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| dmsimard | \o | 18:02 |
| dmsimard | wrong channel :D | 18:02 |
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| clarkb | anyone here for the infra meeting? I understand it is a holiday in some parts but I expect there will be enough of us to meet | 18:59 |
| clarkb | and we have things to talk about | 18:59 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:00 |
| ianw | hello | 19:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | alright lets get started I'm sure more will trickle in as we go | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 1 19:01:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| dmsimard | o\ | 19:01 |
| * fungi trickles | 19:01 | |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| clarkb | The TC election is now complete and we have new members on the TC. Thank you to fungi and the rest of our election officials for running that | 19:02 |
| fungi | those would be diablo_rojo_phon, tonyb and persia | 19:02 |
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| dmsimard | Congrats and thanks to everyone :D | 19:02 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | yes, went smoothly, and our automation and zuul integration for maintaining the elections is improving with each one | 19:03 |
| clarkb | Summit is fast approaching. | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | I think it will be a fun one for infra related topics, hope to see you there | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-24-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
| clarkb | We didn't formally record these as actions but cmurphy pabelanger and mordred have all udpated specs for the future of infra config management | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | we'll talk more about that in a moment, but thank you for getting that together | 19:05 |
| mordred | 3 humans enter, 3 humans leave? | 19:05 |
| pabelanger | :) | 19:05 |
| clarkb | I'm going to mash specs approval and priority efforts together since ^ is the bulk of it | 19:06 |
| fungi | cmurphy has a bit of a head start. i've seen tons of amazing puppet cleanup changes merging | 19:06 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:06 | |
| mordred | fungi: cmurphy also has a bit of a head start due to just generally speaking being awesome | 19:06 |
| cmurphy | :) | 19:06 |
| clarkb | before we walk about config things any storyboard related content we want to go over first? | 19:06 |
| fungi | well, sure | 19:06 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ | 19:06 |
| fungi | the barbican deliverables migrated their task tracking from lp to storyboard on friday | 19:07 |
| fungi | there were also some user guide improvements which landed | 19:07 |
| fungi | and teh octavia team provided the sb maintaniers with an excellent list of feedback, some of which is already addressed by changes which landed recently or are in flight | 19:08 |
| fungi | not much else i'm aware of over the past week on that front | 19:08 |
| clarkb | cool. Any idea fi the slow queries has been looked at yet? | 19:08 |
| fungi | no, i don't think they have | 19:08 |
| mordred | uhoh. there are slow queries? | 19:08 |
| fungi | if someone wants to try to zero in on that, it seems to be related to queries against story tags | 19:09 |
| fungi | automatic boards/worklists are hard hit by it | 19:09 |
| clarkb | mordred: probably a missing index, your favorite thing :) | 19:09 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:09 |
| fungi | oh, and i don't know if i mentioned last week | 19:09 |
| fungi | but the outreachy intern for sb got approved | 19:10 |
| pabelanger | cool | 19:10 |
| clarkb | fungi: when does that start? | 19:10 |
| fungi | so they'll likely be showing up after their semester finals wrap up, i don't remember exactly when | 19:10 |
| * fungi checks the sb meeting minutes | 19:10 | |
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| mordred | fungi, clarkb: well- it seems there are just no relevant indexes on tags at all :) | 19:11 |
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| fungi | see, mordred's already solved it! ;) | 19:11 |
| clarkb | alright anything else before we discuss the config management specs? | 19:11 |
| fungi | meeting log says "early/mid may" | 19:12 |
| fungi | for the intern starting | 19:12 |
| clarkb | cool | 19:12 |
| mordred | woot | 19:12 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-25-19.02.log.html#l-35 | 19:12 |
| fungi | that's all i have | 19:12 |
| clarkb | #topic Modern Config Management | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Modern Config Management (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:12 | |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/449933 Puppet 4 Infra | 19:12 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/469983 Ansible Infra | 19:12 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/565550 Containerized Infra | 19:12 |
| clarkb | we now have specs for the three ideas that were thrown out in the we need to stop using puppet 3 discussion | 19:13 |
| pabelanger | PAC Infra! | 19:13 |
| clarkb | I have not yet had a chance to read through them all, but I think we should all try and take that as a TODO item to start reading them and discussing those options | 19:13 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:13 |
| clarkb | We probably don't need to work out every little detail on all three of them, and instead using the specs as a starting point for making our decision then refine the selected spec(s) from there | 19:14 |
| clarkb | So please everyone if you are interested in this go read the specs, and leave your thoughts. Then as needed we can take specific topics that come up to the mailing list and irc/meeting | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: cmurphy mordred is there anything specific you think epople should look out for? | 19:15 |
| cmurphy | nothing comes to mind | 19:16 |
| mordred | me either | 19:16 |
| pabelanger | also no | 19:17 |
| clarkb | cool, I'll continue on so that we can have more time for reviewing :) thanks again! | 19:17 |
| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:17 | |
| mordred | clarkb: I do think we should answer the config management question before final vote on ianw's 3rd party ci spec - as I think our answer there might color how we want to deal with that | 19:18 |
| clarkb | mordred: noted | 19:18 |
| mordred | maybe I should say that on the review of that spec | 19:18 |
| clarkb | mordred: ++ | 19:18 |
| clarkb | Really quickly before pabelanger's Gerrit host upgrade topic, I wanted to mention that we (mostly corvus) have updated the way zuul handles configuration data itnernally drastically reducing memory consumption and cpu requirements to load configs. THis is great news for zuul users but we've also noticed a couple bugs in config handling. So if you ntoice any weird job behavior please do bring it up | 19:19 |
| ianw | ++ that spec is still WIP, pending such discussions | 19:19 |
| mordred | +100 | 19:19 |
| clarkb | All known bugs with that zuul config update are fixed though | 19:19 |
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| corvus | yeah, we've found 3 brown-paper-bag fixes so far :) | 19:19 |
| pabelanger | Yay for less memory | 19:19 |
| fungi | at least one of those was not actually a regression, just something we hadn't realized was wrong yet, right? | 19:20 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup | 19:20 |
| fungi | (the extra layouts on dependent configuration change series) | 19:20 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ok I think the floor is yours, Gerrit host upgrade time | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | indeed! Mostly wanted to remind people of our replacement of gerrit tomorrow | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | I don't actually expect it to take too long, and directions are at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/review01-xenial-upgrade | 19:21 |
| fungi | #link http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=64792&rra_id=all zuul scheduler memory usage | 19:21 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ok infra-root should probably give those a look over today/early tomorrow so we are comfortable with them | 19:22 |
| corvus | we're at line 21.5? | 19:22 |
| pabelanger | yes | 19:22 |
| fungi | we reviewed those heavily in the context of the -dev server replacement, so hopefully no surprises | 19:22 |
| * corvus is still not used to the new etherpad line numbering system :) | 19:22 | |
| pabelanger | We still need to reduce dns, I can do that either later today or first thing in morning | 19:23 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/review01-xenial-upgrade xenial upgrade for review01.o.o | 19:23 |
| fungi | corvus: yeah, i should check whether the fix for the font sizing/spacing has appeared in a new tag yet | 19:23 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: looks like ist only an hour ttl so anytime between now and an hour or so before the change is probably fine | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | yah | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | only question is around backups, so if somebody can answer that, it would be great | 19:24 |
| clarkb | and do we still have enough rooters around for that? I intend on being here for it (but more recently daughter has picked up a doctor visit at 9am ~4 hours before which should be enough time) | 19:24 |
| corvus | should line 23.5 say "ssh into review.o.o"? | 19:24 |
| fungi | (no new etherpad tags since the font fix merged, btw, just rechecked) | 19:24 |
| * fungi laughs heartily at "line 23.5" | 19:24 | |
| pabelanger | corvus: yes | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | fixing | 19:25 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: re backups you'll need to accept the backup server's host key iirc and if we don't preserve the ssh keypair add the new one to backup server | 19:25 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: the way to confirm they are working (at least what I've done in the past) is to just run it in foreground in screen | 19:25 |
| ianw | pabelanger: yeah, backups needs to be manually updated, i can take action item for that | 19:25 |
| clarkb | ianw: thanks! | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | great | 19:26 |
| corvus | pabelanger: the link on line 52.5 is for review-dev | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | yah, looks like it. let me find correct review | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | looks like link is updated now | 19:30 |
| pabelanger | yah, looks like I never pushed up the new patch | 19:30 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ok so we need a new patch before we are ready? | 19:31 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: no, https://review.openstack.org/565566/ is the correct patch now | 19:31 |
| pabelanger | I just forgot to push it up | 19:32 |
| clarkb | oh gotcha didn't update the etherpad. cool | 19:32 |
| clarkb | oh and it was just pushed got it | 19:32 |
| clarkb | alright anything else we want to go over re review.o.o host upgrade? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: we should remind the release team directly too | 19:33 |
| pabelanger | yah, i can do that today | 19:33 |
| fungi | scheduled start time is 20:00 utc, right? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | fungi: that is what my email client tells me | 19:33 |
| fungi | yeah, seems i already added a reminder for that to my calendar | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | also, should we apt-get update review01.o.o and reboot too? It's been online for almost a month, maybe a good idea to pick up latest kernel before gerrit start running there? | 19:34 |
| mordred | pabelanger: seems reasonable | 19:34 |
| fungi | yeah, you could update and reboot it now | 19:34 |
| fungi | great idea | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | k, I'll do that today | 19:34 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ya lets do that | 19:34 |
| clarkb | then on the old server side maybe we image it then delete the actual server then delete the image after some period? rather than keeping the large instance around for longer? | 19:35 |
| clarkb | that may be a next week task though | 19:35 |
| pabelanger | wfm | 19:35 |
| fungi | well, the rootfs is only 40g | 19:36 |
| fungi | but sure | 19:36 |
| fungi | that matches how i've archived some of our other systems i've taken down | 19:36 |
| clarkb | its a 60gb ram instance though | 19:36 |
| fungi | yeah, but the image size will be determined by the rootfs i think | 19:37 |
| fungi | unless they include the ephemeral disk | 19:37 |
| fungi | (which, yes, is massive at 236g) | 19:37 |
| clarkb | ya snapshot will be small iirc | 19:37 |
| clarkb | alright anything else? otherwise we can have open discussion and maybe end the meeting early | 19:38 |
| pabelanger | should we snapshot before we poweroff and detach volumes? | 19:38 |
| fungi | may also make sense to go through and remove any old snapshots we don't need for stuff we took down ages ago | 19:38 |
| pabelanger | because we poweroff to detach volumes in step 1 | 19:38 |
| clarkb | fungi: ++ | 19:38 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: I don't think you need to | 19:38 |
| fungi | should be able to snapshot the server after it's down | 19:38 |
| pabelanger | great | 19:38 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:38 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | dmsimard: mentions that 0.15rc1 for ara is a thing | 19:40 |
| clarkb | apparently once that release happens we'll want https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558688/ to improve performance of ara as wsgi app | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | noticed a few issues in our gerrit periodic jobs, so pushed up a patch to clean it up: https://review.openstack.org/564506/ that should also be the last place we are using install-distro-package.sh | 19:41 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/564506/ cleanup install-distro-package.sh usage | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | other then that, fedora-28 is released today. Does anybody have a preference if we create a fedora-latest / fedora-stable nodeset? The idea will be to jobs use that, over fedora-28 label to make it a little easy to change out this node every 6 months | 19:42 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: I like that particularly for fedora since there isn't really long term support available | 19:43 |
| pabelanger | then send warning to ML when we swap out the label in ozj | 19:43 |
| fungi | seems reasonable to me | 19:43 |
| clarkb | but I imagine that it changes enough stuff each release that there will be fallout | 19:43 |
| clarkb | others are probably in a better position than me to judge the impact | 19:43 |
| pabelanger | yah, there is always some fallout | 19:44 |
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| pabelanger | but fedora-latest should minimize the amount of zuul.yaml files we need to change | 19:44 |
| fungi | does fedora stop supporting the last release as soon as the new one is available, or is there some overlap? | 19:44 |
| mordred | it's a 9 month cycle isn't it? so three months after new release old release is done? | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | last 2 releases are supported, so fedora-27 / fedora-28 now. However, we usually try to only support latest in openstack-infra | 19:45 |
| clarkb | mordred: one month after release + 2 | 19:45 |
| fungi | are we going to continue to have, say, fedora-27 vs fedora-28 nodes but swap them in a nodeset called fedora-latest? | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | mostly to keep number of images down | 19:45 |
| clarkb | mordred: so roughly every 13 months it goes away | 19:45 |
| mordred | clarkb: ah - neat | 19:45 |
| clarkb | ubuntu is 9 months on non lts | 19:45 |
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| mordred | that's what I was thinking of | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | fungi: no, I'd remove fedora-27 once fedora-latest nodeset is created and jobs updated | 19:45 |
| fungi | and the nodes and images will just be called fedora-latest? | 19:46 |
| clarkb | I think we're doing something similar with suse leap too | 19:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think the nodes will be fedora-28 but the label will be fedora-latest | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | only nodes, we'd still have fedora-28 label, which allows us to bring online fedora-29 in 6 months. Then warning we are switching fedora-latest to fedora-29, then delete fedora-28 image | 19:47 |
| ianw | it would probably be nice if we could pre-verify devstack before switching | 19:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: that way we can transition once we have working images rather than just updating and hoping it works | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | what clarkb said | 19:47 |
| mordred | ianw: should be able to depends-on a devstack patch with the update-fedora-latest patch | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | yah | 19:48 |
| fungi | that's convenient enough, i suppose | 19:49 |
| ianw | yep, just as long as it's a part of the process :) | 19:49 |
| fungi | we can have a brief wip window for that config change and ask people who are concerned about their jobs to test against it via depends-on? | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | still waiting for AFS mirror to catch up on fedora-28 release, then we can test devstack job | 19:49 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: yah, we can document it and send it out to ML during our cut over warning emails | 19:50 |
| fungi | as long as we've given people some opportunity to notice and fix whatever it breaks for their jobs (however brief) that covers my concerns | 19:50 |
| clarkb | maybe also point out common gotchas (if known) | 19:50 |
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| pabelanger | ++ | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | big one in a future release is dropping of python2 | 19:52 |
| clarkb | but fedora isn't there yet | 19:52 |
| clarkb | (I think they said first of 2019 would get that?) | 19:52 |
| * mordred looks forward to further ditching of python2 | 19:52 | |
| clarkb | *first release of 2019 would get that | 19:52 |
| mordred | so next spring | 19:52 |
| * dmsimard is back before the end of the meeting \o/ | 19:53 | |
| dmsimard | to add on top of what clarkb mentioned, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558688/ will increase not only ara's wsgi performance but also os_loganalyze | 19:53 |
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| * mordred hands dmsimard a box of mostly not unhappy wild boars he found | 19:53 | |
| pabelanger | fedora-30 I think is the goal to delete python2 | 19:54 |
| dmsimard | I found that the logstash workers hammer logs.o.o pretty hard and that since there was no wsgi app pool set, it was mostly pegging some poor threads | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | oh, fedora-33 now: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FinalizingFedoraSwitchtoPython3#Phase_3:_Maybe_get_rid_of_Python_2 | 19:54 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: poor apache :/ | 19:54 |
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| mordred | wow. TIL https://github.com/naftaliharris/tauthon | 19:55 |
| fungi | mordred: spring in which hemisphere? ;) | 19:55 |
| mordred | fungi: fair | 19:56 |
| clarkb | alright before we debate the merits of a python2.7 fork I'm calling the meeting :) Thank you everyone! | 19:56 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 1 19:57:06 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-05-01-19.01.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-05-01-19.01.txt | 19:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-05-01-19.01.log.html | 19:57 |
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| oneswig | #stqrtmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Greetings | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_May_1st_2018 | 21:00 |
| oneswig | You there martial? | 21:01 |
| martial | Hi Stig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Seems like the bot is having a nap | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:01 |
| oneswig | How's things martial? | 21:02 |
| martial | things are good, a little crazy with work but I would not be surprised if everybody was in the same boat :) | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Any follow-up from Docker Federal - do you work a lot with Docker? | 21:03 |
| martial | We use Docker a lot but CE | 21:04 |
| martial | a lot of the work there is EE | 21:04 |
| martial | but I will be able to give more details in June when I go to the main DockerCon | 21:04 |
| oneswig | Did you consider Kubecon this week in Copenhagen? | 21:05 |
| martial | did but unable to attend, we are talking about having one of us go to the December one | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | Looks like it's just us for now... | 21:06 |
| martial | strange, maybe it is a quiet week ;) | 21:07 |
| oneswig | I have a suspicion the server might have split and we are on the wrong side from the meetbot | 21:07 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:07 |
| martial | I added a couple entries to the etherpad on item1 | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Hey - hi mrhillsman | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Thanks martial | 21:07 |
| oneswig | #link UC report on Scientific SIG https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-report-queens | 21:08 |
| mrhillsman | just reading that, thx | 21:08 |
| mrhillsman | i suspect a bit more detail to be added, we will be giving report during joint leadership meeting, so really appreciate it | 21:09 |
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| oneswig | Is the report in presentation form, or a document? I seem to remember it's a document. | 21:09 |
| oneswig | In terms of future plans, we tend to decide that at the session at the summit. The last one we didn't get a lot pinned down but a lot of the discussion was on gathering best practice for handling sensitive datasets | 21:11 |
| martial | oh hey "book" :) | 21:11 |
| oneswig | I suspect that went into the previous report as the extended book came out at Sydney. | 21:12 |
| oneswig | mrhillsman: I don't suppose you have a link to the previous report so we could pick up where we left off? | 21:12 |
| martial | mmmh I added Sydney to the report since SC was just adter | 21:12 |
| mrhillsman | we will do a presentation | 21:12 |
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| mrhillsman | urmm...i don | 21:13 |
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| mrhillsman | 't off the top of my head but can look | 21:13 |
| oneswig | no matter - it's not critical if we double-announce that work! | 21:13 |
| oneswig | I do expect we'll have put it into a report for the UC for Sydney though. | 21:14 |
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| martial | yes ... also trying to plan for future events | 21:14 |
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| mrhillsman | found something - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1dsRa35TaqeiSrB-n76pj2jONBnWW_-L1UryEbT1vqNE/edit#slide=id.p14 | 21:15 |
| mrhillsman | or is there another thing you are looking for | 21:15 |
| mrhillsman | ah for sydney, let me look for things | 21:15 |
| mrhillsman | we can check anything mentioned in sydney against that etherpad | 21:16 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 21:16 |
| jmlowe | Getting caught up here | 21:16 |
| oneswig | Hi jmlowe | 21:16 |
| jmlowe | hey | 21:17 |
| martial | Hi Mike | 21:17 |
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| oneswig | Just at the Life of Brian moment of asking, "what did the Scientific SIG ever do for us?" | 21:17 |
| jmlowe | We are doing SIG activities roundup? | 21:18 |
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| oneswig | yes - have you been presenting or participating around and about? | 21:18 |
| martial | yep: UC report on Scientific SIG https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-report-queens | 21:19 |
| jmlowe | We (Jetstream) probably have some "Promoting OpenStack in the Scientific Community" activities we can add | 21:19 |
| oneswig | That would be good to include. | 21:19 |
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| mrhillsman | the other thing also is how can the uc better serve you this next cycle | 21:20 |
| jmlowe | Nearly all of our EOT events probably count | 21:20 |
| oneswig | mrhillsman: I think the options of organising a cross-WG evening social had already been explored, but I'll raise it again given we'd always like to hear what the other folks are doing. Cross-pollination etc. | 21:22 |
| oneswig | (this would be at the summits) | 21:22 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 21:22 |
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| jmlowe | I was trying to nail down my Vancouver schedule a bit, we are not doing a SIG specific social event? | 21:23 |
| oneswig | second idea - we probably ought to pay closer attention to creating content for openstack.org/science - some way of tightening the interaction there would be good. Is that your remit? | 21:23 |
| mrhillsman | no sig specific social scheduled | 21:24 |
| jmlowe | ack | 21:24 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: nothing planned until a suitable volunteer, that is... | 21:24 |
| mrhillsman | i can bring it up though and see what folks think | 21:24 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: what's that shilling in the bottom of your glass? | 21:24 |
| jmlowe | Well, I supposed I could be talked into organizing | 21:24 |
| martial | will have to investigte the science site | 21:25 |
| jmlowe | having not idea what I'm really signing up for | 21:25 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 21:25 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: What happened that time in Austin, that would be perfect. We just need to find a place and book a few tables I guess. | 21:25 |
| jmlowe | I'm a little fuzzy on what happened in Austin | 21:26 |
| oneswig | event sponsors is surplus to requirement if the barbecue and beer are worth every cent. | 21:26 |
| jmlowe | oh, now I remember | 21:26 |
| jmlowe | I believe it took 6 people holding 17 graduate and undergraduate degrees to split the check | 21:27 |
| oneswig | aka the Dining Philosophers? | 21:27 |
| jmlowe | a np complete optimization problem if I've ever seen one | 21:28 |
| oneswig | There were some suggestions of a good bar, involving a view of ducks and seaplanes. The exact details are an exercise to the reader... | 21:28 |
| jmlowe | so maybe a sponsor free pay your own way | 21:29 |
| oneswig | I think we should just gather a few of the core folks and do exactly that. | 21:29 |
| jmlowe | any guesses how many people would attend? | 21:29 |
| oneswig | Austin was ~30, which seemed good. | 21:29 |
| oneswig | What do you think? | 21:30 |
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| jmlowe | I can account for 6, Bob Budden, Jonathan Mills, Jeremy Fischer, Me +1 , another IU guy | 21:30 |
| jmlowe | Let's make it happen | 21:31 |
| jmlowe | Martial, Stig (?) | 21:31 |
| oneswig | I'll be there! + John Garbutt I expect | 21:32 |
| jmlowe | Any AZ presence? | 21:32 |
| * fungi notices that "#stqrtmeeting" is not the same as "#startmeeting" and so did not start your meeting | 21:32 | |
| oneswig | Let's start an Etherpad so nobody is missed | 21:32 |
| oneswig | <arse> did | 21:32 |
| oneswig | did I rewrite that? | 21:32 |
| oneswig | oops... | 21:32 |
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| oneswig | We should probably restart... now it's all making sense | 21:33 |
| jmlowe | yep, so something in the 10-30 seat range | 21:33 |
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| martial | I expect so (being there) | 21:33 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 1 21:33:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:33 |
| oneswig | sorry y'all | 21:33 |
| oneswig | fat fingers | 21:33 |
| oneswig | Thanks fungi | 21:33 |
| fungi | np | 21:33 |
| oneswig | Although how you came by that, I have no idea. | 21:34 |
| oneswig | OK, where were we? | 21:34 |
| fungi | still had the channel up after the infra meeting | 21:34 |
| martial | still on topic 1 :) | 21:34 |
| martial | (that said, I must go, will join on my phone) | 21:34 |
| fungi | and noticed you seemed to be conducting a meeting with the channel topic still at its (idle) default ;) | 21:34 |
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| oneswig | omniscience, it's the only rational explanation... | 21:35 |
| b1airo | Oh good, so I'm not late :-D | 21:35 |
| oneswig | Morning b1airo | 21:35 |
| oneswig | technically we only just got started as earlier I stqrted the meeting instead of starting it. | 21:36 |
| * oneswig is in fine form tonight | 21:36 | |
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| b1airo | Heh | 21:36 |
| oneswig | b1airo: only points of note were an etherpad to gather activities (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-report-queens) and jmlowe has offered to help book us an evening out for some beer and (perchance) a barbecue in Vancouver. Similar sort of informal deal to the one in Austin | 21:38 |
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| b1airo | Oh, awesome. Thanks jmlowe | 21:38 |
| oneswig | seconded :-) | 21:38 |
| jmlowe | I'll take a crack at it | 21:38 |
| oneswig | #topic Scientific OpenStack Constellations | 21:38 |
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| oneswig | A constellation is a concept being worked on in the TC of a working collection of OpenStack services for meeting a particular use case | 21:39 |
| oneswig | eg, containerised workloads or scientific compute | 21:39 |
| oneswig | Generalisations are not easy across the broad range of what SIG members do | 21:40 |
| oneswig | However, johnthetubaguy has made a bold start for the scientific use case based on our experiences over here. | 21:41 |
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| oneswig | #link scientific constellation - wip https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565466/ | 21:41 |
| b1airo | oneswig: reminder we also need to report back to the UC | 21:41 |
| b1airo | Yeah I like John's drafting, reviewed it last night after seeing the ML thread | 21:42 |
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| oneswig | thanks b1airo, sure that will help | 21:42 |
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| jmlowe | So if I understand this correctly I have a group wanting to host their science gateways on kubernetes, so magnum, barbican, nova, neutron, lbaasv2, octavia, cinder, glance, keystone would be that constellation | 21:42 |
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| oneswig | jmlowe: I think so, plus some of the glue to make the whole thing coherent. | 21:43 |
| b1airo | Kayobe? :-) | 21:43 |
| oneswig | Certainly a possibility! I've got something in mind to set up something like third-party CI for a couple of constellation deployments, as a summer student project, to ensure they stay valid. It's a snapshot otherwise. | 21:45 |
| oneswig | It's a star like any other now - https://github.com/openstack/kayobe | 21:46 |
| b1airo | Boom tish! | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | absolutely! Mark's done a stellar job on it. | 21:47 |
| oneswig | (no pun intended0 | 21:47 |
| b1airo | Sorry, I might be manically tired - pulled a late one | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | No problem. We don't have a lot to cover left over. | 21:48 |
| oneswig | #topic Ironic RFE specs update | 21:49 |
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| oneswig | I checked on these two but I don't think there is anything new to report as of this morning. No matter. | 21:49 |
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| oneswig | I'm hoping to help the specs through some early iterations, in due course. | 21:50 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 21:51 |
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| oneswig | Over here I'm hoping to wrap up the Ceph RDMA investigations I've been doing recently. One of our systems got an overhaul and it appears this turned off the controlling of cstates. | 21:52 |
| oneswig | Even with rados bench working it as hard as possible, the cores are only 10% in C0 and the rest of the time will be revving up and down to C6. | 21:52 |
| b1airo | Cstates or Pstates? | 21:52 |
| b1airo | Ah right | 21:52 |
| oneswig | That's not ideal for a Ceph server | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | (at least not when it's performance is being measured) | 21:53 |
| b1airo | Yeah, see a post from me a couple of years back showing this impact on a buggy tuned throughout-performance profile | 21:53 |
| martial_ | Metro with a company that does fpga on ssd | 21:54 |
| oneswig | So I have some low-hanging fruit to gather on that. But the RDMA work continues to get interesting, I'm still working on it. | 21:54 |
| b1airo | latency-performance was over 30% better | 21:54 |
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| martial_ | Wonder if it could be useful in this case | 21:54 |
| oneswig | Thanks b1airo, noted. | 21:54 |
| b1airo | Also an interesting thread about Pstates on Skylake just started yesterday | 21:55 |
| oneswig | martial_: FPGA on SSD? Interesting combination. Recent graphs I've seen of Crosspoint suggest it would go nicely in that mode. | 21:55 |
| oneswig | b1airo: on the OpenStack ML? | 21:55 |
| b1airo | Ceph users list | 21:56 |
| martial_ | P | 21:56 |
| b1airo | Wido | 21:56 |
| martial_ | I can try to get them to talk to us if interested | 21:56 |
| martial_ | I think they were at sc17 | 21:57 |
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| oneswig | #link Ceph-users and frequency scaling http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-May/026327.html | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Looks interesting b1airo, I'll follow it through | 21:59 |
| oneswig | martial_: Think that might be a good discussion - but I'm not sure who their customers might be | 22:00 |
| oneswig | They can be the judge of that I guess! | 22:00 |
| oneswig | Time's up, thanks all | 22:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 1 22:00:46 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-05-01-21.33.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-05-01-21.33.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-05-01-21.33.log.html | 22:00 |
| martial_ | Think Hadoop:) | 22:01 |
| b1airo | Cheers guys, apologies for being tardy | 22:01 |
| martial_ | See you 🙂 | 22:02 |
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