Tuesday, 2018-05-01

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lkwan__masakari meeting?04:02
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dmsimardwrong channel :D18:02
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clarkbanyone here for the infra meeting? I understand it is a holiday in some parts but I expect there will be enough of us to meet18:59
clarkband we have things to talk about18:59
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clarkbalright lets get started I'm sure more will trickle in as we go19:01
clarkb#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue May  1 19:01:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:01
* fungi trickles19:01
clarkb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:01
clarkb#topic Announcements19:01
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clarkbThe TC election is now complete and we have new members on the TC. Thank you to fungi and the rest of our election officials for running that19:02
fungithose would be diablo_rojo_phon, tonyb and persia19:02
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dmsimardCongrats and thanks to everyone :D19:02
fungiyes, went smoothly, and our automation and zuul integration for maintaining the elections is improving with each one19:03
clarkbSummit is fast approaching.19:03
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clarkbI think it will be a fun one for infra related topics, hope to see you there19:04
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clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:04
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clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-24-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting19:04
clarkbWe didn't formally record these as actions but cmurphy pabelanger and mordred have all udpated specs for the future of infra config management19:05
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clarkbwe'll talk more about that in a moment, but thank you for getting that together19:05
mordred3 humans enter, 3 humans leave?19:05
clarkbI'm going to mash specs approval and priority efforts together since ^ is the bulk of it19:06
fungicmurphy has a bit of a head start. i've seen tons of amazing puppet cleanup changes merging19:06
clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:06
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mordredfungi: cmurphy also has a bit of a head start due to just generally speaking being awesome19:06
clarkbbefore we walk about config things any storyboard related content we want to go over first?19:06
fungiwell, sure19:06
clarkbfungi: ^19:06
fungithe barbican deliverables migrated their task tracking from lp to storyboard on friday19:07
fungithere were also some user guide improvements which landed19:07
fungiand teh octavia team provided the sb maintaniers with an excellent list of feedback, some of which is already addressed by changes which landed recently or are in flight19:08
funginot much else i'm aware of over the past week on that front19:08
clarkbcool. Any idea fi the slow queries has been looked at yet?19:08
fungino, i don't think they have19:08
mordreduhoh. there are slow queries?19:08
fungiif someone wants to try to zero in on that, it seems to be related to queries against story tags19:09
fungiautomatic boards/worklists are hard hit by it19:09
clarkbmordred: probably a missing index, your favorite thing :)19:09
fungioh, and i don't know if i mentioned last week19:09
fungibut the outreachy intern for sb got approved19:10
clarkbfungi: when does that start?19:10
fungiso they'll likely be showing up after their semester finals wrap up, i don't remember exactly when19:10
* fungi checks the sb meeting minutes19:10
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mordredfungi, clarkb: well- it seems there are just no relevant indexes on tags at all :)19:11
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fungisee, mordred's already solved it! ;)19:11
clarkbalright anything else before we discuss the config management specs?19:11
fungimeeting log says "early/mid may"19:12
fungifor the intern starting19:12
fungi#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-25-19.02.log.html#l-3519:12
fungithat's all i have19:12
clarkb#topic Modern Config Management19:12
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clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/449933 Puppet 4 Infra19:12
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/469983 Ansible Infra19:12
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/565550 Containerized Infra19:12
clarkbwe now have specs for the three ideas that were thrown out in the we need to stop using puppet 3 discussion19:13
pabelangerPAC Infra!19:13
clarkbI have not yet had a chance to read through them all, but I think we should all try and take that as a TODO item to start reading them and discussing those options19:13
clarkbWe probably don't need to work out every little detail on all three of them, and instead using the specs as a starting point for making our decision then refine the selected spec(s) from there19:14
clarkbSo please everyone if you are interested in this go read the specs, and leave your thoughts. Then as needed we can take specific topics that come up to the mailing list and irc/meeting19:15
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clarkbpabelanger: cmurphy mordred is there anything specific you think epople should look out for?19:15
cmurphynothing comes to mind19:16
mordredme either19:16
pabelangeralso no19:17
clarkbcool, I'll continue on so that we can have more time for reviewing :) thanks again!19:17
clarkb#topic General Topics19:17
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mordredclarkb: I do think we should answer the config management question before final vote on ianw's 3rd party ci spec - as I think our answer there might color how we want to deal with that19:18
clarkbmordred: noted19:18
mordredmaybe I should say that on the review of that spec19:18
clarkbmordred: ++19:18
clarkbReally quickly before pabelanger's Gerrit host upgrade topic, I wanted to mention that we (mostly corvus) have updated the way zuul handles configuration data itnernally drastically reducing memory consumption and cpu requirements to load configs. THis is great news for zuul users but we've also noticed a couple bugs in config handling. So if you ntoice any weird job behavior please do bring it up19:19
ianw++ that spec is still WIP, pending such discussions19:19
clarkbAll known bugs with that zuul config update are fixed though19:19
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corvusyeah, we've found 3 brown-paper-bag fixes so far :)19:19
pabelangerYay for less memory19:19
fungiat least one of those was not actually a regression, just something we hadn't realized was wrong yet, right?19:20
clarkbfungi: yup19:20
fungi(the extra layouts on dependent configuration change series)19:20
clarkbpabelanger: ok I think the floor is yours, Gerrit host upgrade time19:20
pabelangerindeed! Mostly wanted to remind people of our replacement of gerrit tomorrow19:21
pabelangerI don't actually expect it to take too long, and directions are at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/review01-xenial-upgrade19:21
fungi#link http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=64792&rra_id=all zuul scheduler memory usage19:21
clarkbpabelanger: ok infra-root should probably give those a look over today/early tomorrow so we are comfortable with them19:22
corvuswe're at line 21.5?19:22
fungiwe reviewed those heavily in the context of the -dev server replacement, so hopefully no surprises19:22
* corvus is still not used to the new etherpad line numbering system :)19:22
pabelangerWe still need to reduce dns, I can do that either later today or first thing in morning19:23
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/review01-xenial-upgrade xenial upgrade for review01.o.o19:23
fungicorvus: yeah, i should check whether the fix for the font sizing/spacing has appeared in a new tag yet19:23
clarkbpabelanger: looks like ist only an hour ttl so anytime between now and an hour or so before the change is probably fine19:23
pabelangeronly question is around backups, so if somebody can answer that, it would be great19:24
clarkband do we still have enough rooters around for that? I intend on being here for it (but more recently daughter has picked up a doctor visit at 9am ~4 hours before which should be enough time)19:24
corvusshould line 23.5 say "ssh into review.o.o"?19:24
fungi(no new etherpad tags since the font fix merged, btw, just rechecked)19:24
* fungi laughs heartily at "line 23.5"19:24
pabelangercorvus: yes19:24
clarkbpabelanger: re backups you'll need to accept the backup server's host key iirc and if we don't preserve the ssh keypair add the new one to backup server19:25
clarkbpabelanger: the way to confirm they are working (at least what I've done in the past) is to just run it in foreground in screen19:25
ianwpabelanger: yeah, backups needs to be manually updated, i can take action item for that19:25
clarkbianw: thanks!19:25
corvuspabelanger: the link on line 52.5 is for review-dev19:26
pabelangeryah, looks like it. let me find correct review19:26
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clarkblooks like link is updated now19:30
pabelangeryah, looks like I never pushed up the new patch19:30
clarkbpabelanger: ok so we need a new patch before we are ready?19:31
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pabelangerclarkb: no, https://review.openstack.org/565566/ is the correct patch now19:31
pabelangerI just forgot to push it up19:32
clarkboh gotcha didn't update the etherpad. cool19:32
clarkboh and it was just pushed got it19:32
clarkbalright anything else we want to go over re review.o.o host upgrade?19:32
clarkbpabelanger: we should remind the release team directly too19:33
pabelangeryah, i can do that today19:33
fungischeduled start time is 20:00 utc, right?19:33
clarkbfungi: that is what my email client tells me19:33
fungiyeah, seems i already added a reminder for that to my calendar19:34
pabelangeralso, should we apt-get update review01.o.o and reboot too? It's been online for almost a month, maybe a good idea to pick up latest kernel before gerrit start running there?19:34
mordredpabelanger: seems reasonable19:34
fungiyeah, you could update and reboot it now19:34
fungigreat idea19:34
pabelangerk, I'll do that today19:34
clarkbpabelanger: ya lets do that19:34
clarkbthen on the old server side maybe we image it then delete the actual server then delete the image after some period? rather than keeping the large instance around for longer?19:35
clarkbthat may be a next week task though19:35
fungiwell, the rootfs is only 40g19:36
fungibut sure19:36
fungithat matches how i've archived some of our other systems i've taken down19:36
clarkbits a 60gb ram instance though19:36
fungiyeah, but the image size will be determined by the rootfs i think19:37
fungiunless they include the ephemeral disk19:37
fungi(which, yes, is massive at 236g)19:37
clarkbya snapshot will be small iirc19:37
clarkbalright anything else? otherwise we can have open discussion and maybe end the meeting early19:38
pabelangershould we snapshot before we poweroff and detach volumes?19:38
fungimay also make sense to go through and remove any old snapshots we don't need for stuff we took down ages ago19:38
pabelangerbecause we poweroff to detach volumes in step 119:38
clarkbfungi: ++19:38
clarkbpabelanger: I don't think you need to19:38
fungishould be able to snapshot the server after it's down19:38
clarkb#topic Open Discussion19:39
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clarkbdmsimard: mentions that 0.15rc1 for ara is a thing19:40
clarkbapparently once that release happens we'll want https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558688/ to improve performance of ara as wsgi app19:40
pabelangernoticed a few issues in our gerrit periodic jobs, so pushed up a patch to clean it up: https://review.openstack.org/564506/ that should also be the last place we are using install-distro-package.sh19:41
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/564506/ cleanup install-distro-package.sh usage19:42
pabelangerother then that, fedora-28 is released today. Does anybody have a preference if we create a fedora-latest / fedora-stable nodeset? The idea will be to jobs use that, over fedora-28 label to make it a little easy to change out this node every 6 months19:42
clarkbpabelanger: I like that particularly for fedora since there isn't really long term support available19:43
pabelangerthen send warning to ML when we swap out the label in ozj19:43
fungiseems reasonable to me19:43
clarkbbut I imagine that it changes enough stuff each release that there will be fallout19:43
clarkbothers are probably in a better position than me to judge the impact19:43
pabelangeryah, there is always some fallout19:44
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pabelangerbut fedora-latest should minimize the amount of zuul.yaml files we need to change19:44
fungidoes fedora stop supporting the last release as soon as the new one is available, or is there some overlap?19:44
mordredit's a 9 month cycle isn't it? so three months after new release old release is done?19:44
pabelangerlast 2 releases are supported, so fedora-27 / fedora-28 now. However, we usually try to only support latest in openstack-infra19:45
clarkbmordred: one month after release + 219:45
fungiare we going to continue to have, say, fedora-27 vs fedora-28 nodes but swap them in a nodeset called fedora-latest?19:45
pabelangermostly to keep number of images down19:45
clarkbmordred: so roughly every 13 months it goes away19:45
mordredclarkb: ah - neat19:45
clarkbubuntu is 9 months on non lts19:45
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mordredthat's what I was thinking of19:45
pabelangerfungi: no, I'd remove fedora-27 once fedora-latest nodeset is created and jobs updated19:45
fungiand the nodes and images will just be called fedora-latest?19:46
clarkbI think we're doing something similar with suse leap too19:46
clarkbfungi: I think the nodes will be fedora-28 but the label will be fedora-latest19:46
pabelangeronly nodes, we'd still have fedora-28 label, which allows us to bring online fedora-29 in 6 months. Then warning we are switching fedora-latest to fedora-29, then delete fedora-28 image19:47
ianwit would probably be nice if we could pre-verify devstack before switching19:47
clarkbfungi: that way we can transition once we have working images rather than just updating and hoping it works19:47
pabelangerwhat clarkb said19:47
mordredianw: should be able to depends-on a devstack patch with the update-fedora-latest patch19:47
fungithat's convenient enough, i suppose19:49
ianwyep, just as long as it's a part of the process :)19:49
fungiwe can have a brief wip window for that config change and ask people who are concerned about their jobs to test against it via depends-on?19:49
pabelangerstill waiting for AFS mirror to catch up on fedora-28 release, then we can test devstack job19:49
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pabelangerfungi: yah, we can document it and send it out to ML during our cut over warning emails19:50
fungias long as we've given people some opportunity to notice and fix whatever it breaks for their jobs (however brief) that covers my concerns19:50
clarkbmaybe also point out common gotchas (if known)19:50
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clarkbbig one in a future release is dropping of python219:52
clarkbbut fedora isn't there yet19:52
clarkb(I think they said first of 2019 would get that?)19:52
* mordred looks forward to further ditching of python219:52
clarkb*first release of 2019 would get that19:52
mordredso next spring19:52
* dmsimard is back before the end of the meeting \o/19:53
dmsimardto add on top of what clarkb mentioned, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558688/ will increase not only ara's wsgi performance but also os_loganalyze19:53
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pabelangerfedora-30 I think is the goal to delete python219:54
dmsimardI found that the logstash workers hammer logs.o.o pretty hard and that since there was no wsgi app pool set, it was mostly pegging some poor threads19:54
pabelangeroh, fedora-33 now: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FinalizingFedoraSwitchtoPython3#Phase_3:_Maybe_get_rid_of_Python_219:54
clarkbdmsimard: poor apache :/19:54
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mordredwow. TIL https://github.com/naftaliharris/tauthon19:55
fungimordred: spring in which hemisphere? ;)19:55
mordredfungi: fair19:56
clarkbalright before we debate the merits of a python2.7 fork I'm calling the meeting :) Thank you everyone!19:56
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oneswig#stqrtmeeting scientific-sig21:00
oneswig#link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_May_1st_201821:00
oneswigYou there martial?21:01
martialHi Stig21:01
oneswigSeems like the bot is having a nap21:01
oneswig#chair martial21:01
oneswigHow's things martial?21:02
martialthings are good, a little crazy with work but I would not be surprised if everybody was in the same boat :)21:02
oneswigAny follow-up from Docker Federal - do you work a lot with Docker?21:03
martialWe use Docker a lot but CE21:04
martiala lot of the work there is EE21:04
martialbut I will be able to give more details in June when I go to the main DockerCon21:04
oneswigDid you consider Kubecon this week in Copenhagen?21:05
martialdid but unable to attend, we are talking about having one of us go to the December one21:05
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oneswigLooks like it's just us for now...21:06
martialstrange, maybe it is a quiet week ;)21:07
oneswigI have a suspicion the server might have split and we are on the wrong side from the meetbot21:07
martialI added a couple entries to the etherpad on item121:07
oneswigHey - hi mrhillsman21:07
oneswigThanks martial21:07
oneswig#link UC report on Scientific SIG https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-report-queens21:08
mrhillsmanjust reading that, thx21:08
mrhillsmani suspect a bit more detail to be added, we will be giving report during joint leadership meeting, so really appreciate it21:09
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oneswigIs the report in presentation form, or a document? I seem to remember it's a document.21:09
oneswigIn terms of future plans, we tend to decide that at the session at the summit.  The last one we didn't get a lot pinned down but a lot of the discussion was on gathering best practice for handling sensitive datasets21:11
martialoh hey "book" :)21:11
oneswigI suspect that went into the previous report as the extended book came out at Sydney.21:12
oneswigmrhillsman: I don't suppose you have a link to the previous report so we could pick up where we left off?21:12
martialmmmh I added Sydney to the report since SC was just adter21:12
mrhillsmanwe will do a presentation21:12
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mrhillsmanurmm...i don21:13
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mrhillsman't off the top of my head but can look21:13
oneswigno matter - it's not critical if we double-announce that work!21:13
oneswigI do expect we'll have put it into a report for the UC for Sydney though.21:14
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martialyes ... also trying to plan for future events21:14
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mrhillsmanfound something - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1dsRa35TaqeiSrB-n76pj2jONBnWW_-L1UryEbT1vqNE/edit#slide=id.p1421:15
mrhillsmanor is there another thing you are looking for21:15
mrhillsmanah for sydney, let me look for things21:15
mrhillsmanwe can check anything mentioned in sydney against that etherpad21:16
jmloweGetting caught up here21:16
oneswigHi jmlowe21:16
martialHi Mike21:17
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oneswigJust at the Life of Brian moment of asking, "what did the Scientific SIG ever do for us?"21:17
jmloweWe are doing SIG activities roundup?21:18
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oneswigyes - have you been presenting or participating around and about?21:18
martialyep: UC report on Scientific SIG https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-report-queens21:19
jmloweWe (Jetstream) probably have some "Promoting OpenStack in the Scientific Community" activities we can add21:19
oneswigThat would be good to include.21:19
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mrhillsmanthe other thing also is how can the uc better serve you this next cycle21:20
jmloweNearly all of our EOT events probably count21:20
oneswigmrhillsman: I think the options of organising a cross-WG evening social had already been explored, but I'll raise it again given we'd always like to hear what the other folks are doing.  Cross-pollination etc.21:22
oneswig(this would be at the summits)21:22
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jmloweI was trying to nail down my Vancouver schedule a bit, we are not doing a SIG specific social event?21:23
oneswigsecond idea - we probably ought to pay closer attention to creating content for openstack.org/science - some way of tightening the interaction there would be good.  Is that your remit?21:23
mrhillsmanno sig specific social scheduled21:24
oneswigjmlowe: nothing planned until a suitable volunteer, that is...21:24
mrhillsmani can bring it up though and see what folks think21:24
oneswigjmlowe: what's that shilling in the bottom of your glass?21:24
jmloweWell, I supposed I could be talked into organizing21:24
martialwill have to investigte the science site21:25
jmlowehaving not idea what I'm really signing up for21:25
oneswigjmlowe: What happened that time in Austin, that would be perfect.  We just need to find a place and book a few tables I guess.21:25
jmloweI'm a little fuzzy on what happened in Austin21:26
oneswigevent sponsors is surplus to requirement if the barbecue and beer are worth every cent.21:26
jmloweoh, now I remember21:26
jmloweI believe it took 6 people holding 17 graduate and undergraduate degrees to split the check21:27
oneswigaka the Dining Philosophers?21:27
jmlowea np complete optimization problem if I've ever seen one21:28
oneswigThere were some suggestions of a good bar, involving a view of ducks and seaplanes.  The exact details are an exercise to the reader...21:28
jmloweso maybe a sponsor free pay your own way21:29
oneswigI think we should just gather a few of the core folks and do exactly that.21:29
jmloweany guesses how many people would attend?21:29
oneswigAustin was ~30, which seemed good.21:29
oneswigWhat do you think?21:30
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jmloweI can account for 6, Bob Budden, Jonathan Mills, Jeremy Fischer, Me +1 , another IU guy21:30
jmloweLet's make it happen21:31
jmloweMartial, Stig (?)21:31
oneswigI'll be there!  + John Garbutt I expect21:32
jmloweAny AZ presence?21:32
* fungi notices that "#stqrtmeeting" is not the same as "#startmeeting" and so did not start your meeting21:32
oneswigLet's start an Etherpad so nobody is missed21:32
oneswig<arse> did21:32
oneswigdid I rewrite that?21:32
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oneswigWe should probably restart... now it's all making sense21:33
jmloweyep, so something in the 10-30 seat range21:33
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martialI expect so (being there)21:33
oneswig#startmeeting scientific-sig21:33
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oneswigsorry y'all21:33
oneswigfat fingers21:33
oneswigThanks fungi21:33
oneswigAlthough how you came by that, I have no idea.21:34
oneswigOK, where were we?21:34
fungistill had the channel up after the infra meeting21:34
martialstill on topic 1 :)21:34
martial(that said, I must go, will join on my phone)21:34
fungiand noticed you seemed to be conducting a meeting with the channel topic still at its (idle) default ;)21:34
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oneswigomniscience, it's the only rational explanation...21:35
b1airoOh good, so I'm not late :-D21:35
oneswigMorning b1airo21:35
oneswigtechnically we only just got started as earlier I stqrted the meeting instead of starting it.21:36
* oneswig is in fine form tonight21:36
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oneswigb1airo: only points of note were an etherpad to gather activities (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-report-queens) and jmlowe has offered to help book us an evening out for some beer and (perchance) a barbecue in Vancouver.  Similar sort of informal deal to the one in Austin21:38
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b1airoOh, awesome. Thanks jmlowe21:38
oneswigseconded :-)21:38
jmloweI'll take a crack at it21:38
oneswig#topic Scientific OpenStack Constellations21:38
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oneswigA constellation is a concept being worked on in the TC of a working collection of OpenStack services for meeting a particular use case21:39
oneswigeg, containerised workloads or scientific compute21:39
oneswigGeneralisations are not easy across the broad range of what SIG members do21:40
oneswigHowever, johnthetubaguy has made a bold start for the scientific use case based on our experiences over here.21:41
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oneswig#link scientific constellation - wip https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565466/21:41
b1airooneswig: reminder we also need to report back to the UC21:41
b1airoYeah I like John's drafting, reviewed it last night after seeing the ML thread21:42
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oneswigthanks b1airo, sure that will help21:42
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jmloweSo if I understand this correctly I have a group wanting to host their science gateways on kubernetes, so magnum, barbican, nova, neutron, lbaasv2, octavia, cinder, glance, keystone would be that constellation21:42
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oneswigjmlowe: I think so, plus some of the glue to make the whole thing coherent.21:43
b1airoKayobe? :-)21:43
oneswigCertainly a possibility!  I've got something in mind to set up something like third-party CI for a couple of constellation deployments, as a summer student project, to ensure they stay valid. It's a snapshot otherwise.21:45
oneswigIt's a star like any other now - https://github.com/openstack/kayobe21:46
b1airoBoom tish!21:47
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oneswigabsolutely!  Mark's done a stellar job on it.21:47
oneswig(no pun intended021:47
b1airoSorry, I might be manically tired - pulled a late one21:47
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oneswigNo problem.  We don't have a lot to cover left over.21:48
oneswig#topic Ironic RFE specs update21:49
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oneswigI checked on these two but I don't think there is anything new to report as of this morning.  No matter.21:49
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oneswigI'm hoping to help the specs through some early iterations, in due course.21:50
oneswig#topic AOB21:51
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oneswigOver here I'm hoping to wrap up the Ceph RDMA investigations I've been doing recently.  One of our systems got an overhaul and it appears this turned off the controlling of cstates.21:52
oneswigEven with rados bench working it as hard as possible, the cores are only 10% in C0 and the rest of the time will be revving up and down to C6.21:52
b1airoCstates or Pstates?21:52
b1airoAh right21:52
oneswigThat's not ideal for a Ceph server21:53
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oneswig(at least not when it's performance is being measured)21:53
b1airoYeah, see a post from me a couple of years back showing this impact on a buggy tuned throughout-performance profile21:53
martial_Metro with a company that does fpga on ssd21:54
oneswigSo I have some low-hanging fruit to gather on that.  But the RDMA work continues to get interesting, I'm still working on it.21:54
b1airolatency-performance was over 30% better21:54
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martial_Wonder if it could be useful in this case21:54
oneswigThanks b1airo, noted.21:54
b1airoAlso an interesting thread about Pstates on Skylake just started yesterday21:55
oneswigmartial_: FPGA on SSD?  Interesting combination.  Recent graphs I've seen of Crosspoint suggest it would go nicely in that mode.21:55
oneswigb1airo: on the OpenStack ML?21:55
b1airoCeph users list21:56
martial_I can try to get them to talk to us if interested21:56
martial_I think they were at sc1721:57
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oneswig#link Ceph-users and frequency scaling http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-May/026327.html21:59
oneswigLooks interesting b1airo, I'll follow it through21:59
oneswigmartial_: Think that might be a good discussion - but I'm not sure who their customers might be22:00
oneswigThey can be the judge of that I guess!22:00
oneswigTime's up, thanks all22:00
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martial_Think Hadoop:)22:01
b1airoCheers guys, apologies for being tardy22:01
martial_See you 🙂22:02
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