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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 2 16:00:48 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | courtesy ping jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 16:01 |
| _alastor_ | \o | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:01 |
| hamdyk | hi | 16:01 |
| xyang | Hi | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Long time no see! | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:02 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (✧∇✧)╯ | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
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| * jgriffith :) | 16:02 | |
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| * smcginnis is conferencing | 16:02 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is that a thing? | 16:03 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:03 |
| Swanson | This is the jgriffith microversion that does the meeting. You juts needed to specify it. | 16:03 |
| Swanson | just, even | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: ha! Yep, now you're getting it! | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. We don't have much on the agenda so lets get started and see what happens. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| jgriffith | Get/jgriffith/version=59998.45.33 | 16:04 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:04 |
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| ganso | hello | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Congratulations to smcginnis on being re-elected to the TC. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | And congrats to all elected. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | For those that didn't see the e-mail the price increase for the PTG has been extended to 5/18. Register early to avoid having to pay an extra $200. | 16:05 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: thanks for the reminder! | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | I think that is all I had for announcements. I feel like there was something else I wanted share but can't remember what it was. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Rocky Priorities review: | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky Priorities review: (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:07 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | I got caught up on reviews this week. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I think we have most of the specs we were hoping to get in place for Rocky reviewed. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Any progress on the 'Update attachments on replication failover' topic? | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | ummm.... | 16:09 |
| * jgriffith looks away | 16:09 | |
| jungleboyj | :-) Guessing that is a no. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | You're correct, that's Nova work but I didn't take it and I don't know where it ended up | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | will look into it | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | but I suspect it is not happening for R | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok. Would appreciate that. Yeah, guessing that as well. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Let me know if you find anything out. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: affirmative | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone have anything else to cover on this topic? | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Friendly reminder to spend time on the reviews in here if you are looking for things to review. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Moving on. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Check-in on HA development progress. | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Check-in on HA development progress. (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:14 | |
| jungleboyj | Is geguileo here? | 16:14 |
| * jungleboyj hears crickets | 16:14 | |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So the last thing is hamdyk 's weekly ping. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | #topic NVMeOF cinder backend | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NVMeOF cinder backend (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:15 | |
| jungleboyj | I think we are getting good progress reviewing the code. | 16:16 |
| hamdyk | hi everyone | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | hamdyk: Anything in particular ? | 16:16 |
| e0ne | hamdyk: I thing we're almost ready to merge it. you just need to address few more comments | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: ++ | 16:16 |
| hamdyk | I just want to say that we are working on enhancing nvmetcli to add dump json and some extra functions | 16:16 |
| hamdyk | I'm working on the comments | 16:17 |
| hamdyk | all clear, will push code soon | 16:17 |
| hamdyk | that's it for my side | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Sounds good. Thanks for addressing the comments. | 16:18 |
| hamdyk | NP | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion ... | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion ... (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:18 | |
| jungleboyj | Any other topics that we want to bring up? | 16:19 |
| Swanson | Um, so how are driverfixes and old stable branches rolled into vendor releases? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: :-) Was about to ping you. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ^^ | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: that depends on the vendor | 16:20 |
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| Swanson | Do I need to poke people if I'm concerned about a patch? Do they just pick it up? Are those branches just dead to them and what is out is what is out and do better next time? | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Would you say it is the backend developer's job to push vendors to pick up fixes? | 16:21 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj, eharney after last discussion during weekly meeting, I use 'RESKEY' as the prefix of type's reserved extra spec key. | 16:21 |
| tommylikehu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552243 | 16:21 |
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| e0ne | Swanson: from our side, we use stable/* branches and backport patches from driverfixes/* per custoemr requests | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: Swanson that's the last step of that process that we don't really control | 16:22 |
| tommylikehu | need to confirm that is the right direction | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | Redhat is the only representation from a distro that exhibited interest/desire to work in that model | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | and I don't know exactly how they're managing it, I suspect for now it's an adhoc process for dealing with reported issues from customers | 16:22 |
| Swanson | e0ne, Who you with? | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | Other than that they all continue to follow the existing stable branch policies | 16:23 |
| e0ne | Swanson: I'm talking about Mirantis distro | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | Theyr'e not going to willie nillie just integrate said repo into their release that I know of | 16:23 |
| Swanson | Ah! Thanks. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: +1 | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: I will take a look. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | That's how I envisioned the model working | 16:24 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: ok | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: So the vendors are going to take the fixes they need from the stable branches. | 16:24 |
| Swanson | The net of this is that if we really want something out we probably need to open a defect in the assorted vendors bugly stuff? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: no | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Ok ... | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | so distros do like they always have, pull from stable periodically and update | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, ok. | 16:25 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:25 |
| e0ne | that's how we do | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | the driver-fixes repo is specifically if they have a customer report an issue and they want to try and address it | 16:25 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Then they can use the driver-fixes repo to try and do that | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | BUT | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | if your driver fix changes more than just the driver file itself you're likely SOL anyway | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Right. | 16:26 |
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| Swanson | So I only need to do this going back to newton or mikata if I push to that. Anything after that that is in a stable release so I'm golden. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | All of this being stated with the caveat that I don't manage the distros so I could be wrong on some things | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: or if you're like me, you don't bother | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | We aren't doing driverfixes from Ocata on though. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: if a customer reports the issue and needs a fix then you work with the distro to solve it | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: it really depends on the distro and the issue | 16:27 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, In this case I've solved the issue and I would like it available before the customer hits it. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: yeah, that's not going to happen outside of stable | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | Unless you go the out of tree driver route and ask your customers to load your special version | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | But then the distros are not going to be happy with you | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:28 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, so, in that case I presume I would want to open the defect with the vendors. | 16:28 |
| Swanson | I presume. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: That makes sense. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: hmm... yeah, that might work | 16:29 |
| Swanson | Worse thing is they tell me to pound sand. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | And take more interest when the customer sees it? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Right, but at least you tried, and there's a public record out there for your customers to stumble across | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | At least there will have already been a bug on it. | 16:30 |
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| Swanson | jungleboyj, that, too. Behind encasement is an important consideration. | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) Anything more on that topic? | 16:31 |
| Swanson | I'm good. Thanks! | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Cool. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone else have topics to cover? | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | That sounds like a no. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | So, we can wrap today's meeting up early. | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone for joining today. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks for working on Cinder. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 2 16:34:44 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-05-02-16.00.html | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-05-02-16.00.txt | 16:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-05-02-16.00.log.html | 16:34 |
| e0ne | see you next week! | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Sounds good. | 16:36 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:36 |
| hamdyk | thank you | 16:37 |
| hamdyk | have a nice day guys | 16:37 |
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| fungi | according to the brief exchange in #openstack-storyboard, looks like no meeting this week | 19:02 |
| fungi | but find us in there if you need something | 19:02 |
| SotK | s/openstack-// :) | 19:02 |
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| fungi | hurr... yes! #storyboard | 19:09 |
| fungi | the heat has addled my brainz | 19:09 |
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| clayg | notmyname: in here? | 20:59 |
| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 2 21:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | . | 21:00 |
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| tdasilva | eu | 21:00 |
| acoles | hi | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| patchbot | I'm here! | 21:00 |
| notmyname | is mattoliverau around? | 21:01 |
| notmyname | he may join later. let's get started | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic containers, containers, containers. deeeeeeeeeeep containers | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "containers, containers, containers. deeeeeeeeeeep containers (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| notmyname | it's feature/deep-review time! | 21:03 |
| notmyname | so -infra is currently upgrading gerrit, so gerrit links won't work in here during this meeting :-( | 21:03 |
| notmyname | today acoles has proposed a patch chain to feature/deep-review | 21:04 |
| kota_ | :/ | 21:04 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:feature/deep-review | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:feature/deep-review | 21:04 |
| notmyname | and earlier this week, tdasilva hosted a video chat where we talked about the architecture of the feature | 21:05 |
| notmyname | a recording can be found at | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #link https://bluejeans.com/s/3TyWf | 21:05 |
| notmyname | and there's an etherpad with an outline of the proposed patches at | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/deep-review | 21:05 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: kota_: did you get a chance to watch the video recording yet? | 21:05 |
| kota_ | not yet, sorry | 21:06 |
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| mattoliverau | Watched it, nice work acoles, and tdasilva for setting the meeting up | 21:06 |
| notmyname | no worries. start with the outline, then watch the video. acoles did a great job. it's about 1h20m long | 21:06 |
| notmyname | as of now, please consider master to have a soft freeze | 21:07 |
| notmyname | please do not land new patches there | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 21:08 |
| notmyname | soft freeze in this case means two things: (1) only critical patches should land and (2) all patches approved to land from master should be coordinated with acoles | 21:08 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: mm...might want to cork pete's s3api patch then... | 21:08 |
| notmyname | as a reminder, we do the freeze for two reasons. first is to avoid any merge conflict issues. second is to focus on the review of the featur ebranch | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565383 | 21:09 |
| patchbot | patch 565383 - swift - Simplify the code in s3api | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | do we know if it conflicts with feature/deep? | 21:10 |
| tdasilva | don't think | 21:10 |
| tdasilva | so | 21:10 |
| notmyname | yeah, doesn't look like it could. only touches one s3api file | 21:10 |
| notmyname | acoles: if you're ok with it, then let's let it land | 21:10 |
| zaitcev | It was trivial and yet Sam already found a way to simplify it further. | 21:11 |
| acoles | yep it only touches the middleware | 21:11 |
| notmyname | container sharding is a huge feature, both in mental scope and in the amount of code added/changed | 21:12 |
| notmyname | so it's going to take a while to review it. it's not like we'll have it approved by the end of the week | 21:12 |
| notmyname | my hope (in a "wouldn't it be nice" sense) is that we'll be able to land container sharding on master by may 17 | 21:13 |
| notmyname | that's two weeks from tomorrow (in my time zone) | 21:13 |
| clayg | do eet | 21:13 |
| notmyname | one reason the May 17 date would be really neat is because may 17 is swift's birthday! | 21:13 |
| kota_ | sounds great :) | 21:14 |
| notmyname | swift was first put into production and accepted user requests on may 17, 2010 | 21:14 |
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| mattoliverau | They would be cool | 21:14 |
| acoles | there are a few todo's on deep-review, for example where there are still unit tests to add. sorry I didn't get them all done, hopefully they are 'trivial' and I'll add them as we roll new patchsets. | 21:15 |
| notmyname | so that being said, here's how I imagine the next two weeks going (spoiler, it's pretty much the same as the last time we did a big feature branch merge) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | acoles is managing the feature/deep-review patch chain | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I have added a -2 to the first one. this is only to "cork" it so that nothing lands | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | please review and add your reviews and comments on every patch | 21:16 |
| acoles | and of course feel free to post a diff or follow on patch for me to squash in if you'd like to add tests, but please don't push over the existing patches. | 21:16 |
| * acoles know everyone loves writing tests :P | 21:16 | |
| notmyname | when we have a +A on every patch, we'll uncork the first one and everything will land. then we'll do a single merge commit to master and be done with it | 21:16 |
| notmyname | yes, please include a suggested diff when leaving a review asking for an improvement | 21:16 |
| notmyname | acoles: you expect to roll new patch sets every couple of days? | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | How many +2s? So it's in meeting logs | 21:17 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes, depending on how much review traffic there is | 21:17 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok, sounds good | 21:18 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: great question | 21:18 |
| notmyname | at this point in the history of our community, we're smaller than we've been in the past. I don *not* think we need a +2 from everyone before adding a +A | 21:18 |
| notmyname | however, I think we need 3-4 +2s for each patch | 21:18 |
| zaitcev | ouch | 21:19 |
| notmyname | with clayg, tdasilva, torgomatic, zaitcev, mattoliverau, and kota_ available to review (and maybe some of cschwede?) we should be able to make progress and get good reviews | 21:20 |
| clayg | on i! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | tim has had his baby, so he's not available for reviews. also, good news everyone! tim has replicated! | 21:21 |
| kota_ | wow! congrats Tim! | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ congrats | 21:21 |
| notmyname | also, with reviews, note that the last patch in the chain is docs. please do not leave negative reviews on that patch. instead, please push over the patch with your changes and updates | 21:22 |
| acoles | the docs need updating - I'll do that asap | 21:23 |
| notmyname | in next week's meeting, we'll have a good check of where we are. and then if all the programming gods are smiling on us, then the following meeting we'll be celebrating the impending merge | 21:23 |
| notmyname | are there any questions about the next two weeks of reviews on feature/deep-review? acoles, do you have anything to add or advice/requests for all of us? | 21:24 |
| acoles | I'll try to answer questions | 21:24 |
| acoles | reminder there is an overview of the patch chain here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/deep-review | 21:25 |
| acoles | feel free to expand that etherpad as you learn things | 21:25 |
| notmyname | doesn't seem like there are any questions right now | 21:26 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:26 |
| kota_ | 1 thing | 21:26 |
| notmyname | kota_: ok | 21:26 |
| kota_ | if you know, can i get the order of the patch chain? | 21:27 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:feature/deep-review seems not to be sorted...maybe? | 21:27 |
| kota_ | and /me is looking https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/deep-review yet... | 21:27 |
| acoles | hmm I'm getting an error from gerrit right now | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | I have a pretty good grasp on the topic, so can try help you with doc acoles. Even if it's a bunch of content that you can further correct if I go wrong in places. | 21:28 |
| notmyname | yeah, and I'm having issues with etherpad loading | 21:28 |
| acoles | but the patches are in numerical sequence | 21:28 |
| acoles | this is the first in the chain https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565742/ | 21:29 |
| patchbot | patch 565742 - swift (feature/deep-review) - Refactoring, test infrastructure changes and cleanup | 21:29 |
| acoles | I'll annotate the etherpad with patch links | 21:29 |
| zaitcev | thanks | 21:29 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:30 |
| kota_ | ok. and just an idea i had is fetching the last one (i.e. docs) then, check the order in the git history. | 21:30 |
| kota_ | thanks acoles | 21:30 |
| acoles | so once again, and with apologies, the docs may be out of date in places - but in principle still correct - just some details and naming has changed | 21:31 |
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| kota_ | ok | 21:31 |
| acoles | also there is a glossary of terminology here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/deep-containers and some notes to run probe tests | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | acoles: you've done a fantastic job preparing all of this for review, not to mention all the hard work of actually getting the thing written. thank you | 21:32 |
| notmyname | any other questions from anyone? | 21:32 |
| notmyname | all right then | 21:33 |
| notmyname | thank you for coming today, and thank you for your work on swift | 21:34 |
| notmyname | I'm excited about seeing container sharding land in swift | 21:34 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: it's finally happening!! | 21:34 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 2 21:34:30 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-05-02-21.00.html | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-05-02-21.00.txt | 21:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-05-02-21.00.log.html | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | Lol, only a few years in the making | 21:34 |
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