Thursday, 2018-05-03

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eumel8Good Morning. I18n Office Hour starts in 5 min in #openstack-i18n06:54
eumel8no team meeting here :)06:54
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melwitt#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May  3 14:00:04 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
melwitthi everyone14:00
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melwitt#topic Release News14:01
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melwitt#link Rocky release schedule:
melwittwe have the summit coming up in a few weeks14:01
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melwittwe have some nova-related topics approved for the forum14:02
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melwittthe forum schedule has been sent to the dev ML but I don't have a link handy14:02
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melwittbut do check that out to see what we have coming up at the forum14:02
melwitt#link Rocky review runways:
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melwittcurrent runways:14:03
melwitt#link runway #1: XenAPI: Support a new image handler for non-FS based SRs [END DATE: 2018-05-11] series starting at
patchbotpatch 497201 - nova - XenAPI: deprecate the config for image handler cla...14:03
melwitt#link runway #2: Add z/VM driver [END DATE: 2018-05-15] spec amendment needed at and implementation starting at
patchbotpatch 562154 - nova-specs - Add additional information for z/VM spec.14:03
patchbotpatch 523387 - nova - z/VM Driver: Initial change set of z/VM driver14:03
melwitt#link runway #3: Local disk serial numbers [END DATE: 2018-05-16] series starting at
patchbotpatch 526346 - nova - Give volume DriverBlockDevice classes a common prefix14:03
melwittplease take some time to review the patches in runways as a priority ^14:04
melwittanything else for release news or runways?14:04
* bauzas waves14:04
melwitt#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)14:05
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melwittno critical bugs14:05
melwitt#link 31 new untriaged bugs (same since the last meeting):
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melwittthe untriaged bug count hasn't gone up, so thanks to everyone who's been helping with triage14:06
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melwitt#link 3 untagged untriaged bugs:*&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:06
melwitt#link bug triage how-to:
melwittplease lend a helping hand with bug triage if you can. this is a good how-to guide ^14:07
* johnthetubaguy nods at the XenAPI runway item14:07
melwittyep, that's a good one for you :)14:07
melwittGate status:14:07
melwitt#link check queue gate status
melwittgate's been ... good I think14:08
melwitt3rd party CI:14:08
mriedemexcept ceph!14:08
bauzasyup, I saw14:08
bauzassome timeouts too14:08
melwittyes, except ceph. but there's a patch for that, there's been a cinder API change that has caused a call that used to work to fail14:08
mriedemoh that merged14:09
mriedemthe cinder one14:09
melwittit actually affects more than ceph in that any delete of a BFV instance would fail to detach the volume because of it14:09
melwittoh, good14:09
edmondswpowervm CI was recently updated to use a queens undercloud, and is now experiencing connection issues. Working to get that fixed14:09
melwittthanks for the heads up edmondsw14:10
melwitt#link 3rd party CI status
melwittvirtuozzo CI has been broken for awhile and now it's returning a 404 on its test result links14:10
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melwittI sent a message to the dev ML asking if anyone from virtuozzo could reply and nothing so far14:11
melwittanything else for bugs, gate status, or third party CI?14:11
esbergluPowerVM CI has been hitting connection issues from jenkins to nodepool nodes14:12
edmondswif anyone has ideas on that...14:12
edmondswwe're all ears :)14:12
esbergluCausing pretty much all runs to fail at the moment14:12
mriedemask in -infra14:13
melwitttopic #Reminders14:14
melwitt#topic Reminders14:14
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melwitt#link Rocky Review Priorities
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melwittsubteam and bug etherpad ^ it is there14:14
melwittdoes anyone have any other reminders to highlight?14:14
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melwitt#topic Stable branch status14:16
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melwitt#link stable/queens:,n,z14:16
melwittthere have been a lot of backports proposed14:16
melwittstable cores, please take a look at some reviews when you can14:16
melwitt#link stable/pike:,n,z14:16
melwittsame for pike, the list is growing14:17
melwitt#link stable/ocata:,n,z14:17
melwittand ocata doesn't have too many14:17
melwittanything else for stable branch status?14:17
mriedemocata should taper off14:17
melwittoh, also we released ocata 15.1.1 recently14:17
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melwitt#link ocata 15.1.1 released on 2018-05-02
patchbotpatch 564044 - releases - nova: release ocata 15.1.1 (MERGED)14:18
melwitt#topic Subteam Highlights14:18
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melwittyeah, so for cells v2 we skipped the meeting again bc we didn't need to have a meeting14:19
dansmithbecause we're efficient like that14:19
mriedemi'm following up on a bug with tssurya in -nova14:19
mriedemsounds like cern is upgrading and putting out fires, recap to come14:20
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mriedemplus a talk in vancouver about their cells v2 upgrade14:20
melwittyep. CERN peeps are in the middle of an upgrade to multi-cell cells v214:20
melwittexciting stuff14:20
tssurya_Totally :)14:20
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melwittreally looking forward to that talk14:21
dansmithbe careful what you wish for14:21
dansmithmight be a bunch of "the nova team sucks because" talk14:21
dansmith"nova cellsv2 ate the higgs boson data"14:21
tssurya_Hehe ,14:21
melwittokay, anything else for cells?14:22
* bauzas needs to disappear for babytaxiing14:22
melwittedleafe: scheduler?14:22
edleafeClarified the status of Nested Resource Providers for the Cyborg team. They were under the impression that since jaypipes's patch for handling requests for resources when nested providers are involved had merged, that NRP was functional.14:22
edleafe#link Resource Requests for Nested Providers
patchbotpatch 554529 - nova - placement: resource requests for nested providers (MERGED)14:22
edleafeDiscussed the two approaches I had proposed for the consumer generation issue. No decision was made, which eventually didn't matter, since jaypipes ended up redoing the entire series on his own.14:23
edleafeDiscussed the bug reported by the CERN folks that the association_refresh should be configurable. The current hard-coded interval of 300 seconds was a huge drag on their deployment. When they lengthened the interval, they saw a "big time improvement".14:23
edleafeWe discussed whether it was OK to backport a config option to Queens. Decided that it would be ok as long as the default for the option didn't change behavior.14:23
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edleafeThat's it.14:23
mriedemthat change is merged on master,14:23
mriedemneeds a backport14:23
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mriedemoh nvm
patchbotpatch 565526 - nova - Make association_refresh configurable14:23
tssurya_mriedem : will out up the backport soon14:24
melwittokay, so needs another +214:24
mriedemyeah i'll review it after the meeting14:24
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melwittedleafe: cool. I was thinking about the cyborg stuff yesterday and was wondering where things are. is it that once NRP is functional, they can start the implementation on their side?14:25
edleafemelwitt: they are starting the implementation already. We just had to explain that we aren't able to return nested RPs yet14:25
edleafeand that we probably won't be able to in Rocky14:26
mriedemreturn from what? GET /allocation_candidates?14:26
mriedemisn't that tetsuro's spec?14:26
edleafeyes again14:26
mriedemso why won't we be able to in rocky?14:26
mriedemjust too much other stuff?14:26
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edleafethat was the status I got - it *might* make it in, but that it isn't a sure thing14:27
jaypipestetsuro's patches are coming along nicely...14:27
melwittokay, so is it that returning nested RPs required for them to complete the implementation on their side? trying to get an idea of when we can expect the FPGA stuff to be live14:27
mriedemthey need ^ to schedule in nova properly14:27
edleafemelwitt: they can code to the specs now14:27
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efriedYeah, the series is up and ready for review14:28
efriedI've got +2s on the first three or four patches.14:28
edleafeit just won't work until the rest is merged14:28
melwittokay, so nothing is blocking them and once they're done, then the last piece will be the nova integration part14:28
efriedThe final patch (with the microversion) is proposed now.14:28
jaypipesmelwitt: cyborg still needs to implement their update_provider_tree() work. we still need to implement the scheduler side of things (which is the GET /allocation_candidates stuff tetsuro is working on and the granular request stuff efried is working on, both of which have active reviews for patches)14:28
edleafejaypipes: yes, the point was that they can start working on it. We aren't blocking them14:29
efriedI wasn't sure about it on Monday, because that one wasn't there, but now that it's up, I'm confident we can make Rocky with this stuff.14:29
jaypipesedleafe: correct, no disagreement from me on that14:29
mriedemso cyborg puts fpga traits or providers in the tree, and then you can request that via flavor extra specs using granular request syntax right?14:29
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melwittall sounds good, thanks y'all14:30
melwittlast on subteams, notifications, there are no notes from gibi in the agenda14:30
gibiNo notification meeting this week due to public holiday14:30
gibiThere will be meeting next week and I will try to send status mail as well.14:30
melwittah, right. I thought I knew that and then forgot14:31
melwittcool gibi14:31
melwittanything else for subteams?14:31
melwitt#topic Stuck Reviews14:31
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melwittthere's one thing in the agenda, the rebuild thing again14:32
efriedI thought I saw chatter last night, we're going with the "check allocations to find our RPs and compare those traits" approach, yes?14:32
melwittthere's been more replies to the ML thread14:32
melwittyeah, I mean, I don't think there's any other "right" way to handle it. that's just MHO14:33
melwittthe other option was to just punt in the API and only allow old image-traits == new image-traits on a rebuild, or rather kick out any request that has image-traits that did not exist in the original image14:34
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melwittand arvind isn't here14:34
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dansmithis this really stuck?14:35
dansmithby the definition?14:35
mriedemyeah i think it is14:35
dansmithit's been a while since I looked,14:35
dansmithbut what is the blocking disagreement?14:35
mriedemhow to handle rebuild with a new image that has required traits14:35
melwittwhether or not to ask placement to verify the image-traits on a rebuild request14:35
mriedemit's in that ML thread14:35
dansmithI've been ignoring it14:36
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dansmiththe question is whether or not we block rebuild to same host if the traits have changed?14:36
melwittmy opinion is, we have to ask placement if we want to check whether the image-traits are okay14:36
johnthetubaguyshould it just match live-migrate kind of things, where the host is specified?14:37
melwittand the debate is whether we should check them with placement or just do a flavor compare, old vs new and only allow same traits. and not ask placement anything14:37
dansmithjust comparing flavors is way too naive I tink14:37
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melwittimage, sorry14:37
dansmiththat'll work in a contrived functional test,14:37
dansmithbut not in real life I think14:37
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dansmithmelwitt: yeah I know, same deal.. "without asking placement" I mean14:38
mriedemright the current proposal in the spec from arvind is the api checks if the new image for rebuild has traits which are a subset of the original image traits used to create the instance14:38
mriedemwhich might or might not work with the current state of the host,14:38
mriedemassuming no external service has changed the traits on the compute node provider14:38
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dansmithI can't imagine that working the way you expect in practice14:38
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mriedemi think this is basically the same thing as running the ImagePropertiesFilter on rebuild for a new image14:39
melwittand it artificially limits a rebuild if the compute host has trait A and B and you originally booted with trait A and want to rebuild with trait B and then it says NO14:39
mriedemi don't really see how this is different14:39
melwittyup, agreed, I see it the same way14:39
dansmithI shall commentificate upon the threadage and reviewage14:39
melwittthanks dansmith14:40
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melwittokay, any other comments on that before we move to open discussion?14:40
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melwitt#topic Open discussion14:41
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efriedDo we have a bug open for the func test failure in test_parallel_evacuate_with_server_group (AssertionError: 'host3' == 'host3').  Been seeing this pretty frequently, seems like a race.14:41
melwittwe do14:41
melwittcfriesen had some ideas about it. lemme see if I can find it14:41
efriedNot that I plan to debug the thing.  Just want to be able to start saying "recheck bug #xxxx" instead of "recheck" :)14:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1763181 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "test_parallel_evacuate_with_server_group intermittently fails" [Medium,Confirmed]14:41
efriedThanks melwitt14:41
mriedemyes it's been open for a couple of weeks14:42
melwittyeah, so from what cfriesen mentioned on there, it sounds like it's a race in the actual code, not just the test14:42
melwittwhich sucks14:42
melwittbecause that'll be harder to fix14:42
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melwittso if anyone wants to help with the solution to that, it would be really cool ;)14:43
melwittanything else for open discussion?14:43
melwittokay, we'll wrap up. thanks everybody14:44
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gagehugo#startmeeting security15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May  3 15:00:23 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'security'15:00
gagehugoping eeiden fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait browne15:00
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nickthetaithi everyone15:00
gagehugohey nickthetait15:01
fungias usual, i'm mostly focused on tc office hour, but ping me if something needs my input here15:01
gagehugowill do15:01
gagehugoo/ jessegler15:02
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gagehugogive people another minute or so15:02
gagehugo#topic Bandit Migration15:04
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gagehugoI saw that the change to remove bandit gating merged15:05
gagehugoso will hopefully pass now15:05
patchbotpatch 564453 - bandit - Project Migration to PyCQA15:05
nickthetaitthats a big change set :O15:06
gagehugonickthetait yup, it'll change the openstack repo to point people to the new one on pycqa15:06
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nickthetaitso as far as the bandit code itself, this should include "everything" required to move it over?15:07
gagehugoon the openstack repo side15:08
gagehugothe migration is done afaia15:08
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gagehugoI know browne was spending a good part of last week migrating the launchpad bugs to github issues15:09
gagehugobut I think so far everything is moving good15:09
gagehugo#topic PTG (denver)15:10
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gagehugowould like lhinds here for this, but does anyone know if they can attend?15:10
nickthetaitI will be15:10
nickthetaitOnly a 1 hour drive away :)15:11
gagehugoI haven't gotten approval yet, but I'll update once I know15:11
gagehugooh nice15:11
gagehugoDenver was pretty cool last fall when we were there15:11
gagehugo#topic Tatu15:12
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gagehugoI'm not aware of any updates here15:12
gagehugo#topic Documentation15:13
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gagehugosame here, nothing to update atm15:14
gagehugo#topic #OSSN15:14
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nickthetaitIs this one ready to start turning into a notice?
openstackLaunchpad bug 1699573 in OpenStack Security Notes "ScaleIO volumes contain previous data" [Undecided,New]15:15
nickthetaitnot sure if all the software changes have happened yet15:15
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fungii've also been told by a friend at emc that it's no longer called "scaleio"15:16
gagehugolooks like merged15:16
patchbotpatch 555546 - cinder - ScaleIO: Prevent usage of unsafe volumes (MERGED)15:16
gagehugofungi is there a new name for it?15:17
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fungithey renamed the product to something like "VxFlex OS" (though i suppose that's immaterial from the standpoint of the ossn)15:17
fungithe engineers are annoyed because it's not an operating system, but marketing seemed to think that name would sell it better15:18
nickthetaitfungi: if you can find a public press briefing for me I'll update the naming when making the ossn15:18
fungiwe probably ought to stick to whatever naming cinder is using for the driver anyway15:19
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gagehugo#topic OSSA15:22
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gagehugoany updates here?15:22
fungi#link Public OSSA bugs under review15:23
fungias usual, that's a great place for people who want to pitch in to help the vmt15:23
fungi#link OSSA-2018-001: Raw underlying encrypted volume access15:24
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fungithat one happened a couple weeks ago, but i didn't get a chance to mention in last week's meeting15:24
fungifirst advisory of the year, which seems pretty good15:25
fungieven better that it's only a denial of service vector15:26
nickthetaitroughly how many ossas were there in 2017?15:26
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gagehugolooks like ~11 or so15:31
gagehugoif I didn't completely mess up this advanced search15:32
gagehugo#topic Threat Analysis Documents15:32
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gagehugothere's a couple drafts for pycadf and oslo.cache up15:32
patchbotpatch 527202 - security-analysis - Initial draft for Oslo.Cache Review15:33
patchbotpatch 529945 - security-analysis - Initial draft for pyCADF security review15:33
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gagehugoI need to take a look at them when I get a chance15:33
funginickthetait: only 6 in 201715:34
fungi#link OpenStack Security Advisories15:35
nickthetaitok thanks15:35
fungi(as opposed to 13 in 2016)15:35
gagehugofungi thanks15:35
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nickthetaitis there somewhere that I can subscribe to new threat analysis documents?15:36
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gagehugoI'm subbed on launchpad:
gagehugoossn too15:39
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gagehugo#topic Chair Rotation15:40
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nickthetaitso these analysis docs will either not be a real threat or into ossa/ossn?15:40
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gagehugonickthetait I believe they are triaged in ossa/ossn once submitted15:41
fungiif the thread analysis documents are being submitted to gerrit, you could just subscribe your gerrit account to that repository15:41
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fungier, threat analysis15:41
gagehugooh I misread15:41
gagehugonickthetait, do what fungi said15:41
gagehugothat's the gerrit repo15:42
gagehugolhinds and I will alternate months chairing the meeting just fyi, I am currently scheduled to chair for the month of May15:42
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gagehugo#topic General Discussion15:43
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gagehugofloow is open :)15:43
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gagehugothanks for coming everyone15:47
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