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| zhiyuan | hi, sorry I am a bit late | 01:09 |
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| zhiyuan | due to the rainy day | 01:09 |
| xuzhuang | hi | 01:10 |
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| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 6 01:11:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:11 |
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| zhiyuan | xuzhuang, have you seen my comment? | 01:11 |
| xuzhuang | yes | 01:11 |
| xuzhuang | I have replied the review | 01:12 |
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| zhiyuan | give me some time to read it | 01:13 |
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| Yipei | hi, zhiyuan, about the route in spec, do we need to add the route to make sure the traffic can be routed to external net in other regions? | 01:15 |
| zhiyuan | Yipei, I think traffic just go out from the external network in its own region | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan | xuzhuang, you create the bottom router during network creation, in the new l3 model case, this is a routed network, so several bottom routers need to be created | 01:19 |
| zhiyuan | since the routed network will contain several network segments for real external networks | 01:20 |
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| Yipei | to zhiyuan, do we need to support service redundancy in case of region level failure? | 01:21 |
| xuzhuang | In fact we only use routed network to maintian the relationship of several real external network. And in the bottom region we only use real external network not the segments of routed network. | 01:22 |
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| xuzhuang | We will create a local router for each real external network in bottom region. | 01:23 |
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| zhiyuan | Yipei, the purpose of multiple external networks is that each region can have its own external network, so I think we can support it later | 01:26 |
| Yipei | ok, got it, i will update the spec | 01:26 |
| zhiyuan | xuzhuang, yes, but user only know the routed network | 01:27 |
| zhiyuan | after the routed network is created, the real local network should be created | 01:27 |
| xuzhuang | Oh, got it. The user only need to create routed network and Tricircle will create bottom external networks with local routers according to the az-hint. | 01:30 |
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| Yipei | to zhiyuan, you mean user needs to create a routed network first, then create real local network manually? | 01:30 |
| zhiyuan | no, user only need to create the routed network, specify the real external netowrk info in the segments | 01:33 |
| Yipei | oh, i got it. you mean user only uses routed network | 01:33 |
| zhiyuan | tricircle will take care of the local network | 01:33 |
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| Yipei | got it, xuzhuang and I will update the code | 01:33 |
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| zhiyuan | ok | 01:36 |
| song | hi,is there some works we can do? | 01:36 |
| zhiyuan | what's your original use case? Yipei | 01:36 |
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| zhiyuan | need to create both routed network and external network? | 01:37 |
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| Yipei | i think i misunderstand the scenario. obviously, only exposing routed network to users is better | 01:41 |
| zhiyuan | fine | 01:42 |
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| zhiyuan | song, I remenber that there is a driver implementation of trunk plugin? | 01:44 |
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| song | yes | 01:46 |
| song | that is doing by zhangchi | 01:47 |
| song | we all have xiaohan and cyg are free | 01:47 |
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| song | they can do some other works too. | 01:47 |
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| zhiyuan | one varification work can be done | 01:48 |
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| zhiyuan | we can check if our service can still work with nova cellv2 | 01:48 |
| song | do not need to coding? | 01:49 |
| zhiyuan | if the varification passes, we don't need to change things | 01:50 |
| zhiyuan | doc may need some chagne | 01:50 |
| zhiyuan | s/chagne/change | 01:50 |
| song | that is good. | 01:51 |
| song | we can do this. | 01:52 |
| zhiyuan | thanks | 01:53 |
| song | you are welcome | 01:53 |
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| zhiyuan | other topics? | 01:54 |
| Yipei | no from me | 01:55 |
| song | no from me | 01:55 |
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| xuzhuang | no | 01:55 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, thanks for attending | 01:57 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 01:57 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 01:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 01:57:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-06-06-01.11.html | 01:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-06-06-01.11.txt | 01:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-06-06-01.11.log.html | 01:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 6 08:00:58 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 08:01 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | I think antonio wanted to join this meeting let me ping him | 08:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | gmann, around? | 08:01 |
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| aojea | o/ | 08:02 |
| mattoliverau | hey aojea :) | 08:02 |
| mattoliverau | you made it | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello aojea :) | 08:02 |
| aojea | hi, s | 08:02 |
| aojea | apologise for the delay :) | 08:02 |
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| mattoliverau | aojea: is my manger and all round great guy, whose interested in reaching new devs and breaking down walls etc. | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Excellent :) | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Always happy to have new people | 08:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | Give one more minute to wait for gmann and then we can get started. | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | so, its been a while. how's everyone been? I think we had some follow up items from the summit right | 08:04 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Agenda | 08:04 |
| cmurphy | i think gmann said in #openstack-u-i that he wouldn't be able to join | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh okay we can get started then. | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor Patches | 08:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Contributor Patches (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:05 | |
| diablo_rojo | Definitely still getting back into the normal rhythm of things so I havent had much time to look at how they are going but hopefully since the summit there are some new patches to review? | 08:06 |
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| mattoliverau | I noticed there are a few new patches.. but was kinda really busy this week to contact them. os-brick horizon, tempest to name a few | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I can poke some people/ review the os-brick one | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe gmann can look at the tempest one. | 08:07 |
| mattoliverau | cool. I'll see who I can ping to look at the others. gmann could probably do tempest | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, cool yeah I think he could. | 08:08 |
| myrat | wossap | 08:08 |
| aojea | I have one questions, what happens with the patches that seems abandoned or are stuck for a long time? | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo | I kinda figured none of us would have done the homework for this meeting, but maybe for next week. | 08:08 |
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| mattoliverau | I bought up the searches... so was kinda 1/2 there :P | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo | aojea, for abandoned patches thats kind of the end of the road. | 08:09 |
| mattoliverau | depends on how their stuck too. | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | For patches that are stuck without reviews we try to poke at people to review them. If they are stuck becuase the author hasnt done updates we can try to email them but at this point we havent gone that far. | 08:09 |
| mattoliverau | we have a bunch of liasons which we get to join the patches to help mentor and shepherd them. | 08:09 |
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| mattoliverau | Not sure what else we can do without creeply stalk them. | 08:10 |
| mattoliverau | I hope whoever is on the review, tries to review often and help with encouragement | 08:10 |
| mattoliverau | things that are too old and we never got to, because the sig is new.. well I dunno to be honest. | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah.. We can reach out to them to the email they have provided in gerrit, but that I think is a little extreme since they will get emails about our reviews. | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | try and ping the person and see if they respond | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | If they are on irc. | 08:11 |
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| mattoliverau | sometimes I wish gerrit ids/emails matched irc nicks better :P | 08:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ha ha I prefer to make people work for it ;) | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | aojea, did we answer your questions well enough? | 08:12 |
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| mattoliverau | suggesions are always welcome, cause I'm no expert just someone who cares. | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Same :) | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Always willing to listen to feedback | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Lets move on | 08:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Ask.o.o | 08:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ask.o.o (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:14 | |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone do this homework? | 08:14 |
| mattoliverau | I didn't see anything new | 08:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | Thats alright. | 08:14 |
| mattoliverau | so either no new contributor is using ask.o.o or we need to fiddle with the topics again | 08:14 |
| mattoliverau | but all we can do is keep a look out | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | I think fiddling with tags might be a good idea. | 08:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think the fact that we are constantly watching is better than before when a lot of them would go unanswered for a while. | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | If we wanted to get proactive we could keep seeding the site with questions and good answers. | 08:15 |
| mattoliverau | we are aleast more proactive then people used to be. | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I consider that an improvement in itself. | 08:16 |
| mattoliverau | I guess we just need to keep adding tags that come to mind that a new contributor might use | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Yup. | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I think some of the ones we have further down on the agenda would be good. | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | We can get to that in a bit. | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Shall we move on? | 08:17 |
| mattoliverau | yup | 08:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Forum Recap | 08:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum Recap (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:18 | |
| diablo_rojo | So I think the first session we had the Ops Inclusion one could have gone better.. | 08:18 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, some Ops would have helped | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Would have been nice to have actual operators there rather than the same voices :) | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | I wanted to add a follow up but I got too busy and then too tired. | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess its something we will need to just keep trying again. | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | And go bother the operators during the PTG. | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | we need to target the next ops meet up /me thinks | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, +1 | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | lol, could we stop saying the same thing at the same time :P | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | It will be in conjunction with the PTG | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Great minds and all that crap. | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | yup, great minds think alike and fools never differ... I'm hoping on the former :P | 08:20 |
| diablo_rojo | That would be nice- I think it varies on the day though. | 08:20 |
| mattoliverau | I think even though we had the same dev voices, at least we came out with some kind of plan. | 08:20 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC-SIG-Ops-Inclusion Etherpad from the Ops Inclusion Discussions | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Not much in terms of notes as we didnt make a ton of progress sadly | 08:21 |
| mattoliverau | well we need to build out the ops side of the contributor guide as much as we can | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Basically its just a lot of education of other groups who we are and what we do and what we need help with | 08:21 |
| mattoliverau | yeah | 08:22 |
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| mattoliverau | but something in superuser or something might help. and the user survey | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose we could try to submit talks lightning or otherwise on what the FC SIG is and what the contributor guide is | 08:23 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, good idea. | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | What do you think should go in the survey? | 08:23 |
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| mattoliverau | not sure, just thinking about what operators would be looking at | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah okay | 08:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | Another super user post about how the OUI went this round with the contributor guide could work | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | and put a call for help building out the other sections- specifically ops | 08:24 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Wanna help me? :) | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose you werent there for the OUI bit | 08:24 |
| mattoliverau | nope, I was in Fiji ;) | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | :P | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay well I will add that to my todo list. | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Shouldn't take long to knock out. | 08:25 |
| mattoliverau | And _was_ very jetlagged on the day we had this fishbowl :P | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | The other session we had- Reqs for Organisations contributing to openstack went better I felt. | 08:26 |
| mattoliverau | Maybe use the openstack blog to say who we are (FC SIG) and what we're trying to do, including building up for the ops side. | 08:26 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Reqs-for-Organisations-Contributing-to-OpenStack Etherpad from the discussion | 08:26 |
| mattoliverau | or an update | 08:26 |
| mattoliverau | I'll see if I can write something. I think my blog is federated or whatever it's called on the openstack one. | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | That would be super awesome. | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | You do that and I do the superuser and we should be well covered | 08:27 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 08:27 |
| mattoliverau | yeah the other one went better. | 08:28 |
| mattoliverau | This one would have been of more interest to aojea as well | 08:28 |
| mattoliverau | it would have been nice if more people with issues connecting to the openstack community were there though | 08:28 |
| aojea | the openstack blog you mean? | 08:28 |
| mattoliverau | sorry no the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Reqs-for-Organisations-Contributing-to-OpenStack | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | aojea, the reqs for organisations contributing to openstack session | 08:29 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yeah that would have been nice. Simultaneously I feel like we have a solid list to start from | 08:29 |
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| diablo_rojo | I havent seen fungi's email summary of it yet but I remember him mentioning working on it | 08:30 |
| mattoliverau | the topic all started becuase there were people who found it hard to contribute because tech barriers from their company side | 08:30 |
| mattoliverau | cool | 08:30 |
| mattoliverau | aojea: ^ | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | And mattoliverau, you volunteered to add this to the contributor guide ;) | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Its in the notes so its practically written in stone ;) | 08:31 |
| mattoliverau | So we started thinking about a document we can place on the contributor guide that will help instruct what companies need to provide as a starting point | 08:31 |
| aojea | yeah, also I will include the tools, I see that younger developers are used to work with more "UI oriented" tools | 08:32 |
| mattoliverau | but it's where things like barriers with things like weechat or slack might or lack of irc can come in | 08:32 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think this level could work: https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/ | 08:32 |
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| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: yeah... thats right. I'll wait for fungi's updates ;) | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Or it should be in common so it applies to all of them | 08:32 |
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| mattoliverau | aojea: that's understandable. getting others already in the community there is the hard part | 08:33 |
| mattoliverau | maybe we need infra to run something like a rocket chat instance. | 08:34 |
| mattoliverau | thats kinda like slack and oss (i think) | 08:34 |
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| mattoliverau | though I don't have much slack experience myself. | 08:34 |
| cmurphy | segregating new people into a different communication forum is not the way to integrate them into the community | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | true | 08:35 |
| aojea | indeed | 08:35 |
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| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, I agree. | 08:35 |
| cmurphy | that's not really related to requirements for contributing organizations though | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | no | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Making companies aware and okay with the network and necessary ports is important. | 08:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Man would it be great if they were all allowed to have bouncers or some other way of being signed in all the time too. | 08:36 |
| mattoliverau | I think aojea is talking about helping newer generations of devs get involved. and using what they use etc. so still an interesting discussion. | 08:36 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: +1 to that. | 08:37 |
| diablo_rojo | irccloud? | 08:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | Anything else we want to discuss here? | 08:38 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, is there an irccloud like thing thats OSS that maybe we could host. So therefor provide bouncers in a way if you want to use it to store your account. | 08:39 |
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| mattoliverau | I'm just brainstorming out loud, feel free to say shutup ;P | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Not sure, might be something we could discuss with infra. | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | When fungi reads the logs in his morning maybe he can provide insight :) | 08:40 |
| * diablo_rojo waves to future fungi | 08:40 | |
| mattoliverau | something that could use your openstack id, so you could easily match up nicks ;) | 08:40 |
| cmurphy | there is riot/matrix which has a built-in bridge to freenode, nothing for infra to host | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | yeah that's true | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | the bridge is interesting, I've used it before. but it does work and keeps you logged in. | 08:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe we could add mention of that in the IRC section of the guie | 08:41 |
| cmurphy | (channeling aspiers here ;)) | 08:41 |
| diablo_rojo | *guide | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | took me some getting used too. | 08:42 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like theres enough we could make an advanced IRC section | 08:42 |
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| diablo_rojo | with bouncers and ping words and bridges and whatnot | 08:42 |
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| mattoliverau | slack used to have a bridge, or at least allowed me to log into slack from my irc client. not sure about the other way. | 08:43 |
| cmurphy | an advanced irc section sounds useful | 08:43 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:43 |
| aojea | +1 | 08:43 |
| diablo_rojo | I can make the story for that tomorrow unless someone else wants to jump on it before I wake up. | 08:43 |
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| cmurphy | but people always get hung up on irc being so difficult because they think it requires all those advanced things, i think it's important to be clear that you can totally do useful work with just pidgin or whatever | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/913 | 08:44 |
| mattoliverau | nah, I'm having dinner as soon as this is over :) | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed cmurphy. | 08:44 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: thats a good point | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | I think having a 'here's the basics' section and a 'here's if you wanna be awesome' section | 08:44 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 08:45 |
| aojea | hexchat vs tmux + irssi XD | 08:45 |
| mattoliverau | the real barrier to IRC and the youngin's is no gifs and memes :P | 08:45 |
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| mattoliverau | aojea: lol | 08:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Just gotta go for the classic ascii art | 08:45 |
| cmurphy | aojea: you mean screen + weechat :P | 08:45 |
| aojea | ;) | 08:46 |
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| mattoliverau | anything else on this topic for tonight? (I can smell slow cooked lamb) | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | I dont think so. | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New ask.o.o tags | 08:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New ask.o.o tags (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:47 | |
| diablo_rojo | I say we add the first like.. 6 tags from the proposed list to our watch list | 08:48 |
| mattoliverau | I should probably run some queries on those others and see if anything new was turned up using them. | 08:48 |
| diablo_rojo | so everything but the last three- howto, initial, and interest | 08:48 |
| mattoliverau | sure, doesn't hurt to try | 08:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool. Will do that tomorrow as well. | 08:49 |
| mattoliverau | can we make some super query with all the tags or'ed? | 08:49 |
| mattoliverau | I assume we can somehow | 08:49 |
| aojea | regarding askbot, do you have stats to see the impact of the tags? | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | I'm not sure but I can play around with it a bit tomorrow. | 08:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay | 08:50 |
| aojea | I mean, if some tag is more used than others, to understand the users behaviours | 08:50 |
| mattoliverau | aojea: the current tags are just me going through all the tags at about 2 months ago that seemed relevent, and on a search had something vagly relevent from the past. | 08:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah. I'm not sure we have anything that sophistciated. | 08:51 |
| mattoliverau | askbot uses something | 08:51 |
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| mattoliverau | because when you look at the list of tags | 08:51 |
| mattoliverau | the bigger they are the more they're used | 08:51 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/tags/ | 08:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 08:53 |
| aojea | that can be useful | 08:53 |
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| aojea | didn't expect to see "migrated" as the second most popular tag | 08:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | I expect that its mostly in reference to volumes or instances. | 08:54 |
| mattoliverau | maybe... it could be the biggest problem :P | 08:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Open Discussion | 08:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | Tomorrow I will send out the email being all- PTL's you are our liaison unless you delegate or have already delegated. | 08:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Thats all I had | 08:56 |
| mattoliverau | sounds good to me. | 08:56 |
| mattoliverau | then we'll at least have project coverage | 08:56 |
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| mattoliverau | 3 minutes, shall we end it and let diablo_rojo sleep? | 08:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | If no one has anything else. | 08:58 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Alright then! | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Night/Morning everyone :) | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 08:58:45 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-06-06-08.00.html | 08:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-06-06-08.00.txt | 08:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-06-06-08.00.log.html | 08:58 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 08:58 |
| cmurphy | thanks everyone | 08:58 |
| aojea | see u | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for coming aojea! | 08:59 |
| aojea | my pleasure | 08:59 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Hello? | 09:23 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 6 11:00:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| verdurin | Afternoon. | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_June_6th_2018 | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Hi verdurin, good afternoon | 11:00 |
| priteau | Hello | 11:01 |
| daveholland | hi | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | hello all | 11:01 |
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| daveholland | (might be distracted, working on some instances whose IP addresses show in Horizon but not "openstack server show") | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | daveholland: intriguing... | 11:02 |
| daveholland | AOB :) | 11:02 |
| oneswig | keep us updated! | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | OK shall we get on with the show... | 11:03 |
| oneswig | #topic summit roundup | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | We had a well-attended session. I think there were probably 60 people in for the meeting and 80 for the lightning talks | 11:04 |
| oneswig | a good showing | 11:04 |
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| b1airo | o/ | 11:04 |
| oneswig | Hey b1airo, evening | 11:05 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 11:05 |
| verdurin | oneswig: was looking at Tuesday logs, have people thought of more talk recordings to recommend since then? | 11:05 |
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| oneswig | John's talk on preemptible instances went online. I think it got overlooked. | 11:06 |
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| oneswig | #link preemptible instances and bare metal containers https://www.openstack.org/videos/vancouver-2018/containers-on-baremetal-and-preemptible-vms-at-cern-and-ska | 11:06 |
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| oneswig | John also did a pretty comprehensive roundup on Scientific SIG interests from the forum | 11:07 |
| oneswig | #link Scientific SIG and forum https://www.stackhpc.com/openstack-forum-vancouver-2018.html | 11:08 |
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| b1airo | yeah i saw that on twitter, haven't had a chance yet though | 11:08 |
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| daveholland | it's a good read | 11:08 |
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| oneswig | thanks daveholland, will pass that on | 11:09 |
| oneswig | daveholland: any session picks from you? | 11:10 |
| daveholland | there were a few things that stood out... the session on "enterprise problems" was familiar and reassuring (other people also find lost/orphaned instances, for example) | 11:11 |
| daveholland | one tiny nugget from a CERN talk that raised eyebrows: 8 minutes average VM boot time? maybe there is pre-work in scheduling GPUs or other scarce resource, or ironic cleaning... but we think 1 minute is on the slow side | 11:12 |
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| verdurin | daveholland: might be CVMFS-related | 11:12 |
| oneswig | That's interesting. I missed most of the CERN talks, alas. | 11:13 |
| daveholland | @verdurin interesting point I hadn't thought of, thanks | 11:13 |
| oneswig | but I'd assume all the CernVMFS repositories would be local, on-site? | 11:14 |
| b1airo | you'd think | 11:14 |
| daveholland | I found some other interesting points behind operating-at-scale, e.g. Walmart (I think) with dozens of OpenStack deployments/clouds | 11:14 |
| verdurin | They would be, yes. | 11:15 |
| b1airo | daveholland: yeah i've noticed a few enterprise users have scale in shear number of deployments, whereas on the scientific side it's more likely to be large individual deployments | 11:15 |
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| b1airo | this is true for e.g. Ceph too when we were at the inaugural advanced user meeting at the Red Hat summit earlier last month | 11:16 |
| oneswig | There was a good demo of exactly this in the keynotes - Riccardo Rocha's federated Kubernetes - scale through federation at the platform level instead | 11:16 |
| daveholland | are enough people running large enough (single) deployments that there's a feel for where the sensible boundaries are? Sanger has a single ~5000 core deployment and looking to add ~4000, currently pondering whether lumping it all in one is sensible | 11:16 |
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| b1airo | depends what you mean by all in one i guess, lots of different ways to architect | 11:17 |
| daveholland | likewise for large Ceph (PB+) | 11:17 |
| b1airo | scale-wise the only practical considerations for Nova are number of hosts in a cell | 11:17 |
| daveholland | single cell, 3x HA controllers (Pike) | 11:17 |
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| b1airo | but that doesn't have to translate into anything user-facing | 11:17 |
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| b1airo | as far as i remember 300 hosts in a single cell was the max rule of thumb (possibly according to rackspace) | 11:18 |
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| oneswig | The thorny issue in any discussion on scale is how much it depends on how the control plane is used. What kind of churn is going on at the instance level and how many services are active... | 11:19 |
| b1airo | indeed oneswig | 11:19 |
| b1airo | and placement adds quite a bit of extra api load it seems | 11:19 |
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| oneswig | brb | 11:20 |
| b1airo | daveholland: ceph-wise the main consideration that i haven't seen any good guidance on is what a sensible limit to number of OSDs in a pool is | 11:20 |
| b1airo | or rather than a pool a single PG set | 11:21 |
| daveholland | so, number of OSDs supporting a PG? we have 3 (for 3-way replication) but I can see using more for EC (which we don't yet do). 3060 OSDs in total which is starting to feel a bit unwieldy | 11:21 |
| b1airo | i mean, depending on how you crushmap is implemented (but assuming the default sort of layout), the more OSDs in a pool the greater the chance of concurrent failures and possible data loss | 11:23 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | @oneswig, @b1airo: by the way… the vapourware I’ve promised for the last year and a half is almost here (had what looks like almost the final build yesterday). I might *actually* be able to… demo… macOS Integration with this thing called Moonshot. :-/ | 11:23 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: hi Stefan, bring it on! | 11:24 |
| b1airo | there was a talk many summits ago, possibly in tokyo, from "something"Stack, maybe UnitedStack, talking about how they implemented limited failure domains within crush to increase reliability and improve backfill | 11:24 |
| oneswig | Would be interested to see integration with Keystone, or what the options are for this. | 11:24 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Indeed. | 11:25 |
| daveholland | blairo: I may not be understanding, will drop you a line | 11:25 |
| b1airo | oneswig: haven't even seen a demo and already making feature requests! | 11:25 |
| oneswig | b1airo: give an inch, take a mile... | 11:25 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I'm interested in this discussion on PG size because it seems counter-intuitive | 11:26 |
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| oneswig | But perhaps we can carry on in #scientific-wg afterwards - jmlowe might be interested too | 11:26 |
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| daveholland | (I have to dash promptly at 1pm sorry) | 11:27 |
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| b1airo | not the PG size (as in num reps) but the total population of OSDs | 11:27 |
| b1airo | found the slides from that talk: https://www.slideshare.net/kioecn/build-an-highperformance-and-highdurable-block-storage-service-based-on-ceph | 11:27 |
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| daveholland | blairo: ta, will read/learn/inwardly digest (and then be in touch :) ) | 11:28 |
| oneswig | Thanks, I'll take a look | 11:28 |
| oneswig | ditto... | 11:28 |
| oneswig | OK, next item? | 11:29 |
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| oneswig | #topic gathering best practice on handling controlled-access data | 11:29 |
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| oneswig | There was some good discussion here at the session. | 11:30 |
| oneswig | Somehow the group membership has swung from particle physics to life sciences! | 11:30 |
| oneswig | My aim is that if we can gather good practice it might make new content for the HPC book | 11:31 |
| verdurin | oneswig: spent nearly all last week hosting a site visit for a large project in this area, so very timely for us. | 11:31 |
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| oneswig | I started an etherpad to start gathering fellow travellers: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-SIG-Controlled-Data-Research | 11:31 |
| oneswig | verdurin: interesting, would love to hear more. | 11:32 |
| b1airo | first question, what do we mean by "Implementation Standard"? | 11:32 |
| oneswig | daveholland: at the Sanger OpenStack event, I met someone looking to combine a trifecta of sensitive data - genomics, patient records and location. Who would that have been? | 11:33 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I was thinking of regulatory frameworks. Probably a better term. | 11:33 |
| daveholland | Franceso at PHE maybe? | 11:34 |
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| oneswig | daveholland: not this time, it was someone from Sanger IIRC, possibly working with a population in Africa? | 11:34 |
| b1airo | most of the big studies i hear about have some element like this in the data-science aspects | 11:35 |
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| b1airo | which is why where we think the safe haven environment comes into play | 11:36 |
| b1airo | s/why// | 11:36 |
| daveholland | humm, not sure, was the angle human, or cancer, or pathogen? that'd nail down which team I ask at least | 11:36 |
| oneswig | b1airo: that project @Monash, how can we get them involved? Was it Jerico? | 11:36 |
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| oneswig | daveholland: human I'd guess but it wasn't a detailed discussion | 11:37 |
| daveholland | I think it was likely Martin in human genetics, they have links to Africa | 11:37 |
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| verdurin | daveholland: could be one of the malaria-related groups? We have people here with a presence at your end. | 11:38 |
| b1airo | oneswig: yeah Jerico is the main resource doing technical stuff on it at the moment, and now we are looking to focus on this i'll suggest he joins (will forward him today's logs and the etherpad) | 11:38 |
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| oneswig | excellent, thanks b1airo | 11:39 |
| oneswig | daveholland: I think (somehow) location data was coming from phones / gps as well. Could that use of technology track it down? | 11:39 |
| daveholland | oneswig: I will have to ask around, not heard of that aspect | 11:40 |
| oneswig | Thanks - I hope I'm not making all this up :-) | 11:40 |
| b1airo | oneswig: i was thinking about how to structure things around this topic | 11:40 |
| b1airo | i think we need to break out specific areas as it's very broad | 11:40 |
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| oneswig | makes sense. Different standards / regulatory frameworks will have common requirements and common solutions | 11:41 |
| b1airo | there are also multiple layers in any solution to consider | 11:41 |
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| verdurin | b1airo: yes, data ingest, anonymization, data analysis etc. | 11:42 |
| oneswig | were you thinking of layers as human processes vs platform vs infrastructure? | 11:42 |
| b1airo | e.g. on the infra side you might need to have your OpenStack cloud implemented in a certain way and need specific controls in the environment, plus also ensure your deployment conforms to reporting requirements etc | 11:42 |
| b1airo | that'd be one good way of carving it, yes | 11:43 |
| verdurin | b1airo: yes, that was exactly the sort of discussion we were having last week | 11:43 |
| b1airo | verdurin: with your guests? | 11:44 |
| verdurin | b1airo: yes | 11:44 |
| oneswig | Seems like a good approach b1airo - go ahead and note it in the etherpad | 11:44 |
| oneswig | verdurin: any specific noteworthy items from that discussion? | 11:45 |
| b1airo | so then if you assume your underlying infra risks are well managed you need to move on to the tenant-level infra, guests, networks etc | 11:45 |
| verdurin | oneswig: don't think I'm allowed to say much publicly yet - will do as soon as I can | 11:45 |
| oneswig | controlled-access data in action :-) | 11:46 |
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| oneswig | We should leave some time for AOB - any other items to cover here for now? | 11:47 |
| b1airo | then you start getting more towards the application level and thinking about whether controlled data access is needed, plus how to get data screened and out of a controlled environment | 11:47 |
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| daveholland | also proper deletion: wiping TB+ volumes makes performance sad; is deleting the encryption key equivalent to deleting an encrypted volume; etc | 11:48 |
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| b1airo | plus lots of very specific, but important, points like that | 11:49 |
| oneswig | b1airo: it seems a lot of people delegate responsibility for data management to the users. Having trusted users bound by a usage agreement has to play a role here, doesn't it? Is it a non-starter if you don't have users you trust? | 11:50 |
| b1airo | i don't have wide knowledge of the various standards / requirements, but i think encryption at rest usually suffices for that daveholland | 11:50 |
| b1airo | oneswig: it does seem to be surprisingly common, but i don't think it flies when you start dealing with clinical or commercial data | 11:51 |
| oneswig | Providing controlled data to users you can't trust is where things get interesting and I guess that's what underpins the Monash project. | 11:52 |
| b1airo | you can't expect scientists to be able to implement best practice IT security | 11:52 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | You can’t, no. But making it easier for them to helps :-) | 11:53 |
| oneswig | I wonder if that's always true, when scientists know the data is sensitive. | 11:53 |
| b1airo | oneswig: it's a little bit analogous to the problem the bloomberg terminal solves i suppose | 11:53 |
| oneswig | what problem is that? | 11:53 |
| b1airo | data is the product | 11:54 |
| oneswig | ok, got it | 11:54 |
| b1airo | you want to "sell" it (let people use it), but not let them take it away | 11:54 |
| b1airo | en masse that is | 11:54 |
| oneswig | makes sense. | 11:55 |
| oneswig | We ought to move on - time and all that. | 11:55 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:55 |
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| b1airo | time to turn in that is | 11:56 |
| verdurin | I want to hear about daveholland and his mystery IPs | 11:56 |
| oneswig | #link Berlin CFP closes end of June! https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/call-for-presentations/ | 11:56 |
| oneswig | daveholland: any update? | 11:56 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Uh-oh. | 11:56 |
| daveholland | verdurin: looks like a hypervisor bug, many instances (but not all) on that hypervisor in this state. hypervisor logs "unexpected VIF plugged" event when the instance reboots (and the instance then has no NIC) | 11:57 |
| b1airo | is that a mistake? i feel like it can't be right. previous summits haven't closed 4 months before the actual conference have they? | 11:57 |
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| verdurin | oneswig: it does feel a bit previous | 11:57 |
| oneswig | b1airo: seems pretty harsh, who to ask - Jimmy? | 11:57 |
| daveholland | fortunately most of these instances are expendable (dev, or auto-scaled workers) so.... byebye | 11:57 |
| oneswig | daveholland: what does the virsh dumpxml say about network vifs? | 11:58 |
| verdurin | daveholland: good - grtbr | 11:58 |
| daveholland | if I get any closer to finding the cause I'll pass it on. But I need to dash now | 11:58 |
| oneswig | don't leave us hanging! | 11:58 |
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| verdurin | oneswig: do let us know if you hear about the submission date | 11:58 |
| b1airo | there's a stubborn sysadmin inside everyone huh | 11:59 |
| oneswig | verdurin: will do - I'll open that mail now | 11:59 |
| b1airo | looks like we're done | 11:59 |
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| b1airo | back to Cumulus upgrades... | 12:00 |
| oneswig | One other activity from the summit - two new code branches for Ceph RDMA to explore | 12:00 |
| oneswig | I'm on it... | 12:00 |
| b1airo | hmm sounds promising | 12:00 |
| oneswig | b1airo: thought you were turning in... | 12:00 |
| oneswig | we are out of time - final comments | 12:00 |
| b1airo | w00t - last comment | 12:01 |
| b1airo | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 12:01:26 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-06-06-11.00.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-06-06-11.00.txt | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-06-06-11.00.log.html | 12:01 |
| oneswig | thanks all | 12:01 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | None from me. Oh. And Swig. Found your email. Apols! | 12:01 |
| verdurin | Thanks and bye. | 12:01 |
| b1airo | g'night all | 12:01 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Night Blair | 12:02 |
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| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: never too late to reply :-) | 12:03 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 6 16:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Rollcall | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| smcginnis | ping DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:00 |
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| erlon_ | hey | 16:00 |
| ganso | hello | 16:00 |
| e0ne_ | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-rocky-meeting-agendas Agenda | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone. I will be your jungleboyj for today's festivities. | 16:01 |
| erlon_ | :P | 16:01 |
| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
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| e0ne_ | smcginnis: will you argue with yourself about Thursday? | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | e0ne_: Hehe :) | 16:02 |
| walshh | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | OK, guess we can get going... | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| smcginnis | Rocky-2 milestone deadline is tomorrow. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I need to actually check with jungleboyj on that, but I think we are in good shape. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Jay has also put up a set of patches marking drivers as unsupported for lack of CI. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:ci_unsupported | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I probably should add it as another agenda item to discuss, but I wanted to point out that one of the drivers in that set is the Brocade FCZM driver. | 16:04 |
| e0ne_ | smcginnis, jungleboyj: please, don't forget about releasing python-brick-cinderclient-ext for Rocky | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Personally, I would like to hold off on that one for awhile since we did give Cisco a lot of time for theirs. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: yes we are good. I will tag today. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | So if you have any opinions on that, please comment on the review. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Great. | 16:05 |
| e0ne_ | smcginnis: it means, we'll drop zomenanager... | 16:05 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | e0ne_: Well, ironically, the Cisco one is now reporting regularly. | 16:05 |
| e0ne_ | smcginnis: oh, it's a good news | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | That was my fear as well, but now we at least have one. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne_: will do. | 16:05 |
| e0ne_ | jungleboyj: thanks! | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | python-brick-cinderclient-ext is cycle-with-intermediary, not cycle-with-milestones, so at least process wise that could wait. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | But still good to get the recent fixes released. | 16:06 |
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| e0ne_ | smcginnis: +1 | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | That's all I had for announcements. Anyone know of any important announcements to bring up? | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Rocky Priorities | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky Priorities (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:09 | |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:09 |
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| kien-ha | hi | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I haven't reviewed this list too closely lately, but please take a look to see if anything needs review focus. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | kien-ha: Welcome | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | There are a few new driver patches outstanding, but tomorrow is the deadline to have those merged. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | And last I looked, most of the outstanding ones did not have CI up and stable yet. | 16:10 |
| e0ne_ | :( | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | On the plus side, there were a few that were added, so that's nice to see. | 16:11 |
| e0ne_ | +1 | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #topic Check-in on HA development progress | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Check-in on HA development progress (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:12 | |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I believe this is the weekly prod. :) | 16:12 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: lol | 16:12 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I only have 1 comment from tommylikehu in the devref | 16:13 |
| erlon_ | geguileo, SHOULD HAVE SOME MINE TOO | 16:13 |
| geguileo | I'm still waiting for other reviews | 16:13 |
| erlon_ | opss | 16:13 |
| tommylikehu | erlon add more | 16:13 |
| erlon_ | lol | 16:13 |
| geguileo | erlon_: oooops, I must have missed it | 16:13 |
| geguileo | my bad | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571242/ | 16:13 |
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| geguileo | erlon_: Oh, you added them today | 16:13 |
| geguileo | sorry, it's been a crazy day | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Should it be un-WIPd and doc build failures fixed? | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Just thinking that might get more reviews then. | 16:14 |
| geguileo | doc failures are my todo notes | 16:14 |
| erlon_ | usually does | 16:14 |
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| geguileo | I'd like to get some more input | 16:14 |
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| geguileo | and I'll go over current comments to fix things | 16:14 |
| geguileo | so a couple more eyes would be great to have | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | OK, please take a look and give geguileo feedback. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: Anything else we should discuss on the subject? | 16:15 |
| geguileo | not at the moment | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: OK, thanks! | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #topic Follow-up Topics from the Forum | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow-up Topics from the Forum (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:16 | |
| smcginnis | First, placement... | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-cinder-placement | 16:16 |
| erlon_ | still didnt have time to spent on that :/ | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Really wish this would have been recorded since there weren't a lot of Cinder folks there. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | But I think most of the concerns raised were addressed and answered. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | The biggest concern for me being the ability to design its use (if we choose to) such that we can run without it. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | In a clean way. | 16:17 |
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| geguileo | what's the big win for us? | 16:17 |
| geguileo | we don't have that many things to track... | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Having a common external data source rather than reimplementing what they have done into local DB access. | 16:18 |
| erlon_ | geguileo, can you recap why you -2 on the placement patch? | 16:18 |
| geguileo | and they are going to do the tracking like we do, in the DB | 16:18 |
| geguileo | erlon_: sure | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Anyone have a link to that patch handy? | 16:18 |
| tommylikehu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559718/ | 16:19 |
| geguileo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559718/ | 16:19 |
| e0ne_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559718/ | 16:19 |
| e0ne_ | :) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 16:19 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:19 |
| tommylikehu | it's easy to find out the -2 one from my lists | 16:19 |
| e0ne_ | smcginnis: please, choose only one | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Thanks. :D | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | Well, I don't want to spend too much time on it in the meeting, but just reminder that we should continue that discussion. | 16:20 |
| geguileo | My concerns are that we are going to introduce a new component that its basically doing what we were going to do in the schedulers to fix this | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | And probably address some of the comments on the patch. | 16:20 |
| geguileo | They are using the DB to avoid races and to have a single source of truth | 16:20 |
| geguileo | Same thing we were going to do | 16:20 |
| geguileo | but now we'll have an extra service (or N on HA) | 16:20 |
| geguileo | Which uses more resources and introduces additional delays | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: But rather than needing to implement all of the logic they already have in our own scheduler, when running in HA we can defer that to placement. | 16:21 |
| erlon_ | geguileo, I think the same | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | I would assume large deployments that are going to care about HA are going to be running it anyway for Nova, so it's one more config setting. | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | CERN has 20 instances running, for instance. | 16:22 |
| geguileo | and one more interconnection source of problems for us | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Vs more complexity in our scheduler. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Anyway, a lot of tradeoffs to consider here. | 16:23 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: +1 | 16:23 |
| erlon_ | e0ne_, you sent a spec for implementing that in the DB, how much change do you thing would be needed? | 16:23 |
| erlon_ | it does not seem too much | 16:23 |
| e0ne_ | erlon_: it was just an idea before I read about placement | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | e0ne_: Do you have a link to that patch too? | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Would be good for folks to get the full picture. | 16:23 |
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| e0ne_ | I thinks we shouldn't re-invent the wheel | 16:23 |
| e0ne_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/556529 | 16:24 |
| tommylikehu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556529/ | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Thank you | 16:24 |
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| e0ne_ | I'll abandon my patch in flavor of placement support | 16:24 |
| * geguileo fears this is going to be as good for Cinder as privsep was | 16:24 | |
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| erlon_ | e0ne_, Im just trying to measure the impact/size of both changes. If we are doing something Nova already doing in placement, but that is minimal, duplicating code it wouldnt be that much a concern | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Do you view privsep as a bad thing? | 16:25 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: privsep for OS-Brick has been the worst thing that has ever happened to us | 16:25 |
| geguileo | it serializes our requests | 16:26 |
| geguileo | as it can only run 1 thing at a time | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: I don't think those involved in the lock-setup upgrade of rootwrap changes would agree. | 16:26 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: but anyone doing multipathing in the real world would | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Anyway, let's move on since that was just one item in the list. :D | 16:26 |
| geguileo | ok | 16:27 |
| erlon_ | ok | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | HA Active/Active work | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR18-cinder-ha-forum | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Not sure if there was too much here to discuss. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | The need for docs was raised. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | One interesting question to me was someone asking about HA A/A for the backup service. | 16:27 |
| geguileo | I couldn't agree more with the docs comment XD | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:28 |
| geguileo | Backup already supports HA A/A | 16:28 |
| geguileo | Nothing to do there, job done | 16:28 |
| geguileo | rofl | 16:28 |
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| e0ne_ | :) | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Hah, I guess that points back to the need for more docs then. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | The other interesting/concerning thing in the session was an assumption by someone that HA A/A would provide performance scaling. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | I think we clarified that, but I was surprised by it. | 16:29 |
| geguileo | it could, since you have now multiple privseps | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Haha, OK, fair enough. :) | 16:30 |
| geguileo | };-) | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Cinder Documentation Work | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | hehe, nice | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR18-cinder-documentation-forum | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | I believe Jay is planning on devoting some time to this. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | We also had someone from Red Hat there that said their doc team was switching how they do things and would be getting more involved upstream. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | Which would be really nice. I forget the number, but they had a good number of people. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | One of the biggest issues raised was that the current docs have a lot of technical detail (when we actually have docs on something) but doesn't really guide folks on what they need and why. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | So I think they were going to work on making things more task driven rather than just a dump of config options and CLI examples. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | There was also the need for more standalone Cinder documentation. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | And how/where/why you would want to use that. | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | I think that's all from the Forum. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Would have been useful to have more Cinder folks present, but we'll see what happens now with the talk about events. | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | I will say, this one seemed a lot more Design Summit-ish than the last few. | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | But maybe that was partly flashbacks from the last Summit in Vancouver. :) | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | #topic Continued discussion on Reusing Cinder Drivers/cinder-lib | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | I was hoping we would have jgriffith and jungleboyj here. | 16:36 |
| erlon_ | lol, that is a fase in for the return of the joint summits/ptg | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | erlon_: Hah, maybe. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: The floor is yours. | 16:37 |
| * jaypipes shakes fist at other jungleboyj for having same first name. | 16:37 | |
| geguileo | I know that Hellen tested cinderlib | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | jaypipes: sorry. | 16:37 |
| geguileo | and it worked for VMAX on Rocky | 16:37 |
| jaypipes | jungleboyj: :) | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | walshh? | 16:38 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: yup | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | I am kind of peripherally here now. | 16:38 |
| walshh | yes, very happy with it | 16:38 |
| geguileo | anybody else had time to look at it? | 16:38 |
| e0ne_ | unfortunately, not :( | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Seems people are all over on supporting it. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | #chair jungleboyj | 16:38 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jungleboyj smcginnis | 16:38 |
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| erlon_ | walshh, did it worked cleanly? | 16:38 |
| e0ne_ | I hope to have some time to play with it next week | 16:38 |
| geguileo | e0ne_: awesome! | 16:39 |
| erlon_ | e0ne_, +1 | 16:39 |
| walshh | pretty much...since we have a rest interface to the VMAX we have no external dependencies | 16:39 |
| erlon_ | me too | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | walshh: what did you do? | 16:39 |
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| xyang | geguileo: have you updated your doc on what drivers are tested? | 16:40 |
| walshh | it was very easy to plug it in....very little intervention, just follow the readme | 16:40 |
| geguileo | xyang: no, I have to do that | 16:40 |
| geguileo | xyang: I'll also try to create instructions for each backend | 16:41 |
| erlon_ | geguileo, is there changes from BE to BE? | 16:41 |
| geguileo | walshh: could you send me the config you used (masking passwords and ips) so I can add it? | 16:41 |
| walshh | sure | 16:41 |
| xyang | geguileo: sounds good | 16:41 |
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| geguileo | erlon_: what's BE? r:-??? | 16:42 |
| erlon_ | backend | 16:42 |
| geguileo | rofl | 16:42 |
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| geguileo | only the configuration passed to the init changes | 16:42 |
| erlon_ | ok | 16:42 |
| geguileo | depending on the backend I may need to fix something | 16:42 |
| geguileo | like I had to do for Solidfire | 16:43 |
| geguileo | that required project_id and user_id to be filled in | 16:43 |
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| geguileo | erlon_: anything that doesn't work an expected, just let me know and I'll fix it | 16:43 |
| erlon_ | geguileo, hmm, I think some drivers also use volume type fields | 16:43 |
| erlon_ | how that is handled? | 16:43 |
| erlon_ | sure | 16:44 |
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| geguileo | erlon_: I'd have to check, I think it's a silly volume type with no extra specs | 16:44 |
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| geguileo | right now it's only covering the most basic case | 16:44 |
| erlon_ | ok | 16:45 |
| geguileo | later I'll add support for fancy stuff through the extra specs | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: are you the only one supporting this? | 16:46 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: right now yes | 16:46 |
| xyang | geguileo: has anyone tested Unity? | 16:46 |
| geguileo | it's a POC right now | 16:46 |
| geguileo | xyang: I don't think so | 16:46 |
| geguileo | basically I've tested | 16:46 |
| geguileo | xtremio, qnap, rbd, lvm, kaminario | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ok. If this starts having impacts on drivers this gets more complicated. | 16:47 |
| geguileo | then solidfire, and vmax have been tested | 16:47 |
| geguileo | and I did some basic testing on 3PAR | 16:47 |
| geguileo | I'll try to test 3PAR and Nimble soon | 16:47 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: the idea is not to impact the drivers | 16:47 |
| geguileo | drivers do their thing like they do for Cinder | 16:48 |
| xyang | geguileo: thanks | 16:48 |
| geguileo | I don't have access to other storage, so... | 16:48 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | So that fixes you're working on are all in Cinder lib. | 16:48 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: what fixes? the driver ones? | 16:48 |
| geguileo | yes | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. That is good. | 16:49 |
| geguileo | if there's a problem using cinderlib with a driver, what I fix is cinderlib | 16:49 |
| geguileo | because it's the one at fault | 16:49 |
| erlon_ | geguileo, that is, if the driver works on Cinder :p | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: cool. | 16:49 |
| geguileo | erlon_: precisely!!! | 16:49 |
| geguileo | erlon_: it's a good reference for me to know that it's my fault ;-) | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | New third party CI requirement? | 16:50 |
| erlon_ | lol | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Half joking, but half serious. The only way to know it would work right with all the drivers is if all the drivers are tested with it. | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: True. | 16:51 |
| geguileo | I think we could add it to the tempest run | 16:51 |
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| geguileo | and have it log the results but never fail even if it fails | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | But I think we have a ways to go for that yet. | 16:51 |
| geguileo | it would only take 1 minute or so more | 16:51 |
| erlon_ | smcginnis, if that still is a PoC does not make sense to even think about that now | 16:51 |
| geguileo | since everything is already deployed | 16:51 |
| ganso | make it non-voting | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | erlon_: Not now, but we are talking about making this a real CI'd thing in gate. | 16:52 |
| geguileo | The problem if we add a new job is that it requires deploying things, whereas running it in the same tempest job would skip the deployment time | 16:52 |
| tpsilva | but we don't need tempest for that, do we? | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: That is a good thing. | 16:53 |
| geguileo | tpsilva: we don't | 16:53 |
| erlon_ | smcginnis, and we would test against LVM? | 16:53 |
| geguileo | tpsilva: but if you are running tempest, then you already have everything you need in the controller node | 16:53 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: we could test agains LVM and Ceph | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: that would be a minimum starting point. | 16:54 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: OK, will start looking into that | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: Thanks. | 16:55 |
| geguileo | thank you all :-) | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I know you have concerns ... let thoughts? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | *other | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | Nah, nothing right now. | 16:56 |
| * erlon_ has a quick topic | 16:56 | |
| smcginnis | One more topic on the agenda and ~3 minutes left. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | #topic Enabling online extend tests by default on devstack | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. So plan going forward is geguileo will keep working on bugs and look into getting testing set up? | 16:57 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:57 |
| e0ne_ | jungleboyj: sounds reasonable | 16:57 |
| erlon_ | so, we are considering adding the online extend tests to run by default on tempest | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | erlon_: Type quick! :) | 16:58 |
| erlon_ | :) | 16:58 |
| erlon_ | should be quick | 16:58 |
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| erlon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572188 | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | That makes sense to me. Anyone know of drivers that do not support this? There shouldn't really be. | 16:58 |
| erlon_ | we support online extend by default, but does not test it | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Makes sense to test it. | 16:59 |
| erlon_ | smcginnis, some NetApp | 16:59 |
| erlon_ | we are working on the fix | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | erlon_: will it cause issues for them? | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | erlon_: Oh, right. | 16:59 |
| e0ne_ | will it work for nfs? | 16:59 |
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| erlon_ | e0ne_, yes | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | It would at least be good to know who needs to explicitly disable this. | 16:59 |
| e0ne_ | erlon_: great | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Should maybe send to the ML to get attention to it. | 17:00 |
| e0ne_ | smcginnis: +1 | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Times up. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: thanks for running things. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. Sorry we didn't have more time to discuss erlon_, but I think we can continue later. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 17:00:45 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| erlon_ | smcginnis, sure | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-06-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-06-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-06-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 6 21:01:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
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| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:01 |
| alecuyer | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
| rledisez | o/ | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | welcome, all | 21:01 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure if this meeting will be really short or really long | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | there's nothing specific on the agenda for this week | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | so... | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | what's up? anything to bring up this week in the meeting? | 21:02 |
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| rledisez | LOSF, here it is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571763/ ;) | 21:03 |
| kota_ | lol, agenda is only open discussion | 21:03 |
| notmyname | alecuyer: when can we see more LSOF code in gerrit? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | oh nice! | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | that... is a really big patch ;-) | 21:03 |
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| alecuyer | it is here, Romain kicked me until I pushed it ;) I am not happy with everything in there.. but, | 21:03 |
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| tdasilva | passes probe tests ;) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: lol | 21:03 |
| alecuyer | it applies to master, and it does run | 21:04 |
| rledisez | i guess something is wrong then ;) | 21:04 |
| tdasilva | rledisez: lol | 21:04 |
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| alecuyer | the patch is not so big | 21:04 |
| alecuyer | I mean, there are generated files there | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | it's only half as big as sharding. it's tiny! ;-) | 21:04 |
| acoles | rledisez: alecuyer I started reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447129/10 today | 21:04 |
| alecuyer | acoles: ok, thanks! | 21:05 |
| rledisez | acoles: thx! it needs some more work, but an opinion on the way it does things is really welcomed | 21:05 |
| alecuyer | notmyname: it touches much less existing files than before. And the kvfile.py is down from about 4000 lines (diskfile.py copy) to about a 1000 (inherits from classes in diskfile) | 21:05 |
| acoles | rledisez: it seems heading the right way, I'll post some comments tomorrow I hope | 21:06 |
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| rledisez | acoles: if you see a better way to patch tests, i'll take it. for now i'm not really happy with the way I did it | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | Wow nice work, /me will definitely be a coffee before I starting tho | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | *need | 21:07 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: +1, me too | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: alecuyer: this is great to see. I know you have been working on the migration in your clusters, but you weren't planning on sharing that custom work | 21:09 |
| notmyname | in general, how does this work in the sense of migrating to it (or away from it) | 21:10 |
| rledisez | we only planned one way: to it ;) | 21:10 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | I've been thinking on the ordering of things, and LSOF vs getting rid of rsync is the big question. seems to me that with an rsync replacement, we may be able to more easily move to a different on-disk format | 21:11 |
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| rledisez | the migration is done in-place. sending new write to losf, but reading both from losf and filesystem. and a process scan the filesystem to write to losf | 21:11 |
| rledisez | the downside of that migration process is that it disable the REPLICATE command, so no rebalance/reconstruction while a server is being converted | 21:12 |
| rledisez | I let alecuyer talk more in details if needed | 21:12 |
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| alecuyer | well, what your said is correct ;) | 21:12 |
| rledisez | alecuyer: do you think it would be possible to improve the in-place migration? notmyname: would you be interrested with that. | 21:12 |
| rledisez | ? | 21:12 |
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| torgomatic_ | I'm sort of surprised you don't just use replication to do it. Take a node out of the ring, reconfigure it for LOSF, put it back in, and wait... | 21:13 |
| rledisez | torgomatic_: the issue is the time it would take. the concerned cluster basically does not work anymore, at least for anything related to replication. it is so slow that it timeout fro everytwhere (think 5, even 10 or 20 minutes for a REPLICATE request) | 21:14 |
| notmyname | honestly, my personal concern is coordinating the work so that we don't do too much and once and not make progress on anything. we know the LSOF needs migration, but also that there's other planned work ("tsync" that may help). but LSOF is obviously further along | 21:15 |
| alecuyer | Well it could be improved, probably REPLICATE could be supported but I don't know if it's a good general purpose tool | 21:15 |
| alecuyer | for migration | 21:15 |
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| alecuyer | notmyname: yes. I would be happy to get feedback before I work further on this version, if we can agree on a way to do things | 21:16 |
| alecuyer | (lots of work still, tests… etc) | 21:16 |
| torgomatic_ | I mean, in-place migration is definitely going to be better; I was just being lazy and considering ways to avoid work ;) | 21:16 |
| torgomatic_ | also, at some point I got the LOSF RPC server up and running, and I made a branch in vagrant-swift-all-in-one with the necessary dependencies, so that may be a good starting point for anyone else wanting to poke at it | 21:17 |
| notmyname | alecuyer: that's why I'm glad you've pushed code before it's "perfect" so we can work on figuring it out together | 21:17 |
| torgomatic_ | #link https://github.com/swiftstack/vagrant-swift-all-in-one/tree/losf | 21:17 |
| notmyname | torgomatic_: nice, thanks | 21:17 |
| alecuyer | notmyname: yes, far from perfect which made it hard to push ;) but here it is and I'll work to make it better | 21:18 |
| kota_ | nice | 21:18 |
| alecuyer | torgomatic_: there are some changes in the golang code in this version, but the way to build it has not changed | 21:18 |
| alecuyer | and ill look at the vagrant :) | 21:19 |
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| rledisez | an other interesting question is "grpcio==1.3.3" (can't upgrade grpcio because of eventlet) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ah right | 21:20 |
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| torgomatic_ | is there a library out there that only does the gRPC encoding and decoding, but leaves the IO up to the user? | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | rledisez: do you know if the evenlet issue has been fixed in a recent version of grpcio? | 21:22 |
| alecuyer | they have a patch to make grpc work with gevent https://github.com/grpc/grpc/issues/4629 but not eventlet | 21:22 |
| * torgomatic_ is not familiar with the gRPC ecosystem | 21:22 | |
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| alecuyer | torgomatic_do you mean, use protobuf and something else for network communication ? | 21:23 |
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| torgomatic_ | alecuyer: yes | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | rledisez: nevermind, was under false impression... | 21:24 |
| torgomatic_ | like I said, though, I don't know much about this ecosystem, so that may be an absolutely terrible idea | 21:25 |
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| alecuyer | torgomatic_: we could do that, they're separate libraries. So it's not a terrible idea at all. I started with grpc at a time where it worked fine… then it broke after 1.3.1. | 21:26 |
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| alecuyer | On the other hand, I also wonder if we need eventlet on the object servers | 21:26 |
| notmyname | alecuyer: eventually, we definitely want to remove that, too | 21:26 |
| notmyname | again, just a matter of figuring out the right order to do stuff :-) | 21:26 |
| alecuyer | right :) | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | is this a good summary? alecuyer has proposed the remainder of the LSOF code, but it's definitely a WIP. alecuyer will look at torgomatic_'s saio work to get it running. torgomatic_ will likely be looking at the patch, but others should too. especially to think about migrations | 21:28 |
| notmyname | there's the higher level question of LSOF migrations and how that should be ordered against tsync work (ie remove rsync) | 21:28 |
| alecuyer | I think it's a good summary. I would add, before thinking about migrations, that I would like to have input on the general design, if there are things you feel should be done differently | 21:29 |
| kota_ | sounds good to me. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | alecuyer: right! | 21:29 |
| alecuyer | I do have a few specific questions, but maybe I can put that in the review and we discuss this outside the meeting | 21:29 |
| notmyname | yes | 21:30 |
| notmyname | does anyone else have questions for alecuyer and rledisez about LSOF right now? | 21:30 |
| rledisez | notmyname: what is the status of tsync? is there something in progress (eg: https://github.com/swiftstack/tsync). nothing started yet? how big do you think it will be? (tsync is quite small, but not complete) | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: there's lots of good ideas for tsync, but nothing really done right now | 21:31 |
| acoles | alecuyer: review discussion can be hard to follow - gerrit is not great for that. another idea might be an etherpad. also not great, but discussion persists there beyond each patchset. | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | Nice work guys, and thanks alecuyer for pushing it up as it is! | 21:31 |
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| alecuyer | acoles: right, I will make an etherpad page | 21:32 |
| rledisez | notmyname: ack | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: see also https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-rebalance from the ideas wiki | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | ideas wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas | 21:33 |
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| rledisez | yeah, I remember that, nicely analyzed :) | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | acoles, alecuyer we could also have a video meetup if folks like that idea | 21:34 |
| alecuyer | finally and I'll stop tallking about this unless you have questions :) there's a readme to get it running https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571763/2/README.LOSF | 21:35 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I feel like we should spend some time looking at the code first. but it's definitely a good idea | 21:35 |
| notmyname | is there anything else to bring up in the meeting today? | 21:36 |
| notmyname | or shall we call it done? | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: yep, agree. | 21:36 |
| kota_ | wait | 21:36 |
| notmyname | kota_: what's up? | 21:36 |
| kota_ | just a small note | 21:36 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/564700/ | 21:36 |
| kota_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/564700/ | 21:36 |
| kota_ | i recently has been working on setting up s3api compatibility check with timburke | 21:37 |
| kota_ | and it's close to get successful with any gates. | 21:37 |
| kota_ | and I like to add it as the gate job (even it's non-voting) | 21:37 |
| kota_ | if you have any opinions to that, please let me know at the patch. | 21:37 |
| kota_ | it will creates like... | 21:38 |
| kota_ | http://logs.openstack.org/00/564700/27/check/swift-tox-func-s3api-ceph-s3tests-tempauth/2742951/output/ceph-s3-summary.log | 21:38 |
| notmyname | I like it. thanks | 21:39 |
| kota_ | i think it's worth to know which s3 apis are supported at the commit. | 21:39 |
| mattoliverau | +1 nice work | 21:39 |
| kota_ | just a notification from me :) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | kota_: oh, I moved https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571561/ to swift from swift3. so it puts the s3 compat info in the docs | 21:40 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:40 |
| timburke | ugh... that reminds me: i've got a whole bunch of patches i need to move... | 21:40 |
| notmyname | speaking of patches (and our review change last week)... | 21:40 |
| kota_ | notmyname: is it ready to review? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | does anyone have any patches that need extra eyes (ie more than 1 +2)? | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | kota_: yes | 21:41 |
| kota_ | notmyname: i think you added workflow -1 at the swift3 for some reasons. | 21:41 |
| notmyname | kota_: correct. in part because of the planned move. in part because I was being silly | 21:41 |
| notmyname | kota_: that is, I had reasons that I've changed my mind on since then | 21:41 |
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| kota_ | got it. I'll take a look. | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | thanks | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | I'm not seeing anyone else raise other issues to discuss this week | 21:42 |
| m_kazuhiro | I think patch 517389 is ready for review. | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | ah, sorry. I didnt' move patchbot in here | 21:43 |
| m_kazuhiro | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517389/ | 21:43 |
| m_kazuhiro | Oops, merge conflict... | 21:43 |
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| m_kazuhiro | Sorry I will fix it soon. But I think the patch can be reviewed. | 21:44 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:44 |
| notmyname | I think we're done, then | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming. and thanks for your work on swift | 21:44 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 21:45:07 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-06-06-21.01.html | 21:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-06-06-21.01.txt | 21:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-06-06-21.01.log.html | 21:45 |
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