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| samP | Hi all for masakari | 03:00 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi | 03:00 |
| nsingh | hi | 03:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 03:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 12 03:00:39 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 03:00 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: hi | 03:00 |
| samP | nsingh: hi | 03:00 |
| samP | Let's start | 03:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Tushar San will join in a min | 03:01 |
| samP | #topic High priority items | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High priority items (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 03:01 | |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: got it. thanks | 03:01 |
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| samP | We will get space for discuss masakari on Denver PTG on Sep. | 03:02 |
| samP | I didn't ask for full day, but a 1/2 day | 03:02 |
| tpatil | I agree 1/2 day discussion would be enough | 03:03 |
| samP | I will update you all about PTG schedule | 03:03 |
| samP | tpatil: yep. We could continue our discussion in general places if needed | 03:04 |
| samP | Any other High priority items? | 03:04 |
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| samP | if not let's go to bugs and patches, | 03:05 |
| samP | #topic bugs and patches | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs and patches (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 03:05 | |
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| samP | Any important bug or patches to discuss? | 03:05 |
| tpatil | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1773132 | 03:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1773132 in masakari "masakari-engine runs recovery twice for one notification when disconnection with rabbitmq" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 03:06 |
| tpatil | sorry, I haven't started working on this bug. Will make some progress in this week | 03:06 |
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| samP | tpatil: thanks for working on this. | 03:07 |
| samP | tpatil: np | 03:07 |
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| samP | no update for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534958/ | 03:08 |
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| samP | may be because of the summit. Let's wait for the updates. | 03:09 |
| samP | There are some patches need to review. I will try my best to finish review them in this 2 weeks. | 03:10 |
| samP | if no other bugs or patches to discuss, let move to next topic | 03:11 |
| samP | #topic Discussion points | 03:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion points (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 03:11 | |
| samP | (1) Horizon Plugin | 03:11 |
| samP | patches are waiting to review. | 03:12 |
| samP | We are planning to release this in Rocky. | 03:12 |
| tpatil | I have started reviewing those patches | 03:12 |
| nsingh | i am working on review comments. | 03:13 |
| samP | need to release minor version soon, to indicate that we have release candidate. | 03:13 |
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| samP | plus to check the release jobs | 03:13 |
| samP | I will prepare a release and let you know. | 03:13 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks. | 03:13 |
| samP | nsingh: thank you..and great work! | 03:14 |
| nsingh | samP: thank you :) | 03:14 |
| samP | (2) recovery method customization | 03:14 |
| samP | Thanks for update. I will review this. | 03:14 |
| samP | nsingh: np | 03:15 |
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| samP | (3) Ansible support | 03:15 |
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| samP | As tpatil pointed out, we need to update docs with latest install methods. | 03:16 |
| samP | specially, now we have ansible plugins, dashboard | 03:16 |
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| tpatil | docs patch for ansible is uploaded but the functional tests are still failing | 03:17 |
| samP | Let's take some time to discuss those, once we done with implementations. | 03:17 |
| tpatil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572264/ | 03:17 |
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| samP | tpatil: got it. I was mentioning about masakari side docs. | 03:19 |
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| tpatil | samP: Yes, I got it. Lot of things to do for documentation | 03:20 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568811/ | 03:20 |
| samP | I think this is the failing functional tests | 03:21 |
| samP | tpatil: agree | 03:21 |
| tpatil | Correct, that's the one | 03:23 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 03:23 |
| samP | I will take a look on this, but not sure how much help I can be. Please let me know if you need any specific help on this. | 03:25 |
| nsingh | we need test environment. Currently not able to test masakari ansible role in my env. | 03:25 |
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| nsingh | Testing needs a fresh env everytime. | 03:26 |
| samP | nsingh: got it. Is that the same requirement form tpatil? | 03:26 |
| samP | I thinks it it... | 03:26 |
| nsingh | yes | 03:26 |
| tpatil | samP: yes | 03:26 |
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| samP | nsingh: tpatil: I am currently working on this. I still need 1-2 days to fix the env | 03:27 |
| samP | I will share those info asap.. | 03:27 |
| nsingh | ok thank you | 03:27 |
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| samP | nsingh: tpatil: really sorry for the delay... | 03:28 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 03:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 03:28 | |
| samP | any other topics? | 03:28 |
| samP | About the project Mascot | 03:29 |
| samP | I contacted Kendall, and he said, designers were busy with summit, but now they start again working on mascots | 03:31 |
| samP | we will get it soon.. | 03:31 |
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| samP | if no other topics, lets finish today's meeting | 03:32 |
| tpatil | Nothing from my end | 03:32 |
| samP | I may also use openstack-dev ML with [masakari] or IRC #openstack-masakari on freenode for further discussion. | 03:32 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 03:33 |
| samP | Thank you all for attending today's meeting | 03:33 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 03:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 03:33 | |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Thanks to all | 03:33 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 12 03:33:24 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-06-12-03.00.html | 03:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-06-12-03.00.txt | 03:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-06-12-03.00.log.html | 03:33 |
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| psahoo | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 09:41 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 12 09:41:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is psahoo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:41 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:41 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 09:41 |
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| frickler | psahoo: looks like your meeting doesn't really happen, would you mind to end it? | 14:05 |
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| psahoo | frickler, Yes please end it. I was trying to add calendar notification, but it was execute by mistake. Please ignore it | 14:21 |
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| frickler | #endmeeting | 14:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 12 14:21:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2018/operators_telco_nfv.2018-06-12-09.41.html | 14:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2018/operators_telco_nfv.2018-06-12-09.41.txt | 14:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2018/operators_telco_nfv.2018-06-12-09.41.log.html | 14:21 |
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| fungi | mmmeeting | 19:00 |
| clarkb | indeed | 19:00 |
| clarkb | anyone else here for the infra meeting? | 19:00 |
| fungi | nobody in here but us chickens | 19:01 |
| corvus | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 12 19:01:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | The openstack summit berlin CFP opened. Feel free to submit to that. I'm happy to review submissions if you want extra eyeballs on them too | 19:02 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | Also I've been asked to point out that the openstack user survey is open now. If you run an openstack cloud they love to hear from you | 19:03 |
| clarkb | oh I didn't set the topic to announcements | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| clarkb | #info The openstack summit berlin CFP opened. Feel free to submit to that. I'm happy to review submissions if you want extra eyeballs on them too | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #info I've been asked to point out that the openstack user survey is open now. If you run an openstack cloud they love to hear from you | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-06-05-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | I don't see any | 19:05 |
| clarkb | #topic Specs Approval | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| clarkb | mordred: any chance that your spec will be up soon and we can try and focus on it? | 19:06 |
| clarkb | (its not an easy spec to write so I don't want to rush just curious where its at) | 19:06 |
| mordred | yes! I swear | 19:06 |
| fungi | i guess i can probably push up a change to move the limesurvey spec to completed now that the system-config docs for it have merged | 19:06 |
| clarkb | fungi: that would be great, thanks | 19:07 |
| cmurphy | these are also up for review https://review.openstack.org/563592 https://review.openstack.org/449933 | 19:07 |
| clarkb | I'm beginning to think that devoting a good chunk of ptg time to this modernization of config mgmt will be helpful so making sure we are ready to proceed there would be good | 19:08 |
| anteaya | thank you | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/563592 Upgrade to puppet 4 | 19:08 |
| corvus | clarkb: that's a great idea | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #undo | 19:08 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/563592 | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | I think I got the links backwards /me tries to get them right | 19:08 |
| cmurphy | yeah the other one | 19:09 |
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| anteaya | fungi and ianw thanks for the reviews | 19:09 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563592/ Mark puppet4 prelim testing spec as done | 19:09 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/449933 upgrade to puppet 4 | 19:09 |
| clarkb | #info Clarkb's current thought process is work through config management modernization spec this summer so that we can devote PTG time to working on it | 19:10 |
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| cmurphy | i'm banking on my side being done long before ptg | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | cmurphy: ya I think that is doable | 19:11 |
| mordred | cmurphy: I wouldn't be surprised if your bit is done before I finish updating the spec | 19:11 |
| * mordred sighs | 19:11 | |
| cmurphy | mordred: lol | 19:11 |
| clarkb | cmurphy: mordred: anything else we can help with in the near future? | 19:12 |
| anteaya | mordred, have you considered putting what you have in an etherpad so others can help with the first draft? | 19:12 |
| cmurphy | clarkb: there are some easy-ish puppet-4 fixups in topic:puppet-4 if you want to help clear my queue | 19:13 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:puppet-4+status:open clear out cmurphy's puppet4 queue | 19:13 |
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| cmurphy | and feedback on https://review.openstack.org/572856 https://review.openstack.org/572861 and https://review.openstack.org/572218 would be good, those should be noops | 19:14 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572856/ https://review.openstack.org/572861 https://review.openstack.org/572218 noop changes for puppet 4 | 19:14 |
| cmurphy | there are a few modules i want to get proper tests for like puppet-nodepool but some of the other nodes we could start migrating nowish, just need to coordinate with rooters | 19:15 |
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| mordred | clarkb: not on my end - I need to throw _something_ up for comment | 19:15 |
| clarkb | cmurphy: ok, I'll make an effort to get through the review backlog today on that topic | 19:15 |
| cmurphy | tyty | 19:15 |
| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:15 | |
| clarkb | It was a busy week last week. Or maybe ending friday with firefighting makes it feel that way. | 19:16 |
| clarkb | The good news is that we have managed to update nodepool with a fairly large change to its schema and zuul is now running with ansible 2.5 | 19:17 |
| corvus | there are some problems. some jobs are failing with permission errors on /tmp/console-None. we're working through these in #zuul. i think we at least understand the problem now. | 19:17 |
| corvus | and we have some partial fixes standing by | 19:17 |
| anteaya | yay? | 19:17 |
| clarkb | If people have questions about weird job behavior sharing that will zuul is important to make sure that zuul covers all the corner cases here | 19:17 |
| mordred | it's ... fun | 19:17 |
| corvus | yeah, any more cases of console-None would be helpful to know about | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | I'd also like to remind the group that if there is interst in picking up some of the stuff Paul was working on that would be helpful. Specifically Gerrit 2.15 upgrade, zuul/nodepool zk cluster migration, and control plane upgrades | 19:20 |
| clarkb | You don't have to pick it all off either :) any help is helpful | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | We also have new cloud credentials for bringing on a platform9 managed cloud running in packet | 19:21 |
| clarkb | if you are interested in going through the bring a new cloud online process let me or fungi know. | 19:21 |
| clarkb | otherwise I expect I'll work on that | 19:21 |
| corvus | clarkb: can you say words about 'platform9' and 'packet' that will help me understand their use in that sentence? | 19:21 |
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| fungi | oh, yep, if anyone is interested in picking up the packethost/platform9 nodepool provider addition from me, lmk. it's all set up in clouds.yaml now but we still need mirror/cache server and some initial testing | 19:22 |
| mordred | corvus: I had much the same thought :) | 19:22 |
| clarkb | corvus: platform9 is running a openstack cloud on packethost hardware for us to use for test resources | 19:22 |
| clarkb | right now it is just x86 hardware but packet also has arm64 stuff that we may get access to aiui | 19:22 |
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| corvus | clarkb: is it our own cloud, or a shared cloud? | 19:22 |
| clarkb | corvus: it is our own cloud aiui | 19:23 |
| fungi | they're gunning for the minimal 100 node quota from the start, so it'll be a helpful addition if we can get it up | 19:23 |
| anteaya | does this cloud have a corresponding geographical location? | 19:23 |
| fungi | it's in the republic of texas, i believe | 19:23 |
| anteaya | thank you | 19:23 |
| anteaya | hopefully away from a flood plain | 19:24 |
| fungi | might be in mordred | 19:24 |
| ianw | fungi: i can bring up mirror server today if you like, then you can test easier during US hours? | 19:24 |
| fungi | mordred's basement? | 19:24 |
| clarkb | corvus: the layering here makes it a little weird. our openstack is running within their baremetal cloud | 19:24 |
| clarkb | corvus: but the openstack we talk to is only for us | 19:24 |
| anteaya | anything is possible for both mordred and texas | 19:24 |
| corvus | platform9 buys packet bare-metal-servers-as-a-service and manages openstack clouds on them? | 19:24 |
| ianw | i imagine it's better to turn it on when people are awake | 19:24 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:24 |
| fungi | ianw: well, i haven't written a change to configure the mirror server yet (i think i need to do that next?) | 19:24 |
| mordred | fungi: if it's in my basement, I suppose I'll need to try to figure out where a basement might be hiding | 19:24 |
| corvus | mordred: it's the room with all the fire ants | 19:25 |
| fungi | a.k.a. "storm cellar" | 19:25 |
| mordred | corvus: there is NOT enough room in that room to keep servers | 19:25 |
| mordred | do you know how many fire ants there are? | 19:25 |
| clarkb | fungi: ianw I don't think we need a new change for that, just to boot the instance | 19:25 |
| ianw | fungi: if the creds are in puppetmaster, it should just follow our standard host bringup? | 19:25 |
| * fungi is now reminded of the scene from pi where the protagonist is finding ants crawling on the server's processors | 19:25 | |
| anteaya | flee to the boat | 19:26 |
| clarkb | the other step that would be helpful soonish is having nodepool upload images to it so that we can run performance tests on it with our real images (or we can just upload one out of band) | 19:26 |
| fungi | ianw: yeah, it's already in there | 19:26 |
| fungi | ianw: i suppose it's just cacti which needs adding | 19:26 |
| fungi | (once the server is launched and in dns) | 19:26 |
| clarkb | corvus: this sort of nested openstack is apparently a semi common thing in the wild | 19:27 |
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| ianw | fungi: yep, also assuming no other weird corner case things are triggered, which is not out of the realms of possibility :) | 19:27 |
| fungi | it _is_ openstack, after all ;) | 19:28 |
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| ianw | i'm making some progress on some grafana & monitoring things | 19:29 |
| ianw | http://grafana02.openstack.org/d/ACtl1JSmz/afs?orgId=1&from=now-7d&to=now | 19:29 |
| clarkb | ianw: I was going to ask, will you be switching grafana.o.o to the new 02 host adn delete the old one? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | or is that still a work in progress | 19:30 |
| ianw | corvus & auristor's suggestion of tracking the creation time of readonly volumes got me what i wanted in "how long since we released a volume" | 19:30 |
| ianw | clarkb: i'm finding it quite handy to hack on that with puppet disabled ATM, while i sort out adding some new things to grafyaml, so WIP | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | ok | 19:30 |
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| ianw | if i could get one more sanity check on the puppet for that would be good -> https://review.openstack.org/573493 | 19:31 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/573493 Puppet for afs monitoring on mirror-update | 19:32 |
| clarkb | ianw: did you have to edit the firewall rules? if so did that get pushed up as a change as well? | 19:32 |
| ianw | i also have a nodepool one for fixing up the dib-image-list / image-list output with a browser, something i'm fairly frequently pointing people too. i know we've got other dashboard stuff in the works, but good to have it working now | 19:32 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/573053/ | 19:33 |
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| ianw | clarkb: yeah, i did the firewall rules a while ago when first testing | 19:33 |
| clarkb | ianw: for the how long ago did $volume release if we can icnlude the frequency of releases on that volume too that might be helpful | 19:35 |
| clarkb | and whether or not that will update even if the mirror has no new content | 19:35 |
| ianw | i think that the "vos release" will always create a new R/O volume; it's the creation time of that which is being tracked | 19:36 |
| ianw | i'm sure that with some more data, you could do some graphite derivative() type thing to track the "acceleration" of results? | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | ya that might be what we want | 19:38 |
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| fungi | oh, speaking of afs i have a change up to provide an example of a manual content alteration (e.g., deleting some files) | 19:38 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/572821 Document an example for deleting content from AFS | 19:38 |
| ianw | it is basically a stair-graph where we're putting in the unix timestamp of the creation date each stats run | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | Unrelated to AFS I've started work to have zuul run jobs for kata. | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | #link https://github.com/kata-containers/proxy/pull/74 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/573748/ | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | Right now I'm waiting on vexxhost to get nested virt deployed, but otherwise I Think it is mostly working. Rough plan is to use this as a "here it can work for you" proof of concept and if kata want to move foward we would deploy them in their own tenant | 19:41 |
| clarkb | current test is running as third party check pipeline job in openstack tenant | 19:41 |
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| corvus | clarkb: sounds like a plan. any blockers there? | 19:42 |
| clarkb | corvus: we'll want to clean up the zuul + github behavior I found (that I promised a bug for that I need to write) | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | otherwise just waiting for cloud resources I think | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I'm told those will be available this week | 19:42 |
| clarkb | as an exercise it is interesting to work in CI tooling from a project that doesn't share a background with the ones we work in | 19:44 |
| clarkb | your assumptions have to change, and lack of set -x is frightening :) | 19:44 |
| anteaya | clarkb, I'd be interesting in what assumptions you discovered you were carrying | 19:45 |
| clarkb | the good news is that things like our distro mirrors appear to have just worked | 19:45 |
| anteaya | clarkb, doesn't have to be now | 19:45 |
| clarkb | anteaya: ya can talk to that outside the meeting | 19:45 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:45 |
| clarkb | Anything else before I open the floor? | 19:46 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | We had a bunch of rain and now a bunch of sun and my allergies are going crazy. So I may be a bit slow for a bit while the plants assult my immune system | 19:47 |
| anteaya | :( | 19:47 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I've been having a similar experience | 19:47 |
| anteaya | as a Canadian citizen I have learned I am now being attacked by the US exective | 19:48 |
| anteaya | which is new for me | 19:48 |
| anteaya | so I am defending myself | 19:48 |
| clarkb | anteaya: the rest of us still like canada | 19:48 |
| anteaya | not that anyone here will be surprised by this | 19:48 |
| anteaya | clarkb, I know | 19:48 |
| anteaya | which is why my defence is only in response to the attack | 19:49 |
| anteaya | noone else | 19:49 |
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| anteaya | clarkb, and thank you | 19:49 |
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| * fungi secedes from the usa and offers his yard up as a new canadian territory | 19:49 | |
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| anteaya | fungi, thank you | 19:50 |
| anteaya | fungi plant a cactus in my name? | 19:50 |
| clarkb | well if there is nothing else, I think we can talk secession in other channels and I can get lunch 10 minutes early :) | 19:50 |
| clarkb | thank you everyone. | 19:50 |
| anteaya | thank you clarkb | 19:50 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 12 19:50:45 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-06-12-19.01.html | 19:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-06-12-19.01.txt | 19:50 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-06-12-19.01.log.html | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | OH! I'm reminded of one last thing | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | tomorrow at 1900UTC jbryce will be joining #openstack-infra to start discussing the winterstack naming process from a formal process standpoint | 19:53 |
| anteaya | thanks clarkb | 19:53 |
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| ianw | clarkb: basically same time tomorrow right? | 20:06 |
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| clarkb | ianw: yep | 20:06 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 12 21:00:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Think I got the spelling right this week... | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_June_12th_2018 | 21:00 |
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| janders | g'day everyone | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Hello - Jacob? | 21:02 |
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| janders | yes, that's me :) | 21:02 |
| janders | how are you Stig? | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | Good, but busy... | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Rolling out a deploy of bare metal + IB, as it happens... | 21:03 |
| oneswig | (although we are not onto the interesting bits yet) | 21:03 |
| janders | sounds familiar :) that'd do it to you | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | How's your work going? | 21:04 |
| janders | I keep hearing new MOFED with eth_ipoib will be out soon (even if only a beta) | 21:04 |
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| janders | it's good. I've been focusing mostly on the networking lately, running into un-interesting ethernet problems... (solved) | 21:04 |
| oneswig | I'm quite pleased we decided not to depend on it. | 21:04 |
| janders | I read through your solution - clever! :) | 21:05 |
| oneswig | All ethernet problems are interesting, in the right audience :-) | 21:05 |
| janders | the more interesting part is multirail | 21:05 |
| oneswig | thanks janders - borne of necessity | 21:05 |
| janders | I got it working, though there are some "interesting" issues | 21:05 |
| janders | have you ever tried multirail IB with Ironic? | 21:06 |
| oneswig | No. We only have one NIC and we use one port as IB and the other as Ethernet | 21:06 |
| janders | I need it for 1) storage 2) AI (DGX) systems | 21:06 |
| oneswig | What happens? | 21:06 |
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| janders | the issue I'm seeing is - if I have multiple IB ports defined, instance creation fails | 21:06 |
| janders | "neutron timeout" | 21:06 |
| janders | (though no errors in neutron) | 21:07 |
| oneswig | dug any deeper? | 21:07 |
| janders | however if I have one ironic port on instance creation and add the other three after - that works and I can attach ports OK | 21:07 |
| b1airo | Morning. A bit hectic here, need 10 mins to get kids organised... | 21:07 |
| janders | I suspect something between neutron server and NEO. I need to chat to my mlnx friends.. | 21:07 |
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| janders | good morning Blair | 21:08 |
| oneswig | I was wondering if you were getting the wrong "MAC" for DHCP on the wrong physical rail | 21:08 |
| oneswig | Hey b1airo | 21:08 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 21:08 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 21:08 |
| martial_ | Hi Stig, Blair | 21:08 |
| oneswig | aha, hi martial_ | 21:08 |
| oneswig | #chair martial_ | 21:08 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial_ oneswig | 21:08 |
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| oneswig | How many DockerCons have you been to this year martial_? :-) | 21:08 |
| martial_ | two this year :) | 21:08 |
| martial_ | Federal one + the real US one ... not the EU one | 21:09 |
| oneswig | Can't get enough of the stuff, eh... | 21:09 |
| martial_ | something like that :) | 21:09 |
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| oneswig | How's the level of interest in GPU/AI/ML (and by some extension, HPC)? | 21:10 |
| martial_ | will tell you when it really start (ie tomorrow) | 21:11 |
| oneswig | Ah, the calm before the storm. | 21:11 |
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| oneswig | Has DataMachines got a booth? | 21:11 |
| martial_ | today is more see who is out there, what ... | 21:11 |
| martial_ | OpenStack has a booth | 21:11 |
| martial_ | DMC does not | 21:12 |
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| oneswig | You're manning the OpenStack booth? | 21:12 |
| martial_ | The scientific effort will be in a SIG tomorrow. I will attend | 21:12 |
| martial_ | I am not, Chris Hoge and others are | 21:12 |
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| oneswig | Something I don't know, what's the overlap between Kata and Docker? Lots? None? | 21:13 |
| janders | this DockerCon SIG meeting sounds interesting - maybe it's something we could add to next week's agenda for this meeting? :) | 21:14 |
| martial_ | some, kata is a container solution native to OpenStack, Docker is still not | 21:14 |
| oneswig | I'm guessing the images are different, given the Kata ones are booted rather than started | 21:14 |
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| janders | this reminds me of something from the Vancouver Summit that might be worth mentioning | 21:15 |
| martial_ | I will tell you after I talk to the people of the SIG (Christine and Christian are going to be there) | 21:15 |
| b1airo | Yes, but you can make a Kata container from a Docker image I believe | 21:15 |
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| janders | some of you have attended the DK Panda's talk on the last day | 21:15 |
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| janders | he was talking about optimising overheads in containers | 21:15 |
| martial_ | yes, same as CharlieCloud or Singularity (or docker save to tar) | 21:15 |
| oneswig | martial_: conversely, thanks to Kolla, OpenStack runs natively well on Docker (once you disable all that networking...) | 21:15 |
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| janders | I had to leave early to attend a meeting so didn't get to ask this question but where did he see these overheads? | 21:16 |
| janders | networking I suppose? | 21:16 |
| oneswig | janders: networking is painful owing to the overlays and bridging on the host side. | 21:17 |
| janders | indeed | 21:17 |
| janders | but I wonder if he's hit container overheads in other areas | 21:17 |
| oneswig | I'm interested in the scope for VF pass-through, SRIOV style. In a way that doesn't circumvent the overlays - wonder if that is possible | 21:17 |
| oneswig | janders: filesystems of many overlays can often be cited - each adding a layer of indirection | 21:18 |
| janders | re SRIOV/vf - to my best knowledge nothing like this exists today with k8s and kuryr, howver it would be of interest to us as well | 21:18 |
| janders | speaking of filesystems - do you have experience with passing through an RDMA-native system mounted on the "container host" to containers? | 21:20 |
| martial_ | I think the Cloud Native foundation will be there as well, I want to talk to there as well | 21:20 |
| oneswig | janders: We've used GlusterFS like that I believe and I think it JFWed | 21:20 |
| oneswig | martial_: keep an eye out for Michael Jennings - I saw a really great presentation from him in April on Charliecloud | 21:21 |
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| oneswig | janders: it ought to work because the container's seeing a filesystem, the VFS implementation shouldn't be affected by the encapsulation (in theory) | 21:22 |
| janders | oneswig: thanks! :) I will likely try a similar approach soon | 21:23 |
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| oneswig | martial_: be very interested to know if you hear more about https://rootlesscontaine.rs or similar efforts - unprivileged container runtimes | 21:24 |
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| b1airo | Yeh, I think someone here at Monash tried it on a DGX and it works | 21:24 |
| oneswig | janders: for extra points, orchestrate your GlusterFS volume using Manila | 21:24 |
| martial_ | interesting indeed | 21:25 |
| martial_ | do not know if they are here but I can try to check | 21:25 |
| trandles | Hey there. Sorry, been lurking and working...I can ask Michael Jennings if he's going to be at <insert name here> if someone fills in that blank for me. | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Hi Tim! Smoked you out :-) | 21:25 |
| janders | oneswig: we'll likely use BeeGFS or perhaps GPFS | 21:25 |
| trandles | indeed | 21:25 |
| oneswig | DockerCon | 21:25 |
| martial_ | Hi Tim, yes DockerCon :) | 21:26 |
| janders | b1airo: do you happen to run your DGXes with OpenStack? | 21:26 |
| oneswig | janders: I have an ansible module under my wing for BeeGFS but it's a little alpha right now. | 21:26 |
| oneswig | How are you provisioning the filesystem and mounting the client? | 21:26 |
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| b1airo | janders: not today, but we are planning to put Ironic under everything eventually | 21:27 |
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| trandles | @mej: Nope, no DockerCon for me. Would love to go sometime, though. | 21:27 |
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| oneswig | brb | 21:27 |
| janders | oneswig: with our BeeGFS, we've finished specing out the hardware and the kit is "in flight" so we haven't done much hands on work yet, but it is coming soon | 21:28 |
| oneswig | janders: might have these roles on Ansible Galaxy by then, will let you know if so... | 21:29 |
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| janders | b1airo: thanks! DGX1 is one of my motivations behind implementing multi-rail IB with Ironic. | 21:29 |
| janders | oneswig: great! we would be more than happy to work with you on this one | 21:30 |
| oneswig | Guess we ought to look at the agenda... | 21:30 |
| janders | good call | 21:30 |
| oneswig | b1airo: martial_: can you guys drive a sec - family bed-time matters to attend to... | 21:30 |
| b1airo | Copy oneswig | 21:31 |
| martial_ | sure thing | 21:31 |
| martial_ | joined a little after the hour ... need to quickly check the agenda link | 21:32 |
| b1airo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_June_12th_2018 | 21:32 |
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| b1airo | #topic sensitive data processing on OpenStack | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sensitive data processing on OpenStack (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 21:32 | |
| martial_ | mmmh extra agenda item? | 21:33 |
| martial_ | how sensitive? | 21:33 |
| b1airo | Firstly, we're still collecting input on this and trying to form up what efforts here should look like | 21:33 |
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| martial_ | so my experience with this is related to a private cloud type work | 21:34 |
| oneswig | back now. Good topic :-) | 21:34 |
| b1airo | I think we can at least extend the book by a chapter or two | 21:34 |
| oneswig | agreed, if we can | 21:34 |
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| martial_ | not a shared cloud | 21:34 |
| martial_ | for SC18? | 21:34 |
| martial_ | (re book) | 21:34 |
| oneswig | martial_: private in the most private sense, ie one tenant only? | 21:34 |
| b1airo | Maybe, not sure whether we'll have it ready | 21:35 |
| b1airo | Ha, well tenant per hypervisor isolation is one control we've considered using | 21:35 |
| b1airo | But remember, "defence in depth"! | 21:36 |
| oneswig | I'm interested in hearing all the hoops people jump through and what each gives them | 21:36 |
| martial_ | more with known tenants | 21:36 |
| martial_ | otherwise we have to create separate hardware instances | 21:37 |
| oneswig | How would you implement per-tenant hypervisor isolation - is there a filter for doing that or would it be about creating host aggregates with restricted visibility (if that's possible) | 21:37 |
| martial_ | good news, Ansible makes it easier obviously | 21:37 |
| b1airo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-SIG-Controlled-Data-Research | 21:37 |
| janders | martial: even easier with ansible + ironic | 21:37 |
| b1airo | oneswig: yeah there is an isolation filter | 21:37 |
| b1airo | But other ways with aggregates too, depends on the overall cloud design I guess | 21:38 |
| oneswig | Might be worth a line item under the technologies section b1airo | 21:38 |
| oneswig | janders: what are you doing for cleaning - how thorough? | 21:39 |
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| b1airo | Yeah I still haven't dumped much in the etherpad yet, definitely have more to add | 21:39 |
| oneswig | b1airo: the perfect accompaniment to breakfast :-) | 21:39 |
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| janders | I think AggregateMultiTenancyIsolation is one of the keywords | 21:39 |
| b1airo | Ha, I'm already smearing honey on my phone so why not! | 21:40 |
| janders | I personally haven't used it though, just remember it exists | 21:40 |
| oneswig | Thanks janders, good to know | 21:41 |
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| janders | oneswig: not cleaning yet, though will be looking at this shortly. Are you thinking storage, firmware or both? | 21:41 |
| b1airo | Ok, shall we move on briefly..? | 21:41 |
| oneswig | janders: the first spanner is local disks, if you have more than one. | 21:41 |
| oneswig | We can follow up offline, we've got some handy tools up on github for when you tackle this | 21:42 |
| janders | oneswig: ok! thanks | 21:42 |
| b1airo | oneswig: do self encrypting drives help there? | 21:42 |
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| oneswig | yes - insta-scramble - without that one of our bare metal flavors takes 29 hours to clean. Not much use... | 21:42 |
| janders | ouch! | 21:43 |
| b1airo | Lol, yeah I think our users would assume Nova was out to lunch if that happened | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | Thankfully we only have one of those nodes, but it's too long. What we really want is LVM signatures and partition tables erasing. | 21:43 |
| oneswig | That's enough to prevent it breaking the next deployment. | 21:44 |
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| janders | I'm hoping to use some of the smarts in the SSDs to help | 21:44 |
| oneswig | anyway, let's move on... | 21:44 |
| martial_ | fair enough | 21:44 |
| b1airo | #topic workload management | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "workload management (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 21:44 | |
| oneswig | We have a summer intern to work on polishing a slurm-as-a-service packaging | 21:45 |
| b1airo | Sounds interesting oneswig , what needs polishing? | 21:46 |
| b1airo | And how does that relate to what's in openhpc? | 21:46 |
| oneswig | Right now, we've got a bag of tools, it really needs some better integration without loss of modularity | 21:46 |
| oneswig | There's a pair of Ansible modules on Galaxy for creating heat stacks or magnum clusters and spitting out a structured ansible inventory for further config. | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | It works pretty well for people who know it's innards. Should be easier to use though. | 21:47 |
| b1airo | Ok, sounds interesting | 21:48 |
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| oneswig | #link heat clusters https://galaxy.ansible.com/stackhpc/cluster-infra/ | 21:48 |
| b1airo | Is that largely about setting up the inventory then or is the idea to go all the way to compete running SLURM | 21:48 |
| b1airo | *complete | 21:49 |
| oneswig | #link magnum k8s/swarm clusters: https://galaxy.ansible.com/stackhpc/os-container-infra/ | 21:49 |
| oneswig | b1airo: we follow a policy of only doing the infra in heat because it's like working in a small dark cupboard when you're debugging something | 21:49 |
| oneswig | Ansible takes over pretty much as soon as the infra's up. | 21:50 |
| oneswig | Using OpenHPC, it's pretty easy to put Slurm on top | 21:50 |
| b1airo | Right | 21:50 |
| oneswig | That ansible's here: https://github.com/stackhpc/p3-appliances - somewhat ragged round the edges | 21:51 |
| b1airo | So SLURM seems to be all the rage but has anyone had any luck getting it to behave nicely in a dynamic environment? | 21:51 |
| b1airo | oneswig: ragged around the edges, I can relate! | 21:51 |
| oneswig | To make a slurm config file from an ansible inventory: https://github.com/stackhpc/p3-appliances/blob/master/ansible/roles/openhpc_runtime/templates/slurm.conf.j2 | 21:51 |
| oneswig | It turns out Ansible's facts have just enough data to populate what Slurm requires - phew | 21:52 |
| janders | oneswig: nice work! | 21:52 |
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| trandles | b1airo: by "dynamic environment" do you mean adding/removing compute nodes? | 21:52 |
| trandles | on the fly | 21:52 |
| oneswig | The dynamic one's interesting. A lot of people follow the maximum-sized cluster, and work with most of it missing. | 21:53 |
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| b1airo | trandles: yep | 21:53 |
| trandles | last I looked closely there was functionality around "cloud burst" type stuff | 21:53 |
| oneswig | The thorny bit - would love to see a working demo of this - is scaling down | 21:53 |
| trandles | the max cluster stuff oneswig references is another way, you just look like you have a load of down nodes when slurmd isn't running on cloud nodes | 21:54 |
| b1airo | Is it really cloud burst or actually thinly disguised power management... | 21:54 |
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| trandles | b1airo: I can't answer that, never gave it a serious look | 21:54 |
| b1airo | Can you rename nodes without bringing slurmd down? | 21:54 |
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| trandles | there are annoying things to deal with...such as telling slurmctld and the slurmd's that they shouldn't care if the config files differ | 21:55 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I don't think so. Or perhaps I'm thinking of Ceph OSDs | 21:55 |
| b1airo | Another point is, I'm not sure how suitable SLURM really is for handling high throughput workloads that would be bread and butter for a dynamic cluster | 21:55 |
| oneswig | trandles: you can do that? revolutionary. How? | 21:55 |
| janders | it will be interesting to see when will cluster management software vendors add "native" OpenStack support - as in using OpenStack APIs to create all the infrastructure from scratch | 21:56 |
| b1airo | From what I've seen at a distance it is not very good at handling huge numbers of jobs in queue | 21:56 |
| trandles | oneswig: there's a config param in later versions, not sure if it only appeared in 17.X or earlier, to say "don't hash the configs" | 21:56 |
| janders | I was having a chat about this with Bright recently, they seem to be working on it | 21:56 |
| trandles | we | 21:56 |
| oneswig | b1airo: huge as in? Cambridge Slurm, apparently the queue was normally 4 days long | 21:56 |
| trandles | 've gone slurm-only at LANL because moab couldn't handle large queues efficiently | 21:56 |
| trandles | slurm can limit queue sizes, both max and by UID | 21:57 |
| trandles | so one user can't hose up the works | 21:57 |
| oneswig | janders: Bright's doing some interesting stuff around mixing bare metal clusters and openstack dynamically | 21:57 |
| b1airo | Huge as in millions of jobs | 21:57 |
| oneswig | that'll do it. | 21:58 |
| trandles | I know we handle 10's of thousands, not sure about millions | 21:58 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: what's the alternative? HTCondor? | 21:58 |
| trandles | does any HPC WLM handle millions without a 2 hour scheduling cycle? | 21:58 |
| trandles | <aside> oneswig: Charliecloud v0.2.5 just released with new functionality to better handle MPI jobs | 21:59 |
| b1airo | Yeah we had problems with a user trying to submit 10s of thousands recently and I was really surprised because I used to run experiments with millions of jobs using Nimrod (against PostgreSQL) years back | 21:59 |
| janders | oneswig: indeed - however till now it was mostly running OpenStack on a cluster fully managed by Bright. I think now they are starting to realise it might make sense to do it the other way round. Have you seen any of this functionality yet? | 21:59 |
| oneswig | trandles: nice work! What about OpenHPC packaging? | 21:59 |
| trandles | oneswig: OpenHPC in the next release. One of the Intel devs was just working on an RPM spec file for Charliecloud in the upcoming release. | 22:00 |
| b1airo | Yikes, times up! | 22:00 |
| oneswig | janders: no but you're absolutely right, it was an issue that their OpenStack was basically proprietary | 22:00 |
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| oneswig | Oops... | 22:00 |
| b1airo | #topic final comments... | 22:00 |
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| oneswig | Nothing major from here | 22:00 |
| oneswig | Having fun with new Ceph on old hardware | 22:01 |
| b1airo | Seems like we could at least so more knowledge and pain sharing in this space anyway | 22:01 |
| b1airo | *do | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Always seemed to be a good thing | 22:01 |
| b1airo | Did it go a lot faster oneswig ? | 22:02 |
| b1airo | We're just about to try the mimic upgrade... | 22:02 |
| oneswig | Not sure yet - trying to figure out multipathing runes for it currently... | 22:02 |
| janders | we didn't get to talk much about the focus areas for this cycle... next week? | 22:02 |
| oneswig | ooh, mimic's just out isn't it? | 22:02 |
| b1airo | Multipath, urgh. So Lustre hardware then | 22:02 |
| oneswig | janders: sounds good, come prepared... | 22:02 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: got it in one | 22:02 |
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| b1airo | Tentacles loaded! | 22:03 |
| b1airo | Ok, thanks all!! | 22:03 |
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| oneswig | I'm tempted by mimic now | 22:03 |
| oneswig | Thanks everyone | 22:03 |
| b1airo | #endmeeting | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 12 22:03:34 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-06-12-21.00.html | 22:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-06-12-21.00.txt | 22:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-06-12-21.00.log.html | 22:03 |
| martial_ | tentacles ... :) | 22:03 |
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