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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 11:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 13 11:00:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 11:00 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 11:00 | |
| diman1 | hi mugsie | 11:02 |
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| mugsie | hey | 11:02 |
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| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage | 11:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 11:03 | |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1774438 | 11:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1774438 in Designate "instances ignore dns servers supplied via dhcp_agein.ini" [Undecided,New] | 11:04 |
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| mugsie | I think that is a Neutron problem | 11:04 |
| mugsie | yeah, definitely | 11:04 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1772925 | 11:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1772925 in Designate "Error in sink formatv4 neutron_floatingip handler" [Undecided,New] | 11:04 |
| mugsie | erik has already replied, so I will close it out | 11:05 |
| mugsie | no other new bugs | 11:06 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 11:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 11:06 | |
| mugsie | Any off agenda items? | 11:06 |
| browny_ | yes | 11:06 |
| browny_ | more granular authorisations | 11:06 |
| mugsie | go for it | 11:06 |
| mugsie | on a per record basis? | 11:07 |
| browny_ | we saw that there is this old blueprint for it | 11:07 |
| diman1 | yes, on a per record basis | 11:07 |
| browny_ | but we are wondering if a simpler version based on record types would be accepted upsteram | 11:07 |
| browny_ | as it would not mean changes at the api | 11:07 |
| mugsie | yeah, the blueprint was never approved, as no one could propose a design that would work | 11:07 |
| browny_ | only in policy with addtional roles | 11:08 |
| mugsie | Oh. I think that could be done already, as we pass the record type into the policy check already | 11:08 |
| mugsie | I *think* | 11:08 |
| browny_ | so if we would add some chckes like recordset_a, .... | 11:08 |
| browny_ | default alll allowed | 11:08 |
| browny_ | diman will check ;-) | 11:09 |
| mugsie | yeah - I will warn you that it will cause the DNS service to fail the interop / trademark test suite, but I think we can do it already, and if not, it shouold be a small change | 11:09 |
| browny_ | would we need to write blueprint for it? | 11:10 |
| mugsie | If we need to change the policy engine, we would need a spec | 11:10 |
| mugsie | it doesn't have to be long, but just an overvoew of the behaviour before, after, and where changes will be made | 11:10 |
| browny_ | i do not think that the policy engine itself would need a change | 11:10 |
| browny_ | ok we can do this | 11:11 |
| browny_ | the other authorisation we would like to introduce is a "create sub zone" | 11:11 |
| browny_ | meaning if | 11:11 |
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| browny_ | you own a zone in your project, you can have an additional policy check like "create_new_sub_zone" | 11:12 |
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| browny_ | this would give you the right to create subzone, but you do not need the more generaal create_zone | 11:13 |
| mugsie | Ah! Ok | 11:13 |
| mugsie | (i was looking at it from the wrong direction at first) | 11:13 |
| mugsie | I think that seems resonable | 11:13 |
| browny_ | so we can give full control over zone without giving full control over all possible zones... | 11:13 |
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| mugsie | yeah, no major objections there - no spec needed for that, just a release note in the commit | 11:14 |
| browny_ | cool, great | 11:14 |
| diman1 | sounds good | 11:14 |
| browny_ | then diman has some work to do ;-) | 11:15 |
| mugsie | if you want these in r, they need to be pushed up soon | 11:15 |
| mugsie | he does :) | 11:15 |
| browny_ | hurry diman ;-) | 11:15 |
| diman1 | oki | 11:15 |
| mugsie | diman1: feel free to piing me in #openstack-dns if you hit any issues :) | 11:15 |
| diman1 | sure, thanks | 11:16 |
| browny_ | thats it form us for now | 11:16 |
| diman1 | I just wanted to ask about couple of old things as well | 11:16 |
| mugsie | sure | 11:16 |
| diman1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555398/ -> any comments? | 11:16 |
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| diman1 | if that is fine - I'll push also the tempest changes | 11:17 |
| mugsie | oh, I thought I pinged you about this, let me look at it | 11:17 |
| diman1 | oh, maybe I did not see, too many laptops in use( | 11:18 |
| mugsie | I think the tempest tests are using invalid data | 11:19 |
| mugsie | let me look today, and I will comment in the review | 11:19 |
| diman1 | alright, thanks mugsie | 11:19 |
| mugsie | anything else? | 11:21 |
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| mugsie | OK, have a good day! | 11:22 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 11:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 11:22 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 13 11:22:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:22 |
| diman1 | I guess not. the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568372/ seem to be merged soon | 11:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-06-13-11.00.html | 11:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-06-13-11.00.txt | 11:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-06-13-11.00.log.html | 11:22 |
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| diman1 | thanks, you too | 11:22 |
| browny_ | see ya | 11:23 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 13 16:00:24 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| ganso | hello | 16:00 |
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| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-rocky-meeting-agendas | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:01 |
| erlon_ | hey | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ courtesy ping | 16:01 |
| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thank you. | 16:01 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, guess we will get started. | 16:02 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Thanks for joining. Can use your help with one of the subjects. ;-) | 16:02 |
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| tbarron | jungleboyj: always glad to give you a strawman | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| jungleboyj | For everyone that couldn't get to the summit in Vancouver I have posted the recordings of the forum sessions: | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VancouverSummit2018Summary | 16:04 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | I think the recordings worked out pretty well. | 16:04 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Let me know if you have any questions or issues. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I now have access to the YouTube channel which is helpful. :-) | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | thank you smcginnis | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I did cut Milestone-2 last week. Thanks to all who helped get the last driver reviewed. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | I have now marked all drivers that missed -2. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | I also have proposed releases of os-brick, python-cinderclient and python-brick-cinderclient-ext | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | That will get our libs up to date. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | I think that is all I have for announcements. | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Rocky Priorities Review | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky Priorities Review (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:08 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I have had a look through here before the meeting. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Updated those things that look like they have been closed out. | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Is the signature verification work done? | 16:09 |
| tommylikehu | yeah | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | Excellent. Updated. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Any one know if the cheesecake promotion work is done or is there more to be done there? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ^^^ | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | https://www.groupon.com/coupons/stores/thecheesecakefactory.com | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | :P | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: :-p | 16:11 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: :) | 16:11 |
| erlon_ | haha | 16:11 |
| eharney | umm | 16:11 |
| tommylikehu | lol | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | There are a couple of patches merged. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, we can move on. If you have updates for work items there please make them. I am going to start a section for Stein Specs and I think some of the work items from Rocky are going to slip to Stein. | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | If you have one of those and are inclined to move them, please do. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Check-in on HA | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Check-in on HA (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:14 | |
| jungleboyj | Gorka can't be here but you will see that he has started documentation. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571242/ | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Please take some time to review that if you can. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | So, that is all I have there. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Storyboard Migration | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storyboard Migration (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:15 | |
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| jungleboyj | So, I keep getting the question as to when this is going to happen ... | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think we need to talk about how we want to tackle this as a team. | 16:15 |
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| erlon_ | jungleboyj, can you give a background on that? | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | erlon_: Sure. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | erlon_: Where have you been? ;-) | 16:16 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:16 |
| erlon_ | :P | 16:16 |
| erlon_ | Sorocaba | 16:17 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: what is a status of os-brick migration to storyboard? | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | So, there is a movement from using Launchpad for bug tracking and blueprints to using storyboard. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/dashboard/stories | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/dashboard/stories | 16:17 |
| erlon_ | jungleboyj, ow, that would be awesome | 16:17 |
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| erlon_ | hat LP | 16:17 |
| erlon_ | *hate | 16:18 |
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| * jungleboyj thinks erlon_ Just volunteered to lead this up. | 16:18 | |
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| e0ne | :D | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Storyboard is still a little rough around the edges in spots, but I think as more people start using it things will get fixed up. | 16:18 |
| tbarron | hee-hee | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | But something we should know going in to it. | 16:18 |
| erlon_ | jungleboyj, haha, that does not mean the same thing :p | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Either way, it's going to be a change. | 16:18 |
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| e0ne | btw, does it have integration with gerrit? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, it is still a bit buggy and my big problem is trying to figure out how to find what I need in there. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Yes it does. | 16:19 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: good, it fits minimal requirements for me:) | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | You use story: <story number> and then it works like Launchpad did. | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | In the past we had an os-brick test migration run to a sandbox. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | We looked at it and opened some bugs that needed to be addressed. I think those issues have been addressed. | 16:20 |
| erlon_ | jungleboyj: so this migration would be to copy the bugs/features from LP and put on storyboard? | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | erlon_: Yes, that is the starting point is that they need to migrate all the existing bugs over. | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | The migration is scripted, so not really extra work on our end. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Blueprints would go away and we would start using stories in storybard. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | And it keeps links between things, so if there is a lauchpad bug that has cinder and python-cinderclient listed, that would still just be one storyboard bug with both repos. | 16:23 |
| erlon_ | smcginnis, so, what work would be left for us? | 16:23 |
| tommylikehu | to make decision? | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | erlon_: Really just adapting our workflow to link to the stories in our commit messages and going to storyboard.o.o for bug tracking and things. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Hah, yeah. And to decided when to do it. ;) | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | So, what are the things I think we need to do: | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | 1) When do we want to do this? | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | 2) Do we want to move all of the projects at once? | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | 3) We need to come to agreement as to how we are going to use Storyboard to track new work. | 16:25 |
| erlon_ | well we can start with os-brick again | 16:25 |
| erlon_ | and them after people get more aquaintted move cinder | 16:26 |
| eharney | not doing it at once and trying to track cinder bugs in launchpad and client/brick bugs in storyboard simultaneously sounds like a nightmare | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Yeah, that is the problem with that approach. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Also mentioned that. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I'd rather move all of our repos over at once. | 16:26 |
| tommylikehu | move all of them started from Stein? | 16:26 |
| tommylikehu | start | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | I think it may be one of those things where we just need to rip the bandaid off. | 16:27 |
| eharney | yeah, it's going to be kind of messy in the ideal case... don't need to make it even more complicated | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | I am going to need to update documentation and everything like that. | 16:27 |
| eharney | are we migrating all open blueprints and bugs? or closed ones too? what's the idea there? | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | I believe closed bugs get moved too. Nothing with blueprints though. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ Think that is correct. | 16:28 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | We do refer to launchpad a few places in code and in our docs and wiki, so we will have to find all those references and get them updated too. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: What is you rplan? | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:29 |
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| tbarron | jungleboyj: to talk about it in tomorrow's meeting :) but | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | :-p | 16:29 |
| tbarron | I want to build some queries and boards before we cut over | 16:29 |
| tbarron | in a sandbox | 16:29 |
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| tbarron | the issue with storyboard IMO is that besides being young it is in a way a | 16:30 |
| tbarron | lower level tool than launchpad | 16:30 |
| tbarron | that's also a virtue | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: ++ | 16:30 |
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| tbarron | it can be used to do lots of different things | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Don't know anything about building queries and stuff yet. | 16:30 |
| tbarron | but we need to make some "canned" worklists and boards and links to these for our project that | 16:31 |
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| tbarron | will get us the stuff we want to keep from launchpad like targeting bps and bugs to milestones | 16:31 |
| tbarron | so I want to play with that a little bit before we actually cut over | 16:31 |
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| tbarron | not too worried about it being do-able though | 16:31 |
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| tbarron | and of course there will be rough edges anyways | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, most likely. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Are you planning to do the cut over at the beginning of Stein? | 16:33 |
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| tbarron | I'd rather do it earlier if we can get ready but that means moving soon | 16:34 |
| tbarron | Don't want to be doing it after M3 | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Ok. Well, if you go first then we can learn from your experience. :-) | 16:34 |
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| tbarron | But it might be as Stein begins, maybe likely | 16:34 |
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| * tbarron pictures jungleboyj and himself standing at the edge of an iceberg | 16:35 | |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Sounds good. | 16:35 |
| tbarron | nudging one another | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | tbarron: ++ | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | You go first. | 16:35 |
| eharney | what happens to launchpad bugs that are opened on both cinder and nova components? we just close the cinder half of it? | 16:35 |
| tbarron | nah, you'll give the orcas more to eat :) | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Ouch. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: I think they were working on that but I can't remember what happens. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ?? | 16:36 |
| tbarron | I think it's all "tags" and flexible and all just works. | 16:37 |
| tbarron | That's the problem too :) | 16:37 |
| tbarron | We need to establish some conventions. | 16:37 |
| tbarron | But maybe they've built something more static into storyboard now. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I am concerned that there isn't more as far as conventions right now. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | That, however, isn't going to change until we start using it. | 16:38 |
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| * eharney looks forward to the rename to "group 23" | 16:39 | |
| e0ne | :) | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: I hate that. For the love of Pete ... | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | Perhaps we need to change our logo. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | I think if a nova bug in lp closes after we go to sb, once nova goes to sb that status will get reflected in our common "story". | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | So, let me make the following proposal for going forward ... | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | I can ask diablo_rojo_phon to migrate our projects over to the sandbox. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: I assume you will be doing the same? | 16:42 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: yes, we have asked and she up us in line in front of you :) | 16:42 |
| * tbarron is feeling particularly constructive today | 16:43 | |
| jungleboyj | I will start playing around with SB more and tbarron and I can share experiences. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Cool. | 16:43 |
| tbarron | seriously, she's going to try to get manila in sandbox by the end of this week | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | I will be prepared to go over how it works and how we should use it and we can plan to come to agreement on anything that needs to be decided at the PTG and then we will cut over after that. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone have concerns with that plan? | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like a good start to me. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Any dissent? | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | Just want to point out that if/when we all move over, this gets us closer to having single signon across all OpenStack properties so we don't have to go out to Ubuntu One to login. | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | So there will be some pain, but some goodness in the long run. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | That is good. | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to ask diablo_rojo_phon to do migration of the Cinder repos from LP to SB. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to start working with/documenting SB for Cinder. Create some task lists and boards. Create some queries. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to present what we have learned at the PTG and come to agreement with a plan to move after the PTG. | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, so, I think we have a plan. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Please keep me updated as you progress. | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Hackathon for Rocky: | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: | 16:50 |
| tommylikehu | yes | 16:50 |
| tommylikehu | that's only a reminder that the hackathon is coming next week again:) | 16:50 |
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| tommylikehu | please help the developers to review the patches then:) | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Are those patches going to be tracked anywhere? | 16:51 |
| tommylikehu | here is the etherpad links: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenSource-Hackathon-Rocky-Beijing-Bugs-List | 16:51 |
| tommylikehu | haha | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Didn't we use a tag on some bugs in the past to try to get an easy list to query for potential bugsmash bugs to work on? | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Are you going put some bugs in there? | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yes, we did. | 16:52 |
| tommylikehu | there would be about 40 developers there, so I guess this hackathon would be more productive | 16:52 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: will do | 16:53 |
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| tommylikehu | smcginnis: no sure how many bugs are tagged with bug smash | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | We would probably have to go through again and tag more. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, we used 'bugsmash' | 16:54 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: ok | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | There are 8 with that Tag. | 16:55 |
| tommylikehu | tbarron: also there would be some developers coming for manila:) | 16:56 |
| gouthamr | tommylikehu: +1, i didn't see any on teh etherpad though and was going to ping you/zhongjun | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: tommylikehu smcginnis Can you take a few minutes to look through and mark some bugs with bugsmash? | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | I will also try to look through them. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Will try to get to that today. | 16:57 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu: right, ty! | 16:57 |
| tommylikehu | gouthamr: you mean the name list? I should be on the list | 16:57 |
| tbarron | we had lots of fixes from the wuhan bug smash | 16:57 |
| gouthamr | tommylikehu: nope, there was a doc with 40 contributors and the projects they intended to contribute to | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you! | 16:58 |
| gouthamr | unless i misunderstood what the doc was for :) which is possible. | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, so we have two minutes left. Anything else people need to cover? | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Going, going .... | 16:59 |
| e0ne | see you next week! | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Going to wrap up then. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | I have a conflict the next two weeks so Sean will be covering for me. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you! | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 13 17:00:29 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-13-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-13-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-13-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| SotK | storyboard meeting time | 19:00 |
| fungi | i'm double-booked for this slot today, so ping me if my input is needed | 19:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 13 19:01:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 19:01 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:01 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:02 | |
| SotK | more migrations completed! | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | That they did :) | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Seems like things are really picking up speed now. | 19:02 |
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| SotK | yep, it seems more talked about than it has been for some time atm | 19:04 |
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| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration Updates (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:04 | |
| SotK | are there any more migrations on the horizon? | 19:04 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I have test migrations planned | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | But no real ones on the docket currently | 19:06 |
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| SotK | hopefully those test migrations lead to some more real ones :) | 19:08 |
| SotK | #topic In-Progress Work | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In-Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:08 | |
| fungi | edleafe was talking about the api working group moving to sb earlier today | 19:08 |
| fungi | or api sig now | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Nice :) | 19:10 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I promised manila I would test migrate them by the end of the week. | 19:11 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Looked like cinder was gonna ask me to text migrate them as well.b | 19:12 |
| edleafe | We thought StoryBoard would be a good fit for the GraphQL experiment going on | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | edleafe: we are happy to get you set up in SB. | 19:13 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo_phon: efforts appreciated :D | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | You can join the self healing SIG in using sb :) | 19:13 |
| edleafe | diablo_rojo_phon: thanks! | 19:13 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | edleafe: might be a dumb question but so you have a repo for specs or anything? | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | tbarron: I haven't forgotten :) I just made it back stateside so I'll set things up later today or tomorrow. | 19:15 |
| edleafe | diablo_rojo_phon: Just the guidelines that we create | 19:15 |
| edleafe | we don't require specs | 19:15 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo_phon: get sleep first and thanks, no emergency here | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | There's a repo though? | 19:15 |
| edleafe | But the GraphQL effort may want to do that | 19:15 |
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| edleafe | diablo_rojo_phon: https://github.com/openstack/api-wg | 19:15 |
| edleafe | (yet another place where the name change is a pain to do) | 19:16 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Cool. Easier when repos already exist. Should just be a small project config change then. | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Do you have things in LP you need migrated? I can run a test migration if so. | 19:18 |
| edleafe | diablo_rojo_phon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bugs | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Got it. After I get manila done I'll test migrate you. | 19:20 |
| edleafe | We'd like all new references to the group to use the api-sig name instead of api-wg | 19:20 |
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| edleafe | fungi has already mentioned that renaming can be done during a gerrit downtime | 19:21 |
| SotK | does that mean you want to wait until after a rename to migrate? | 19:21 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Yes..? | 19:21 |
| fungi | speaking technically from an infra standpoint, we can rename it in sb quite easily when we do the gerrit rename (we have a step for that in our standard process) | 19:22 |
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| fungi | so there shouldn't be any need to delay using sb just because you want to rename the repo | 19:22 |
| edleafe | fungi: so sb would initially be set up using api-wg, and then you'd update that along with everything else? | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Oh nice. Openstacksdk was just a special flower then and wanted to do the rename first? | 19:23 |
| fungi | yep | 19:23 |
| fungi | project renaming in sb is all of one or two update queryes | 19:23 |
| fungi | queries | 19:23 |
| fungi | trivial and basically instantaneous | 19:24 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Nice. Super easy then. | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | So I'll do the test migration after manila and we should be good to go. | 19:25 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Other in progress work: I'm working on a bunch of docs updates/additions. | 19:27 |
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| SotK | I've been on holiday away from computers so don't have much to mention | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I still have one patch out there to add text to the private story stuff. | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | SotK: I saw :) Looked fun. Glad you're back though. | 19:29 |
| SotK | it was :) | 19:30 |
| * SotK will merge that later | 19:30 | |
| SotK | we should also merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548343/2 and its dependencies | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thanks! | 19:30 |
| SotK | preferably https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548202/ too | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Agreed. | 19:30 |
| SotK | probably that last one is more urgent really | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | fungi: you wanna go review those? | 19:31 |
| fungi | i can pull them up and see what they are later today | 19:31 |
| SotK | thanks :) | 19:34 |
| SotK | anything else? | 19:34 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Perfect. | 19:36 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:36 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Got a meeting with fatema_ later today to get her rolling on things. | 19:37 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | That's all I have. | 19:39 |
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| SotK | nice, hope it goes well | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Should be good. | 19:39 |
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| * SotK will leave the meeting open for a little bit in case anyone drops by | 19:39 | |
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| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 19:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 13 19:51:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-06-13-19.01.html | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-06-13-19.01.txt | 19:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-06-13-19.01.log.html | 19:51 |
| SotK | thanks folks :) | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thanks SotK! | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 13 21:00:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:00 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | rledisez: hmm... think anyone else is joining us today? | 21:02 |
| torgomatic_ | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | acoles: torgomatic_: hello | 21:02 |
| notmyname | clayg is out this week. kota_ is out too | 21:04 |
| notmyname | not sure where everyone else is | 21:05 |
| notmyname | torgomatic_: do you want to go over your patch question, or should we wait until more people are online? | 21:05 |
| torgomatic_ | eh, I can go now if you like | 21:05 |
| torgomatic_ | I don't see much else on the agenda this meeting | 21:05 |
| torgomatic_ | I've written a change that makes the object updater have both multiple processes and per-process concurrency. The goal is to be faster at handling large numbers of pending updates. | 21:06 |
| torgomatic_ | I tested it on one (real-hardware) node with a few million async_pendings; the graph is here: https://storage101.dfw1.clouddrive.com/v1/MossoCloudFS_3b02a08f-d96b-49fe-b8a5-b88551fad855/graphs/parallel-expirer-graph.png?temp_url_sig=4127cb9b472e3222bc865e936c9cb023d12a64a0&temp_url_expires=1615318360&inline | 21:06 |
| torgomatic_ | The only weird thing here is the config parameters "concurrency" and "updater_workers". On master, "concurrency" means "number of processes", and each process handles async_pendings serially. With the patch, "updater_workers" means "number of processes", and "concurrency" means "number of concurrent updates in each process". | 21:06 |
| torgomatic_ | Most other Swift daemons have similar configs where "(type_)?workers" controls process count and "concurrency" controls greenthread count, like the object reconstructor, object replicator, object server, object expirer, container replicator, container server, account replicator, account server, and account reaper. The only other daemons using "concurrency" to control process count are the object auditor and container | 21:06 |
| torgomatic_ | updater. | 21:06 |
| torgomatic_ | On upgrade, this patch would result in a small change to existing clusters who have set concurrency=N. Before, they'd have N processes spread across (up to) N disks, each processing one async_pending at a time. After, they'd have 1 process operating on each disk in turn, processing N async_pendings at a time. | 21:06 |
| torgomatic_ | I think this is fine, but others may disagree, and that's why it's a meeting topic. | 21:06 |
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| * notmyname reading | 21:07 | |
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| notmyname | I am very glad rledisez is here :-) | 21:07 |
| rledisez | :) | 21:08 |
| rledisez | let me read it all once again ;) | 21:08 |
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| mattoliverau | Sorry I'm late o/ | 21:09 |
| acoles | I raised this when reviewing the patch. The patch is great, the move towards consistent option naming is laudable, but I felt the implications of the option name changes warranted wider discussion (in our brave new world of single +2) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | it's a good question to raise. my gut reaction is the same as acoles's. | 21:10 |
| rledisez | torgomatic_: it's not really the scope of the patch but i'm curious. how did you ended up with millions of async pendings? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | torgomatic_: what's the upgrade path? | 21:10 |
| torgomatic_ | rledisez: lots and lots of puts of small objects to a single container | 21:10 |
| acoles | we need a better solution for those small objects ! ;) | 21:11 |
| torgomatic_ | notmyname: the upgrade path is pretty much just upgrade Swift as normal | 21:11 |
| rledisez | torgomatic_: that's what i thought ;) | 21:11 |
| rledisez | i've pushed this last week exactly for that situation: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571917/ | 21:11 |
| patchbot | patch 571917 - swift - WIP: Manage async_pendings priority per containers | 21:11 |
| notmyname | current master only has the "concurrency" setting? | 21:11 |
| torgomatic_ | notmyname: correct | 21:11 |
| rledisez | related to that patch, i'm a bit afraid of the I/O pressure it would put to disks if you have, let's say, concurrency=60 | 21:12 |
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| rledisez | operators should be warned to take care of that value before upgrading | 21:12 |
| notmyname | torgomatic_: and the default value of the new "update_workers" setting? | 21:12 |
| torgomatic_ | so you go from N-at-a-time before to N-at-a-time after, but the distribution is worse | 21:12 |
| torgomatic_ | rledisez: agreed; it's definitely worth a mention in the release notes | 21:12 |
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| torgomatic_ | or a mailing list message to openstack-operators, or both | 21:12 |
| torgomatic_ | notmyname: default is 1, I think... let me look | 21:13 |
| notmyname | 1 or 1 per drive? | 21:13 |
| acoles | so what torgomatic_ says ^^ was my concern, that if all you do is upgrade swift, you might have end up with updater performance | 21:13 |
| torgomatic_ | defaults are concurrency=128 (which may be a bit high; I just made it up) and updater_workers=1 | 21:13 |
| acoles | degradation | 21:13 |
| torgomatic_ | acoles: true; if you've got only a few async_pendings, then you're okay with the upgrade | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic_: so that means on upgrade, you would *not* have one per drive. you'd have only one | 21:14 |
| torgomatic_ | if you have a lot, then this upgrade could slow you down until you notice the new settings and then you get to process them faster than before | 21:14 |
| rledisez | and if you've got plenty of them, you're already in trouble :D | 21:14 |
| torgomatic_ | notmyname: one what, exactly? process? concurrent update? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | ah! "one...operating on each disk in turn". got it. /me learns to read | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | I misread it as "after upgrade...you'd have one per disk" | 21:15 |
| notmyname | so what's the alternative? invent new config variables and keep inconsistency across all settings? | 21:17 |
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| acoles | rledisez: can I check, when you say concurrency=60 might be a bad idea, do you mean the new concurrency i.e. 60 threads, or do you mean 60 processes? | 21:17 |
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| torgomatic_ | notmyname: yeah, pretty much. We could have "concurrency" for processes and "concurrency_per_process" for greenthreads or something, and then it's a special case forever but there's no upgrade issues | 21:18 |
| torgomatic_ | I prefer moving towards consistency; there are too many daemons not to IMO | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | so the question is "do we choose new names with inconsistency" or "go for config consistency at the risk of an upgrade slowing down existing clusters until settings are changed" | 21:19 |
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| torgomatic_ | right, and it would only really harm existing clusters with lots of async_pendings | 21:19 |
| rledisez | acoles: if i got it well: now concurrency=60 means 60 processes (one per disk) | 21:20 |
| rledisez | after: concurrency=60 means one process per disks, 60 threads each. i think 60 threads per disk is a bad idea (if the value is just 2, it should be fine for everybody) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I'm going to assume all clusters have times with lots of async pendings | 21:20 |
| torgomatic_ | rledisez: fair enough; so one process per disk and 2 greenthreads per process is something you think is reasonable? | 21:20 |
| acoles | rledisez: ok, that makes sense. | 21:20 |
| torgomatic_ | for reference, the graph above was done with 1 process per disk and 32 greenthreads per process | 21:21 |
| notmyname | IMO, seeing as 100% of clusters have to update configs in order to take advantage of the new feature, going for consistency is worth it | 21:21 |
| rledisez | yes. i can't tell the right number per disk without making some impact test. but until 5-10 it should be fine. over 10 is probably too much (think unlinking, inode update, journal update, too much I/O) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | hmm... and changing the default as rledisez suggests would further minimize impact | 21:21 |
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| torgomatic_ | rledisez: 8 it is... that's a power of 2, so people are less likely to wonder about it ;) | 21:22 |
| rledisez | :D | 21:22 |
| * torgomatic_ will change the default to 8 after the meeting | 21:22 | |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:22 |
| notmyname | everyone happy with this conclusion? | 21:23 |
| * rledisez is wondering how far we to dynamically adapt all of this and not worry anymore about default values | 21:23 | |
| acoles | notmyname: if you have concurrency >1 now then you do not need to change config to take advantage of the new feature, but you do need to change config to retain the old feature | 21:23 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 for consistency, +1 for 8, +1 for upgrade docs. +100 for some good work | 21:23 |
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| torgomatic_ | rledisez: do you think "auto" as a value for updater_workers would work, where "auto" means "1 process per disk, however many that is?" | 21:24 |
| torgomatic_ | (future patch, not this one) | 21:24 |
| torgomatic_ | but that'd let you set greenthreads-per-disk and then forget about the reset | 21:24 |
| torgomatic_ | *rest | 21:24 |
| rledisez | torgomatic_: no, i'm just dreaming that one day, processes will know the numbers of available I/O they can use without impacting the TTFB | 21:25 |
| notmyname | rledisez: +1000!!! | 21:25 |
| torgomatic_ | yeah, if we have a single process responsible for each disk's IO, that gets easier | 21:25 |
| torgomatic_ | kind of tough to do that with all these uncoordinated WSGI servers, replicators, auditors, and other things all running around at the same time | 21:26 |
| notmyname | that's definitely a goal that I want us all to work torwards over the next year or so | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | ok, anything else major to discuss this week? | 21:27 |
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| * notmyname has some time pressure today | 21:27 | |
| torgomatic_ | nothing else here | 21:28 |
| notmyname | torgomatic_: thanks for bringing that up | 21:28 |
| rledisez | just one (quick) question about "tsync" work | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:28 |
| rledisez | do you think it would be in python or golang? | 21:28 |
| notmyname | yes | 21:28 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: has been asking about the ring composer CLI, whether we should merge it? | 21:28 |
| notmyname | also yes | 21:28 |
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| acoles | #link https://review.openstack.org/451507 | 21:29 |
| patchbot | patch 451507 - swift - Experimental swift-ring-composer CLI to build comp... | 21:29 |
| notmyname | rledisez: in reality, I think we will (and should) do tsync before any object server rewrite. which means we should implement tsync such that there aren't any language-specific serialization issues. yes, that means we'll write it twice | 21:29 |
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| rledisez | ok. because my fear is that a tsync in golang means to re-do all the work on LOSF to write the diskfile in golang | 21:30 |
| rledisez | but I guess in any way, at some point everything will be rewritten | 21:30 |
| notmyname | acoles: mattoliverau: having something is better than having nothing. maybe it should have a stderr line on invocation that says "this is experimental" or something like that | 21:31 |
| acoles | notmyname: IIRC it has that, maybe on stdout | 21:31 |
| notmyname | oh ok | 21:31 |
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| acoles | notmyname: no, stderr https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451507/18/swift/cli/ringcomposer.py@166 | 21:32 |
| patchbot | patch 451507 - swift - Experimental swift-ring-composer CLI to build comp... | 21:32 |
| notmyname | rledisez: I'm not sure why golang tsync means rewriting golang diskfile | 21:32 |
| torgomatic_ | I agree that something is better than nothing re: ring-composer. Get *something* in now, then we can iterate later. | 21:32 |
| notmyname | torgomatic_: acoles: also, it's got a warning! :-) | 21:33 |
| torgomatic_ | I always find it easier to fix something than to start with an empty .py file and come up with something good. | 21:33 |
| notmyname | torgomatic_: alternatively, I've never had issues starting with an empty .py file and coming up with something bad | 21:33 |
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| torgomatic_ | :) | 21:33 |
| acoles | I can start and end with an empty .py file :P | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | Great my thoughts exactly. | 21:34 |
| timburke | leave *nowhere* for the bugs to hide! | 21:34 |
| rledisez | notmyname: well, I guess it depends a lot of the design. If the server is the normal object-server, no issues. if the server is a tsync server, it needs to use the diskfile. so i'm especially thinking of the LOSF diskfile | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: I guess the good news is that nobody has started writing antyhing "tsync" yet, so it can be whatever we want it to be | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | Re: composter. I've been talking to people about a cool feature called composition rings so it would be nice to have something people could at least play with. I know the classes are there, but some clients is needed. | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | *composite | 21:36 |
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| mattoliverau | Don autocomplete | 21:36 |
| notmyname | but IMO tsync should definitely account for the lsof work from the beginning | 21:36 |
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| mattoliverau | DHE also bought up this week, which reminded me that we never landed it | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | I've got two final thoughts (then I need to close the meeting and go offline for a bit) | 21:37 |
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| DHE | *brought. (not to be confused with bribes to get what I want :) | 21:37 |
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| * mattoliverau gives up typing on his phone, autocomplete sucks and y'all just have to learn to guess what I'm saying :p | 21:37 | |
| DHE | oh. I'm sorry. | 21:37 |
| notmyname | (1) it's really great to see all the review activity and code landing. my subjective feel is that the single +2 olicy is so-far successful (time will tell if it's sustainable) | 21:37 |
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| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:38 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: I'd love it to be renamed as the 'composter' :) | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | DHE: that wasn't directed at you, sometimes my spelling is bad.. I am Australian | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: exactly! | 21:38 |
| notmyname | (2) please remember to be kind on reviews. there was one review comment I saw recently that was perhaps a little more accusatory than it needed to be (not from anyone in here). seemed like a good time to thank everyone for their normally very kind reviews | 21:39 |
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| DHE | mattoliverau: I know, I'm just trying to be funny... | 21:39 |
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| mattoliverau | DHE: lol, I appreciate that ;) keep it up | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | thank you, everyone, for your contributions to swift. I'm glad you're part of the community | 21:40 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
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