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| fungi | gagehugo mentioned in #openstack-security that he's not expecting to be around for the meeting this week | 15:01 |
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| nickthetait | ok | 15:02 |
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| fungi | i can meet if people want to, though trying to get ready to leave for berlin and also juggling tc office hours right now | 15:04 |
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| nickthetait | wait a few mins and see if anyone else shows up | 15:05 |
| nickthetait | i don't have any news | 15:05 |
| Luzi | well I guess, we will see each other next week, right? | 15:05 |
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| fungi | i'll be there at least | 15:07 |
| nickthetait | would love to be there, but not this time :'( | 15:10 |
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| melwitt | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 8 21:00:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
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| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | howdy everyone, welcome to the nova meeting | 21:00 |
| dansmith | ./ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | lettuce start | 21:00 |
| melwitt | #topic Release News | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| melwitt | #link Stein release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Stein_Release_Schedule | 21:01 |
| melwitt | the summit is next week, tue-thu | 21:01 |
| melwitt | next milestone after that s-2 is jan 10 next year, that will also be spec freeze | 21:01 |
| melwitt | #link Stein runway etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-stein | 21:01 |
| melwitt | some runways have not gotten much attention, probably as folks are trying to prepare for summit | 21:02 |
| melwitt | #link runway #1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/reshape-provider-tree (bauzas/naichuan) [END: 2018-11-08] starts here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/599208/ | 21:02 |
| melwitt | #link runway #2: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/use-nested-allocation-candidates (gibi) [END 2018-11-08] https://review.openstack.org/567268 | 21:02 |
| melwitt | this one, I'm not sure the status, need to ask gibi ^ | 21:02 |
| melwitt | #link runway #3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/initial-allocation-ratios (yikun) [END 2018-11-09] starts here https://review.openstack.org/602803 | 21:02 |
| melwitt | these are all ending soon, so we'll put new blueprints into runways next monday | 21:03 |
| melwitt | I was thinking because of summit week, we'll make the end dates 3 weeks from the start instead of 2 | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i was going to ask about that, and agree | 21:03 |
| mriedem | the initial allocs ratio ones didn't seem to get any reviews | 21:03 |
| mriedem | or reshape | 21:03 |
| melwitt | yeah, I know :( | 21:03 |
| melwitt | I'll put those back in the queue | 21:03 |
| dansmith | or | 21:04 |
| dansmith | just leave them in there for a bonus third week | 21:04 |
| melwitt | the past two weeks have been too hectic I think | 21:04 |
| melwitt | yeah, that's another option | 21:04 |
| efried | o/ | 21:04 |
| mriedem | they probably won't get reviewed next week either | 21:04 |
| melwitt | yeah, that was my concern on the bonus week. they'd need a bonus two weeks at least | 21:05 |
| mriedem | there are 2 single patch bps queued up, | 21:05 |
| mriedem | which i don't think should take the full 3 weeks, | 21:05 |
| dansmith | presumably that applies to anything you put or leave in there | 21:05 |
| mriedem | so i'd just rotate the ones we have after the summit | 21:05 |
| dansmith | hence it not seeming to matter | 21:05 |
| mriedem | sounds like we need a good ol fashioned HACKATHON | 21:06 |
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| melwitt | heh | 21:06 |
| melwitt | yeah, so I guess let's just rotate in the new ones and put the other two in the queue right behind and that way they all go back into runways in the next few weeks? | 21:07 |
| melwitt | ok, I guess I'll do that and if someone complains, we can reassess | 21:08 |
| melwitt | anything else for release news or runways before we move on? | 21:08 |
| melwitt | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:08 | |
| melwitt | no critical bugs in the link | 21:08 |
| melwitt | #link 59 new untriaged bugs (up 8 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:09 |
| melwitt | falling behind on triage as summit approaches, not unexpected | 21:09 |
| melwitt | #link 7 untagged untriaged bugs (down 2 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:09 |
| melwitt | doing well on bug tagging, thanks to the bug taggers | 21:09 |
| melwitt | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 21:09 |
| melwitt | #help need help with bug triage | 21:10 |
| melwitt | periodically take a look at tags you know and help triage if you can | 21:10 |
| melwitt | Gate status | 21:10 |
| melwitt | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:10 |
| melwitt | I don't know of any major issues | 21:10 |
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| melwitt | 3rd party CI | 21:10 |
| melwitt | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:10 |
| melwitt | anything else for bugs or gate status or third party CI? | 21:11 |
| melwitt | ok, moving on | 21:11 |
| melwitt | #topic Reminders | 21:11 |
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| melwitt | #link Stein Subteam Patches n Bugs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-nova-subteam-tracking | 21:11 |
| melwitt | #link Create etherpads for Forum sessions: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Berlin2018 | 21:11 |
| melwitt | I think all our sessions have etherpads by now, I will double check | 21:12 |
| melwitt | #link Add your name to cross-project forum sessions if you can attend: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-forum-stein | 21:12 |
| melwitt | we made a list of forum sessions and presentations of interest | 21:12 |
| melwitt | please add your name to any cross project sessions you'll be able to attend | 21:13 |
| melwitt | that way we can ask you what the highlights of the session were | 21:13 |
| melwitt | I think that's all I have for reminders. anyone have any other reminders to add? | 21:14 |
| melwitt | #topic Stable branch status | 21:14 |
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| melwitt | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/rocky,n,z | 21:14 |
| melwitt | #link Released rocky 18.0.3 on Nov 5: https://review.openstack.org/614575 | 21:14 |
| melwitt | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 21:14 |
| melwitt | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 21:14 |
| melwitt | I wanted to ask the group, should we release queens and pike too while we're at it? | 21:15 |
| melwitt | I can check if there are a lot of fixes since last release. I expect there will be | 21:15 |
| mriedem | haven't looked, | 21:16 |
| mriedem | rocky was the big one b/c of several upgrade-related issues/regressions | 21:16 |
| mriedem | so queens/pike is less critical right now | 21:16 |
| mriedem | i'd say, | 21:17 |
| mriedem | we do a stable review push after the summit and try to do a release around dec | 21:17 |
| melwitt | I like that idea | 21:17 |
| melwitt | ok | 21:17 |
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| melwitt | anything else for stable branch status? | 21:18 |
| melwitt | #topic Subteam Highlights | 21:18 |
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| melwitt | scheduler, efried? | 21:18 |
| efried | I had DST fail, cdent covered. | 21:19 |
| efried | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-11-05-14.00.log.html | 21:19 |
| efried | Two main topics seem to have been 1) performance improvements, reduction in placement calls; 2) alembic. | 21:19 |
| melwitt | yeah, there's an ML thread on that: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-November/136251.html | 21:20 |
| melwitt | (for meeting minute readers) | 21:20 |
| melwitt | thread on the perf issue | 21:21 |
| efried | The PoC patch has been supplanted by some real code, series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615606/ bottom two of which have merged. | 21:21 |
| efried | I'm still working through tests for some of the rest. But if you look at the placement logs after the "Reduce calls from _ensure" patch, you can see it go from ~650K to ~500K | 21:22 |
| efried | which is pretty much what we were going for. | 21:22 |
| efried | We don't really have a CI job that'll test it in steady state, because our CI jobs do stuff. | 21:22 |
| efried | I'll ask CERN to have a look at that hopefully. | 21:23 |
| melwitt | yeah, good idea | 21:23 |
| melwitt | efried: anything else? | 21:25 |
| efried | nope | 21:25 |
| melwitt | ok, thanks | 21:25 |
| melwitt | no notes on the agenda for the api subteam | 21:25 |
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| melwitt | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:25 |
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| melwitt | no items in the agenda. anyone have something for stuck reviews in the room? | 21:26 |
| melwitt | I assume that's no as usual | 21:26 |
| melwitt | #topic Open discussion | 21:26 |
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| melwitt | two items from me | 21:26 |
| melwitt | (melwitt): Nova meeting scheduled for 2018-11-22 at 2100 UTC falls on US holiday of Thanksgiving. Question: should we cancel this one since it's during the US time zone and we're unlikely to find anyone to run it? | 21:26 |
| mriedem | yes | 21:26 |
| melwitt | any objections from anyone? | 21:27 |
| melwitt | otherwise I'll send a note to the ML that we won't have meeting next week or week after | 21:27 |
| melwitt | next, just a FYI that I'll be on PTO the 2 weeks following summit while I'm in europe | 21:28 |
| melwitt | ok, next item on the agenda | 21:28 |
| melwitt | (sean-k-mooney): sriov live migration blueprint and spec ready for review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-neutron-sriov-livemigration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605116/ | 21:28 |
| melwitt | heads up that sean has updated the spec to address feedback and is ready for more reviews | 21:29 |
| melwitt | one more item in the agenda | 21:29 |
| melwitt | (jackding): Blueprint for review (do we need a spec?): Flavor extra spec and image properties validation https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/flavor-extra-spec-image-property-validation | 21:29 |
| mriedem | that's an api change, so yeah i think it warrants a spec to at least list the things that will be validated and how | 21:30 |
| mriedem | since i doubt we're going to cover everything out there | 21:30 |
| jackding | do we need a spec for this one? no API changes but have user interaction if validation fails | 21:30 |
| mriedem | it's not a microversion, | 21:30 |
| mriedem | but it's definitely a change in the api | 21:30 |
| melwitt | L923 from ptg discussions, for those needing a memory refresh https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-stein | 21:31 |
| melwitt | so, is this turning a ERROR instance situation into a synchronous user error from the api? if so, I didn't think that would be considered an api change but more akin to changing a 500 to a non-500 | 21:32 |
| jackding | yes I think so | 21:33 |
| mriedem | how/where this fits into things in the api, which extra specs / image properties are validated and which aren't, what to do with out of tree stuff, etc, i think is enough content to warrant a spec | 21:33 |
| melwitt | that's fair | 21:33 |
| edleafe | I think definitely a spec. With more information, we can figure out if it needs a microversion | 21:34 |
| melwitt | I was hyperfocused on the "api change" characterization | 21:34 |
| jackding | sure | 21:34 |
| mriedem | agree with ed, | 21:34 |
| mriedem | i just don't want to have jackding write a big code series and we get halfway and say, "whoa wtf" | 21:34 |
| edleafe | The 500 exception is because no client should ever have code to handle a 500 | 21:34 |
| mriedem | the user doesn't get a 500 today, but yeah - they get a 202 and then an instance in ERROR state later | 21:35 |
| melwitt | well, what I meant by that is, if we're changing behavior from an instance falling into ERROR state and replacing it with a fail fast api error to the user, that's not microversion-worthy | 21:35 |
| melwitt | but I'm not a api expert | 21:35 |
| melwitt | either way, I agree the amount of content needed to capture the change warrants the spec. and agree I want to catch potential issues early in the spec before jackding does and does a lot of work | 21:36 |
| jackding | I agree to have a spec to have this discussion going | 21:36 |
| melwitt | *goes and does | 21:36 |
| melwitt | ok, cool jackding. you can ping us when you've uploaded the spec | 21:37 |
| jackding | ok thanks | 21:37 |
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| melwitt | anyone have anything else for open discussion before we wrap up? | 21:38 |
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| melwitt | ok, I guess that's it. happy travels to those going to the summit next week, and seeya there | 21:38 |
| melwitt | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 8 21:38:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-11-08-21.00.html | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-11-08-21.00.txt | 21:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-11-08-21.00.log.html | 21:39 |
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