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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 20 15:01:35 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:01 |
| fungi | light agenda this week, but that's a good topic there | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | #topic Spruce up the security.openstack.org page | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spruce up the security.openstack.org page (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:03 | |
| gagehugo | yeah I believe we briefly touched on this last week? | 15:04 |
| nickthetait | hey | 15:04 |
| fungi | yep, it was also on our list of things we wanted help with | 15:04 |
| fungi | so this seems like a good way to kick off some of that | 15:05 |
| fungi | we can step through it section-by-section maybe and take notes on what it might need? | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | that sounds good | 15:06 |
| fungi | i just skimmed the preamble and it still seems fine to me, though it could maybe do with content about more than just ossa.ossn | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | yeah looking at that now | 15:07 |
| fungi | ideally any of the high-level sections of that page (at least any we don't decide should be (re)moved) would be good to introduce there as well | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | #topic how to report security issues | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "how to report security issues (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:08 | |
| gagehugo | I'm writing all this down in the agenda notes btw | 15:09 |
| fungi | thanks! | 15:09 |
| fungi | so on security reporting, we ought to include process for reporting via storyboard | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | definitely | 15:10 |
| nickthetait | that sounds good :) | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | maybe add info about not marking public things as private too, I've seen that before | 15:10 |
| fungi | it's a glaring omission at the moment, and recent feature improvements in storyboard also make for a much nicer workflow in this regard | 15:10 |
| fungi | oh, yeah that's a great suggestion gagehugo | 15:11 |
| fungi | basically warn reporters that if you initially report something in public, we're going to just assume it was disclosed at that point | 15:11 |
| fungi | as lots of people will have received notifications about it | 15:12 |
| fungi | and it's not worth trying to put that cat back in the bag | 15:12 |
| fungi | those beans back in the can | 15:12 |
| fungi | whatever metaphor you prefer | 15:12 |
| nickthetait | toothpaste in the tube! | 15:12 |
| fungi | that one! | 15:12 |
| fungi | otherwise i thnik this section is in good shape | 15:13 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:13 |
| gagehugo | #topic security info for openstack deployers | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "security info for openstack deployers (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:13 | |
| gagehugo | ossa looks fine | 15:13 |
| fungi | the preamble here is a bit disconnected as a bullet list | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | remove the bullet list? | 15:14 |
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| fungi | i thought we ought to rework it as prose (but also not try to significantly duplicate any summary we put in the top level preamble for the page) | 15:14 |
| fungi | maybe just a couple sentences there | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:15 |
| * fungi is not a fan of higher-level headings which are directly followed with lower-level headings and no information to introduce them | 15:15 | |
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| fungi | the ossa section seems fine, yeah. it's mostly just autogenerated from the most recent ossa titles anyway | 15:17 |
| fungi | the ossn section could probably stand to have "(OSSN)" appended to its heading title for consistency | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:18 |
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| fungi | more of a separate-but-related project, getting the ossn corpus imported into a git repo would allow us to autogenerate content similar to how we do for ossa | 15:19 |
| fungi | the ossa section doesn't really have much in the way of internal description, while the ossn section is nothing but | 15:19 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:19 |
| gagehugo | makes sense | 15:20 |
| fungi | we've also said in the past that we consider an ossn to be an addendum to the security guide, might be nice to mention that somewhere | 15:20 |
| fungi | (which is why they're sequentially numbered and not arranged by year) | 15:20 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:21 |
| nickthetait | should I add that into security guide? | 15:21 |
| fungi | maybe? not sure | 15:21 |
| nickthetait | i'll keep eyes open to see if there is a good place | 15:21 |
| nickthetait | (currently reading through the whole thing) | 15:22 |
| fungi | in fact, we could stand to explain the numbering schemes for both ossa and ossn, maybe that belongs in the security information preamble prose | 15:22 |
| fungi | one other thing (not to get too far off topic, sorry) which ossn in git could provide is an easy way to transclude them as *actual* addenda in the security guide builds | 15:23 |
| fungi | or maybe even just as a generated index in an appendix or embedded into the toc | 15:23 |
| fungi | but that's a nice-to-have for later | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:24 |
| fungi | the security guide section looks okay to me, assuming we get the guide itself refreshed a bit | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | that's a rabbit hole heh | 15:25 |
| * nickthetait nods | 15:25 | |
| fungi | but as nickthetait is the one who has presumably been looking most closely at it lately, he may have ideas for things we should add/remove in that paragraph | 15:25 |
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| fungi | i feel like the security project blog section should probably be removed, unless we have volunteers to resurrect that effort | 15:27 |
| nickthetait | seems reasonable in its current state | 15:27 |
| nickthetait | yeah :S | 15:27 |
| fungi | hails from an era when we had far more folks in the ossg who liked to write editorials | 15:27 |
| fungi | we could still link to it from somewhere as a source of historical info, i dunno | 15:28 |
| fungi | it looks like it only really existed for ~1.5 years and hasn't been touched in almost 2 years now | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | yeah :/ | 15:28 |
| fungi | or longer if you ignore the most recent post which was nearly a year gap from the one preceding it | 15:28 |
| nickthetait | any blog posts that are particularly relevant/noteworthy? | 15:29 |
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| fungi | some look like things which might make sense to incorporate into the security guide if they're still relevant, but also i don't see any license listed so would need to get permission from each author for the pieces in question | 15:30 |
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| nickthetait | i was thinking of just a little bit of curation, linking to a few important ones | 15:31 |
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| gagehugo | #topic security info for openstack devs | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "security info for openstack devs (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:33 | |
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| gagehugo | propose/review could be updated for storyboard, although the process is the same | 15:35 |
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| gagehugo | the development guides could probably use curating | 15:39 |
| fungi | sorry, power went out briefly | 15:40 |
| gagehugo | no worries | 15:41 |
| fungi | and yeah, i might hold off on adding storyboard bits there until we get the attachments feature in place | 15:41 |
| fungi | it's close now, so we can soon recommend attaching patches instead of having to quote them in story comments | 15:42 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:42 |
| fungi | just saves having to rewrite heavily | 15:43 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:43 |
| gagehugo | #topic OpenStack Security Project¶ | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Security Project¶ (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:44 | |
| gagehugo | this definitely needs some love | 15:44 |
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| fungi | in need of a post-sig rewrite | 15:44 |
| gagehugo | yes | 15:44 |
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| gagehugo | Do we want bandit & syntribos here? | 15:48 |
| fungi | i suspect not any longer | 15:50 |
| fungi | while bandit started within our community it has grown beyond and is now officially maintained outside openstack | 15:51 |
| gagehugo | so remove the security tool section then? | 15:51 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:51 |
| nickthetait | sure | 15:51 |
| fungi | syntribos looked promising, but seems like it may have been abandoned? | 15:51 |
| fungi | if so, then this section should likely go away | 15:51 |
| gagehugo | Yeah, it gets occasional zuul-related updates | 15:52 |
| gagehugo | afaik | 15:52 |
| fungi | (and we should perhaps visit retiring the syntribos repo) | 15:52 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:53 |
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| gagehugo | Nice job everyone, got a good list of todos | 15:56 |
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| nickthetait | \o/ | 15:57 |
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| gagehugo | I'll add retiring syntribos to the newsletter and maybe someone will respond | 15:57 |
| fungi | awesome | 15:58 |
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| gagehugo | otherwise thanks everyone and have a good rest of the week & weekend! | 15:58 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| nickthetait | made good use of our meeting time today | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 20 15:59:01 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| nickthetait | later | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-06-20-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-06-20-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-06-20-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
| fungi | thanks gagehugo! | 15:59 |
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| mriedem | snarf | 21:00 |
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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 20 21:01:10 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:01 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | this is going very well | 21:03 |
| efried | so far so good | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i blame aspiers for distracting you | 21:03 |
| dustinc | o/! | 21:04 |
| efried | It's actually code that was distracting me. | 21:05 |
| mriedem | is that a stick figure holding some kind of dead varmint? | 21:05 |
| efried | #link agenda (updated moments ago) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:05 |
| efried | #topic Last meeting | 21:05 |
| efried | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-06-13-14.00.html | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| dustinc | gold medal for showing up maybe | 21:05 |
| mriedem | dustinc: that's a bronze at best | 21:06 |
| dustinc | it's probably not even metal | 21:06 |
| efried | actions from last time: | 21:06 |
| efried | efried to (delegate? or) send email complaining about climbing bug numbers | 21:06 |
| efried | artom to create etherpad for "plz someone else own this" and link to low-hanging fruit section of wiki | 21:06 |
| efried | artom to create etherpad for "plz someone else own this" and link from near low-hanging fruit section of wiki | 21:06 |
| mriedem | looks like both were successful | 21:06 |
| efried | That first thing happened, and (whether in response to that, or the discussion during meeting, or whatever) things happened -- more on that later. | 21:06 |
| efried | Yes, the latter also happened - got a link handy? | 21:06 |
| mriedem | nope! | 21:06 |
| mriedem | i know at least one old ass patch merged b/c of it though | 21:07 |
| efried | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mentoring#Work_Items_for_New_Contributors | 21:07 |
| efried | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-reviews-looking-for-owner | 21:07 |
| efried | Thanks artom-in-absentia | 21:07 |
| efried | #topic Release News | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:08 | |
| mriedem | ah i don't think that mentoring wiki is linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova | 21:08 |
| mriedem | hard to find | 21:08 |
| mriedem | oh nvm it is, sort of hidden | 21:08 |
| efried | Spec freeze is closer than you think. We should probably do another review push soon. But I'm not going to try to get votes on that with four of us here. | 21:09 |
| efried | any other release news? | 21:09 |
| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Train_Release_Schedule july 25 yeah? | 21:09 |
| mriedem | 4 weeks | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i feel like we've got enough damn specs | 21:10 |
| dustinc | I am still working on the use sdk spec, hoping to push big update today or tomorrow | 21:10 |
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| dustinc | been distracted a bit by other work but pushing everything else off to get that done asap | 21:10 |
| mriedem | as a data point, | 21:10 |
| efried | agree mriedem - a spec sprint at this point should be "get merged the ones that are gonna merge, defer ones that aren't" | 21:11 |
| mriedem | we have 26 approved blueprints for train, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/train - and 5 of those are complete. some of the already-approved blueprints are huge though | 21:11 |
| efried | That's a smaller number than last year. How many pending? | 21:11 |
| mriedem | it might be good to comb through what's close-ish and try to focus on putting those over the line | 21:11 |
| mriedem | 42 targeted in lp | 21:11 |
| mriedem | idk how many open specs there are | 21:11 |
| mriedem | i know alex and intel are pushing on the virtual pmem stuff | 21:12 |
| efried | 30 open patches in the specs repo with a path of specs/train/approved | 21:12 |
| efried | not all of those are actual specs | 21:12 |
| efried | five are -2 | 21:12 |
| mriedem | i would say if we do another review sprint day, | 21:13 |
| mriedem | come with an etherpad pre-loaded with categories of ready-ness and priority so we can focus on what's close to get over the line | 21:13 |
| efried | ack | 21:13 |
| mriedem | b/c i'm not going to start reviewing these RMD specs seriously at this point | 21:13 |
| efried | yeah, those are dead, the only thing left of RMD is providers.yaml -- which is in need of an update | 21:13 |
| efried | #action efried to put together a spec review etherpad with status and closeness kind of info, and propose a spec review day to push close ones over the line and clear not-close ones off the radar. Kind of thing. | 21:15 |
| efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:15 |
| efried | No Critical bugs | 21:15 |
| efried | #link 62 new untriaged bugs (down 27!! since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:15 |
| efried | #link 1 untagged untriaged bugs (down 11!! since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:15 | |
| efried | #success Big improvement in bug triage this week! | 21:15 |
| efried | mm, maybe successbot doesn't live here. shrug | 21:16 |
| efried | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:17 |
| efried | This one has been sucking lately http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html#1694501 | 21:17 |
| efried | #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:18 |
| efried | that's odd, results from the last couple dozen aren't showing, though they have results. | 21:19 |
| efried | will see if I can track down mmedvede | 21:19 |
| mriedem | there is an email in the ML about that site | 21:19 |
| mriedem | being stale | 21:19 |
| efried | oh | 21:19 |
| efried | hm, not seeing it. | 21:19 |
| efried | he set that up because tintri went dead. Now...? | 21:20 |
| mriedem | now i can't find the email either | 21:20 |
| efried | yeah, I think you made that up. | 21:20 |
| efried | #topic Reminders | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:21 | |
| efried | any? | 21:21 |
| efried | #topic Stable branch status | 21:21 |
| efried | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 21:21 |
| efried | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 21:21 |
| efried | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:21 | |
| efried | mriedem: anything to note about stable? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | there was a rocky release | 21:21 |
| efried | \o/ | 21:21 |
| mriedem | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665514/ | 21:21 |
| mriedem | next step is flushing the stable/queens reviews and doing a release | 21:21 |
| efried | neat | 21:22 |
| efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 21:22 |
| efried | Placement (cdent) | 21:22 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/007147.html | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:22 | |
| efried | #link Spec for the rest of nested magic is ready to merge (he says, hopefully) https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662191/ | 21:22 |
| efried | fwiw, this ^ and the | 21:24 |
| efried | #link code for root_required, series starting at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665491/ | 21:24 |
| efried | piece of it have been what's been taking up my chair time for the past week or so. | 21:24 |
| efried | #link rg/rp mappings is merged, series starting at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662785/ | 21:24 |
| efried | microversion 1.34 ^ | 21:25 |
| efried | someone should start using that | 21:25 |
| efried | in nova | 21:25 |
| efried | oh, mriedem, re root_required, this bud's for you. | 21:25 |
| efried | It's specifically for your use cases like MULTI_ATTACH | 21:25 |
| mriedem | you know i'm not actively working on that yeah... ? | 21:25 |
| efried | Yeah, but you started it. | 21:26 |
| efried | so, you should review it or profess adequate guilt for not doing so | 21:26 |
| mriedem | i don't feel too guilty about putting up a WIP idea and then watching you guys go nuts with it | 21:26 |
| efried | cold | 21:27 |
| efried | so cold | 21:27 |
| mriedem | ice cold | 21:27 |
| * dustinc shivers | 21:27 | |
| efried | API (gmann) | 21:27 |
| efried | Updates on ML- #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/007249.html | 21:27 |
| mriedem | i might be turning into cdent with the "do we really need this yet? is someone wanting it?" | 21:27 |
| efried | I f'in thought *YOU* wanted it | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | oh my | 21:27 |
| mriedem | i had a solution | 21:27 |
| mriedem | hacky but it was a solution | 21:27 |
| efried | and somehow you sleep at night | 21:28 |
| mriedem | i don't actually | 21:28 |
| efried | gmann: anything to add on API? | 21:28 |
| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:29 |
| efried | Any? | 21:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:29 | |
| efried | #topic Review status page | 21:29 |
| efried | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#nova | 21:29 |
| efried | Count: 462 (-1); Top score: 1504 (-185) | 21:29 |
| efried | #help Pick a patch near the top, shepherd it to closure | 21:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status page (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:29 | |
| efried | I've noticed action here, thank you | 21:29 |
| efried | the overall count hasn't gone down much but I guess that's because patches are coming in fast as well. | 21:29 |
| efried | #topic Open discussion | 21:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:30 | |
| efried | go | 21:30 |
| efried | okay | 21:31 |
| efried | thanks all | 21:31 |
| efried | and by "all" I mean the three of you. | 21:31 |
| efried | o/ | 21:31 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 20 21:31:29 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-06-20-21.01.html | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-06-20-21.01.txt | 21:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-06-20-21.01.log.html | 21:31 |
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