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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 14:00:49 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| LiangFang | o/ | 14:01 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:01 |
| kevinz | o/ | 14:01 |
| brinzhang__ | o/ | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 14:02 |
| stephenfin | o/ | 14:02 |
| lyarwood | o/ | 14:02 |
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| efried | Hello all! | 14:02 |
| efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:03 |
| efried | Let's roll | 14:03 |
| efried | #topic Last meeting | 14:03 |
| efried | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-02-13-21.00.html | 14:03 |
| efried | ACTION: lyarwood to curate rocky EM list (from two weeks ago) | 14:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
| lyarwood | efried: yup apologies but I've not found the time to get to this as yet | 14:04 |
| lyarwood | efried: I'll try to find time before the end of the week to send this out | 14:04 |
| efried | Okay, no worries. Have they officially EM'd the thing yet? | 14:04 |
| lyarwood | not offically AFAIK | 14:04 |
| gibi | lyarwood: ping elod he might able to help | 14:04 |
| lyarwood | but it's pending | 14:04 |
| lyarwood | gibi: ack will do | 14:04 |
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| efried | cool, I guess we have until... whenever they do that :) | 14:05 |
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| efried | I'll keep this on the agenda for next time. | 14:05 |
| efried | any other old business? | 14:05 |
| efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:06 |
| efried | No Critical bugs | 14:06 |
| efried | However, our untriaged bug counts are still climbing. | 14:06 |
| efried | 101 'new untriaged' as of yesterday | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:06 | |
| efried | #help need help with bug triage | 14:06 |
| efried | #link 101 new untriaged bugs (+5 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:06 |
| efried | #link 27 untagged untriaged bugs (+6 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:06 |
| efried | any comments on bugs? | 14:06 |
| gibi | >100 so we are doomed. | 14:06 |
| gibi | lets move on :) | 14:06 |
| efried | ikr | 14:06 |
| efried | #topic Release Planning | 14:07 |
| efried | #link ussuri planning etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ussuri-planning | 14:07 |
| efried | Spec freeze has passed. | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:07 | |
| gibi | I will try to do some triage at some point in the future :) | 14:07 |
| efried | thanks gibi | 14:07 |
| efried | so, there are a couple of exceptions on the agenda | 14:07 |
| efried | first: | 14:07 |
| efried | #link support-volume-local-cache http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012615.html | 14:07 |
| gibi | the cinder spec has been approved today | 14:08 |
| gibi | I'm supportive to approve the nova spec | 14:08 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 14:08 |
| brinzhang__ | gibi: agree approve this spec | 14:08 |
| gibi | dansmith is not supportive but he is not -1 either | 14:09 |
| LiangFang | hope team can approve it, so customers can try this feature and give feedback to improve it in next release. thanks | 14:09 |
| efried | Okay, sounds like gibi and alex_xu are willing to approve the spec. Is it ready now? | 14:09 |
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| efried | looks like it is, I see those +2s. | 14:09 |
| efried | Okay, let's grant the sfe here. Any objections? | 14:09 |
| gibi | yeah, it looks good to me | 14:09 |
| efried | #action efried unblock and +W the support-volume-local-cache spec after the meeting https://review.opendev.org/#/c/689070/ | 14:10 |
| efried | next: | 14:10 |
| LiangFang | thanks team | 14:10 |
| efried | #link destroy-instance-with-datavolume http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012616.html | 14:10 |
| efried | Looks like the spec needs a bit of work, but is it pretty close? | 14:11 |
| gibi | gmann has a request to use PATCH instead of PUT. I can accept that | 14:11 |
| efried | do we have a second core on board here? | 14:11 |
| gibi | I think that is the biggest change | 14:11 |
| gmann | IMO, that is best way to go and keep already complex swap API as it is. | 14:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | the rest are mainly wordign nits that can be adress in a FUP if needed | 14:12 |
| gibi | could somebody proxy gmann's and sean-k-mooney's +1 as a +2 ? :) | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | what is the body for PATCH action? | 14:13 |
| lyarwood | *if* we switch to PATCH right? | 14:13 |
| efried | I... don't feel _great_about that | 14:13 |
| efried | brinzhang__: --^ | 14:14 |
| brinzhang__ | I don’t know much about PATCH, please forgive me for not saying too much. | 14:14 |
| gmann | delete-termination flag and volume id | 14:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | alex_xu: the body would just be {delete_on_terminate:True|false} | 14:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | gmann: we could take the volume_id form the url | 14:15 |
| gmann | and volume id in url. or somethings we can decide bets possible design | 14:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | im not sure that needs to be there | 14:15 |
| gmann | yeah | 14:15 |
| brinzhang__ | using swap volume API, and keep that condition inline, is it ok? | 14:15 |
| alex_xu | I'm not sure about the PATCH, I'm ok with existing PUT, the only concern is the policy. there should be another policy for delete_on_termination | 14:15 |
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| sean-k-mooney | it should be admin or owner right | 14:16 |
| alex_xu | yea | 14:16 |
| brinzhang__ | sean-k-mooney: yeash | 14:16 |
| gmann | alex_xu: but existing PUT is for updating the "attachments of server" not updating the attachments property. | 14:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | i would have assumed that was the same policy for swap volume | 14:17 |
| alex_xu | the existing swap API is admin-only, I don't think the usecase is for admin-only | 14:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | oh i see | 14:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya ok makes sense | 14:17 |
| lyarwood | another reason for going with PUT over UPDATE tbh | 14:18 |
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| lyarwood | overloading the swap volume API is just wrong | 14:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | lyarwood: did you mean PATCH | 14:18 |
| lyarwood | PATCH even sorry | 14:18 |
| lyarwood | yeah | 14:18 |
| gmann | yeah. from user point view it will be too much mixing things in single API | 14:18 |
| gmann | especially when we called PUT as swap volume API in our doc. | 14:19 |
| efried | So look, I want to be permissive here, but it's tough to justify this exception if we're still discussing nontrivial design details after spec freeze. | 14:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | so PATCH we could make admin_or_owner by default and restict it to just the delete_on_termination property of the attachment | 14:19 |
| lyarwood | efried: agreed | 14:19 |
| gibi | efried: agree | 14:19 |
| gibi | this seems to be still open | 14:19 |
| gmann | sean-k-mooney: +1. owner should be able to update it. | 14:20 |
| efried | There seems to be genuine desire among the team to make something work here, which is nice to see. | 14:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | efried: if it was not for the legacy of swap volume this seams like a thing we would have just trivially approved | 14:21 |
| efried | What about this: If y'all can figure out a way to get the spec updated and approved by EOB tomorrow, we'll allow the exception? | 14:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | i would be fine with ^ | 14:21 |
| lyarwood | sounds good | 14:21 |
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| efried | gibi, alex_xu: those +2s would be on you. Are you on board with that? | 14:21 |
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| alex_xu | ok for me | 14:22 |
| gibi | efried: sure | 14:22 |
| gibi | my EOB is in 3 hours | 14:22 |
| efried | brinzhang__: seem fair? | 14:22 |
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| efried | yes, I figure it is more likely to happen tomorrow "morning". | 14:22 |
| brinzhang__ | efried:agree, I will ask gibi and alex_xu to do something | 14:23 |
| efried | alex_xu, gibi: if you leave your +2s on it by your EOB, I'll swap the CR-2 for W+1 in my daytime. | 14:23 |
| alex_xu | got it | 14:24 |
| efried | Thanks all. Anything further on sfes before we move on? | 14:24 |
| gibi | got it | 14:24 |
| brinzhang__ | thanks all | 14:24 |
| efried | #agreed to grant sfe for support-volume-local-cache if two +2s by EOB Friday 20200221 | 14:25 |
| gibi | delete on terminate ? | 14:25 |
| efried | whoops | 14:25 |
| efried | #undo | 14:25 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #agreed to grant sfe for support-volume-local-cache if two +2s by EOB Friday 20200221 | 14:25 |
| efried | #agreed to grant sfe for destroy-instance-with-datavolume if two +2s by EOB Friday 20200221 | 14:25 |
| efried | thanks gibi | 14:25 |
| gibi | :) | 14:25 |
| efried | okay, moving on... | 14:26 |
| brinzhang__ | gibi, alex_xu: thanks | 14:26 |
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| efried | #link Proposal to scrub five Definition:Approved blueprints http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012612.html | 14:26 |
| efried | bauzas expressed his opinion on the thread. TLDR: why do this? It ain't broke, don't fix it. | 14:26 |
| efried | I've gotten the impression many of you agree, or are at best neutral | 14:27 |
| efried | thoughts from those present? | 14:27 |
| gibi | is there any bp that is easy to cut out? | 14:28 |
| gibi | if not then lets go with 30 | 14:28 |
| stephenfin | I get where you're coming from but I have to agree with bauzas - I think this stuff will work itself out naturally | 14:28 |
| gibi | there is no clear -1s on the etherpad so I'm on the side to continue with 30 | 14:29 |
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| efried | Yes, it always does work itself out naturally. | 14:29 |
| efried | Okay then, I stand down. | 14:29 |
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| efried | #agreed to Direction:Approve all Definition:Approved blueprints | 14:30 |
| efried | moving on | 14:30 |
| efried | we already talked about rocky EM | 14:30 |
| efried | #action efried to fup with lyarwood next week | 14:30 |
| efried | #undo | 14:30 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action efried to fup with lyarwood next week | 14:30 |
| efried | #action efried to fup with lyarwood next week about rocky EM | 14:30 |
| efried | #topic PTG/Summit planning | 14:31 |
| efried | Please mark attendance and topics on | 14:31 |
| efried | #link PTG etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-victoria-ptg | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG/Summit planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:31 | |
| efried | I submitted the attendance survey | 14:31 |
| efried | stating we would have about 20 people | 14:31 |
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| efried | and asking for a 20-person "room", with the note that one of nova/cinder/ironic/neutron ought to have a 40-person room for xproj stuff. | 14:32 |
| efried | and saying we would need a minimum of 1 day | 14:32 |
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| gibi | make sense | 14:32 |
| efried | but under the "who's gonna run the room" question, a big shrug. I guess it will be clearer after we have a Victoria PTL. | 14:33 |
| efried | I'm sure diablo_rojo_phon understands that. | 14:33 |
| efried | any comments questions concerns? | 14:33 |
| gibi | in Shanghai we made that dynamic | 14:33 |
| efried | ++ | 14:34 |
| gibi | there was always 2-3 cores in the room and handled the agenda together | 14:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya i think that makes sense | 14:34 |
| efried | cool | 14:35 |
| efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 14:35 |
| efried | Placement (tetsuro) | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:35 | |
| efried | It seems melwitt is driving the consumer types work along. Otherwise nothing going here that I'm aware of. | 14:35 |
| efried | API (gmann) | 14:36 |
| efried | There's an update from last week: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012563.html | 14:36 |
| efried | not sure if there's anything new we haven't already talked about above | 14:36 |
| gmann | that's all for this week. something we need to start working and add in report is API bug triage. I have not looked on numbers yet | 14:37 |
| efried | bug-in-general triage. Perhaps we should reinstate the 'bug czar' | 14:37 |
| efried | gmann: care to volunteer? :P | 14:37 |
| gmann | efried: i can do but after policy and py2 drop work | 14:37 |
| efried | that would be really great, thank you. | 14:38 |
| efried | IIUC the bug czar is responsible for bugging people about bugs | 14:38 |
| efried | not solely responsible for triage etc, but coordinates the effort | 14:38 |
| gmann | ok. | 14:38 |
| efried | moving on before gmann changes his mind... | 14:39 |
| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:39 | |
| efried | any? | 14:39 |
| efried | #topic Open discussion | 14:39 |
| efried | [efried] Exiting OpenStack | 14:39 |
| efried | #help PTL pro tem needed | 14:39 |
| efried | #link call for volunteers http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012663.html | 14:39 |
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| efried | A deafening silence followed last week's call for volunteers. Ditto email responses on that topic. | 14:40 |
| efried | There's very little official/documented process for replacing a PTL mid cycle https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ptl.html#handing-over-ptl-duties | 14:40 |
| efried | I'll just point out the ominous "figure it out or the TC gets involved" bit. | 14:41 |
| gibi | I totally agree that we have to solve the situation somehow | 14:41 |
| efried | wrt knowledge transfer, I really don't feel like anybody who would be volunteering here would need a huge amount of handoff; you all pretty much know how to run this thing. | 14:41 |
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| gmann | and nova PTL guide cover most of things which is really nice doc and only few project have. | 14:42 |
| gibi | efried: if you see someting to update in ^^ then that would be appreciated | 14:42 |
| efried | Yes, good call, I've had that TODO for a while to take a swipe at that doc | 14:43 |
| efried | anybody have that link handy? | 14:43 |
| efried | I have it *somewhere*... | 14:43 |
| gibi | I hope gmann has :) | 14:43 |
| efried | this one? https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/ptl-guide.html | 14:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | gmann: i think its a cross project goal to add it to ther projects | 14:43 |
| gibi | efried: that is the doc | 14:44 |
| gmann | yeah. efried is fast | 14:44 |
| efried | #action efried to look at the nova PTL guide and update if/as appropriate | 14:44 |
| efried | #link nova ptl guide https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/ptl-guide.html | 14:44 |
| efried | Okay, that's everything on the agenda. Anything else to discuss before we close? | 14:45 |
| kevinz | yes | 14:45 |
| efried | kevinz: your floor | 14:45 |
| kevinz | I have one about bring arm64 CI on arm64 | 14:45 |
| kevinz | we have donate some nodes to nodepool already, wanna to define some jobs | 14:45 |
| kevinz | a draft here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arm64-nova-ci | 14:46 |
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| kevinz | but actually not sure which jobs are related with multi-arch as the first to enable | 14:47 |
| kevinz | The draft is picked up from one submit and remove some ones that looks not related with architecture | 14:48 |
| efried | At a glance, there are a couple of things that look odd to me, like creating a whole pipeline for this. It's unclear to me whether this should just be a job in the experimental queue (for now) or a 3pCI or... | 14:48 |
| efried | sean-k-mooney, gmann: would one of you be willing to liaise with kevinz to work out the kinks here? | 14:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | am sure i can try and help | 14:49 |
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| gmann | sure. | 14:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | kevinz: i noteiced there is a sperate check-arm64 pipeline right | 14:49 |
| kevinz | thanks a lot! | 14:49 |
| efried | Thanks. | 14:49 |
| efried | kevinz: are you able to hang out in #openstack-nova and/or #openstack-qa to chat with gmann and sean-k-mooney? | 14:50 |
| kevinz | sean-k-mooey: yes, due to lacking of essential nodes. so we define a separate pipeline | 14:50 |
| efried | (we don't want to discuss it here) | 14:50 |
| kevinz | sure no | 14:50 |
| kevinz | sure np | 14:50 |
| kevinz | :D | 14:50 |
| efried | Great. | 14:50 |
| efried | Anything else to discuss? | 14:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya we can discuss it in either just ping me | 14:51 |
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| kevinz | OK, thx | 14:51 |
| efried | Okay, thanks for a productive meeting. | 14:51 |
| efried | o/ | 14:51 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 14:51:36 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-02-20-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-02-20-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-02-20-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 14:52 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 15:00:18 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:00 |
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| gagehugo | #topic OSSA-2020-01 released | 15:05 |
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| fungi | i'm quadruple-booked for today's meeting, btw | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | fungi: ack | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | #link https://security.openstack.org/ossa/OSSA-2020-001.html | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | the first ossa of 2020 was released yesterday | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | (on a ~5 year old bug) | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | #topic open-discussion | 15:08 |
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| gagehugo | fungi: anything else for this week? otherwise we can end early | 15:08 |
| fungi | the updates to cmt process docs merged | 15:09 |
| fungi | er, vmt | 15:09 |
| * fungi doesn't know anything about cmt's processes but assumes they involve hound dogs and pick-up trucks | 15:09 | |
| gagehugo | heh | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/678426/ | 15:10 |
| redrobot | 👀 | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | wait wrong one | 15:11 |
| fungi | yeah, there were a couple for the ossa repo | 15:11 |
| fungi | #link https://review.opendev.org/707722 Note the 90-day embargo limit | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | yeah that one | 15:12 |
| fungi | #link https://review.opendev.org/708236 Overhaul process for additional SB/LP differences | 15:12 |
| fungi | was the other | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | so for the process here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/post-678426-tasks | 15:12 |
| fungi | so it's likely time to follow up on the original openstack-discuss ml thread which introduced 678426 | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:12 |
| fungi | from ~august | 15:12 |
| * fungi finds | 15:12 | |
| gagehugo | hmm | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | I can write that up today if that works | 15:14 |
| fungi | sounds great. i can dig up the previous thread and get you a link in #openstack-security | 15:16 |
| gagehugo | cool | 15:16 |
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| gagehugo | fungi: anything else? | 15:20 |
| fungi | nope, nothing from me | 15:20 |
| fungi | thanks! | 15:20 |
| gagehugo | ok, I'll get that email sent then | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | redrobot: o/ | 15:21 |
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| redrobot | \o sorry, laptop crashed | 15:21 |
| redrobot | I'm just lurking as usual :) | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | no worries | 15:21 |
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| gagehugo | redrobot fungi: thanks for attending, have a good week! | 15:22 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:22 |
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