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| abhishekk | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 14:01:01 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| mhen | greetings o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| * dansmith lurks | 14:01 | |
| Steap | (croelandt here, this is my only registered nick) | 14:01 |
| Steap | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke | o/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | cool, lets start | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | #topic release/periodic jobs update | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release/periodic jobs update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| abhishekk | V2 is 3 weeks away | 14:02 |
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| abhishekk | we need reviews on specs and get those merged within next couple of weeks | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | so please spend some time in reviewing specs | 14:03 |
| dansmith | so I need to get a spec up for the admin delegation thing soon | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | apart from specs, dansmith and I found 3-4 bugs around copy plugins, patches for those fixes are up as well | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | kindly review them as well | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, yes | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | After meeting I will send mail regarding review priorities of the week | 14:04 |
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| dansmith | are there no approved glance specs for v yet? | 14:05 |
| dansmith | directory looks empty | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, nothing at the moment | 14:05 |
| dansmith | yikes okay | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | I know :( | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | regarding periodic job we have 1 timeout for all days in a week to functional-py36 jobs | 14:06 |
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| abhishekk | will spend some time around it to identify the cause of timeout | 14:07 |
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| abhishekk | jokke, rosmaita, smcginnis please focus on specs reviews as much as possible | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | moving ahead | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: ack | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | I am going to skip 2nd and 3rd topic which is about reviews, backport reviews which I will include in a review priority mail | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | Directly jumping to Open discussion | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | #topic Open Discussion | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:09 | |
| abhishekk | Retry feature for glanceclient, like the one in neutronclient? | 14:09 |
| Steap | Yep | 14:09 |
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| Steap | so this is asked by one of my customers | 14:09 |
| Steap | Obviously this is useless if the network is terribly bad | 14:10 |
| Steap | but the idea kind of makes sense to me | 14:10 |
| Steap | The neutron client can retry certain requests after they failed | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | Steap: can you give an example scenario for glanceclient | 14:10 |
| Steap | this is something that can be done when the client is used as a library | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | So in what kind of failures it does consider for retrying? | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | just what rosmaita asked | 14:11 |
| Steap | The customer who requested that failed that it could be useful when Glance is used with Cinder | 14:11 |
| Steap | so Cinder would actually ask glance to retry N times | 14:12 |
| Steap | as I said, I'm a bit afraid that the customer's network is at fault here :) | 14:12 |
| Steap | but it can happen that something goes wrong, and retrying fixes the issue | 14:12 |
| Steap | the default behaviour would be the same as right now: do not retry anything, ever. | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | on the cinder side, i think we already retry when trying to get stuff out of glance | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | at the moment I am not able to point out any scenario where we can retry on failure | 14:14 |
| Steap | so you "manually" call client.method() multiple times | 14:14 |
| Steap | abhishekk: let's say you want to get a list of all images and are hit with a network error | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | I can relate it but imo this retry thing should be added in the consumer of client | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | https://opendev.org/openstack/cinder/src/branch/master/cinder/image/glance.py#L205-L214 | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | same thing ^^ | 14:17 |
| Steap | hehe | 14:17 |
| jokke | yeah, for cli part I can see why it would be nce to have retry in image-list ... if you fail paging call 100 and the whole thing blows up at that point, it might be bit annoying ;) | 14:18 |
| Steap | ok, it makes sense to not add the "retry" option in both the library and the consumer | 14:18 |
| jokke | but for the python lib side, yes I do agree that the consumer should catch the errors they expect and handle retries if they so wish to do | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:19 |
| Steap | I was not aware Cinder already did this | 14:19 |
| Steap | so let's forget about the generic retry in the library | 14:19 |
| jokke | ++ | 14:20 |
| Steap | I'll deal with my customer :) | 14:20 |
| Steap | thanks | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | and the number of retries is configurable in cinder | 14:20 |
| jokke | Thanks Cyril | 14:20 |
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| abhishekk | Step (cyril :D) thank you | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | mhen, you are next | 14:20 |
| mhen | so I was playing around with Global Request IDs in OpenStack and l believe I identified two issues in Glance | 14:21 |
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| mhen | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-June/015672.html | 14:21 |
| mhen | If any of you could spare a few minutes to have a look and tell me whether/where to report this, I would appreciate it | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | will go through your mail and comment/reply accordingly | 14:22 |
| mhen | abhishekk, thank you | 14:23 |
| mhen | it's not urgent for me | 14:23 |
| mhen | but didn't receive any reply so far, so just wanted to make you aware | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | this request-id work has been to old to remember now, so need some to time to remember it | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | mhen: off topic, but i left a comment on your spec, but it basically looks ok to me | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | I have seen that mail but didn't got time, but will try to put some time in this week | 14:24 |
| mhen | abhishekk, appreciated | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | mhen, no problem, thanks for bringing this in discussion | 14:24 |
| jokke | Couple of qick things from my side: | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | next one is also yours | 14:25 |
| mhen | jokke, related to the global request id thingy? | 14:25 |
| jokke | nope generally on open discussion | 14:26 |
| mhen | I have one other topic if you don't mind | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | mhen, we need support in python-glanceclient as well | 14:26 |
| jokke | mhen: absolutely go for it | 14:27 |
| mhen | abhishekk, support as in support when using it as an actual CLI client? | 14:27 |
| mhen | (instead of as a library) | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | mhen, need to revisit my comment might be I misjudged it | 14:28 |
| mhen | because, python-glanceclient as a library (when used by others, such as Nova) already has support for it (albeit broken at times, see mail) | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:29 |
| jokke | mhen: I think abhishekk is already on your encryption topic ;) | 14:29 |
| mhen | oh | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | sorry, I was talking about encryption one | 14:30 |
| mhen | sorry, I was still on about the global request id | 14:30 |
| jokke | ;) | 14:30 |
| mhen | okay about the image encryption | 14:30 |
| mhen | so the argument was that we should support glanceclient in favor of openstackclient | 14:30 |
| mhen | my question is: does glanceclient support using other clients as libraries (such as barbicanclient), like openstackclient does? | 14:31 |
| mhen | we'd need to make some calls to Barbican during the image encryption process for key retrieval for instance | 14:31 |
| jokke | mhen: nope, and as such I'm not convinced we should do the encryption in glanceclient | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | no, that's why I said I need to revisit my comment again | 14:31 |
| mhen | do you see any other alternative than openstackclient then? (I don't tbh) | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | in openstack client you are going to do some changes to barbican commands or glance commands? | 14:34 |
| jokke | mhen: honestly I personally think people actually doing this won't be using either. They will have their image build pipeline doing all this without human interaction and thus I think we as Glance community need to make sure we can handle the metadata etc. in our end, I think openstack client is good place to put the "manual" functionality so people can test it and handle the manually created | 14:35 |
| jokke | images. | 14:35 |
| jokke | But I don't see huge urge to have actual client for encrypting images per se and definitely not the usecase for glanceclient doing it | 14:35 |
| mhen | as an example, we added: "openstack image create --file myimage.raw --encryption-secret-id $BARBICAN_SECRET_ID my-encrypted-image" which locally encrypts an image and uploads it | 14:36 |
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| abhishekk | hmm | 14:37 |
| mhen | tbh having to fiddle with encryption stuff manually is tedious and error-prone | 14:37 |
| mhen | that's why we also added image signing automation into openstackclient (contributed upstream) | 14:37 |
| jokke | mhen: yep .. and like said I think the osc for the "manual" usecase is great for testing and people to fiddle around, but I really don't expect majority of production users who would need this using that | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:38 |
| mhen | so, you think they'd be using the API directly and push their encrypted images this way (which they encrypted beforehand using some other pipeline)? | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | Ok I will revisit my comment | 14:40 |
| jokke | mhen: yeah, I'd expect these being integrated to what ever image building pipeline they are using. | 14:40 |
| jokke | Being it Jenkins or something else | 14:40 |
| mhen | I see your point but would it actually hurt to add this option to the client? Our architecture outsources the required methods to os-brick lib anyway - so essentially it's just method calls. | 14:41 |
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| jokke | mhen: glanceclient, I'd prefer not bloating it with all the dependencies to do it, like said osc is great place for it as it has pretty much all the dependency integrations already | 14:42 |
| mhen | glanceclient does not provide the necessary requirement (using other client libs) anyway, it would need to be osc or none | 14:43 |
| jokke | mhen: it doesn't mean you can't create encrypted images with glanceclient (and we need to make sure that is the case and that our schemas etc. works for that) as long as you have the key id and the excrypted payload | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | So we need to document about this | 14:44 |
| jokke | yup! | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | last 15 minutes | 14:45 |
| tosky | just a reminder for this backport of the zuulv3 migration backport to ussuri: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/738693/ (which I will backport to train) and this train-specific zuul change (already applied in other way on >=ussuri): https://review.opendev.org/#/c/739056/ | 14:45 |
| tosky | EOF | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | tosky, I will include these in review priority mail | 14:46 |
| mhen | jokke, I thought you were against it altogether but when you are fine with us putting it in osc then that's good | 14:46 |
| jokke | mhen: my point was kind of if we expected the main use case being people doing this by hand, we probably should look into automating it with glanceclient or independent tooling. But for testing/development/odd manual usage purposes the osc is perfect place to do it | 14:46 |
| mhen | jokke, agreed | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | anything else mhen ? | 14:48 |
| mhen | no, that's it, thanks for your attention :) | 14:49 |
| jokke | mhen: if oyu could do it a way that one can also just encrypt the image locally without directly uploading it to glance from osc, that would be amazing | 14:49 |
| mhen | jokke, will consider that, thanks for the suggestion | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | jokke, you want to discuss something right? | 14:51 |
| tosky | abhishekk: thanks! It's not supercritical but the sooner they (and the last one which will be created after merging the ussuri patch) are merged, the better (easier maintenance) | 14:51 |
| jokke | abhishekk: yeah couple of things | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | please go ahead | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | tosky, ack | 14:51 |
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| jokke | 1) Relating to what dansmith has been working on (big hand Dan!) we kind of realized how bad idea it is to run the plugins as part of copy-image ... so there is patch up for it | 14:52 |
| jokke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/738675/ | 14:52 |
| jokke | The tests need bit more refining, but working on thta | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:53 |
| jokke | thanks abhishekk helping out with those tests | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:53 |
| jokke | the second one is a beast | 14:53 |
| jokke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/738672/ | 14:53 |
| jokke | deprecation removals including remains of registry and Images API v1 | 14:53 |
| jokke | 3 patches to go, the linked oe should be ready. The one after that I need to create dummy wsgi entry for v1 (sorry, QA/grenade) hit us again | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | registry removal patch is merged | 14:55 |
| jokke | should have it ready when the enable_v2_api removal merges and the last one is just config cleanup for all the stuff that was thrown away in the process | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | the link you pasted here is removal of enable_v2_api | 14:55 |
| jokke | yes the first one of the chain merged this morning, thank you | 14:55 |
| jokke | abhishekk: correct | 14:56 |
| jokke | it's the first one still in review | 14:56 |
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| abhishekk | hmm, I will include those on review priority mail as well | 14:56 |
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| abhishekk | we need to get these big patches in to avoid merge conflicts :D | 14:57 |
| jokke | As these patches touches all over our codebase, please lets not keep them hanging as it will be absolute rebase nightmare | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:57 |
| jokke | that's all from me | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | thank you jokke | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | anything else guys? | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | cool, keep eye on priority mail | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | thank you all, have a nice time ahead | 14:58 |
| jokke | thanks all! | 14:59 |
| Steap | Thanks! | 14:59 |
| mhen | thank you, see ya | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 14:59:24 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2020/glance.2020-07-02-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2020/glance.2020-07-02-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2020/glance.2020-07-02-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 15:00:38 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | #linkhttps://etherpad.opendev.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:00 |
| fungi | ahoy, mateys | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:03 |
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| fungi | this has to be our most riveting meeting yet ;) | 15:06 |
| rosmaita | any security meeting you can walk away from, is a good security meeting | 15:07 |
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| fungi | fair point | 15:08 |
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| gagehugo | sorry was distracted | 15:08 |
| fungi | no worries! | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | #topic next week's meeting | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next week's meeting (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:09 | |
| fungi | i'm a little fried this morning anyway | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | I will be out for training, so I'm going to just cancel it | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | me too | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | I'll send out an email | 15:09 |
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| gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:09 |
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| gagehugo | floor is open | 15:09 |
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| rosmaita | we now have cinder releases for all releasable branches that address OSSN-0086 | 15:10 |
| fungi | thanks rosmaita! | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | and hopefully i will never utter the words "OSSN-0086" ever again | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | yes, ty rosmaita! | 15:12 |
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| fungi | someone popped into #openstack-security a little while back asking whether anyone has experience integrating carbonblack's security products with their openstack deployments | 15:13 |
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| fungi | proprietary stuff, so likely not that relevant for us to discuss, but figured i'd point it out for the log | 15:13 |
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| fungi | there may be some operators with a common interest around that or similar integrations i guess | 15:14 |
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| fungi | looks like june 23 was the last time we switched any security-related bugs public, so not much to discuss on the advisory/vmt end of things | 15:15 |
| fungi | pretty sure we covered that one in last week's meeting | 15:16 |
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| gagehugo | yeah | 15:16 |
| fungi | i still haven't gotten to writing up the barbican as a base service proposal for openstack/governance like we talked about at the ptg, though it's just about been excavated from my to do pile again | 15:17 |
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| fungi | i'm quite pleased with how our new 90-day embargo limit is working out though. it's allowed us to air out a bunch of old cobwebs and is keeping our embargo load very manageable | 15:18 |
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| fungi | that said, it means there are now a bunch of "incomplete" ossa bugtasks on public-security bugs which could use some eyes on them to help us figure out if they're actual vulnerabilities | 15:19 |
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| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/ossa Please help the OpenStack VMT identify actionable vulnerability reports | 15:20 |
| fungi | d'oh, i should have tested that url first | 15:21 |
| fungi | gagehugo: can you #undo? | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | lol | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | #undo | 15:21 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/ossa | 15:21 |
| fungi | thanks | 15:21 |
| fungi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossa Please help the OpenStack VMT identify actionable vulnerability reports | 15:21 |
| fungi | much better | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | thanks fungi | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | thanks rosmita | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | i think you can close the OSSA parg of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossa/+bug/1799221 as a WON'T FIX | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1799221 in OpenStack Security Advisory "cinder-volume can create truncated volumes when masking glanceclient errors" [Undecided,New] | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | s/parg/part/ | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:28 |
| fungi | great! if you can leave a comment explaining why, i'm happy to do that | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | sure | 15:29 |
| fungi | i just don't want it to look like i'm going around closing our advisory tasks without community input | 15:29 |
| rosmaita | :) | 15:30 |
| fungi | (otherwise i'd go close all of those now for lack of interest) | 15:31 |
| gagehugo | fungi: I'll also try to get a new meeting time email out eventually | 15:33 |
| gagehugo | this time-slot isn't the greatest | 15:33 |
| fungi | sure, sounds good | 15:34 |
| fungi | i'm happy to adjust | 15:34 |
| gagehugo | thanks everyone, have a good holiday weekend! | 15:34 |
| fungi | i'm normally at least double, sometimes triple and occasionally quadruple booked during this hour | 15:34 |
| gagehugo | same | 15:34 |
| fungi | thanks gagehugo! you too! | 15:35 |
| gagehugo | and it's worse once DST begins/ends | 15:35 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 15:35:15 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2020/security.2020-07-02-15.00.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2020/security.2020-07-02-15.00.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2020/security.2020-07-02-15.00.log.html | 15:35 |
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