Thursday, 2021-04-01

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abhishekk#startmeeting glance14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr  1 14:00:06 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:00
abhishekk#topic roll call14:00
*** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)"14:00
abhishekklets wait couple of minutes for others to join14:00
abhishekkShort agenda today as well14:01
abhishekkcool, rosmaita might join soon, lets start14:02
abhishekk#topic Updates14:02
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abhishekkXena PTG is almost 3 weeks away14:02
abhishekkPlease add your name to the list of attendants if you are planning to attend the same14:03
abhishekkalso  add the topics of your interest for the discussion14:03
abhishekkAfter next weeks meeting I am going to finalize the topics and allot day/time for discussion14:04
abhishekkmoving ahead14:04
abhishekk#topic release/periodic jobs update14:04
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abhishekkWe are good on release front14:04
abhishekkPeriodic job, one failure in week related to oslo-tips job, will have a look at that after the meeting14:05
abhishekkeverything else is green14:05
abhishekkMoving ahead14:05
abhishekk#topic Glance bug tracking14:05
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abhishekkI have added some bugs to above tracker which are good to close as won't fix14:06
dansmithI'd also like to call attention to this:
abhishekkas well as some of the bugs which has patches submitted and need reviews14:06
abhishekkyep, kindly review the above patch as well14:07
dansmithwe're still hitting that infrequently in zuul, so it'd be good to get that in so we can start looking for that log message14:07
abhishekkI will be checking store and client bugs as well (mostly early next week)14:08
abhishekkMoving to last topic in the list14:09
abhishekk#topic Guidelines for reviewers14:09
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abhishekkI have tried to put something together as a guidelines for reviewers (mostly for us)14:09
abhishekkWould like to have your opinion/suggestions for the same14:10
abhishekkIf you have any questions/concerns/suggestions we can discuss on the review itself14:11
abhishekkthat's all for today from me14:11
abhishekkmoving to Open discussion14:11
abhishekk#topic Open discussion14:11
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* abhishekk we get here really fast14:12
rosmaitai'll take a look at the review guidelines14:12
jokkeI have nothing atm. Will have a look of that as well14:12
SteapCan we Ninja close ? As Brian said, this is no longer relevant14:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1844298 in Glance Client "python-glanceclient doesn't implement find() method" [Undecided,New]14:12
abhishekkJust for the update, tomorrow will be holiday in most of the countries14:12
SteapMonday may also be a holiday in a lot of countries14:13
jokkeOh yeah, I'll be back Tue tomorrow and Mon off here14:13
abhishekkjokke, cool, longest weekend :D14:13
abhishekkSteap, will have a look at the bug14:14
abhishekkSteap, good to close that bug14:14
rosmaitai guess i should have just closed that bug as invalid or irrelevant or something14:14
Steapthe life of that bug is amazing14:15
Steapit was valid14:15
abhishekkI just remembered that we have a patch on master to drop lower constraints job14:15
Steapthen we waited 6 months14:15
Steapit became invalid14:15
Steapand then we waited 6 months to close it :D14:15
rosmaitabugfix by procrastination!14:15
SteapTHe OSC devs may start to think we don't like their project14:15
abhishekkis there any OSC dev around, I haven't seen for long14:16
jokkeI don't know about the rest of ye, but I don't :P And it's nothing personal against them, just the project14:16
abhishekkback to lower constraints job, so are we intending to keep those for master branch ?14:17
dansmithI don't think that most projects are expecting to keep the l-c jobs on  master,14:17
dansmithbecause as identified, breaking or not, they don't provide anything useful14:17
dansmithso by leaving them we're just doing extra CI work until they break, and then we'll likely remove them so.. not much point14:18
abhishekkthat is what concluded in last TC meeting I guess14:18
jokkeWell they do. They keep the lower boundary of our requirements in check. Which nothing else is testing14:18
abhishekkOk, I will check the usefulness of it and decide accordingly14:20
abhishekkbut if we intend to keep it then we need to remember to drop it from stable branch as soon as we hit the release14:20
dansmiththey test that our own internal stuff runs with some arbitrary set of pins14:20
dansmiththey don't test that our service actually works with that, or that it actually works with all the other services at that boundary, especially if the others are dropping it14:21
rosmaitaa related question is how to maintain the minima in the requirements file14:21
dansmithI'm not sure what the point of dropping it on stable is and not master14:21
rosmaitawell, it's sort of a sanity check14:22
rosmaitawhich i think is jokke's point14:22
abhishekkkind of14:22
dansmithit's a sanity check that a small fraction of our least-relevant tests run in isolation with those packages installed14:23
dansmithmost of those tests don't even use those libraries since they're largely mock-type tests14:24
jokkemhm, if we don't even test that the lower boundaries of our requirements will install together, we just should remove those as well and keep requirements as dependency + blacklist14:24
dansmithjokke: yeah I think that's the point14:24
jokkeI'm happy that I'm not responsible for packaging for any distro if we go there ;)14:25
dansmithour packaging people have said they don't care about or even look at this right?14:25
abhishekkyep, i think so14:26
jokkeIIRC zigo was quite heavily against dropping the indication what the expected bottom is14:26
dansmithyes, the one voice that caused this whole thing to be drawn out,14:26
dansmithdespite nobody else caring14:26
dansmithand even still, I don't think that it actually feeds anything in debian, it's just that he thinks it's nice to see14:27
dansmithwe dropped the file from stable here:
dansmithso if we don't merge the master thing, the lower-constraints.txt is going to come back to life when X becomes stable/X14:27
dansmiththat makes no sense14:28
abhishekkso either like other projects we get rid of it on master or we should have bot job to remove it as soon as we cut a stable branch14:29
abhishekkI am inclining towards former point14:29
dansmithsince no distros consume master, that makes it pretty useless :)14:29
dansmithmeaning, having l-c on master, and then deleting it for all stable branches14:30
jokkewell after release, but sure. how about removing unit & functional tests too as no-one deploys them either ;P14:31
abhishekkthose are for developers to make sure the changes they made are not breaking and working as per expected14:31
dansmithand the functional tests _do_ run the regular requirements14:32
jokkeBut yeah, my whole point is we should remove the low boundaries from requirements.txt too14:32
dansmithdropping l-c testing on stable also means that if we were to backport something that required something higher than the lower limit, we wouldn't even know it was broken14:32
jokkeif we don't test that they even install together14:32
abhishekkOk, I guess we should let other reviewers express their thoughts on review for the same14:34
abhishekkI have nothing else for today14:35
abhishekkSteap, rosmaita anything else ?14:35
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abhishekkI take that as no14:36
abhishekkwishing Happy Easter in advance to all those who are celebrating14:36
jokkehave a good one everyone o/14:37
abhishekkHave nice weekend14:37
abhishekkThank you all14:37
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Apr  1 14:38:00 2021 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)14:38
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