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| anteaya | salv-orlando: thanks for that review on armax's 54850 patch | 00:18 |
| salv-orlando | np | 00:18 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: can I ask you about your comment on line 415? | 00:19 |
| anteaya | does record give more information than id? | 00:20 |
| anteaya | if so, should we not debug with more information? | 00:20 |
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| salv-orlando | basically it's just for having a decent trade-off between what's needed on what is instead just noise. That is a 'network' record. Beyond the id, there's really no valuable information, at least in this context (delete_network) | 00:23 |
| anteaya | okay thanks for the explanation | 00:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhongyue Luo proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use DictOpt for mapping options https://review.openstack.org/45990 | 00:26 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: what is the current status of docstring use in code for class/method/functions? | 00:28 |
| anteaya | I am seeing comments but not docstrings | 00:28 |
| anteaya | are my initial findings consistent throughout the codebase? | 00:29 |
| salv-orlando | The core team has not mandated docstrings if not for public interface methods so far. | 00:29 |
| salv-orlando | anteaya: that would be a low-hanging-fruit task for newcomers, if you wish. | 00:30 |
| salv-orlando | I think it's markmcclain who coordinates dev docs. I am responsible for API docs (netconn-api) | 00:30 |
| anteaya | hmmm, I ask because if using something like sphinx for docs, the are generated from docstrings | 00:32 |
| anteaya | so you don't have to write the docs as a separate step | 00:32 |
| salv-orlando | Yes, that's what we call 'dev docs', sorry. It's the documentation generated from docstrings which I was referring to. | 00:33 |
| anteaya | also encouraging docstring inclusion going forward helps people to evaluate the code, since the docstring (hopefully) clearly outlines the intent of each method/function in the authors own words | 00:33 |
| anteaya | ah okay, thanks | 00:33 |
| anteaya | I will start asking for new patches to included dev docs | 00:34 |
| anteaya | might help with the reviews of the patches from people who don't know all the intricaies of the neutron code base | 00:34 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: can you think of a patch that has dev docs included as an example? | 00:38 |
| anteaya | I know of examples in other projects, but I would like to point to one within neutron if we have a good one | 00:39 |
| salv-orlando | anteaya: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/neutron_plugin_base_v2.py | 00:40 |
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| anteaya | awesome thanks | 00:43 |
| salv-orlando | np | 00:43 |
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| anteaya | figures jd__ would have a hand in such wonderful dev docs | 00:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | li,chen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove the warning for Scheduling Network https://review.openstack.org/55793 | 00:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Salvatore Orlando proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Please do not approve or reject this change. https://review.openstack.org/55942 | 01:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/54425 | 05:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/54680 | 06:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joe Mills proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Midonet to support port association at floating IP creation https://review.openstack.org/55792 | 07:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Remove database section from plugin.ini https://review.openstack.org/55081 | 09:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Berezovsky Irena proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add update from agent to plugin on device up https://review.openstack.org/53609 | 11:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix sqlalchemy DateTime type usage https://review.openstack.org/56015 | 11:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix sqlalchemy DateTime type usage https://review.openstack.org/56015 | 11:54 |
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| anteaya | morning Neutron | 12:26 |
| * anteaya proceeds to read the eavesdrop logs from last night: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/ | 12:27 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Dong Liu proposed a change to openstack/neutron: After bulk create send DHCP notification https://review.openstack.org/55164 | 12:31 |
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| anteaya | nice work on the bug salv-orlando, that is great | 12:44 |
| anteaya | you mention nova and keystone in your evaluation of the situation | 12:45 |
| anteaya | I think I am going to ask someone from keystone to join us in here if there isn't anyone from keystone in here already | 12:45 |
| anteaya | is there anyone from nova, possibly a nova core also able to spend some time on addressing the large-ops failure? | 12:46 |
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| anteaya | all my questions are meant for the channel as well as salv-orlando, so if you know the answer jump in | 12:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix downgrage in migration https://review.openstack.org/56022 | 12:56 |
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| jorisroovers | hi anteaya | 13:01 |
| anteaya | hello jorisroovers | 13:03 |
| anteaya | pleasure to meet you | 13:03 |
| jorisroovers | likewise :-) | 13:03 |
| anteaya | thank you for speaking up | 13:03 |
| anteaya | I really admire that | 13:03 |
| jorisroovers | :-) | 13:03 |
| jorisroovers | I'd really like to help out and get to know openstack a little more | 13:03 |
| anteaya | can you tell me a little bit about yourself? Have you contributed to open source software previously? | 13:03 |
| anteaya | awesome! | 13:03 |
| jorisroovers | ok | 13:04 |
| anteaya | I want to do all I can to help you realize that goal | 13:04 |
| jorisroovers | so I work for Cisco | 13:04 |
| jorisroovers | and I just changed roles | 13:04 |
| jorisroovers | in my new role I will be working on Openstack within Cisco | 13:04 |
| jorisroovers | but I really want it to be more than just working on the Cisco stuff only | 13:04 |
| jorisroovers | no real experience with OSS development | 13:05 |
| jorisroovers | have been doing software dev for couple of years | 13:05 |
| jorisroovers | I've been reading up a lot lately | 13:05 |
| jorisroovers | and was at the summit last week | 13:05 |
| anteaya | okay so for starters we will look at OSS skills and go from there | 13:05 |
| jorisroovers | which I really enjoyed | 13:05 |
| anteaya | great! | 13:05 |
| anteaya | I will have to meet you the next summit | 13:06 |
| jorisroovers | absolutely | 13:06 |
| jorisroovers | so, most of the stuff will be best-effort for now | 13:06 |
| anteaya | okay so to begin, most of the openstack projects are populated wtih people and few people care who pays your paycheque | 13:06 |
| anteaya | best-effort is the best kind! | 13:07 |
| anteaya | so we talk to the individual and who they work for rarely comes up | 13:07 |
| anteaya | but in neutron it tends to come up fairly often and that is proving itself to be an obstacle to collaborative development | 13:07 |
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| anteaya | so I will start be encouraging to identify yourself in here by what your interests are and what your personal goal is with openstack | 13:08 |
| anteaya | it helps for individuals to have a personal goal when contributing to openstack | 13:08 |
| jorisroovers | absolutely | 13:08 |
| jorisroovers | for me, that is really two-fold | 13:09 |
| anteaya | for me I believe that open source software closes the economic gap that technology is creating | 13:09 |
| jorisroovers | 1 = learning | 13:09 |
| * anteaya listens | 13:09 | |
| jorisroovers | 2 = giving back | 13:09 |
| jorisroovers | and I think there is not a whole lot more to it | 13:09 |
| anteaya | great | 13:09 |
| anteaya | I can help you with both those goals | 13:10 |
| jorisroovers | :-) | 13:10 |
| anteaya | so with open source the idea is that if there is something you see that needs fixing, you can fix it | 13:10 |
| anteaya | you don't need permission, noone will bless you | 13:10 |
| anteaya | jump in | 13:10 |
| jorisroovers | got it | 13:11 |
| anteaya | now after you have done something, you hopefully will get supportive guidance to do it in a way that fits with the other pieces | 13:11 |
| anteaya | but don't wait for that | 13:11 |
| anteaya | you will make mistakes, take responsibility for them, inform those affected and open up the discussion so that you can get some input on how to fix the situation | 13:12 |
| anteaya | the more people you meet and the more you understand their goals and do what you can to support them (emotional support and acknowledgement counts) | 13:12 |
| anteaya | the more people will want to be aware of your goals and help and support you to reach them | 13:12 |
| anteaya | make sense? | 13:13 |
| jorisroovers | absolutely | 13:13 |
| anteaya | great | 13:14 |
| anteaya | so let's move to your areas of interest | 13:14 |
| anteaya | what do you want to learn about or do you know? | 13:14 |
| jorisroovers | so, I've been mainly doing Java and web development in the past | 13:15 |
| jorisroovers | some python, but not a whole lot | 13:15 |
| anteaya | any web development frameworks? | 13:15 |
| jorisroovers | with python? | 13:15 |
| anteaya | at all | 13:15 |
| jorisroovers | yes | 13:15 |
| * anteaya listens | 13:15 | |
| jorisroovers | Spring, Java play, CakePHP | 13:16 |
| jorisroovers | some others probably | 13:16 |
| anteaya | okay | 13:16 |
| anteaya | so join #openstack-infra | 13:16 |
| anteaya | that is our infrastructure channel and the only place where we do any Java | 13:16 |
| jorisroovers | ok | 13:17 |
| anteaya | Gerrit I think is Java and Jenkins | 13:17 |
| anteaya | you don't have to do anything you don't want to | 13:17 |
| jorisroovers | well, I'd really like to get involved in Neutron | 13:17 |
| anteaya | but our Java expertise is light and you could help out with Java questions if you are in the channel and they happen by | 13:17 |
| anteaya | absolutely | 13:17 |
| anteaya | and you will, but openstack is many projects | 13:18 |
| jorisroovers | ok, got it | 13:18 |
| anteaya | and the more you learn about the other projects, the stronger contribution to neutron | 13:18 |
| jorisroovers | makes sense | 13:18 |
| anteaya | great | 13:18 |
| anteaya | learning about how our infrastructure works is essential for all developers since you will be interacting it with it several times a day | 13:19 |
| anteaya | so being able to help yourself really improves efficientcy | 13:19 |
| jorisroovers | uhu | 13:19 |
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| jorisroovers | i've found that to be a more daunting part, the whole ecosystem | 13:19 |
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| anteaya | also for web frameworks, we have the horizon project #openstack-horizon | 13:20 |
| anteaya | morning dims | 13:20 |
| anteaya | and we are also getting started with a new project called storyboard | 13:20 |
| anteaya | both are django | 13:20 |
| anteaya | yes | 13:20 |
| anteaya | the more you learn about the ecosystem, the better your contribution to any project | 13:20 |
| jorisroovers | yes | 13:21 |
| anteaya | so I am not steering you away from neutron, I am trying to help you see that cross-project knowledge really puts you in a good position | 13:21 |
| jorisroovers | yes, I understand that :-) | 13:21 |
| anteaya | we need as many cross-project people as we can get | 13:21 |
| anteaya | okay gret | 13:21 |
| anteaya | great | 13:21 |
| anteaya | moving on | 13:21 |
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| anteaya | so looking at neutron now | 13:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Evgeny Fedoruk proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Adding more tests and fixes driver as a result https://review.openstack.org/54155 | 13:22 |
| anteaya | lets start by showing you the eavesdrop logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/ | 13:22 |
| anteaya | this channel is logged as a a few others | 13:22 |
| anteaya | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ | 13:23 |
| anteaya | also meetings are logged: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ | 13:23 |
| anteaya | you will see there are 7 different topics for networking meetings | 13:24 |
| anteaya | following the channel and meeting logs is a good way to stay current on the sitation that is being talked about the most at any given time | 13:24 |
| jorisroovers | ok | 13:25 |
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| anteaya | so that will help you get a flavour | 13:25 |
| jorisroovers | ok, thanks :-) | 13:26 |
| anteaya | however please know that the flavour of communication is currently under revision, most notably by me | 13:26 |
| anteaya | so I also encourage you to look at channel and meeting logs for openstack-infra and openstack-qa | 13:26 |
| anteaya | to get a sense of the style of communication and collaboration that I am hoping to foster in -neutron | 13:27 |
| anteaya | next we need to get you a working development environment for openstack | 13:28 |
| anteaya | have you heard of devstack at all? | 13:28 |
| jorisroovers | yes, I've got that up and running | 13:29 |
| jorisroovers | have been playing around with it :-) | 13:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix downgrage in migration https://review.openstack.org/56022 | 13:29 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 13:29 |
| anteaya | do you have a favourite paste app? | 13:29 |
| jorisroovers | nope | 13:30 |
| anteaya | akamyshnikova: hello, I notice a typo in the commit messge for 56022 - downgrage should be downgrade | 13:30 |
| anteaya | jorisroovers: okay, might I suggest paste.openstack.org | 13:31 |
| anteaya | can you run any command in your devstack and paste the output please? | 13:31 |
| anteaya | please include the original command as well | 13:31 |
| jorisroovers | do you have a sec, need to spin it up | 13:32 |
| anteaya | jorisroovers: take your time | 13:32 |
| akamyshnikova | anteaya, thanks! I'll correct it! | 13:32 |
| anteaya | akamyshnikova: my pleasure and nice to meet you | 13:32 |
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| akamyshnikova | anteaya, nice to meet you too :) | 13:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix downgrade in migration https://review.openstack.org/56022 | 13:34 |
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| anteaya | akamyshnikova: :D | 13:35 |
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| HenryG | anteaya: Curious, how did you find the submitters IRC handle from the review? | 13:36 |
| anteaya | hi HenryG | 13:37 |
| anteaya | some are obvious | 13:38 |
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| jorisroovers | hey anteaya, it seems like I messed up my devstack VM, I will reinstall it. Need to go somewhere in 10, I will be back in 90mins, ok for you? | 13:38 |
| anteaya | for instance for you, any time openstackgerrit would post a patchset from someone named Henry last name starting with a G I would start by pinging yourself | 13:38 |
| HenryG | anteaya: OK. Is there an easy way to find a person's launchpad ID? The IRC handles are usually given there. | 13:39 |
| anteaya | HenryG: given the spelling of akamyshnikova last name, I was fairly certain that the patchset announced by openstackgerrit attributed to Ann Kamyshnikova was her | 13:39 |
| anteaya | and I am also prepared to be wrong in include supportive correction in any action I take | 13:40 |
| anteaya | HenryG: good question | 13:40 |
| anteaya | jorisroovers: take your time, I am going to go for a walk and will be back in a bit | 13:40 |
| anteaya | see you when you get back | 13:40 |
| anteaya | also use http://anteaya.info/blog/2013/09/01/installing-devstack-with-vagrant/ if it is helpful for you, jorisroovers | 13:41 |
| anteaya | HenryG: this could be a start: https://launchpad.net/neutron/+topcontributors | 13:42 |
| anteaya | HenryG: I hope that is helpful | 13:44 |
| anteaya | if you need more, post the question and I can dig deeper when I return from my walk | 13:44 |
| dims | good morning anteaya! | 13:44 |
| anteaya | hey there dims | 13:44 |
| anteaya | still waking up in the middle of the night, like the rest of us? | 13:45 |
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| dims | anteaya, managed to beat the jet lag this time :) | 13:49 |
| anteaya | w00t! | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix downgrade in migration https://review.openstack.org/56022 | 13:50 |
| anteaya | funny I had an easier time changing 12 hours than I did 6 hours | 13:50 |
| anteaya | no idea why | 13:50 |
| anteaya | okay _now_ I'll go for a walk, back later | 13:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Evgeny Fedoruk proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Adding more tests and fixes driver as a result https://review.openstack.org/54155 | 14:23 |
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| sc68cal | Hey - it's Sean M. Collins from Comcast - hope everyone is recovering from the summit! | 14:34 |
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| salv-orlando | hi sean. Good to know sc68cal is you | 14:52 |
| * salv-orlando is finding the wiki page which maps IRC nicks to real people | 14:53 | |
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| anteaya | back | 15:06 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: awesome, I need to add myself to that wikipage | 15:07 |
| salv-orlando | anteaya: you are already there, and your irc handle is up to date as it's now generated from foundation profiles | 15:09 |
| salv-orlando | http://www.openstack.org/community/members/?letter=K | 15:09 |
| anteaya | great | 15:09 |
| anteaya | love auto-generation | 15:09 |
| anteaya | huh, I just looked at my profile - I wonder what/who 175game is/are | 15:10 |
| anteaya | going to have to go find reed and ask him about it | 15:11 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: so there is a wikipage in addition to this? | 15:11 |
| salv-orlando | there used to be, but has now been superseded I guess… | 15:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Oleg Bondarev proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix MeteringLabel model to not clear router's tenant id on deletion https://review.openstack.org/56041 | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | salv-orlando: okay, I will use point people to the foundation members list | 15:21 |
| anteaya | and encourage folks to keep their irc nick updated if need be | 15:21 |
| anteaya | also seems we have a bug somewhere in the affiliations | 15:21 |
| anteaya | fungi is going to email toddmorey and see if they can figure it out | 15:21 |
| anteaya | apparently fungi has worked for ludio333 at some point in the past, it was news to him | 15:22 |
| anteaya | * use/point people | 15:24 |
| jroovers | hi anteaya, still working on getting Devstack installed again. It's weird how that often runs into issues, using a fresh Ubuntu 12.04 install and just running ./stack.sh | 15:25 |
| anteaya | yup | 15:25 |
| anteaya | welcome to the world of every new contributor | 15:25 |
| jroovers | haha | 15:25 |
| anteaya | get to know destack well, it will help you in the long run | 15:25 |
| jroovers | it's the intermittent part that I don't really get | 15:25 |
| jroovers | ok | 15:26 |
| anteaya | take your time and ask questions as you have them | 15:26 |
| jroovers | sometimes devstack seems to finish from the first run | 15:26 |
| jroovers | sometimes I need to run it several times | 15:26 |
| anteaya | if you are asking about an error or some output, please post code in a paste and post the link in here | 15:26 |
| anteaya | yup | 15:26 |
| jroovers | ok | 15:26 |
| anteaya | if you can capture the output when it ends/stalls/dies/finishes, and post/paste it | 15:27 |
| anteaya | then we can talk about it | 15:27 |
| jroovers | I had some permissions error just before, did a dirty fix by changing some permissions of /etc/nova | 15:27 |
| anteaya | when I got started I installed devstack over and over for 3 weeks | 15:27 |
| jroovers | haha | 15:27 |
| anteaya | felt unproductive but I understand it much better now | 15:28 |
| jroovers | yeah, I can see that | 15:28 |
| anteaya | do what you do and keep notes | 15:28 |
| anteaya | soon you will be helping others install devstack for themselves | 15:28 |
| jroovers | :-) | 15:28 |
| anteaya | you might learn something in your travels that I don't know | 15:28 |
| anteaya | in fact I depend on that | 15:28 |
| anteaya | :D | 15:28 |
| jroovers | what I don't really understand is that it is so intermittent | 15:28 |
| jroovers | like I said, I've succesfully installed it at least 5 times | 15:29 |
| jroovers | but then the next day it won't work anymore, or something like that | 15:29 |
| jroovers | any idea what the reason for that is? Some timing issues or something like that? I would reckon that it would work on a clean ubuntu 12.04 every time... | 15:30 |
| anteaya | devstack is always trunk | 15:31 |
| anteaya | there is no stable version | 15:31 |
| anteaya | it also clones all the services from trunk | 15:31 |
| anteaya | it changes many times a day | 15:31 |
| jroovers | that explains it, thanks | 15:32 |
| anteaya | np | 15:32 |
| jroovers | euraka, "CRITICAL nova [-] [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/nova/api-paste.ini'" | 15:32 |
| jroovers | sorry | 15:33 |
| jroovers | that was supposed to be | 15:33 |
| jroovers | eureka "stack.sh completed in 562 seconds" | 15:33 |
| anteaya | w00t! | 15:33 |
| anteaya | phone | 15:33 |
| jroovers | as to your earlier question | 15:37 |
| jroovers | http://paste.openstack.org/show/52055/ | 15:37 |
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| opilotte | is there a problem with jenkins? | 15:44 |
| * briancline bites his tongue | 15:45 | |
| opilotte | what does that mean? | 15:46 |
| briancline | I don't actually know if something's up, I just have a love/hate relationship with it at times | 15:50 |
| opilotte | this changeset use to build fine https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54170/ | 15:50 |
| opilotte | the VMs seems to never get into ACTIVE state | 15:51 |
| anteaya | opilotte: what are you seeing that you believe jenkins has an issue? | 15:51 |
| opilotte | http://logs.openstack.org/70/54170/5/check/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops/067900b/console.html | 15:51 |
| opilotte | probably not jenkins itself | 15:52 |
| opilotte | anteaya: at the end of the log | 15:52 |
| opilotte | Timed out waiting for thing 21b98f8e-dcfb-479a-8c54-a37a17be3c16 to become ACTIVE | 15:53 |
| anteaya | jroovers: I would like you to look for Warning: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed in this list of bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack | 15:53 |
| anteaya | jroovers: let me know your findings | 15:53 |
| anteaya | opilotte: I do believe that is the return error found with the large-ops failures | 15:53 |
| jroovers | anteaya, will definitely do that | 15:53 |
| jroovers | I'm going to head home from the office now, will be back in couple of hours | 15:54 |
| jroovers | thanks for all the help, this has been tremendous already | 15:54 |
| jroovers | very warm and helpful welcome :-) | 15:54 |
| anteaya | opilotte: logs from yesterday: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/%23openstack-neutron.2013-11-11.log | 15:54 |
| anteaya | timestamp: 2013-11-11T22:47:34 | 15:55 |
| anteaya | jroovers: thanks | 15:55 |
| anteaya | glad to have you onboard | 15:55 |
| anteaya | happy trails | 15:55 |
| anteaya | and talk to you later | 15:55 |
| jroovers | ttyl :-) | 15:55 |
| anteaya | :D | 15:55 |
| opilotte | anteaya: I think it's related to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1233923, but not sure | 15:55 |
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| opilotte | anteaya: I tried to trigger a recheck, but it still fails | 15:56 |
| opilotte | anteaya: probably this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1233923 | 15:57 |
| salv-orlando | large-ops *always* fails with neutron | 15:58 |
| anteaya | opilotte: I would say 1233923 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1250168 are realated, would you agree dims? You did file, 1233923 did you not? | 15:58 |
| salv-orlando | it started failing when the timeout for the vm boot operation was lowered from 400 to 196 | 15:58 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: always since Oct. 31st | 15:58 |
| anteaya | was passing before that | 15:58 |
| salv-orlando | yes, that's when the relevant change in devstack-gate was made | 15:58 |
| salv-orlando | for lowering the timeout | 15:58 |
| salv-orlando | more info on comments on bug report | 15:58 |
| salv-orlando | we ascertained this with jog0 and armax yesterday. jog0 stated that we can't bring the timeout up so we better make nova-neutron interaction faster. | 16:00 |
| openstackgerrit | stephen-ma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L3 Agent restart causes network outage https://review.openstack.org/30988 | 16:01 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: I liked your thorough report on but 1250168 | 16:02 |
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| anteaya | would having someone from keystone idle in this channel help with addressing the keystone portion of your assessment, salv-orlando? | 16:02 |
| anteaya | *bug 1250168 | 16:03 |
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| sc68cal | anteaya: bcwaldon has a vagrant setup that really helps newbies get a hold of devstack | 16:03 |
| sc68cal | https://github.com/bcwaldon/vagrant_devstack | 16:04 |
| salv-orlando | anteaya: it's not really keystone the issue, it's way nova loads the neutron client | 16:04 |
| salv-orlando | and the amount of neutron API calls nova does | 16:04 |
| dims | anteaya, overall, jog0 and i were trying to log what we see as flakiness in the gate/check jobs. but not sure if the symptoms and causes are same or not | 16:05 |
| anteaya | dims okay do you think that the bugs should reference each other | 16:10 |
| dims | anteaya, sounds good | 16:11 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: okay, I will hold off dragging a keystone folk in here for now, unless the show up willingly | 16:11 |
| salv-orlando | dims, anteaya: bug 1233923 has not been seen in over a month; it was cleared with the stability improvements pushed in H-3. That bug *might* be closed, but there are still corollary issues in the agent, like infinite polling | 16:11 |
| salv-orlando | 1250168 is actually deterministic and simple: neutron can't spin up 150 vms in 196 seconds. Not a chance. | 16:11 |
| salv-orlando | So there | 16:12 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: thanks for the link, vagrant states that it is best not to be installed via gems, which bcwaldons project instructs | 16:12 |
| salv-orlando | is no flakiness in the largeops failure. It's just that neutron is a bit rubbishy | 16:12 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: also NOTE: This project is intended to work with Vagrant v0.9.X Vagrant is 1.2.x now and has a 2.x version as well | 16:12 |
| salv-orlando | or, to be more precise, nova.network.neutronv2.api is begging for some optimization | 16:13 |
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| anteaya | salv-orlando: okay great | 16:14 |
| salv-orlando | since I already agreed with jog0 to not bring the timeout up (240 seconds will work in my tests), we need to make the interaction faster - i.e.: reduce number of api calls in allocate_for_instance | 16:14 |
| salv-orlando | I will see if I can find another neutron dev to assist with the task; we might use the help of nova cores for quick turnaround as the patch will go there. | 16:14 |
| anteaya | so if we go in the nova.network.neutron2.api optimization direction, what do you suggest for some steps to follow? and would it be good to capture said steps in an etherpad? | 16:14 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: any nova cores in this channel currently? | 16:15 |
| salv-orlando | idk | 16:17 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: We've got a branch that does 1.x series | 16:18 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, I need to go offline for a couple of hours. The bug report has the most updated information; so if you find somebody that wants to take over the work you can point them there. | 16:18 |
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| sc68cal | anteaya: I'll bug bcwaldon about it being cool to merge at some point | 16:19 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: awesome! | 16:19 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: mostly I teach n00bs the hard way first, then they understand how to chase devstack bugs, rather than devstack installer bugs | 16:19 |
| sc68cal | haha | 16:20 |
| anteaya | and yeah, I haven't heard from bcwaldon in a while, would be nice to chat again | 16:20 |
| sc68cal | yeah I've seen a problem with 12.04 - apt is barfing on an out of memory error | 16:20 |
| anteaya | really? same error joris was having? http://paste.openstack.org/show/52055/ | 16:21 |
| anteaya | sorry no, it wouldn't be if it was an apt error | 16:21 |
| sc68cal | haha - not the same bug, but yeah, devstack bugs are great. | 16:22 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: can I see a paste of your error when you see it again? | 16:22 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: yeah | 16:22 |
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| anteaya | the random text is wonderful for fouling up subsequent operations | 16:22 |
| anteaya | so this warning will be harmless: Warning: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed | 16:23 |
| anteaya | until it is consumed as input for another service | 16:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Replace stubout with fixtures https://review.openstack.org/55805 | 16:42 |
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| dims | salv-orlando, for 1250168, where are the keystone calls being made from? (you indicated a large percent of api calls are keystone in the last comment) | 17:23 |
| salv-mobile | It looks like all calls in admin context trigger a POST to keystone as the admon token is not cachex | 17:35 |
| salv-mobile | Cached | 17:35 |
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| salv-mobile | I think this was intentional even if I know do not recall the precise reason | 17:36 |
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| dims | salv-mobile, which file? in python-neutronclient? | 17:40 |
| salv-mobile | I am afk i think it's either nova.network.neutronv2.api or nova.network.neutronv2 | 17:41 |
| dims | salv-mobile, thx, will take a peek | 17:41 |
| salv-mobile | The latter would be __init_.py of course | 17:42 |
| salv-mobile | Thanks a lot | 17:42 |
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| dims | salv-mobile, i remember helping Drew with bug 1241275 - let me think a bit more about it | 17:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Édouard Thuleau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add l3 quota flags in the config file sample https://review.openstack.org/56076 | 18:30 |
| jorisroovers | hi again anteaya! | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | jorisroovers: hello | 18:38 |
| anteaya | jorisroovers: how are you making out? | 18:39 |
| jorisroovers | doing great, what about yourself? | 18:40 |
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| dims | salv-mobile, anteaya - fyi, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56075/ | 18:40 |
| anteaya | jorisroovers: making some lunch | 18:41 |
| anteaya | dims: thanks | 18:41 |
| * anteaya clicks | 18:41 | |
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| jorisroovers | I had a look at the bug list | 18:41 |
| jorisroovers | https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1230014 | 18:42 |
| jorisroovers | the error seems similar | 18:42 |
| jorisroovers | *seem | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | good work jorisroovers | 18:45 |
| anteaya | I agree, I think bug 1230014 covers your situation | 18:45 |
| anteaya | do you have a launchpad account? | 18:45 |
| jorisroovers | I do | 18:45 |
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| anteaya | great | 18:47 |
| anteaya | please log in and navigate to the bug | 18:47 |
| jorisroovers | done | 18:47 |
| jorisroovers | "This bug affects 2 people. Does this bug affect you? " | 18:48 |
| jorisroovers | click that? | 18:48 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:48 |
| jorisroovers | done | 18:48 |
| jorisroovers | I do have the issue while running any command | 18:48 |
| jorisroovers | while the bug talks about when running the stack script | 18:48 |
| anteaya | now you have something to add to the bug report | 18:48 |
| anteaya | fine add a comment | 18:49 |
| anteaya | be as precise as possible | 18:49 |
| anteaya | include code and stack traces | 18:49 |
| anteaya | assume the reader has no context and is tired and jet lagged when reading your comment | 18:49 |
| anteaya | help them understand as much as possible | 18:49 |
| jorisroovers | ok, will give it a shot | 18:50 |
| anteaya | good for you | 18:52 |
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| anteaya | jog0 you raise a good point on dims patch | 18:55 |
| anteaya | can you expand on your thoughts | 18:55 |
| dims | anteaya, we are talking on #openstack-nova, please hop in | 18:56 |
| anteaya | k | 18:56 |
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| jorisroovers | ok, I did that | 19:13 |
| jorisroovers | I believe I have found the relevant bug in nova-pythonclient | 19:13 |
| jorisroovers | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1226313 | 19:13 |
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| anteaya | jorisroovers: well done, good digging | 19:20 |
| anteaya | please make a note in each bug report linking them to each other for reference | 19:20 |
| anteaya | something along the lines of this bug may be related to this other bug <link> | 19:21 |
| anteaya | morg | 19:21 |
| anteaya | nope he isn't here | 19:21 |
| anteaya | okay so jog0 dims does this mean we have a direction for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1250168 | 19:22 |
| anteaya | or are we embracing salv-orlando's findings as he has stated | 19:23 |
| dims | anteaya, it takes a small bite out of 1250168, by no means solving it. we are embracing salv-orlando's findings, this was a small part of it | 19:25 |
| salv-orlando | dims is totally correct | 19:25 |
| anteaya | great | 19:25 |
| anteaya | do you feel like adding a comment to that effect? just to keep everyone current? | 19:25 |
| salv-orlando | I am already looking at other nova changes; will talk later to markmcclain about neutron changes, if needed | 19:26 |
| anteaya | great | 19:26 |
| jorisroovers | anteaya, I made the comments, thanks for the guidance there | 19:26 |
| anteaya | jorisroovers: good work | 19:27 |
| anteaya | I need to finish this meeting and then can talk again in about half an hour | 19:27 |
| jorisroovers | perfect, thanks :-) | 19:28 |
| anteaya | in the meantime why don't you introduce yourself to salv-orlando dims and jog0 so they know how to help you? | 19:28 |
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| jorisroovers | hi salv-orlando, dims and jog0! | 19:41 |
| dims | hi jorisroovers | 19:50 |
| jorisroovers | hi dims, great meeting you | 19:50 |
| jorisroovers | I'm interested in helping out a little on Nuetron | 19:51 |
| jorisroovers | :-) | 19:51 |
| jorisroovers | just to give you a little background | 19:51 |
| jog0 | jorisroovers: hi | 19:51 |
| jorisroovers | I work for Cisco and have very recently assumed a role in which I will be working on Openstack | 19:52 |
| jorisroovers | hi jog0 | 19:52 |
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| jorisroovers | besides the stuff I will be working on for the company, I'm also just generally interested in contributing | 19:52 |
| jorisroovers | best-effort style | 19:52 |
| jorisroovers | 10-20% a week, hopefully | 19:52 |
| jorisroovers | very new on all of this | 19:53 |
| jorisroovers | anteaya has been helping me out today | 19:53 |
| jorisroovers | I was at the summit last week and did spend most of my time in the design sessions, just being a fly on the wall and absorbing | 19:53 |
| jorisroovers | background is mostly in Java and webdev | 19:54 |
| dims | jorisroovers, very cool. HK was just my 2nd summit as well :) | 19:54 |
| jorisroovers | no real prior experience with open source dev | 19:54 |
| jorisroovers | but I really believe in giving back :-) | 19:54 |
| jorisroovers | which is really the reason why I'm excited about this | 19:54 |
| jorisroovers | my goals are learning and giving back | 19:55 |
| jorisroovers | more related to my day job, I will probably be spending some time on VPNaaS | 19:55 |
| jorisroovers | but again, this is all very new to me | 19:56 |
| dims | jorisroovers, i have a long time java background as well. what helped me was looking at reviews (https://review.openstack.org/) | 19:56 |
| jorisroovers | in that is really 'about me' in a nutshell | 19:56 |
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| jog0 | jorisroovers: there a bunch of open neutron bugs that are hurting gate | 19:56 |
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| jorisroovers | so is there something entry-level that I could look at | 20:00 |
| jog0 | anteaya: ^ | 20:02 |
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| anteaya | jog0: is there a bug that you can think of that can get jorisroovers started? | 20:09 |
| anteaya | I don't know the code base myself yet and haven't had time to even look through the bug list | 20:09 |
| anteaya | though in other news I have a possiblity for a room to work out of in Montreal | 20:09 |
| anteaya | so there's that | 20:10 |
| jorisroovers | that's for that test-writing session that you guys will be doing right :-) | 20:11 |
| anteaya | jorisroovers: it is | 20:12 |
| anteaya | are you able to join us? | 20:12 |
| anteaya | second week of January in Montreal | 20:12 |
| jorisroovers | no, sorry | 20:12 |
| anteaya | :( | 20:12 |
| jorisroovers | maybe once I get more involved | 20:12 |
| jorisroovers | but I'm sure I won't be able to sell that to mgmt | 20:12 |
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| anteaya | jorisroovers: I might be able to | 20:17 |
| jorisroovers | haha | 20:17 |
| anteaya | pm my your manager's name | 20:17 |
| jorisroovers | hahaha | 20:17 |
| anteaya | you never know, this is important | 20:17 |
| jorisroovers | well, I know | 20:17 |
| anteaya | I have foundation support for my presence in here | 20:17 |
| jorisroovers | but I'm still very new in all of this | 20:17 |
| anteaya | best way to learn | 20:17 |
| jorisroovers | I agree | 20:18 |
| anteaya | worst that can happen is you can't come | 20:18 |
| jorisroovers | but my primary responsibility is not this | 20:18 |
| anteaya | that can change | 20:18 |
| jorisroovers | this is really a side thing | 20:18 |
| anteaya | :D | 20:18 |
| jorisroovers | well, I hope I can build that over time | 20:18 |
| jorisroovers | but I don't want to burn any internal bridges | 20:18 |
| anteaya | your call | 20:18 |
| anteaya | if you want any support be sure to ask | 20:19 |
| jorisroovers | will do :-) | 20:19 |
| jorisroovers | again | 20:19 |
| jorisroovers | my challenge will be timing | 20:19 |
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| jorisroovers | I can really only spend 10-20% of my time on this a week | 20:19 |
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| jorisroovers | but let's see how everything grows :-) | 20:21 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 20:21 |
| anteaya | :D | 20:21 |
| anteaya | I am winding down in my usefullness - I need a nap | 20:21 |
| anteaya | shall we pick up again tomorrow jorisroovers? | 20:22 |
| jorisroovers | sure thing :-) | 20:22 |
| salv-orlando | I don't remember why was Montreal picked? cheaper than New York? or is that because of the belief that colder temperatures make synapsis go faster? | 20:22 |
| jorisroovers | you're based in canada, east coast? | 20:22 |
| salv-orlando | jorisroovers: nice to meet you too, btw. You're getting involved with openstack in general or more specifically with neutron? | 20:23 |
| anteaya | jorisroovers: I am in Canada, Ontario | 20:23 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: Montreal is way cheaper than NY | 20:23 |
| jorisroovers | anteaya: Amsterdam, The Netherlands here | 20:23 |
| jorisroovers | salv-orlando: nice to meet you too | 20:23 |
| jorisroovers | hope to get more involved in Neutron | 20:24 |
| anteaya | I am planning this long distance and I have a few contacts in Montreal, none in NY - well Monty but good luck getting enough of his time to plan something | 20:24 |
| jorisroovers | if I only had more time | 20:24 |
| jorisroovers | maybe more of other projects in the future :-) | 20:24 |
| anteaya | jorisroovers: cool | 20:24 |
| anteaya | also I can't think in NY - I love it, but I can't think there | 20:24 |
| jorisroovers | salv-orlando: I really liked your session in Neutron Plugins btw | 20:24 |
| jorisroovers | at the summit | 20:24 |
| anteaya | and we needed a location sdague and mtreinish could travel to without flying | 20:25 |
| jorisroovers | Human Defined Networking, golden :-) | 20:25 |
| anteaya | they felt Montreal would work | 20:25 |
| salv-orlando | thanks, I kept it mostly 'joke-ish' because it was scheduled at 5.20pm | 20:25 |
| salv-orlando | to me any place with a direct flight from London will work | 20:25 |
| jorisroovers | salv-orlando, based in London? | 20:25 |
| salv-orlando | quite - I'm in Cambridge, the other side of the North sea | 20:26 |
| jorisroovers | :-) | 20:27 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: there is a non-stop coming in but the return flight hits Toronto before going to UK: http://www.ca.kayak.com/flights/LON-YMQ/2014-01-13/2014-01-18 | 20:29 |
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| salv-orlando | anteaya: thanks for the link; I will sort out the details when the dates are confirmed | 20:32 |
| anteaya | k | 20:32 |
| anteaya | looks like there are lots of flights | 20:33 |
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