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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix pep8 violations https://review.openstack.org/106220 | 00:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Change help string related to router's distributed attribute https://review.openstack.org/107541 | 00:37 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Shamelessly removing commented print line https://review.openstack.org/107103 | 00:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sridar Kandaswamy proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Specification for FWaaS changes for DVR https://review.openstack.org/106225 | 01:24 |
| openstackgerrit | fumihiko kakuma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: OFAgent: Share codes of l2-population in OVS agent https://review.openstack.org/87440 | 01:25 |
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| trinaths | Hi Reviewers. May I have your valuable time for the review of my neutron spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105663/. kindly please review the spec. | 01:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Li Ma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix a log typo in ML2 manager.bind_port() https://review.openstack.org/106608 | 02:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sayaji Patil proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Changes to remove the use of mapping tables from Nuage plugin https://review.openstack.org/105611 | 02:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: VPNaaS: separate out validation logic for ref impl https://review.openstack.org/102351 | 03:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Plugin/DB additions for version 2 of LBaaS API https://review.openstack.org/105609 | 03:59 |
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| menastress | Hi, can someone help me to figure out where is openvswitch ml2-plugin source code? | 08:42 |
| menastress | I understand that it's a dump question, but in mech_openvswitch.py file written strange piece of code | 08:45 |
| menastress | Does that code somehow relates to neutron/plugins/openvswitch | 08:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Berezovsky Irena proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 mechanism driver for SR-IOV capable NIC based switching, Part 1 https://review.openstack.org/74464 | 08:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Implement ModelsMigrationsSync test from oslo.db https://review.openstack.org/76520 | 08:52 |
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| trinaths | Hi Reviewers. May I have your valuable time for the review of my neutron spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105663/. kindly please review the spec. | 08:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Joe Gordon proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make readme reference git.openstack.org not github https://review.openstack.org/107596 | 08:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cédric Ollivier proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add delete operations for the ODL MechanismDriver https://review.openstack.org/96459 | 09:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Baohua Yang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add singleton support. https://review.openstack.org/107605 | 09:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Trinath Somanchi proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Freescale FWaaS Plugin https://review.openstack.org/105663 | 09:45 |
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| trinaths | Hi Reviewers. May I have your valuable time for the review of my neutron spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105663/. kindly please review the spec. I have updated the spec with reviewer comments. | 09:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Fix a log typo in ML2 manager.bind_port() https://review.openstack.org/106608 | 10:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Implement ModelsMigrationsSync test from oslo.db https://review.openstack.org/76520 | 11:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Berezovsky Irena proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 mechanism driver for SR-IOV capable NIC based switching, Part 2 https://review.openstack.org/107651 | 11:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Refactor the security_group_rules_for_devices call. https://review.openstack.org/104522 | 11:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Refactor the security_group_rules_for_devices call. https://review.openstack.org/104522 | 11:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Marin-Frisonroche proposed a change to openstack/neutron: XML support for multi-provider extension https://review.openstack.org/107400 | 11:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Ofer Barkai proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Enhance floating IP router lookup https://review.openstack.org/55987 | 11:44 |
| akamyshnikova | mestery, hi! can you take a look at this https://review.openstack.org/106725 fix of migration? | 11:46 |
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| garyk | obondarev: please see http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.i18n/guidelines.html#choosing-a-marker-function regarding patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107318/ | 11:53 |
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| garyk | sorry https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107137/2 | 11:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Flavor Framework implementation https://review.openstack.org/107661 | 11:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Flavor Framework implementation https://review.openstack.org/105982 | 12:01 |
| unmeshg | Hi | 12:02 |
| unmeshg | My devstack installation seems to be failing due to a neutron db sync error | 12:03 |
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| unmeshg | the traceback can be seen here : http://paste.openstack.org/show/86920/ | 12:03 |
| unmeshg | I also dropped the neutron_ml2 database and rerun stack.sh | 12:04 |
| unmeshg | but still hit the same issue | 12:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Refactor the security_group_rules_for_devices call. https://review.openstack.org/104522 | 12:07 |
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| unmeshg | Can someone suggest how to get over the db sync error> | 12:16 |
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| trinaths | Hi Reviewers. May I have your valuable time for the review of my neutron spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105663/. kindly please review the spec. I have updated the spec with reviewer comments. | 13:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Li Ma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Race condition of L3-agent to add/remove routers https://review.openstack.org/73234 | 13:13 |
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| tristanC | Hello folks, I'm looking for Liping Mao, do you know if he is around ? | 13:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | fumihiko kakuma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: OFAgent: Implement arp responder https://review.openstack.org/94183 | 13:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Terry Wilson proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Retry on unassigned ofport instead of treating it as a failure https://review.openstack.org/106517 | 13:52 |
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| salv-orlando | safchain: do you think this can be backported? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60016/ | 13:57 |
| salv-orlando | I think people running icehouse are hitting the bug it fixes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1342142 | 13:57 |
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| safchain | salv-orlando, it should be | 13:58 |
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| safchain | salv-orlando, do you want I try to backport it | 13:59 |
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| salv-orlando | I’m wondering if we should backport the whole thing or just the bit for retrieving routers by agent | 13:59 |
| salv-orlando | my vote is for the whole thing | 13:59 |
| safchain | salv-orlando, agree with you | 14:00 |
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| salv-orlando | cool if you want to go ahead I’ll +1 it and then some stable maintainer will merge it | 14:00 |
| safchain | salv-orlando, k, I'll do | 14:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Li Ma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Race condition of L3-agent to add/remove routers https://review.openstack.org/73234 | 14:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Zang MingJie proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Log exceptions inside spawned functions https://review.openstack.org/106362 | 14:13 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: do you agree this can be pushed out to juno-3? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1207402 | 14:18 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Yup, I agree. It's probably a bit too much to throw in the mix right now. | 14:20 |
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| salv-orlando | ok thanks | 14:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maruti Kamat proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fixed audit notifications for dhcp-agent-network https://review.openstack.org/98330 | 14:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow to import _LC, _LE, _LI and _LW functions directly https://review.openstack.org/107137 | 14:56 |
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| trinaths | Hi Reviewers. May I have your valuable time for the review of my neutron spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105663/. kindly please review the spec. I have updated the spec with reviewer comments. | 15:54 |
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| JayJ____ | Not sure whether this is correct place to ask for neutron help but asking anyway.. | 15:55 |
| JayJ____ | have an issue with neutron in the install I did usign the sources from the master. Wondering whether there were any issues that you are aware? I'm using ML2. I cannot ping floating ip. Interestingly I can ping the router's external interface. The security rules are all correctly modified. | 15:55 |
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| JayJ____ | I posted logs here and about to post to askopenstack.com https://gist.github.com/jjanardh/27394f71b33f14650b81 | 15:56 |
| JayJ____ | Anybody to save my day? | 15:56 |
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| emagana | carl_baldwin: ping! | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | armax: ping | 16:21 |
| armax | rkukura: pong | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | armax: I just did a quick review of the ML2 changes for DVR, and have some concerns | 16:22 |
| armax | rkukura: some is better than none | 16:22 |
| rkukura | armax: Are you in the bay area next week? | 16:22 |
| armax | yes | 16:23 |
| armax | I live in the bay area | 16:23 |
| rkukura | I will be too. I’m wondering if we should sit down together, maybe Monday afternoon, to work through some of this? | 16:23 |
| armax | is there anything that can be addressed sooner? | 16:23 |
| armax | from now until Monday we could get a lot done | 16:24 |
| rkukura | Maybe. See my review comments. | 16:24 |
| armax | ok | 16:24 |
| rkukura | I’ve also got a lot of spec reviewing to do between now and Sunday’s spec approval deadline. | 16:25 |
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| armax | I’ll go over your details one more time, I think the -2 is a bit harsh, but ok | 16:25 |
| rkukura | armax: Lets discuss the review comments later today. | 16:26 |
| armax | you’re the ML2 guru a -1 is almost as sticky as a -2 ;) | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | armax: Maybe -1 would have been fine. Was just not sure if it would stick if you do updates, and I have trouble keeping up with rapid review cycles | 16:26 |
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| armax | you’re right…let me see if we can make progress until Monday, but I’d be happy to get together regardles | 16:27 |
| armax | s | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | armax: Feel free to ping me any time on this | 16:28 |
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| armax | will do, thanks for looking into this | 16:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | emagana: pong | 16:41 |
| emagana | just want to give you a heads up on the new patch for the multinode | 16:41 |
| carl_baldwin | emagana: Thanks, I’ll have a look today. | 16:41 |
| emagana | carl_baldwin: I have also a patch waiting for another core | 16:42 |
| emagana | carl_baldwin: Its a simple fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98279/ | 16:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sumit Naiksatam proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy API-1: EP, EPG, L2 Policy, L3 Policy https://review.openstack.org/95900 | 16:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | emagana: I will put it on my list. | 16:50 |
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| kevinbenton | enikanorov: ha! https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1343177 | 17:43 |
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| kevinbenton | enikanorov: I believe the pythonic phrase for that is “We’re all consenting adults here” | 17:44 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: Ping | 18:59 |
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| klindgren_ | Hello, Does anyone have neutron + config drive working. I have both nuetron+dhcp and config drive working. But config drive is missing the openstack/content/000 so I can't configure networking via config drive | 19:14 |
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| armax | rkukura: ping | 19:18 |
| rkukura | armax: Wrapping up an GBP meeting, and have anyother ping queued | 19:20 |
| armax | :) | 19:20 |
| armax | ok | 19:20 |
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| armax | rkukura: plz ping me back if you have time | 19:20 |
| rkukura | armax: will do | 19:21 |
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| aleksandr_null | Hi Armax! | 19:22 |
| armax | aleksandr_null: | 19:22 |
| armax | hi | 19:22 |
| aleksandr_null | How are you ? | 19:22 |
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| armax | aleksandr_null: I’m well | 19:23 |
| aleksandr_null | armax: great +) | 19:23 |
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| aleksandr_null | Armando, have you look into logs ? I'm still trying to figure out whats happening and why snat namespace didn't configured properly. | 19:24 |
| armax | aleksandr_null: there have been changes that merged lately so I am dealing with other issues, so short answer no | 19:25 |
| aleksandr_null | Ok =) | 19:25 |
| armax | aleksandr_null: but I haven’t forgotten about you | 19:25 |
| armax | :) | 19:25 |
| aleksandr_null | may be you have some ideas what could be wrong ? I've checked environment and everything looks correct ;( | 19:25 |
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| armax | aleksandr_null: true..but now the codebase for dvr has changed a bit so you might be facing with something completely different | 19:26 |
| aleksandr_null | And what about multiple snat's ? Or why not to combine fip and snat ? | 19:26 |
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| armax | I am really the best person to ask this question, vivek or swami would be the ones in the best position, but they don’t seem to be in the room | 19:27 |
| armax | sorry I am *not | 19:27 |
| aleksandr_null | Ok, thanks will try to reach them. I've seen discussions and only one behavior that looks like scaring for them is that source ip for snat'ted vm will be different depend on compute node but this fine. I've deployed a lot of clusters and could say that this isn't something that scares and/or disappoints a lot. | 19:29 |
| aleksandr_null | but with that neutron+ml2+ovs solution will look like the real one that wouldn't have a lot of single points of failure. | 19:31 |
| aleksandr_null | of course there is some problems with dhcp agent remains but this is out-of-scope in terms of routing problems. | 19:31 |
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| armax | yeah | 19:32 |
| aleksandr_null | Is there is any discussions/talks that I could participate to improve/comment DVR-related things ? | 19:32 |
| armax | there’s a dvr meeting on wed 15utc I think | 19:33 |
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| armax | and the l3 meeting on thu at 16utc | 19:34 |
| armax | or 14 and 15utc respecitively don’t remember on the top of my head right now | 19:34 |
| aleksandr_null | on which particular channel they happens ? | 19:34 |
| aleksandr_null | this one ? | 19:34 |
| armax | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 19:34 |
| aleksandr_null | Great! Thanks! | 19:35 |
| aleksandr_null | I'm newbie in os development process but I have a lot of field and production related experience with networking, openstack, virtualization and so on. Maybe I could be useful +) | 19:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | rossella_s: ping are you still around? | 19:37 |
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| armax | aleksandr_null: great, we need people like you | 19:39 |
| rkukura | armax: couple more minutes | 19:39 |
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| * armax thinks rkukura has one of those automated queuing systems that notify the caller of how minutes are left to get to the top of the queue | 19:40 | |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron-specs: Cisco VPNaaS with in-band Cisco CSR router https://review.openstack.org/104668 | 19:42 |
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| rkukura | armax: pong | 19:55 |
| armax | rkukura: ping | 19:55 |
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| rkukura | that seems backwards | 19:55 |
| armax | :) | 19:56 |
| armax | I looked at your comments in more details | 19:56 |
| armax | you make great points | 19:56 |
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| armax | I am working on addressing on some of them and I wanted to work with you to define the borderline | 19:57 |
| rkukura | armax: ok | 19:57 |
| armax | between what is deemed necessary to unblock the patch and what can be ‘future’ work | 19:57 |
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| armax | or better still ‘refactoring’ and enhancement to the current models | 19:58 |
| armax | from what I understood some of your considerations really go beyond dvr, am I correct? | 19:58 |
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| rkukura | I think all the concerns are really with the current code, but I was also thinking this could be generalized a bit in the future. | 19:59 |
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| rkukura | armax: I think my biggest concern is to make sure we understand distribute bindings from the point of view of the REST API, but short and longer term. | 20:00 |
| armax | rkukura: agreed, however you mentioned that host in the bindings should probably be exposed as a property of the context | 20:00 |
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| armax | as an example, I can see the value of abstracting that…but I was thinking of fixing this on the side to give more visibility to the change | 20:01 |
| armax | I am taking care of this now | 20:01 |
| rkukura | Second biggest concern has to do with keepig as much as possible hidden inside ML2, and not exposed to drivers. | 20:01 |
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| armax | true, but l2pop does need to know about those | 20:02 |
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| armax | otherwise how it won’t be able to have the required data to dissemiate to the agents | 20:02 |
| rkukura | And third concern is to to make sure the DB schema is what we want if possible | 20:02 |
| armax | the db schema is always in flux, not sure we can really achieve that :) | 20:03 |
| armax | we can try and capture a model that’s general enough | 20:03 |
| armax | but there will be tweaks and changes always | 20:04 |
| armax | the thing we’d need to work out is whether we’d want this changes to be part of the dvr work | 20:04 |
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| armax | or part of a work that encompasses these concerns of yours | 20:04 |
| rkukura | If it makes sense to break out some ML2 changes as separate patches, we can do that, but lets figure out what is needed first. | 20:05 |
| armax | so that we can have a more flexible ML2 framework | 20:05 |
| rkukura | armax: Can we discuss the REST API a bit? | 20:05 |
| armax | sure | 20:05 |
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| rkukura | Right now, the binding:vif_type and binding:vif_details attributes of a port are the results from its binding. | 20:06 |
| armax | yup | 20:06 |
| rkukura | For normal ports, doing a get/show on port (as admin) will return these attributes. | 20:06 |
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| rkukura | For distributed ports, its seems we need to know which host_id we are talking about to return anything useful for these attributes. | 20:07 |
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| rkukura | Or are you assuming that all nodes will have the same vif_type and vif_details? | 20:07 |
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| armax | in the dvr case the nodes need to provide the same details | 20:08 |
| armax | I think we could envision some sort of hybrid scenerio | 20:08 |
| armax | scenario | 20:08 |
| armax | but not from the beginning I don’t think | 20:08 |
| rkukura | armax: But what if there is a mix of different types of nodes that need to bind differently? | 20:08 |
| armax | meaning using different vif types? | 20:09 |
| rkukura | maybe, or the vif details can differ | 20:10 |
| rkukura | things like SR-IOV are using these | 20:10 |
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| rkukura | but not sure if any of that appies to an l3_agent’s bindings | 20:10 |
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| armax | I think to start simple we’d want an omogenous environment | 20:11 |
| rkukura | long term, I’d like to have a generic_interface_driver for the agents, that, like nova’s generic VIF driver, bases what it does on vif_type and vif_details. | 20:11 |
| armax | from a validation standpoint it’s very difficult to establish that the dvr functionality is sound across a number of combinations we don’t know of | 20:12 |
| rkukura | armax: But ML2 does currently support mixing Linux and HyperV compute nodes, for instance | 20:12 |
| rkukura | armax: I’m OK with making some similifiying assumptions for the initial DVR implementation, but feel its important to at least have a plan of how to remove those assumptions longer term. | 20:13 |
| rkukura | Do you agree that we at least need to do the real ML2 port binding separately for each node of a distributed port? | 20:13 |
| armax | agreed, I think you’re right, limitations may be in place | 20:13 |
| armax | just because of the implementation | 20:14 |
| armax | I mean the first version of it | 20:14 |
| rkukura | Even if port binding results in the same vif_type and vif_details for all hosts for the port, there are side effects such as drivers setting up ToR switch that need to happen, right? | 20:14 |
| tristanC | Can someone please cast a +2 on this [stable/icehouse] review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107733/ ? | 20:15 |
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| armax | right but DVR won’t be able to work with any driver | 20:15 |
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| rkukura | armax: I understand it will only work with the ovs mechanism driver as the host-level binding. | 20:16 |
| armax | yup, with l2pop | 20:16 |
| rkukura | Right now, other mechanism drivers are often involved, setting up switches to trunk VLANs, etc. | 20:16 |
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| rkukura | I also understand DVR only works with VXLAN initially, but am not clear why that is the case | 20:17 |
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| armax | currently it only works with VxLAN | 20:17 |
| armax | not even vlan | 20:17 |
| armax | we’re figuring out if we can support GRE | 20:17 |
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| rkukura | anyway, the hierarchical port binding BP (spec in review) will be formalizing how these multi-level bindings are done | 20:17 |
| armax | there’s a larger discussion going on about this | 20:17 |
| armax | I can forward the details | 20:17 |
| armax | I’ll familirarize with this bp | 20:18 |
| armax | I’d be happy to work on it with you | 20:18 |
| rkukura | I think the trend will be for switches to do the tunneling and send the networks to the hosts as VLANs for large scale deployments | 20:18 |
| armax | but I’d see this largely hortogonal to what dvr is trying to achieve | 20:19 |
| armax | am I wrong? | 20:19 |
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| rkukura | Yes, it should be, but I’m concerned if DVR cannot be made to work with VLANs with OVS at the host level. | 20:19 |
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| rkukura | Is it reasonable to assume that will be solved eventually? | 20:20 |
| armax | it’s not impossible, but it’s harder | 20:20 |
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| armax | at the time vxlan was deemed an acceptable compromise | 20:21 |
| armax | we can definitely revisit | 20:21 |
| rkukura | Its a first step | 20:21 |
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| armax | so you’re suggesting that vlan support is a blocker for dvr? | 20:21 |
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| rkukura | I don’t think its required for an initial merge, but the architecture has to support VLANs I’d tink | 20:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | rkukura: vlan will be addressed. We need to discuss the priority of that (as well as GRE). | 20:22 |
| rkukura | carl_baldwin: thanks | 20:22 |
| armax | vlan has been on the back of your minds, we definitely need to figure out how to incorporate it in the existing framework | 20:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | rkukura: I was actually just asking the DVR team about VLAN and GRE this morning. I’m going to go over the DVR backlog with Kyle soon. Let me know if there is anything else we need to discuss as a backlog item. | 20:23 |
| rkukura | Lets assume VLANs will eventually be supported, and that hierarchical port bindings with switches allocating VLANs on links to hosts will need to be supported, which means each host of a distributed port needs to establish its own real ML2 port binding | 20:24 |
| rkukura | Is that fair? | 20:24 |
| rkukura | I think that’s what the current DVR code is doing, isn’t it? | 20:25 |
| armax | currently there are multiple bindings per dvr port | 20:25 |
| rkukura | right | 20:25 |
| rkukura | and we were discussing what this should look like from the REST API point of view | 20:26 |
| armax | correct | 20:26 |
| rkukura | I see three options: | 20:26 |
| armax | so we’d need to figure out how to bring that multiplicity at the rest level | 20:26 |
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| armax | is that a fair statement? | 20:27 |
| rkukura | 1) we pretend its not a problem, and expect vif_type and vif_details to always be the same for all hosts. Same for the status I think. | 20:27 |
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| armax | I think as far as DVR is concerned we’d want to hide this complexity to the API level | 20:29 |
| rkukura | 2) we do enough to get by. I think this means that port create and update operations that supply the host_id as an input parameter can return host-specific output data, but if the host_id isn’t an input, we need to indicate that at least vif_type isn’t available (maybe return a value indicating its a distributed binding) | 20:29 |
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| rkukura | 3) we introduce sub-resources under port for each hosts’ binding attributes | 20:29 |
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| armax | however with option 2 or 3 in place that complexity becomes visible | 20:30 |
| rkukura | armax: Normal users don’t see any of this, but admins do, and nova relies on it | 20:30 |
| rkukura | I’m not really sure if the current code is trying to do option 1 or 2 | 20:30 |
| armax | rkukura: I’d be inclined to say option 1 | 20:31 |
| rkukura | And even if option 3 is the right solution, I think its not reasonable for juno | 20:31 |
| armax | and yes, the admin may be interested in having visibility in these details | 20:31 |
| armax | but I am not necessarily convinced that exposing more complexity to an underlying feature to make distributed L3 is really the answer | 20:32 |
| rkukura | So with option 1, we do still bind each port separately, but only use one of these bindings to populate the port dictionary with results? | 20:32 |
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| armax | not sure I follow | 20:33 |
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| rkukura | My concern with this is that even the existing mechanism drivers for ToR switches will not do the right thing. | 20:33 |
| armax | they obviously won’t because dvr has not been designed to work with them | 20:34 |
| rkukura | If the port is distributed which host’s data gets returned as the binding:host_id, binding:vif_type, binding:vif_details? | 20:34 |
| armax | in which context? | 20:34 |
| armax | i.e. on which call? | 20:35 |
| rkukura | DVR shouldn’t need to know anything about how the L2 network connectiviity is being managed | 20:35 |
| rkukura | On create, update, and get calls | 20:35 |
| armax | it looks like it needs to though | 20:35 |
| armax | that’s how east-west traffic is made possible | 20:35 |
| rkukura | armax: can you explain? | 20:36 |
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| armax | there are changes being done at the l2 agent level to handle dvr traffic correctly | 20:37 |
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| armax | and to update the mesh of tunnels according to the vm’s being in the system | 20:38 |
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| rkukura | armax: I understand that some of that is needed with l2pop. But isn’t the local l3-agent connecting to both L2 networks for east-west traffic and putting the traffic onto the destination’s L2 network? | 20:39 |
| armax | for instance dvr is responsible for populating the ARP table in the router namespace | 20:39 |
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| armax | not 100% sure, but I don’t think that the l3 agent participates in that ones the rights flows are installed | 20:42 |
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| aleksandr_null | rkukura: Could you please clarify this assumption: 1) we pretend its not a problem, and expect vif_type and vif_details to always be the same for all hosts. Same for the status I think. | 20:43 |
| rkukura | armax: regardless of all the magic that needs to happen, at some point the outgoing data needs to flow over some L2 network, which for now has to be VXLAN but later could hopefully be any network_type. | 20:43 |
| armax | correct | 20:43 |
| aleksandr_null | I'm not have some deep knowledge in neutron insides but I'm worrying about "expect vif_type and vif_details to always be the same for all hosts" | 20:44 |
| carl_baldwin | rkukura: I’m trying to hang on to this conversation. Is the main concern that the distributed port cannot currently handle heterogeneous binding on different hosts? | 20:44 |
| armax | question is: do we want to pause the work now to address the future need of heterogenous networks later? | 20:44 |
| aleksandr_null | Is it possible to get examples of expected behavior. | 20:44 |
| rkukura | aleksandr_null: My undestanding is that with the current DVR code, port binding is occuring separately for each host of a distributed port. That is a good thing in my opinion. But I’m trying to understand what that looks like from the REST API perspective. | 20:45 |
| armax | or do we want to proceed with the assumption that we’ll want to address this need in the future and that can done as a successive iteration? | 20:45 |
| aleksandr_null | rkukura: completely agree | 20:45 |
| aleksandr_null | So am I =) | 20:46 |
| rkukura | armax: We want to proceed, but I think we should try to limit how much will need to be reworked later | 20:46 |
| armax | :) | 20:46 |
| armax | that’s an exercise I always fail to succeed at | 20:46 |
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| armax | and I might not be the only one | 20:46 |
| rkukura | armax: it might be worse if you didn’t try - its not all-or-nothing | 20:47 |
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| armax | rkukura: I don’t disagree…it’s inevitable that needs change and it’s good to plan for change | 20:47 |
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| rkukura | Very short term, with distributed bindings for DVR, the attributes that get returned don’t really matter - the OVS interface driver used by the L3 agent doesn’t pay attention to them. | 20:48 |
| armax | rkukura: that everything has a cost and trying to find the right balance is difficult | 20:48 |
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| armax | especially since we don’t know whether that flexibility is really going to be used sooner rather than later | 20:49 |
| armax | I suppose flexibility would speed the adoption process for DVR | 20:49 |
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| armax | but at the same time the sooner we kick the tires the sooner we can start to get field-based feedback | 20:50 |
| rkukura | For the REST API, option 1 might be sufficient for DVR itself short term, but we might need to think about option 2 because REST APIs need to return something. Also, admins look at binding:vif_type to debug problems, so we should probably return somethig that makes some sense. | 20:51 |
| armax | true | 20:51 |
| armax | even thought the device owner should be indicative | 20:51 |
| armax | and give some insight to the admin as to what is going on | 20:51 |
| armax | and device id | 20:51 |
| rkukura | My option 2 proposal would be to make the code return the following for a distributed port: binding:host_id = None, binding:vif_type = “distributed” | 20:52 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: L2 Model additions to support DVR https://review.openstack.org/102101 | 20:53 |
| rkukura | But if a port update contains a host_id value (even it its the same as the current value) we could return that hosts’ specific info. This is a real hack, until option 3 can be implemented. | 20:53 |
| armax | I can explore option 2 to see if we get something that makes sense | 20:53 |
| rkukura | I should have put a -1 on that patch that just merged - I really want to avoid a separate DVR port binding model. | 20:53 |
| armax | we can revisit in the ml2 patch you looked at | 20:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: no quota for allowed address pair https://review.openstack.org/107734 | 20:54 |
| armax | I thought you had looked at it and were fine with it | 20:55 |
| rkukura | armax: OK, I’m fine with defering the decison on what we return from the REST APIs for the binding attributes for now. | 20:55 |
| armax | I’ll work on option 2 | 20:55 |
| armax | and address the outstanding concerns that you raised inline, they are all excellent points | 20:55 |
| rkukura | armax: I was having trouble making sense of the individual patches, so just pulled the series in and looked at how it all worked | 20:55 |
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| armax | rkukura: you’re not alone | 20:56 |
| rkukura | So can we talk about the driver API view a bit? | 20:56 |
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| armax | sure | 20:56 |
| armax | I think that it makes sense to hide as much as possible | 20:56 |
| rkukura | Do you think adding bound_host and previous_bound_host properties for PortContext, and hiding the DVR-specific logic in the plugin rather than in the l2pop driver, makes sense? | 20:57 |
| armax | are you referring to host and status being tricked down to the mech_driver? | 20:57 |
| aleksandr_null | rkukura: I have one question for you and may be you could clarify it for me: What about multiple snat's ? Or why not to combine fip and snat roles to one? | 20:57 |
| armax | I think it does | 20:57 |
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| armax | since this change is affecting other parts of the code not touched by dvr | 20:57 |
| rkukura | At least the host. I’m still unsure how the status is supposed to work. That is currently not really part of the binding | 20:57 |
| armax | I was going to do it on a new one based on top of the DVR one | 20:58 |
| armax | or viceversa | 20:58 |
| armax | so that we can identifiy the change in isolation | 20:58 |
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| armax | rkukura: would it make sense? | 20:58 |
| rkukura | aleksandr_null: I’ve only had time to look closely at how DVR integrates with ML2, so don’t really know those details at all. | 20:59 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: What do you mean by “multiple snats”? | 20:59 |
| armax | rkukura: I was actually looking at this right now | 21:00 |
| armax | I mean prior to our chat | 21:00 |
| rkukura | armax: Maybe a quick stand-alone WIP patch for the distributed binding ML2 changes would be ideal for exploring this. | 21:00 |
| rkukura | armax: So the status also seems to be handled the same way in l2pop. Can we do something similar for this as PortContext properties? | 21:01 |
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| armax | yes | 21:01 |
| armax | it makes sense | 21:01 |
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| rkukura | I think these two should allow removing the binding property that was added to PortContext, right? | 21:02 |
| aleksandr_null | Hi carl_baldwin! Basically usign regular router you're able to spin up multiple l3 agents on different network nodes to be able load balance north-south traffic to different nodes. Now I'm not able to run any additional l3_agent with dvr_snat role. So I make assumption that this is a limitation and this limitation doesn't looks good for me. | 21:02 |
| armax | yes | 21:02 |
| armax | that was my assumption | 21:02 |
| armax | I am gonna work on this and add you to the review to see if I had interpreted your concerns correctly | 21:02 |
| rkukura | armax: I think that is worth working on as an initial step | 21:02 |
| armax | rkukura: yes, definitely | 21:03 |
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| armax | I’ll file a separate patch and rebase the ML2 DVR one on top of it | 21:03 |
| rkukura | The next step I’d like to explore with you if we can is using/modifying the regular PortBinding model class rather than introducing a DVR-specific one. | 21:03 |
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| rkukura | I’m hoping this would then allow using the existing port binding logic that does the binds outside transactions | 21:04 |
| rkukura | the existing code rather than a copy of the code | 21:04 |
| armax | I think the DVR specific one is needed to track the host-specific bindings | 21:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: You mean load balance N/S traffic through one given router or do you mean load balancing by distributing multiple routers across multiple nodes? | 21:05 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: RPC additions to support DVR https://review.openstack.org/102332 | 21:05 |
| rkukura | I was suggesting that we add a host_id field as part of the primary key, so the existing table can have host-specific bindings. An empty value for this would be used for normal non-distributed bindings. | 21:06 |
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| armax | rkukura: I think I understand your concern about running the binding in the transaction | 21:06 |
| armax | I think I didnt’ do a good job at resolving the merge conflicts when after your patch merged | 21:07 |
| armax | I need to revise that | 21:07 |
| armax | rkukura: I don’t think that’s possible | 21:07 |
| armax | you cannot have a null part of a key | 21:07 |
| aleksandr_null | Second variant would be ideal and personally think that it could be achieved by combining fip and snat roles. But if it impossible to do in juno timeframe then at least will be good to have first option. | 21:07 |
| armax | that’s why the extra model is necessary | 21:07 |
| armax | rkukura: ^ | 21:07 |
| rkukura | armax: I think if you have multiple keys, some can be nullable. | 21:08 |
| armax | not sure how you would enforce the uniqueness constraint of a key if some element of the keys are nullable | 21:09 |
| armax | I am not 100% sure but I woudln’t be suprised if different DB backends behaved differently | 21:09 |
| rkukura | armax: I could look into this a bit, but probably not until I’ve done a bunch of spec reviews | 21:09 |
| armax | I think the solution would be to have a binding table on its own | 21:09 |
| armax | that captures the bindings | 21:09 |
| armax | and then another table that would hold (port, host, binding) altogether | 21:10 |
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| rkukura | I’d really like to have distributed bindings use the same code as non-distributed bindings, as much as possible | 21:10 |
| armax | I’d need to review the conceptual model first, before really doing the translation into the logical model | 21:10 |
| rkukura | armax: OK. I may send you an email with what I think the DB model could look like. | 21:11 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: Multiple routers can still be distributed to multiple network nodes to load balance. That hasn’t changed. Load balancing N/S traffic within a single router is not currently possible. That is what DVR is for. There is a proposal for an HA router but that has not yet merged. | 21:11 |
| armax | I think the dvr team tried that…what they reached today is largely a compromise that’s minimally invasive to the existing code | 21:11 |
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| armax | rkukura: we’d need to get the E/R model right | 21:12 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: combining snat and fip doesn’t make sense. The fip namespace exists on a compute node and the snat namespace exists on a network node. | 21:12 |
| armax | then the translation to the DB schema is a piece of cake | 21:12 |
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| armax | so to recap | 21:13 |
| rkukura | My goal would be to have a single DB model used for both normal and distributed bindings so that the same binding code can work with either. Otherwise copies of the code will diverge over time. Adding hierachical bindings is one example where this code is likely to change | 21:14 |
| armax | rkukura: I think that won’t be possible | 21:14 |
| armax | without compromising the normalization of the DB | 21:14 |
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| aleksandr_null | carl_baldwin: I'm telling that I wasn't able to run another l3_agent with dvr_snat and try to spin up even one router. It very easy to reproduce. Just start couple of l3_agents on different nodes and try to create a router. There will be an error about that another l3_agent with sant exists. | 21:14 |
| aleksandr_null | *with snat | 21:14 |
| armax | and I’d rather keep the DB normalized | 21:15 |
| armax | but the code can be refactored in a way that can handle multiple cases so that we minimize the duplication | 21:15 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: Do you have that error posted somewhere where I can take a look? | 21:15 |
| armax | step 1 would be to figure out a way to expose a bind type that’s ‘distributed' | 21:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Karthik Natarajan proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Design Spec For Brocade Vyatta L3 Plugin https://review.openstack.org/101052 | 21:16 |
| rkukura | armax: I agree that we’d end up with some DB columns that aren’t used in certain cases, but I’m not sure that is too bad. | 21:16 |
| armax | step 2 would be to encapsulate better info like status and host | 21:16 |
| aleksandr_null | Give me some time and I will try to reproduce it again. | 21:16 |
| armax | step 2a would be to ensure we do things’ | 21:16 |
| armax | outside the transation blocks | 21:16 |
| aleksandr_null | carl_baldwin: why not so have snap+fip on each and every compute node ? And because they will be co-exist on each and everty compute node it would be easier to merge them. Why this wouldn't work ? | 21:16 |
| armax | step 3 would be to figure out how to unify the model between single and distributed bindings | 21:17 |
| armax | is that a fair summary? | 21:17 |
| armax | rkukura: ^ | 21:17 |
| rkukura | armax: Sounds good, with the possible exception that step 3 might make step 2a a lot easier | 21:17 |
| aleksandr_null | mechanism is still the same. The only thing is that their is no DNAT, only snat for VM's that didn't have a floating ip. Remaining logic looks the same one. | 21:17 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: What would be gained by doing that? | 21:17 |
| carl_baldwin | It sounds like what you want is SNAT done in the qrouter namespace on compute nodes. | 21:18 |
| aleksandr_null | escaping of single-point-of-failure in terms of north-south traffic for VM's without floating IPs | 21:18 |
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| armax | rkukura: I’ll look into that the thing is that the bindings are handled by the l3 agents | 21:19 |
| armax | so it’s sort of a different story anyway | 21:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: There is discussion about doing something different with SNAT. There are pros and cons but there is not consensus. | 21:19 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ve started to enumerate options here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/decentralized-snat | 21:19 |
| rkukura | armax: Just to be clear, I’m not totally set on sharing the same DB model for normal and distributed bindings. If that doesn’t work out, and refactoring the code to work with either does work out, I’m OK with that. | 21:20 |
| armax | rkukura: understood | 21:20 |
| rkukura | armax: Thanks! Anything else right now? | 21:21 |
| armax | not that I can think of | 21:21 |
| armax | I’ll work on the patch and poke you again when it’s ready to review | 21:21 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: The current solution was chosen because it mimicks the behavior pre-DVR for default SNAT. | 21:21 |
| rkukura | armax: +2 | 21:21 |
| armax | rkukura: thank you! | 21:21 |
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| aleksandr_null | carl_baldwin: I've already read about that in shortcut thread and the only "unusual" behavior is that the vm's without fip will have outside address depends on compute node. As far as I know from my field experience it doesn't matter a lot. Much important not to have bottlenecks and spof | 21:22 |
| rkukura | armax: wish I could help more with this, but am spread pretty thin right now. | 21:22 |
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| armax | rkukura: aren’t we all? | 21:22 |
| armax | :) | 21:22 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: The spof/bottleneck nature of the current solution is understood and has been accepted generally as a good enough first pass. | 21:23 |
| aleksandr_null | Ohhh... | 21:23 |
| armax | rkukura: thanks, this was really helpful | 21:23 |
| aleksandr_null | I'm really sorry. It wouldn't work for production at all. | 21:23 |
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| aleksandr_null | carl_baldwin: May I say my opinion about alternatives ? | 21:24 |
| carl_baldwin | It isn’t the ideal for production but I know it works in production. | 21:24 |
| aleksandr_null | Just Disable Default SNAT and Assign a Floating IP to all VMs shouldn't be considered as an options. | 21:25 |
| carl_baldwin | The current non-DVR router is a full spof/bottleneck solution. I’m not sure how this can be worse. | 21:25 |
| aleksandr_null | At least it allows multiple snat's (in terms of dvr) | 21:25 |
| aleksandr_null | And Access Outside through Proxy also no so good idea. | 21:26 |
| aleksandr_null | Shared SNAT address is basically what I'm talking about :) | 21:26 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: Yes, I think you are talking about shared SNAT. | 21:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | There was a thread about this on the ML. A few people shared concerns about the shared nature of this approach. | 21:27 |
| aleksandr_null | As I already mentioned that doubts are nothing if we talking about real solution without spof. | 21:27 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m among those who have that concern. We can’t just share an IP address between tenants in any environment. | 21:28 |
| aleksandr_null | Later, of course it could be extended using vrrp and conntrack sync but that could be later. | 21:28 |
| carl_baldwin | There are some environments where it might be perfectly acceptible though. | 21:28 |
| aleksandr_null | I didn't understand position about "sharing" IP ? | 21:28 |
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| aleksandr_null | If you'll have a shared network between tenants it would be shared. | 21:29 |
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| aleksandr_null | In current and your model. | 21:29 |
| carl_baldwin | “Shared SNAT Address for each Compute Node”. One address for a compute node which may host VMs from different tenants. | 21:29 |
| aleksandr_null | I meant shared for VM's connected to one network/router. For different router you'll have to have different IP. It works this way now. | 21:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Return a tuple of None's instead of one None https://review.openstack.org/107475 | 21:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: Okay, that is a bit different model and cannot be achieved by putting SNAT in to the fip namespace since the fip namespace is shared among routers. | 21:31 |
| aleksandr_null | Of course it will lead to wasting of Public IPs but there is no way of solving that. | 21:31 |
| aleksandr_null | Except vrrp+conntrack | 21:32 |
| aleksandr_null | But as far as I know it not in juno timeframe. | 21:32 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: Essentially, it approaches 1 IP address per VM. | 21:32 |
| carl_baldwin | This just doesn’t scale well. | 21:33 |
| aleksandr_null | Wy it's 1 IP per 1 VM ? | 21:33 |
| aleksandr_null | Ok. May I provide an example ? | 21:34 |
| aleksandr_null | 1 compute node with 10 VM's from one tenant and 10 vm's for another tenant. 2 VM's from each tenant will have 2 Floating IP's. Two routers will have also 2 external IP. So for serving 20 VM's (4 of them will have Floatings) we have to use 2+4 Public IPs. | 21:35 |
| aleksandr_null | Totally 6. | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | It may work well under those conditions but your example doesn’t represent all deployments. | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | For example, I don’t often see any one tenant’s VMs landing on the same compute host. | 21:37 |
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| aleksandr_null | Well, I may say that almost(except provider networks) all my deployments will fit but you wouldn't believe me. | 21:38 |
| carl_baldwin | It is, by far, the exception rather than the rule. | 21:38 |
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| aleksandr_null | I suggest. | 21:38 |
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| aleksandr_null | You're right! | 21:38 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: I believe you that all of *your* deployments may fit. | 21:38 |
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| aleksandr_null | I could say names but I care only about component not the fame ;) | 21:39 |
| aleksandr_null | So whats wrong with different tenant VM's across multiple nodes ? | 21:39 |
| aleksandr_null | Ok I could improve example saying that there is additionally 9 compute nodes with the same placement as assignment. | 21:40 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: This model may be available in the future but it is not the one that we chose to go with initially. More discussion is warranted to determine where to go from here. | 21:40 |
| aleksandr_null | It would be totally 60 FIPs used per 200 VMs. | 21:41 |
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| aleksandr_null | Ok, may be I'm wrong in thinking that it is easiest way to implement that. | 21:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | Ease of implementation was not the major concern. The major concern was extra consumption of IP addresses and maintaining a model that behaved like the current model. | 21:44 |
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| aleksandr_null | IMHO behavior changing slightly but still clear. | 21:46 |
| _cjones_ | Hey guys. I'd like to introduce a new provider:xxx field in the neutron sql db. Are there instructions somewhere of how to do this? | 21:47 |
| _cjones_ | I'm just having trouble migrating the db. | 21:47 |
| aleksandr_null | I'm not an adept of nova-network but lot of customers still insist of using it because of reliability. Behavior is almost the same and everyone is happy for pretty long time :) | 21:47 |
| aleksandr_null | vrrp+cn-sync will improve that in future and everyone will be twice happier :) | 21:48 |
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| busterswt | I've got a Havana installation with a controller node handling Networking/Compute services with ML2/LinuxBridge. Seems Neutron needs python-six>=1.4.1, while some Nova services (conductor,scheduler) need python-six<1.4. Any suggestions on how to have these service co-exist on the same box, or am I looking at having to break them out? | 22:15 |
| busterswt | or am I doing it wrong?:) | 22:15 |
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| aleksandr_null | carl_baldwin: And I also forgot to mention that you're already spending one external ip for each and every copy of distributed router so even one VM on node in tenant network have a floating IP then fip namespace have to have one ip for him :) So there is no additional IP wasting beside that :) | 22:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: That isn’t true. | 22:38 |
| aleksandr_null | ? | 22:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Each component of a DVR router does not itself consume an IP address. | 22:39 |
| aleksandr_null | Hm. Give me a sec. | 22:40 |
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| aleksandr_null | Ok. Reproduced. Two vm's. Two hosts. | 22:43 |
| aleksandr_null | http://paste.openstack.org/show/87035/ | 22:44 |
| aleksandr_null | one for snat, two for dvr's, two for vm's. | 22:44 |
| aleksandr_null | What I'm doing wrong ? | 22:44 |
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| lifeless | carl_baldwin: whats the best material read to get across DVR? | 22:45 |
| aleksandr_null | http://imgur.com/cjbtCMw | 22:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | lifeless: What are you looking to learn? Internals? | 22:47 |
| aleksandr_null | carl_baldwin: And I also look on snat through multiple routers. Didn't see this issue right now, maybe because I'm almost latest DVR branch. | 22:49 |
| aleksandr_null | *I'm on latest. | 22:49 |
| lifeless | carl_baldwin: network interactions, design requirements for ops and deployment | 22:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: Of your ports, 2 are floating ip. One is consumed by the router (like pre-DVR) and the other 2 are consumed by the fip namespace: 1 per compute node. | 22:50 |
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| aleksandr_null | And how is differs from previously mentioned by me ? =) | 22:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | lifeless: There are some Google documents linked to the bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ovs-dvr | 22:51 |
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| aleksandr_null | I've told that wasting will be 1 IP per compute node. | 22:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | That was fun. | 22:54 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: is your IRC exploding with chat messages as well? | 22:55 |
| carl_baldwin | lifeless: So, the google docs linked from the bp predate the specs repo. | 22:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Yes. | 22:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I’m not sure if everyone is just getting dropped or if the room split or something. | 22:56 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: ok, thought it was just the bouncer i use | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: the core of the internet must be collapsing | 22:56 |
| lordd | sorry to interrupt folks, but what happened to the #openstack-lbaas? | 22:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | lordd: dunno | 22:58 |
| lordd | great :D | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | lordd: did it move to barbican? | 22:58 |
| aleksandr_null | if you'll have two routers (one router per tenant) you still will get an external IP for every DVR or not ? | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | lordd: #openstack-barbican | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | lordd: or is that orthoginal? | 22:59 |
| carl_baldwin | aleksandr_null: You can contrive examples to make the numbers the same but the way it scales is one IP consumed per compute node. Not one per distributed router component. | 23:00 |
| lordd | I thought the LBaaS was related to Neutron, not Barbican.. | 23:00 |
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| lordd | anyway, off we go | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | lordd: oh sorry, you’re right | 23:00 |
| lordd | sometimes I lose sense of how many projects there are | 23:01 |
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| kevinbenton | lordd: yeah, apparently it’s supposed to be #openstack-lbaas https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS | 23:01 |
| carl_baldwin | lifeless: If you’re still around, you might start here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Blueprint:_neutron-ovs-dvr_.28Swami.2C_mrsmith.2C_viveknarasimhan.2C_armax.29 | 23:01 |
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| lordd | ok, sorry I did something wrong, the channel is there.. 1000 apologies | 23:02 |
| kevinbenton | lordd: no prob | 23:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Modify L3 Agent for Distributed Routers https://review.openstack.org/89413 | 23:05 |
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| lifeless | carl_baldwin: thanks | 23:06 |
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| aleksandr_null | carl_baldwin: I meant that in scheme snat+dvr IP consumption will be the same but -1 (because of no standalone snat). | 23:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sridar Kandaswamy proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Specification for FWaaS changes for DVR https://review.openstack.org/106225 | 23:33 |
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