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| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Use adapter from keystoneclient https://review.openstack.org/118006 | 01:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Clean up CLI https://review.openstack.org/136257 | 01:06 |
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| yalie | Hi mestery , rkukura , could you help review the port-sec spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99873/ | 01:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | watanabe isao proposed openstack/neutron: Bug-Fix for unexpected DHCP agent redundant https://review.openstack.org/138659 | 02:44 |
| openstackgerrit | watanabe isao proposed openstack/neutron: Improve test coverage of dhcp agent scheduling https://review.openstack.org/120804 | 02:44 |
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| mnaser | I've discovered a bug that I'm trying to solve.. https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/cmd/usage_audit.py | 02:46 |
| mnaser | plugin.get_routers(cxt): is erroring out: AttributeError: 'Ml2Plugin' object has no attribute 'get_routers' | 02:47 |
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| mnaser | fixed! | 03:00 |
| mnaser | i'll submit a patch | 03:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Abhishek Chanda proposed openstack/neutron: Introduce a parameter to config GARP transmission delay https://review.openstack.org/141918 | 05:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Abhishek Chanda proposed openstack/neutron: Introduce a parameter to config GARP transmission delay https://review.openstack.org/141918 | 05:25 |
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| trinaths | Hi Neutroners , Very Good Morning | 05:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Tighten dnsmasq version regex https://review.openstack.org/139889 | 05:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Remove unnecessary regex grouping https://review.openstack.org/139888 | 05:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Enable pylint checks for "anomalous" string escapes https://review.openstack.org/130184 | 05:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Combine author_tag and log_translation_hint regexes https://review.openstack.org/139887 | 05:38 |
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| trinaths | Got a doubt here with respect to split of vendor code and neutron core. Do the ML2 MDs and Vendor specific *aas plugins take a new place from the neutron/openstack repositories? | 05:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Set timeout for functional job https://review.openstack.org/141441 | 06:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed openstack/neutron: Advanced services support in neutron-db-manage https://review.openstack.org/140537 | 06:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: ofa_test_base: Fix NoSuchOptError in UT https://review.openstack.org/134435 | 06:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: tests: initialize admin context after super().setUp call https://review.openstack.org/139998 | 06:27 |
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| trinaths | any inputs for me ? | 06:30 |
| jschwarz_ | trinaths, inputs? | 06:30 |
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| trinaths | jschwarz_: Got a doubt here with respect to split of vendor code and neutron core. Do the ML2 MDs and Vendor specific *aas plugins take a new place from the neutron/openstack repositories? | 06:34 |
| jschwarz_ | lol trinaths, i'm the wrong person to ask :< | 06:34 |
| jschwarz_ | I'm way out of touch in this regard | 06:35 |
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| trinaths | jschwarz_: :) | 06:36 |
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| trinaths | irenab: Hi, w..r.t your reply mail in ML, any thoughts on vendor code and neutron core split.? | 06:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sridhar Gaddam proposed openstack/neutron: Validate IPv6 subnet while associating to Router https://review.openstack.org/136733 | 06:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed openstack/neutron: Allow filtering routers by network-ids https://review.openstack.org/111580 | 06:46 |
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| yalie | hi salv-orlando , how do you think about the lastest port-sec spec? could you help to review when you have time ? | 06:48 |
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| ZZelle__ | salv-orlando, thanks | 08:15 |
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| jschwarz_ | ZZelle__, happy to see that the root patch has stabilized :) | 08:29 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz_, the change passes CI, will it pass review? | 08:33 |
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| jschwarz_ | ZZelle__, time will tell :> | 08:34 |
| jschwarz_ | ZZelle__, I'll do my best to review it either today or tomorrow | 08:34 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz_, it hopes its parent change is merged soon as 6 changes depend on it :s | 08:35 |
| ZZelle__ | s/it hopes/i hope/ | 08:35 |
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| trinaths | irenab: Hi | 08:45 |
| apuimedo | akamyshnikova: I was looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138709/9/neutron/agent/l3_agent.py and the other files of the patch, shouldn't you drop the %s when substituting LOG.error with LOG.exception | 08:46 |
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| irenab | trinaths:hi, how are you? | 08:48 |
| akamyshnikova | apuimedo, this is link for 9th patch set. there is no %s now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138709/17/neutron/agent/l3/agent.py in the 17th | 08:48 |
| apuimedo | ah, ok | 08:49 |
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| apuimedo | akamyshnikova: for some reason when I pressed above to the link made by the bot I got that version :O | 08:49 |
| trinaths | irenab: I'm fine.. How are you? :) | 08:49 |
| irenab | I am fine, thanks | 08:49 |
| apuimedo | sorry for the noise | 08:50 |
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| akamyshnikova | apuimedo, np :) | 08:50 |
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| trinaths | irenab: Is there any Ml2 MD split from neutron ML2 is progress, Any update on this on how to proceed. | 08:51 |
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| irenab | trinaths: I hoped to discuss it during ML2 meeting tomorrow and understand how to proceed. | 08:53 |
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| trinaths | irenab: okay. I have seen the meeting log on Dec-3rd | 08:55 |
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| trinaths | irenab: ut there no conclusion or a decision taken. Some thing might happend on this in the mid-cycle. | 08:56 |
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| irenab | trinaths: I think both ml2 subteam leaders attended middle cycle sprint last week. I hope ttey will provide clear direction | 08:57 |
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| trinaths | irenab: okay. Good to know. :) | 08:57 |
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| trinaths | irenab: if a split is necessary how will that happen, any idea. Do we need to propose the code again with new code re-organization. | 08:58 |
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| irenab | trinaths: I think we will have to. There is some discussion already on mailing list | 09:01 |
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| irenab | trinaths: you are already on this thread. Let's see what will be suggested | 09:02 |
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| trinaths | irenab: okay. | 09:06 |
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| trinaths | irenab: thank you. | 09:06 |
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| ijw | amuller: I responded on the spec, btw | 09:33 |
| amuller | ijw: Thanks I'll get back to it today hopefully | 09:34 |
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| teju | hi all...can anyone help me with https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/56421/how-to-assign-floating-ip/ ? | 09:42 |
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| pask81 | hello, anyone here? | 10:36 |
| pask81 | is there a specific reason for which a fixed_ips is bound to a port on a subnet where dhcp is disabled? it is confusing to have this info shown when the instance doesn't have actually an ip on that port. | 10:37 |
| pask81 | Should I fill a bug report, or is this a wanted behavior? | 10:37 |
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| ijw | Are there specs about for the REST/API split? | 11:00 |
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| salv-orlando | ijw: I thought you moved to the bay area? | 11:47 |
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| ijw | (baby) | 11:47 |
| ijw | In Europe till after Christmas, now | 11:47 |
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| ijw | salv-orlando: just looking at your plugin API stuff | 11:49 |
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| ijw | Is there anything else that covers the REST/API split, cos I think that's somewhat related? | 11:49 |
| ijw | Sorry, RPC/API even | 11:50 |
| ijw | Not least because it implies that the DB would be in the API side and most of the plugin's work would be on the RPC side | 11:50 |
| salv-orlando | ijw: I have two specs - one for switching the REST layer to pecan and get rid of the current WSGI stuff, and the other one is the one you're reading. The other spec also includes separation of RPC and REST servers | 11:50 |
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| salv-orlando | but they will both have access to the database (still) | 11:50 |
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| ijw | Which one is the 'other' one, the pecan one? | 11:51 |
| salv-orlando | yes the pecan one | 11:51 |
| ijw | salv-orlando: that kinda sucks, cos it makes upgrades an arse (which is why nova has a conductor | 11:51 |
| ijw | salv-orlando: I was wondering if the REST one would be able to write the DB and then pass changes to the RPC one, which would use the REST API to get any more information from the DB that it needed | 11:51 |
| salv-orlando | ijw: it could if we kind of changed everything. mostly because the plugin will still be responsible for writing to the DB. | 11:52 |
| salv-orlando | but since the specs are not yet approved, nothing is committed yet | 11:52 |
| salv-orlando | we can still revise everything and take another release cycle to do things in a different way | 11:53 |
| salv-orlando | can't we? | 11:53 |
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| salv-orlando | We considered an architecture with a conductor, but at the end of the day it did not really suit neutron's needs, since we don't have a lot of db-intensive agents as nova does. But I agree that in theory | 11:55 |
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| ijw | I guess it's a bit easier in Neutron because you only have two services rather than an unlimited number, but I still prefer the no-db-read option. Problem is that changes the way Neutron thinks about the DB, as it becomes related to the API and part of core, as opposed to part of the plugin. (For what it's worth I think that's a healthy change but it's certainly a different perspective to what we have now.) | 11:58 |
| ijw | More accurately, *most* of the tables are part of core, but there's a few things that are plugin-side like the segmentation IDs and stuff | 11:58 |
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| itzikb | irenab: ping | 12:25 |
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| itzikb | irenab: When using driver with SR-IOV and Launching an instance with Openvswitch interface I don't get an IP. This happens just after the driver is loaded i.e. When No instance is launched with SR-IOV interface | 12:30 |
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| garyk | ihrachyshka: you have a sec? | 12:31 |
| itzikb | irenab: When Lauching an Instance with SR-IOV interface on the same PF the first VM ( with OVS interface) can now get an IP | 12:31 |
| ihrachyshka | garyk: for you, any time sir! | 12:32 |
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| garyk | ihrachyshka: i have a silly question regardingt he git history - we would like if for the plugin decomposition. any idea how i do this? | 12:33 |
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| garyk | when i create a stageforge project i need to post a link for the git repo - i was assuming that neutron.git would suffice, but seems like this is not the case and i need to do git filter branch? | 12:33 |
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| garyk | stageforge => stackforge | 12:34 |
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| ihrachyshka | garyk: there are some split tools available from infra to cut out the needed history only. or you can just use 'git subtree' (I guess) | 12:36 |
| ihrachyshka | well, you could also start from neutron.git and then clear it up of remainings, though that will mean that you will carry all history for the whole neutron with your plugin (=long initial cloning, huge .git) | 12:37 |
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| ihrachyshka | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet-modules.html | 12:38 |
| HenryG | garyk: Did you look at dougwig's script? https://github.com/dougwig/split-repo/blob/master/service-split.sh | 12:39 |
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| garyk | ihrachyshka: thanks! | 12:44 |
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| ihrachyshka | garyk: HenryG: I would suggest not to grab incubator as in the script, at least not as part of the split | 12:45 |
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| HenryG | ihrachyshka: I have not got that far yet. What does it do? | 12:47 |
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| ihrachyshka | HenryG: well, it copies all incubator code to split repo (though it does not change imports; most modules are not used at all; and probably we'll end up with no modules in split repos, though the latter still seems to be under discussion). | 12:51 |
| HenryG | ihrachyshka: thanks. Where is this discussion taking place? | 12:52 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: ping | 12:53 |
| ihrachyshka | HenryG: '[all][oslo][neutron] Managing oslo-incubator modules after project split' | 12:53 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: hello | 12:54 |
| HenryG | ihrachyshka: thanks! | 12:54 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: just wondering if you have any idea why the grenade job is failing? | 12:56 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: I do | 12:56 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: sec | 12:56 |
| ihrachyshka | HenryG: again? | 12:56 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: it's not related to neutron, all grenade jobs are failing | 12:56 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139880/3/global-requirements.txt | 12:56 |
| ihrachyshka | NIMBY | 12:57 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: IIUC current requirements are not compatible with Juno and swift fails to start because of this | 12:57 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: I was looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141927/1 whether it can help | 12:57 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: what I don't understand is what we're trying to achieve. Seems like patch I sent in last link is just a revert of the first patch, but little bit uglier. :) | 12:58 |
| HenryG | My brain hurts | 12:59 |
| jlibosva | ah, there is a new one! | 12:59 |
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| HenryG | a new what? | 13:05 |
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| jlibosva | HenryG: new patchset. I saw only the first one that was failing on a gate | 13:12 |
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| amuller | Nakato: Hello Sachi | 13:23 |
| Nakato | amuller: Sup? | 13:24 |
| amuller | Nakato: About your patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139932/5 | 13:24 |
| amuller | I think it's important, I want to speed it along | 13:24 |
| amuller | One thing is bothering me - I think it's weird to hold vips in a list, so you can add the same vip multiple times, but then the getter converts it to a set | 13:25 |
| amuller | You pointed that out in the patch some where - We should hold the data in a set | 13:25 |
| amuller | or | 13:25 |
| amuller | hold it in a list, but raise an error if the vip is already in the list | 13:25 |
| amuller | which is what I'm in favor of | 13:25 |
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| amuller | What do you think about raising an error? | 13:26 |
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| Nakato | I agree raising an error if a duplicate hits add_vip could be good. But I'm also concerned that it may be unecessary and result in needless checking. | 13:27 |
| Nakato | The reason I'm returning a list is to be compatable with the existing function that gets the configured IPs from the interface. | 13:28 |
| Madkiss | hey there | 13:28 |
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| amuller | Nakato: you mean returning a set? | 13:29 |
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| Madkiss | if I have, for instance, have an application that tries to open /v2.0/ipams.json, then where would that "ipams.json" be defined to make stuff work? | 13:29 |
| Nakato | amuller: Sorry, yes | 13:30 |
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| amuller | Nakato: I have no problem with returning a set, as long as we either save the data in a set, or in a list but check for duplicates when we add | 13:30 |
| amuller | I don't want to miss additional similar bugs | 13:30 |
| amuller | in the future | 13:30 |
| amuller | but saving it in a list and converting it to a set in the getter is weird | 13:30 |
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| Nakato | amuller: Sounds good. | 13:31 |
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| amuller | Nakato: Let's try 1 or 2 quick iterations so I can +1 | 13:31 |
| amuller | then I'll pester some cores and we'll get it merged, I'll backport it | 13:31 |
| amuller | Nakato: thanks | 13:32 |
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| Nakato | amuller_meeting: Could you pop it in a message into gerrit. (It's 12:30 AM here and I'm not really that sober) I'll get on it first thing in the morning | 13:32 |
| Nakato | Thanks for getting back to me | 13:32 |
| amuller_meeting | will do | 13:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: WIP: Default security group table https://review.openstack.org/142101 | 13:33 |
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| moshele | garyk: can you review again https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140330/? thanks in advance | 14:02 |
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| irenab | salv-orlando: hi | 14:03 |
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| irenab | HenryG_: hi | 14:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Update rpc_api docs with example version update https://review.openstack.org/140510 | 14:38 |
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| ihrachyshka | numan: hey. re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1402407 are you actively looking into it? | 14:48 |
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| numan | ihrachyshka, Hi | 14:54 |
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| salv-orlando | marun: are you satisfied with rossella_s answers to you comment re reliable state sync on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137808? (asking as I'm considering approving) | 14:56 |
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| baoli | mestery: ping | 14:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-neutronclient: subnet: allow --enable-dhcp=False/True syntax, again https://review.openstack.org/141063 | 14:59 |
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| emagana | arrggghhh again my calendar is wrong about the meeting | 15:00 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: ^^ woot, merged, now waiting for client release :) | 15:00 |
| emagana | mestery: Sorry for not attending the meeting, I wam awake now | 15:01 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: Yay! I'll roll that release once my 1:1 with ttx is done | 15:01 |
| mestery | baoli: pong | 15:01 |
| vt102 | How do I understand which tap interface a running VM is associated with? For example, how do I get from process "qeum-kvm...-netdev tap,fd=28,id=hostnet0,vhost=on,vhostfd=29" to the actual interface of tap98b25053-25? | 15:01 |
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| mestery | emagana: No worries, I linked your doc updates, thanks for updating the wiki! | 15:01 |
| emagana | mestery: but it seems that the outlook calendar in the wiki for all meetings is wrong | 15:01 |
| vt102 | I can find the process by uuid, I just don't understand how the correct tap interface is associated with it. | 15:01 |
| emagana | mestery: it shows 7:00am PST for today | 15:02 |
| mestery | Yikes, that's not right | 15:02 |
| emagana | mestery: and here I am!! :-( | 15:02 |
| diegows | is there a way to test neutron notifications to nova without launching a new instance ? :P | 15:02 |
| * mestery goes to 1:1 and will be back in 10 | 15:02 | |
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| baoli | mestery: thanks for looking at the ipv6 router and dvr spec. So basically you want it to be divided into two: ipv6 router, ipv6 dvr, and focus on the first one for kilo, right? | 15:03 |
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| britthou_ | vt102: the 98b25053-25 is a snippet of the UUID of the neutron port associated with the VM. | 15:06 |
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| baoli | mestery: if that's the case, I can change the title, and take the material for the first part out of this existing spec, and be more specific on what need to be done. Would that be acceptable? | 15:09 |
| vt102 | britthou_: Ah, that helps a little. But I don't see the running process knows to use that tap interface? I may not be clear, I'm new to Linux networking. Since 98b25053-25 doesn't appear in the process arguments, how does the qeum-kvm process know to use that interface? | 15:09 |
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| britthou_ | vt102: good question to which I don't know the answer. I've always approached it from the other direction when troubleshooting. | 15:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-specs: Allow router external IPs to be set https://review.openstack.org/140890 | 15:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-specs: New iptables firewall driver https://review.openstack.org/138107 | 15:17 |
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| mestery | baoli: That sounds good, please proceed with that plan. Lets do centralized router for Kilo as armax and HenryG indicate | 15:23 |
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| baoli | mestery: sure. thanks. | 15:24 |
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| mestery | baoli: Tahnks! | 15:26 |
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| britthou_ | vt102: I think its must be defined in the xml used to define the instance, but really I think this is a question for Nova. | 15:30 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053094.html | 15:33 |
| ihrachyshka | wow, that was quick :) | 15:33 |
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| bharath | Hi, does anyone worked with ncclient? | 15:34 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: It's like magic ;) | 15:34 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138201/ <- can you look at markmcclain's comment | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Yes, I will take a look | 15:36 |
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| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, salv-orlando, hi | 15:37 |
| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, salv-orlando, i did a PoC on https://review.openstack.org/138201 with xtables | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: The spec talks about the RHEL case. It acknowledges that RHEL and SUSE may not have the package in the standard repos. That’s why is the main motifvation behind making it optional. | 15:38 |
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| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, salv-orlando, it's working on precise but not on trusty ... i lost the whole day to find this | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: markmcclain: Is the concern that we shouldn’t do it at all if it isn’t supported with the standard packages on RHEL/SUSE? | 15:40 |
| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, salv-orlando, http://sourceforge.net/p/xtables-addons/xtables-addons/ci/9414a5df343bf30ba13e76dbd7181c55683b11cb | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle: Do you know why? Was it just not working? | 15:41 |
| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, raw nat has been removed between xtables 2.3 and 2.4 ... and trusty kernels (>=3.13) only support 2.4+ | 15:41 |
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| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, according to the commit there is no maintainer for RAWSNAT/RAWDNAT | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle: I did not see that coming? Is there something fundamentally wrong with it that we didn’t see before? | 15:42 |
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| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, (me neither as it works fine on precise) | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle: :’( | 15:43 |
| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, with xtables 2.3 and kernel 3.13, iptables -t rawpost implies a kernel panic + no maintainer ==> feature drop? | 15:43 |
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| britthou_ | vt102: Yeah its in the XML. Check out http://bit.ly/1tUZocH#sthash.Gjk8kYAU.dpuf | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | mestery: you might be interested in the release notes generation script we have for oslo: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/tools/release_notes.sh | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle: salv-orlando: Unfortunately, I’ve got to run now to an eye doctor appointment. We can discuss later. Is there any hope with the tc method? | 15:45 |
| mestery | dhellmann: Fantastic, I'll take a look, thanks! | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | mestery: we should talk to ttx about getting a version into the release-tools repo, too | 15:45 |
| mestery | dhellmann: ++ | 15:46 |
| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, i also tested tc, it works with trusty but it's more difficult to understand than xtables + iptables | 15:46 |
| bharath | Does anyone know how to connect to netconf using "ip netns.." using ncclient ? | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle: I was worried about that. Let’s sync up a bit later. | 15:47 |
| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, i just need to check tc inside namespace | 15:47 |
| ZZelle | carl_baldwin, oki | 15:47 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I am around | 15:48 |
| salv-orlando | now and later | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle: salv-orlando: I should be back on in 2 hours or sooner. | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | jlibosva: are the cern people showing up to your meetings? | 15:50 |
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| jlibosva | anteaya: afaik we had only one so far and they attended | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | great, when is the next one scheduled? | 15:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Numan Siddique proposed openstack/neutron: Support 'alive' filter for get_agents() in agents_db https://review.openstack.org/140833 | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | jlibosva: ^ | 15:54 |
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| jlibosva | anteaya: I don't think there is a next one. We don't have regular meetings. | 15:54 |
| anteaya | hmmmm | 15:55 |
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| anteaya | well they need to be involved in testing nova to neutron migrations | 15:55 |
| anteaya | so who is doing the nova to neutron migrations work? | 15:55 |
| anteaya | I don't want them to disappear | 15:56 |
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| anteaya | I want them to be helping us test the migration | 15:56 |
| anteaya | which is important to them as well | 15:56 |
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| anteaya | obondarev: are you working on the nova to neutron migration? | 15:59 |
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| obondarev | anteaya: Hi. I do | 16:00 |
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| anteaya | great | 16:00 |
| anteaya | so there are two cern developers | 16:00 |
| anteaya | who need to be involved in the discussion | 16:00 |
| anteaya | and are willing to help test the migration path | 16:00 |
| anteaya | as whatever is selected needs to be able to work for cern | 16:00 |
| obondarev | anteaya: that's good news | 16:00 |
| anteaya | I thought so too | 16:00 |
| anteaya | and they have attended one of jlibosva's meetings | 16:01 |
| obondarev | anteaya: actually I was aware of that | 16:01 |
| anteaya | so they will show up | 16:01 |
| anteaya | great | 16:01 |
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| anteaya | but I don't want to lose them | 16:01 |
| obondarev | anteaya: yeah, Jacub told me | 16:01 |
| anteaya | if we have no movement here | 16:01 |
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| anteaya | good, I'm glad | 16:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Just a test https://review.openstack.org/126470 | 16:01 |
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| anteaya | I was hoping they might be active in channel | 16:01 |
| anteaya | but if they are, I can't see it | 16:01 |
| anteaya | so | 16:02 |
| anteaya | what should we do so we keep that connection alive? | 16:02 |
| obondarev | anteaya: well, before testing we need to have something to test | 16:03 |
| anteaya | maybe they might have some thoughts? | 16:04 |
| anteaya | have you a patchset up for a spec | 16:04 |
| anteaya | or an etherpad? | 16:04 |
| obondarev | anteaya: I'm hoping to post the first (neutron) spec on review soon | 16:04 |
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| anteaya | great | 16:04 |
| anteaya | do you have their email addresses? | 16:04 |
| obondarev | anteaya: so can have discussion there | 16:04 |
| anteaya | perhaps they can review the spec? | 16:04 |
| anteaya | right, but since they are not active in channel that I can see | 16:05 |
| anteaya | they might not know about it | 16:05 |
| obondarev | anteaya: I think I have, we were discussing the migration a couple of weeks ago | 16:05 |
| anteaya | unless someone tells them | 16:05 |
| anteaya | great | 16:05 |
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| obondarev | anteaya: thanks for your interest | 16:06 |
| anteaya | I don't want to lose what these folks have offered | 16:06 |
| obondarev | anteaya: agree | 16:07 |
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| ZZelle | obondarev, hi | 16:18 |
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| dkehn | HenryG_: we talked about this in mid-cycle sprint https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-dhcp-org | 16:28 |
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| HenryG_ | dkehn: Thanks, that looks quite thorough | 16:33 |
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| dkehn | HenryG_: we try | 16:40 |
| thomasem | hey all | 16:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: Backward compatibility for advanced services https://review.openstack.org/142150 | 16:41 |
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| jlibosva | mestery: dougwig ^^ | 16:41 |
| thomasem | I just started up a spec regarding sharing additional IPs and was wondering, since the Kilo proposal deadline is up, where should I put this spec for review/iteration? | 16:42 |
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| thomasem | I'd like to get it in front of folks eyes soon, before holidays hit, for feedback. | 16:43 |
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| ZZelle | HenryG_, hi | 16:47 |
| ZZelle | HenryG_, do you know if there is a core is following functional tests with marun? | 16:48 |
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| ZZelle | HenryG_, do you know if there is a core following functional tests with marun? | 16:48 |
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| HenryG_ | ZZelle: I am. | 16:49 |
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| ZZelle | HenryG_, so let me add you as reviewer :) | 16:49 |
| HenryG_ | ZZelle: sure | 16:49 |
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| ZZelle | HenryG_, done (https://review.openstack.org/136511) | 16:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: Backward compatibility for advanced services https://review.openstack.org/142150 | 16:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed openstack/neutron: Advanced services support in neutron-db-manage https://review.openstack.org/140537 | 17:02 |
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| olc | hi - i have created the external network described in the juno install guide, it works as expected. Then I have deployed a second network node, configured corosync to manage l3/dhcp/metada agents. | 17:14 |
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| olc | But then shutting down the first network node provents the VMs and network endpoints to work. | 17:15 |
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| ZZelle | olc, you could enable l3_ha for such case | 17:19 |
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| ZZelle | olc, ie: by design dhcp is HA (if you set i_don-t_remember_the_option option to a value >1 (in practice == 2)) | 17:20 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: ping | 17:20 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: pong | 17:20 |
| ZZelle | olc, l3_ha = true enables HA for l3agent (+metadata?) | 17:20 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: does the gate always run with the master build of the neutron client? | 17:21 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: or does it just run with the latest released one? | 17:21 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: That's a good question, I'm not 100% sure, I'd have to look at if it's pulling it from pypi or from source. | 17:21 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: salv-orlando may know | 17:21 |
| mestery | Or even mtreinish ^^^ | 17:22 |
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| kevinbenton | k | 17:22 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: Is there an issue you're seeing post my 2.3.10 client release? | 17:23 |
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| olc | ZZelle: tks for the pointer, i didn't see anything related to that in the openstack HA guide but I'll look around | 17:23 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: no, i'm going to propose a somewhat invasive change and it would be good for it to get lots of use in the gate and devstack deployments before release | 17:24 |
| ZZelle | olc, let me check | 17:24 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Ack, makes sense | 17:24 |
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| olc | http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/ch-network.html <-- this is what I followed | 17:24 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: going to try to switch the openstack common client code that the other clients use | 17:24 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: so we can reach parity with them on some of the features like pluggable authentication | 17:25 |
| ZZelle | olc, every option is described a little in neutron.conf sample | 17:25 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Huge win, thanks! | 17:26 |
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| HenryG_ | mestery: what is the current policy on reviews for bug fixes to vendor drivers? | 17:28 |
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| mestery | HenryG_: It's tricky. Small bug fixes are ok I believe, per armax's document | 17:29 |
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| HenryG_ | mestery: thanks. | 17:30 |
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| dougwig | HenryG_: burn them in a fiery pit of hell and damnation! dirty vendors. | 17:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-specs: OVS agent: Use python binding instead of ovs-ofctl command https://review.openstack.org/138980 | 17:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vivekanandan Narasimhan proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Retrieve list of ports using input security-groups https://review.openstack.org/138695 | 17:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: ZZelle: Back from the optometrist. Should we continue the stateless NAT discussion? | 17:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron: Removed spurious check for ip version https://review.openstack.org/142168 | 17:47 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: what is this stateless nat you speak of? | 17:48 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: sounds like witchcraft to me | 17:48 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138201/ | 17:49 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I thought you had touched that review too but I guess not. | 17:50 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: oh, this one... | 17:50 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: floating IPs are much less exciting than the prospect of stateless PAT | 17:51 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: which is what I thought you were referring to :) | 17:51 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: i didn't review this spec but we chatted about it at the summit and i think i commented on the patch with code | 17:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I haven’t given stateless PAT much thought. | 17:52 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: well i don't think it's possible so don't spend too much time thinking about it | 17:52 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I don’t intend to give it much thought. | 17:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | sc68cal: haleyb: ping | 17:56 |
| sc68cal | carl_baldwin: pong | 17:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’m back and ready to chat about the subnet allocation question. | 17:57 |
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| sc68cal | carl_baldwin: google hangout for higher bandwidth? | 17:57 |
| carl_baldwin | Let me dig my headset out of my bag. | 17:57 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: pong | 17:57 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin, ZZelle: the major points about stateless NAT are the crashes on trusty - and mostly what ZZelle about the feature not being maintained anymore | 17:58 |
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| salv-orlando | marun: this resync thing on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137808/ - are you unhappy because it does not address the underlying problem, or is your concern that it makes it worse? | 18:00 |
| marun | salv-orlando: I think it has the potential to make it worse, and I'm unhappy that we as a project are purusing performance rather than reliability. | 18:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed openstack/neutron: Implements the ProcessMonitor in the l3_agent https://review.openstack.org/114931 | 18:01 |
| marun | salv-orlando: but I can hardly claim to the arbiter of good taste, if the community doesn't share my views then I haven't done a good job of communicating my concerns. | 18:01 |
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| salv-orlando | marun: I might have not read all the comments on the various patch sets - did you state why you'd think it could make it worse? | 18:06 |
| salv-orlando | because there could be some ports whose state would never be synchronized at all? | 18:07 |
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| marun | salv-orlando: the conversation was on the previous patchset. as per one of rossella_s's comment, decreasing the frequency of full resyncs has the potential to slow down the rate of convergence if notifications are missed. | 18:08 |
| marun | salv-orlando: but it's admittedly pretty accidental that this results in convergence at all. | 18:09 |
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| marun | salv-orlando: it requires errors in communication to occur around missed notifications such that full resyncs are triggered. | 18:09 |
| marun | salv-orlando: I was thinking that the spec should consider adding a periodic job that did full resyncs on a tunable interval. | 18:10 |
| marun | salv-orlando: but everyone seems to think that it's simply not in scope. | 18:10 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I’m not sure how to resolve that and still use RAWSNAT/RAWDNAT. | 18:11 |
| marun | salv-orlando: I'm considering adding that as a bug instead. | 18:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: ZZelle: I commented on the review. I think the tc based implementation may be the only hope left. | 18:13 |
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| salv-orlando | marun: If you have cycles for doing that I won't surely bug you requiring a spec | 18:14 |
| marun | salv-orlando: ok | 18:14 |
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| mestery | marun salv-orlando: ++ | 18:15 |
| mestery | marun: Thanks for sharing your thoughts here too on this. | 18:15 |
| rossella_s | marun: if I will have spare cycles I am happy to help fixing that problem | 18:15 |
| rossella_s | salv-orlando, marun thanks! | 18:16 |
| marun | rossella_s: thanks! | 18:16 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: it seems reasonable for me to delay a blueprint for which our only hope is something that you know little about (and I know nothing about) | 18:16 |
| mtreinish | kevinbenton: it will pull the latest release on pypi, unless it's a change to neutronclient | 18:16 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: what do you reckon? | 18:16 |
| kevinbenton | mtreinish: thanks. is that the same for devstack users? | 18:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Since ZZelle will own the blueprint, I would like to hear from him. He did report some experience with the tc implementation. | 18:17 |
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| mtreinish | kevinbenton: yes that's the devstack default now to install the libs from the package, but you can override it | 18:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I am bummed about that xtables-addons thing. It just didn’t cross my mind that it might have been abandoned recentely. | 18:19 |
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| kevinbenton | mtreinish: is that a flag in local.conf? | 18:20 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I did not know that either | 18:22 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I am sure we can wait for ZZelle to chime in | 18:24 |
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| salv-orlando | there are tents of specs still waiting for a review | 18:24 |
| mtreinish | kevinbenton: yes there is a LIBS_FROM_GIT env variable which you set in the localrc (or the localrc section of the local.conf) | 18:24 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Thanks. I think ZZelle will appreciate the opportunity to chime in. | 18:24 |
| kevinbenton | mtreinish: thanks for the pointers | 18:25 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: there's a small snippet here about the env variable - http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2014-11/msg00806.html I just got bit by a keystone isue and needed to use it | 18:28 |
| haleyb | openstack, keystone and glance clients all seem to have issues | 18:30 |
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| ganso | Hi guys! I am testing VLAN segmentation IDs using provider networks. Unless I am doing something wrong, I created a physnet2:2000:2500, it allows me to create a network using VLAN ID 3200, and physical computer in the provider network with VLAN ID 3200 is able to reach my VM inside openstack, is this correct? | 18:36 |
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| lcurtis | Hello all...wondering if anyone has recommendations or experiences using gre, vlan, vxlan | 18:40 |
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| reed | hello vinay_yadhav! welcome | 18:48 |
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| anteaya | mestery: as an fyi, I -2'd this nre repo creation: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140409/ | 18:56 |
| anteaya | mestery: you work with garyk or dougwig can | 18:56 |
| mestery | anteaya: I just saw that. I've synced with garyk already on that, I'll know more tomorrow. | 18:56 |
| anteaya | I do _not_ want to repeat what we had to do with services repo split | 18:56 |
| mestery | anteaya: For htis one, it's me and armax, but dougwig can certainly help too ;) | 18:56 |
| anteaya | mestery: you tell me when I can remove the -2 | 18:57 |
| mestery | anteaya: Will do! | 18:57 |
| anteaya | mestery: great | 18:57 |
| anteaya | thank you for understanding | 18:57 |
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| mestery | lol | 19:00 |
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| alextricity | I spun up an instance and route_info failed. All I see in my logs is http://pastebin.com/65qwGP8a. Does anyone know what might be going on? | 19:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-specs: Neutron OVS agent on Windows https://review.openstack.org/136936 | 19:34 |
| alextricity | the vxlan portion of my build is failing..but I have no idea how to trouble shoot. Monitoring traffic across my different networking bridges suggest the VM's DHCP request isn't reaching the DHCP namespace | 19:34 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, salv-orlando, ping | 19:48 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: hi | 19:49 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, so nat with tc is working but it implies to define a TcManager (like IptablesManager) ... perhaps we need to add NO-TRACK rule in raw table | 19:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: Both sound like implementation details to me. | 19:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | I guess the question is whether we understand the approach enough to say it is viable. | 19:53 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, at the moment it's working but i don't really understand what is the meaning of some attributes | 19:54 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, i am also able to query tc in order to check if an ingress/egress nat rule already exists but tc output is not really easy to parse | 19:56 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, http://paste.openstack.org/show/151990, at the moment i don't understand "u32" meaning | 19:57 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, and tc rule must defined after the interface on which the rule applies | 19:58 |
| ZZelle_ | is defined | 19:58 |
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| salv-orlando | ZZelle_, carl_baldwin: the only way this could go into kilo in my opinion is if statelss NAT is experimental & optional. | 20:01 |
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| ZZelle_ | salv-orlando, +1 | 20:02 |
| salv-orlando | We really know still too little about tc. I don't want to sound a wuss but I don't feel like we can possibly make a statement on whether a solution is good or not if the tool on which this solution is based is pretty much unknown to us | 20:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: understood and I agree. | 20:04 |
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| lcurtis | what type of networking would i use to mix openstack vm's and physical vm's on same layer 2 network | 20:13 |
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| lcurtis | wait | 20:13 |
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| lcurtis | meant physical devices | 20:13 |
| lcurtis | could i do that with gre? | 20:13 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, salv-orlando, does it mean such proof of concept/solution should live out of neutron tree? | 20:16 |
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| salv-orlando | ZZelle_: debating it | 20:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: salv-orlando: After L3 restructuring is done, it will be much easier for such a thing to live out of the tree or as a long-lived WIP patch. But, that would still mean that one would need to download and install it out of band to try the feature. | 20:32 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, we can both use functional testing and the change can enable by default stateless nat (until a potential merge) | 20:36 |
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| anil_rao | ijw: If you ijw_ubuntu who posted some comments on our Tap-aaS spec, we have some questions. | 20:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Add developer documentation for plugins/drivers contributions https://review.openstack.org/141171 | 20:37 |
| ijw | yup, s'me | 20:37 |
| anil_rao | ijw: Thanks. We are not sure what you mean by creating a network to which one mirrors the traffic and then have a monitoring VM read from there. | 20:38 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: You are suggesting using a WIP patch? | 20:38 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, https://review.openstack.org/136511 provides everything in order to add nat functional tests | 20:38 |
| ijw | anil_rao: So, the method you proposed for getting traffic into a VM, as I understand it, is that you ask the TaaS to create a port on a network, then you bind the listening VM to the port. | 20:39 |
| ijw | The port you create, unlike every other port in the world, doesn't transmit the traffic from the network it's attached to; instead it forwards the mirrored traffic. | 20:39 |
| ijw | This is really weird. | 20:39 |
| ijw | What you could do instead is tell TaaS to attach to a network. | 20:39 |
| ijw | TaaS outputs mirrored traffic onto the network | 20:39 |
| ijw | Anyone attached to the network receives the mirrored traffic. | 20:40 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I will have a look. Looks like it came a long way since the last time I peaked at it. | 20:40 |
| ijw | This is much more in keeping with the way Neutron thinks about networks and ports, but you need the port-security BP to get in for it to work for you | 20:40 |
| anil_rao | ijw: Our goal is to capture packets from the VMs being monitored without any modifications to them. We are not sure how such packets will get to the | 20:41 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, it seems tc nat will reuses quite nothing from neutron so will be loosely coupled (am i too optimistic?) | 20:41 |
| anil_rao | ijw: to monitoring VMs using your approach since the dest MAC addresses in them may not match that of the monitoring VM. | 20:41 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I think you’re right. Did you get any more insight on tc inside namespace? | 20:42 |
| anil_rao | in out approach we are using specific flows to ensure that the Tap-aaS destination port is given the packets from the source ports attached to that Tap-aaS instance. | 20:42 |
| ijw | anil_rao: which is why you need the port-security BP that turns off antispoof, but that's still the right way to do it | 20:42 |
| ijw | The VM itself will be in promiscuous mode, and without any filters on its port it will receive the packets just fine | 20:43 |
| anil_rao | Simply turning off anti-spoofing won't do because the underlying L2 based transmission layer may not forward the packets to the compute node on which the monitoring VM is residing (that mechanism is purely based on MAC address based forwarding. | 20:44 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, it's working, i just need to check namespace isolation with tc | 20:44 |
| anil_rao | I am refering to the L2 based learning logic implemented inside br-tun for forwarding traffic between nodes using tunnels. | 20:44 |
| anil_rao | It will only forward to the node where the destination MAC address port resides. At least in its current form. | 20:45 |
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| ijw | No, it will forward to where the destination MAC if it ever works out where the destination MAC is unambiguously. In your case it will flood. | 20:46 |
| ijw | Because there will be no ARP traffic for the destination MAC on the VLAN that you're using for the snooped traffic. | 20:46 |
| vinay_yadhav | ijw: is it a good idea to flood mirrored traffic | 20:47 |
| ijw | vinay_yadhav: You're flooding it on a network with one listener. | 20:47 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: hi | 20:48 |
| ijw | The difference is that you *could*, if you wanted, have multiple listeners (which would all be snoopers) and you are not violating all of the most basic assumptions about how ports work at the API level in order to implement your service | 20:48 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, it seems tc config is per namespace (OK!) | 20:48 |
| anil_rao | the br-tun logic ends up flooding on all outgoing tunnels, no? This could become very expensive if there are a large number of hosts in the network. | 20:48 |
| ijw | Um, no | 20:49 |
| anil_rao | At the API level our logic is very similar to port-mirroring, which is a well understood behavior. | 20:49 |
| ijw | You would have (presumably) multiple TAP services | 20:49 |
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| ijw | Actually, let's start this with a slightly different approach | 20:50 |
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| vinay_yadhav | ijw: yes, multiple TAP service is possible | 20:50 |
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| anil_rao | I believe our approach is more efficient because it is sending traffic to a single port from a bunch of source ports. We flood initially to find the destination port and after that there is no more flooding. | 20:51 |
| ijw | Firstly, I'm talking about the API level and you're talking about implementation. API should largely drive implementation. You have an implementation in mind that implies a sucky API, and that implies your implementation has to change | 20:51 |
| mestery | ijw: Please tell us what you really think, don't hold back. ;) | 20:51 |
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| ijw | mestery: you've got a funny nose and you smell of ripe brie | 20:51 |
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| mestery | ijw: Dually noted. I hope you didn't want any specs approved anytime soon. ;) | 20:52 |
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| ijw | mestery: you reject my specs anyway, ever since I told everyone about that thing with the hamster | 20:53 |
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| ijw | Which was just wrong and you know it | 20:53 |
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| anil_rao | We are essentially mirroring from a set of source ports to a destination port. I don't believe this is a "sucky | 20:54 |
| ijw | With the approach I'm suggesting, tou tap the port, then you need to move that traffic onto another network. I'm fairly sure that's feasible by mirroring a port on the br-int to a port you create for the TaaS and then using a veth to bridge it to the destination network. And that's just the first idea that comes to mind - it's a bit twisty but it'd do at a push. | 20:54 |
| anil_rao | API" as you refer to it. It may not be perfect but that can be improved with some help | 20:55 |
| ijw | anil_rao: I am trying to help, for all that it's late and I'm a bit grumpy... | 20:55 |
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| anil_rao | We appreciate your comments and advice, which is why we are in this conversation. ;) | 20:56 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I hope that ns isolation is complete. Great work on this. | 20:56 |
| ijw | The nice solution about that is you can be certain that you can turn the mirrored traffic around to another port on the *local* br-int and the listening port (attached to the network you've reflected it to) could be anywhere in the cloud and still get the traffic. | 20:56 |
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| anil_rao | to get from the source ports to the dest port you are refering to, we still need to do what we are proposing now, right? | 20:57 |
| mestery | anil_rao ijw: I'm still unclear why TapaaS needs to live in neutron and why it can't be implemented in stackforge ... because it appears like it can. What am I missing? | 20:57 |
| ijw | The only thing I think you have problems with is that you need to tap the port. | 20:57 |
| ijw | And to do that you need to tweak the L2, and if the L2 you want to tweak is the OVS driver then you have to do that within Neutron | 20:58 |
| anil_rao | We need flows to be added to OVS, kyle, which need to be coordinated with existing flows inserted there by Neutron. | 20:58 |
| mestery | anil_rao: But you're using a separate bridge, aren't you? | 20:58 |
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| mestery | Also, why are we tieing this to OVS? | 20:59 |
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| mestery | I think we're confusing the API with the implementation again. | 20:59 |
| anil_rao | Yes, we are but in addition we have some logic in br-int to direct traffic toward br-tap. Also, since we using the underlying br-tun tunnel mesh for inter-node forwarding, we have some flows in there for | 20:59 |
| ijw | mestery: OVS seems to be the implementation the designers want, and as usual the problem is that if you don't have an OVS implementation it's a little tricky to push the API | 20:59 |
| anil_rao | learning about the location of the destination port. This is to prevent perpetual flooding. | 20:59 |
| anil_rao | Our flows to br-tun are in separate tables but there is till some minimal interaction. | 21:00 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, i will also update the spec | 21:02 |
| ijw | I think your worries about forwarding to a network (providing, at least, you make certain it isn't the *same* network) are overblown. | 21:02 |
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| anil_rao | We are forwarding to a port to mimic (in a way) traditional port-mirroring, except that we are not restricted to ports on a single switch instance but ports on more of more virtual networks owned by a tenant. | 21:04 |
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| anil_rao | I don't see why this is considered to be odd or why we are corrupting the normal behavior of a port. | 21:04 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: Great, thanks! | 21:05 |
| anil_rao | Native port-mirroring support in OVS essentially does the same thing, i.e. mirrors from one or more source OVS ports to a destination OVS port. | 21:05 |
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| anil_rao | We are just doing this at the Neutron virtual network level. | 21:05 |
| ijw | You are, but the distinction is between OVS (which only has ports) and Neutron (which has ports and networks) | 21:07 |
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| anil_rao | That may be true, but we are still essentially mirroring from a set of source ports to a destination port. | 21:07 |
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| ijw | And either you find some way of creating a port that has no network association, or you mirror to a network, or your interface is weird. Not that it's my choice whether a weird interface gets into Neutron, but I wouldn't vote for it in the current state when there's an obvious alternative | 21:08 |
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| anil_rao | We are not sure how your implementation will work without needing perpetual flooding, because the destination mac address of the mirrored packets don't agree with the mac address of the monitoring VM. | 21:09 |
| ijw | It will need perpetual flooding. On a VLAN with two ports, one of which is the ingress port, so it's hard to see why that's bad. | 21:10 |
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| anil_rao | Can you kindly describe how this will work for OpenStack networks which are based on GRE or VXLAN tunnels (instead of VLANs). | 21:11 |
| jbrendel | Hello! I have a question about functional testing for neutron. I wrote a test, which needs to run a few commands as root ("ifconfig", "ip", etc.). Running the functional test manually works just fine. When I submit the patch for review, some Jenkins checks fail (for example check-neutron-dsvm-functional), telling me "Operation not permitted". How can I give specific commands like this the correct permissions, but just fo | 21:11 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: ping | 21:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: pong | 21:11 |
| mestery | marun: See jbrendel question above. | 21:12 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: L3 refactoring - observer... should I continue more refactoring? | 21:12 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: On a new patch? | 21:13 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: I was thinking we may want to settle on the event handlers, before committing, so that there won't be changes to VPN/FW | 21:13 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: on same. | 21:13 |
| ijw | In both cases, rather wasteful if you join the network when you have no hosts listening on it | 21:13 |
| pc_m | If we go with current methods, and then later change, it'll be awkward to change the services, no? | 21:14 |
| pc_m | (if method changes name) | 21:14 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Less than ideal, yes. | 21:14 |
| carl_baldwin | Is there still an alternate proposal in play? | 21:15 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: would have breakage, until service syncs up. | 21:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Haley proposed openstack/neutron: Add address family to 'ip rule' calls https://review.openstack.org/136947 | 21:15 |
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| pc_m | I can easily put the router added, as an if clause and use the same code for the add/update. I think we talked about it being OK to do all the actions after process_router() | 21:16 |
| anil_rao | How does it improve even if there is a monitoring VM that is listening? | 21:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Baodong (Robert) Li proposed openstack/neutron-specs: IPv6 router support https://review.openstack.org/142224 | 21:16 |
| carl_baldwin | I realize that we’ll be giving the current set some level of commitment with the current set. | 21:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Remove mlnx plugin https://review.openstack.org/140330 | 21:17 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I’m not sure what you’re saying about “router added” | 21:17 |
| ijw | anil_rao: I was more emphasising that it fits the logical model than that it's more efficient | 21:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Haley proposed openstack/neutron: Add address family to 'ip rule' calls https://review.openstack.org/136947 | 21:17 |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Right now, there is a before/after event around _process_router_added, and same around _process_updated_router | 21:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Baodong (Robert) Li proposed openstack/neutron-specs: IPv6 router support https://review.openstack.org/142224 | 21:19 |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Could just test for router ID not in router_info, and call _router_added() and then code is common for add and update. | 21:19 |
| anil_rao | In a large datacenter, where the hosts are connected using the mesh of GRE/VXLAN tunnels we have to be careful about flooding otherwise we'll severly degrade traffic. | 21:19 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Then, could have one event for add (where it is now in _router_added), and another after process_router(). Two instead of 4. | 21:21 |
| ijw | Agreed, but firstly that's an issue for any network that ARPs and secondly it can be solved by ensuring that only hosts that have VMs on a network participate in it, which even LB/VXLAN does, last I checked | 21:21 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I could go with that until there is a clear need for the extra notification. | 21:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Smith proposed openstack/neutron: This patch will be used to compare dvr vs full neturon runs https://review.openstack.org/141897 | 21:22 |
| matrohon | anil_rao, ijw : AFAIR it's done if you l2pop MD -> no full mesh of overlay network | 21:23 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: OK. Two more questions... | 21:23 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Should the event after add/update, be called after_processed_router? | 21:23 |
| anil_rao | the existing br-tun logic uses a learning system to avoid perpetual broadcasts. Our solution has a similar logic to find the destination port. We therefore also avoid perpetual broadcasts. | 21:23 |
| ijw | matrohon: in fact, not sure l2pop would help here | 21:24 |
| haleyb | jbrendel: regarding your function test question, see the file neutron/tests/functional/contrib/filters.template | 21:24 |
| ijw | matrohon: in the specific case we're talking about you can't know where you're sending the packet by l2 learning | 21:24 |
| ijw | (or by knowing the destination MAC) | 21:24 |
| matrohon | ijw : fine, I'll read the spec :) | 21:25 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Meaning after_router_added, after_router_updated would become after_processed_router | 21:25 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I think I’d call it after_router_updated | 21:25 |
| anil_rao | We have a slightly different leaning mechanism but which functions in a similar fashion. Initial broadcast, then based on a bounce reply from the destination side appropriate learning rules get applied on the source sides. | 21:25 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I just tend to think that the word process should be left out. | 21:25 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: OK. I was trying to name it so that it worked for add and update. | 21:26 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: np. | 21:26 |
| anil_rao | ijw: Thanks for your thoughts and comments and time. We appreciate it very much | 21:26 |
| ijw | Welcome, not that I think we agree quite yet | 21:26 |
| ijw | I'd love to see the TaaS in, it's really useful as a diagnostic tool; I just think it needs a little more refinement | 21:27 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Second, should we get rid of currently unused events: before_router_updated, before_router_removed? | 21:27 |
| vinay_yadhav | ijw: thanks for your inputs | 21:27 |
| anil_rao | We are not fully convinced yet but we'll evaluate your proposal and provide feedback in the spec. Thanks again. | 21:27 |
| ijw | No problem, and I can see you aren't convinced, but to an extent this takes a lot of the complexity out of your spec and puts it in the L2 layer, which really should meet your requirements of efficiency for general purpose traffic | 21:28 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I think I’d keep them in to maintain symmetry for now. I think metadata patch will use before removed at least. | 21:28 |
| ijw | Meaning you fix it up and you fix it in one place | 21:28 |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: OK for removed, but what about the before_router_updated? It doesn't really make sense. | 21:29 |
| jbrendel | haleyb: Thank you for that, I will take a look at that file. | 21:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I think I’d leave it in there. A firewall, for example, may want to do some setup before the router comes online. | 21:32 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: But where would that event be placed? Right now, it is right before process_router() call. | 21:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Do you suggest placing it someone other than where the two are currently placed (added/updated)? | 21:34 |
| pc_m | I was thinking of collapsing _process_added_router/_process_updated_router. | 21:35 |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: http://paste.openstack.org/show/152024/ | 21:39 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: So, _router_added() has the before_router_added event. | 21:40 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: after_router_updated would be called after add/update processing is done. | 21:41 |
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| pc_m | Do you think a before_router_updated is needed before the call to process_router()? | 21:42 |
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| matrohon | anil_rao : do you have a doc that details your implementation of Taas? | 21:44 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Or should we added it if/when we need it? | 21:45 |
| carl_baldwin | I would just start by changing before_router_added and before_router_updated. It will be in there twice to start but then you can fiddle around with it to see if you can get them combined. If not, no big deal. | 21:45 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: So leave before_router_updated, just before process_router() call? | 21:47 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: or... | 21:47 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: I could move after_router_added, up into the end of _router_added() and leave the before/after_router_updated, around the process_router() call. | 21:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Update the subnet allocation quota mechanism https://review.openstack.org/142231 | 21:48 |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Just realized... if we combine after_router_added and after_router_updated, then VPN would have to do the create_router call conditionally. | 21:53 |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Unless that could be done BEFORE process_router() | 21:53 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Are you switching sides? :) | 21:53 |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: no...yes...maybe...door 1, no 3 no 2, no 1... | 21:54 |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Maybe I have to let sleeping dogs lie. I was hoping to remove the duplication. | 21:55 |
| HenryG | marun: I forget, where is the localrc (or local.conf?) for the neutron functional job? | 21:56 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I think what we have is fine. I personally like to think it terms of add/update/delete | 21:56 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: OK. So, we just need to get this through review, so that VPN/FW can use the base class. | 21:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Right. Working on that. | 21:57 |
| pc_m | cool | 21:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Replace non-ovs_lib calls of run_vsctl with libary functions https://review.openstack.org/141433 | 22:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: Backward compatibility for advanced services https://review.openstack.org/142150 | 22:20 |
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| marun | HenryG: We're currently relying on the upstream defaults. | 22:32 |
| marun | HenryG: Which implies a localrc generated from the yaml job configuration. | 22:32 |
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| HenryG | marun: thanks. This one? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/devstack-vm-gate.sh | 22:39 |
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| marun | HenryG: that's it | 22:56 |
| marun | HenryG: although, I seem to recall a different mechanism that I tried to use to install only neutron and its dependencies | 22:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Allow IptablesManager to manage mangle table https://review.openstack.org/135203 | 23:15 |
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