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| HenryG | lifeless: still around? | 01:38 |
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| lifeless | aye | 01:38 |
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| HenryG | this time it fell over on grenade | 01:38 |
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| lifeless | 2015-05-13 01:21:01.644 | ERROR: openstackclient.shell Exception raised: (python-cinderclient 1.2.1 (/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages), Requirement.parse('python-cinderclient<1.2.0,>=1.1.0')) | 01:39 |
| lifeless | http://logs.openstack.org/38/182438/4/check/check-grenade-dsvm-neutron/0f785be/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2015-05-13_01_21_01_644 | 01:40 |
| lifeless | I think this is 'ask infra help' time | 01:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Fix fip agent gateway port delete when migrating a fip https://review.openstack.org/180408 | 03:58 |
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| dougwig | HenryG: i'm experimenting with this in the short-term, but i don't think infra is anywhere near consensus on the best course here. https://review.openstack.org/182530 i'm guessing it'll be a few days, and i'll take your advice to update the ML when we have a fix for the other repos to follow. hold off for now. | 04:03 |
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| smallbig | hi, is there a config file as /etc/neutron/plugins_conf.ini , my neutron service is asking this file to start service, does any one know about that? thanks! | 06:15 |
| smallbig | I installed neutron from github with branch stable/kilo, but I can't find plugins_conf.ini sample in the etc folder | 06:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: ARP spoofing patch: Data structures for rules. https://review.openstack.org/157097 | 07:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed openstack/neutron: Move full-stack logs post-tests https://review.openstack.org/180882 | 08:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed openstack/neutron: Move full-stack logs post-tests https://review.openstack.org/180882 | 09:00 |
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| moshele | ihrachyshka: hi | 09:24 |
| ihrachyshka | moshele, hi | 09:24 |
| moshele | ihrachyshka: can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181672/ ? | 09:25 |
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| ihrachyshka | moshele, what's the out-of-tree spin-out story for the driver? is decomposition planned? | 09:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Roman Bogorodskiy proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Enable spoofchk control for SR-IOV ports https://review.openstack.org/182593 | 09:30 |
| moshele | ihrachyshka: it is already out except config file and some code in the mlnx MD | 09:30 |
| ihrachyshka | ah right. we've left configs there... | 09:31 |
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| moshele | ihrachyshka: is the plan to remove them completely from the tree? | 09:34 |
| ihrachyshka | moshele, not atm, but I think there were suggestions to do so in the future once dust settles. | 09:35 |
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| ihrachyshka | moshele, afaik there are some out-of-tree plugins that ship their config options outside too | 09:35 |
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| ihrachyshka | moshele, f.e. networking-odl | 09:36 |
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| ihrachyshka | moshele, please check my comment | 09:39 |
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| moshele | ihrachyshka: please check my response | 09:51 |
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| moshele | ihrachyshka: thanks | 10:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed openstack/neutron: Move full-stack logs post-tests https://review.openstack.org/180882 | 10:53 |
| pc_m | russellb: ping | 10:53 |
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| gfa_ | where the ovs agent keeps the translation between local vlan_id to tenant_id ? | 11:03 |
| jlibosva | gfa_: ovs agent doesn't know tenant id but only segmentation id | 11:04 |
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| gfa_ | jlibosva: right, shared networks can see from tenantA to tenantB | 11:05 |
| gfa_ | anyway, where is that translation table stored? | 11:05 |
| gfa_ | who has it? is not on disk. but is persistent if i restart ovs agent | 11:06 |
| jlibosva | gfa_: in local_vlan_map attribute | 11:06 |
| jlibosva | gfa_: aah, no it's just in memory | 11:06 |
| jlibosva | gfa_: when you restart, it's synced via rpc with neutron-server | 11:06 |
| gfa_ | is it recreated using rpc data? or neutron-server has a copy of it? | 11:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed openstack/neutron: Allow ml2.test_rpc to be run by testtools https://review.openstack.org/182618 | 11:07 |
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| jlibosva | gfa_: if port exists in ovs db, it's recrated from there. | 11:09 |
| gfa_ | jlibosva: thanks, very helpful | 11:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nir Magnezi proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: networks: allow --router:external=False/True syntax, again https://review.openstack.org/182313 | 11:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: mlnx MD: mlnx_direct removal https://review.openstack.org/181672 | 11:41 |
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| pradip | hi all | 11:41 |
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| pradip | i have created two network with two diffrent router ... form host i am able to access one network , i want to make second network for direct access form host ....... | 11:43 |
| pradip | i am able to access using network namespace... | 11:43 |
| pradip | can any one help me to make this name sapace default for host....? | 11:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Update build hooks. https://review.openstack.org/182438 | 12:21 |
| ihrachyshka | HenryG, hey. was the following patch ever proposed/merged in cisco vendor repo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113037/15 ? | 12:22 |
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| HenryG | ihrachyshka: let me check | 12:24 |
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| HenryG | ihrachyshka: the answer is complicated | 12:26 |
| HenryG | ihrachyshka: you know, like a relationship status on facebook :) | 12:27 |
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| ihrachyshka | HenryG, I'm all ears! | 12:33 |
| ihrachyshka | http://montvale.bccls.org/storytimeani.jpg | 12:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: IPAM reference driver https://review.openstack.org/150485 | 12:33 |
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| HenryG | ihrachyshka: I do not work on the n1kv so I do not have all the details, but this is what I know... | 12:34 |
| HenryG | ihrachyshka: The monolithic plugin is deprecated in favor of the ML2 driver | 12:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Implement IPAM Driver loader https://review.openstack.org/147479 | 12:36 |
| HenryG | ihrachyshka: That patch was for the monolithic plugin, so the patch will never see the light of day in that form | 12:36 |
| HenryG | ihrachyshka: However, bits of it have made it into the ML2 driver in the vendor repo | 12:36 |
| HenryG | ihrachyshka: If you want details, I can put you in touch with n1kv developers | 12:37 |
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| ihrachyshka | HenryG, nah, that should be enough for now. thanks a lot. | 12:42 |
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| HenryG | ihrachyshka: yw | 12:42 |
| HenryG | obondarev: ping | 12:42 |
| HenryG | obondarev: https://review.openstack.org/172493 needs another +2 | 12:43 |
| obondarev | HenryG: hi | 12:43 |
| obondarev | HenryG: will review ;) | 12:43 |
| HenryG | obondarev: thanks | 12:44 |
| raorn | HenryG: hi | 12:44 |
| HenryG | raorn: Hey there | 12:44 |
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| raorn | HenryG: you were talking about neutron/common/repos.py ? | 12:44 |
| HenryG | raorn: I was? | 12:44 |
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| raorn | HenryG: 3rd-party neutron plugins with alembic migrations | 12:45 |
| HenryG | raorn: I was! | 12:45 |
| HenryG | raorn: yes | 12:45 |
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| HenryG | raorn: I was thinking you could patch MODULES somehow | 12:46 |
| raorn | HenryG: so I can just add my module to NeutronModules.MODULES and do as neutron_*aas does its migrations | 12:47 |
| raorn | great, thank you! | 12:47 |
| HenryG | yup, that's the basic idea | 12:47 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: hi | 13:48 |
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| HenryG | rossella_s: ping | 15:09 |
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| rossella_s | HenryG pong | 15:13 |
| HenryG | rossella_s: I believe https://review.openstack.org/182618 is addressed by https://review.openstack.org/169789 | 15:13 |
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| rossella_s | HenryG, you are right, my bad I had even reviewed your patch, but it was more than 1 month ago | 15:15 |
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| HenryG | rossella_s: yes, I need to ping some cores to approve that | 15:15 |
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| rossella_s | HenryG indeed ;) | 15:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron: Allow unit tests to be run independently https://review.openstack.org/169789 | 15:17 |
| HenryG | Oh no! All I did was change the commit msg and my votes were lost :( | 15:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: IPAM reference driver https://review.openstack.org/150485 | 15:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Implement IPAM Driver loader https://review.openstack.org/147479 | 15:20 |
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| HenryG | carl_baldwin: You previously voted +2 on https://review.openstack.org/169789 - all I did was update the commit msg to close another bug | 15:28 |
| anteaya | HenryG: changing the commit message is consided a new patch I believe | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG, I'm going to have to start the review over again. ;) | 15:29 |
| HenryG | anteaya: indeed, that is why I need to beg to restore my +2 :) | 15:29 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:30 |
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| roaet | Hooray canada! | 15:33 |
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| roaet | anteaya: it's near your neck of the woods this time, no? | 15:33 |
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| anteaya | roaet: Hooray Canada? | 15:34 |
| anteaya | what happened? | 15:34 |
| roaet | there's a summit there | 15:35 |
| anteaya | we did elect an NDP provincial gov't in Alberta | 15:35 |
| anteaya | ah yes | 15:35 |
| anteaya | just a general shoutout, okay thanks | 15:35 |
| anteaya | yes am Canadian | 15:35 |
| anteaya | banks will be closed Monday | 15:35 |
| anteaya | as Canadians will be celebrating Queen Victoria's birthday | 15:36 |
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| roaet | anteaya: ohh. i wonder if that will be a problem | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | only if you expect the bank to be open | 15:37 |
| anteaya | atms will still all work, so cash is available | 15:38 |
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| tidwellr | devvesa: hi | 15:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Refactor db_base_plugin_v2.py to use new IPAM https://review.openstack.org/153236 | 15:57 |
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| xgerman | pc_m yt? | 16:18 |
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| xgerman | pc_m filed bug report | 16:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Consider all address scopes in init_l3 https://review.openstack.org/168502 | 16:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/182746 | 16:34 |
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| pc_m | xgerman: hi, just got back | 16:45 |
| xgerman | hi so I filed a bug and commented on the patch | 16:45 |
| xgerman | it seems to -ecover fails without he patch | 16:45 |
| xgerman | tox | 16:45 |
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| amuller | HenryG: I have a couple of test-only refactors I'd like to merge | 16:48 |
| amuller | HenryG: Can I ask you to take a look? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179517/ | 16:48 |
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| amuller | marun: If you can also | 16:49 |
| amuller | ^ | 16:49 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: Hi! | 16:50 |
| pc_m | xgerman: sorry, what but/patch? | 16:50 |
| pc_m | bug | 16:51 |
| xgerman | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182370/1//COMMIT_MSG | 16:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Centralized register_OVS_agent in tests https://review.openstack.org/178789 | 16:52 |
| xgerman | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1454772 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1454772 in neutron "VPNaaS: tox -ecover fails" [Undecided,New] | 16:52 |
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| pc_m | xgerman: Yeah, so I'm wondering why I don't see that error at all. When I run it works fine as is. When I make the change (which is the way it used to be months ago, it fails to create any covarage data and gives a warning) | 16:55 |
| xgerman | weird, I tried on my box without the change a simple to -rv -ecover and it failed | 16:56 |
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| xgerman | on the master | 16:56 |
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| pc_m | xgerman: Works on two different VMs on two machines for me. | 16:57 |
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| xgerman | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/n2QMQCzy | 16:59 |
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| xgerman | mmh, in my case errors out without the patch | 16:59 |
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| yalie | hi rkukura | 17:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar, hi | 17:03 |
| rkukura | yalie: hi | 17:03 |
| pc_m | xgerman: Is it a different version or something? | 17:03 |
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| yalie | rkukura: do you have some time to discuss your idea on "make SGs more MD-specific so options other than L2 agent are possible" | 17:04 |
| xgerman | I am thinking the same | 17:04 |
| xgerman | tox==2.0.1 | 17:04 |
| pc_m | xgerman: I see you are in a venv already when running the command. | 17:04 |
| rkukura | yalie: sure, a couple minutes at least | 17:04 |
| xgerman | on my box' | 17:04 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: I would like to check with you about solution I did to address you comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153236/59/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py line 1706 | 17:04 |
| yalie | rkukura: I want to make sure if it could be done in that BP | 17:04 |
| * carl_baldwin goes to link and reads... | 17:05 | |
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| yalie | rkukura: my previous though is simple, to make the code clean, and deal with the conflict within the drivers | 17:05 |
| rkukura | yalie: right now, the RPC-based SG implementation is built into ML2. I’ve been thinking we could make it pluggable, but also deal with different MDs having different ways to implement SGs at the same time. | 17:05 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: it becomes pretty heavy, so I am not sure if it is still ok | 17:05 |
| yamahata | rkukura: do you mean pluggable regarding to MD? | 17:06 |
| rkukura | yalie: I think your BP makes it pluggable as an extension driver, but doesn’t necessarily address different MDs having different SG implemenations. | 17:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar, Your proposal sounds good as it is worded in that link. How is it heavy? | 17:06 |
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| pavel_bondar | a lot of methods moving:) | 17:07 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: amotoki: Can you guys review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182670/ which fixes test breakage in VPN code due to hacking rule change? | 17:07 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: It is implemented in last patchset 63 | 17:07 |
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| rkukura | yalie: For example, the current OVS MD would support/require the current RPCs to the L2 agent. But an ODL or other MD might want to enforce the SGs in the switch instead, or in some agent if controls on the host. | 17:07 |
| yalie | rkukura: I notice this bug fix, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174588/ , it's for agentless MD driver, expose some security group event like create/delete | 17:07 |
| yalie | rkukura: is that another way to implement secgroup, non-RPC way? | 17:08 |
| pc_m | xgerman: Can you deactivate environment and run tox? | 17:08 |
| pc_m | xgerman: I'm running tox 1.8.1 on both VMs | 17:09 |
| rkukura | yalie: Hadn’t seen that. It could be useful. But we may need a bit more so that ML2 binding ensures that something involved in the binding will in fact enfore the SGs. | 17:09 |
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| xgerman | pc_m I have tox 2.01 | 17:09 |
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| xgerman | let me try with you to pc_m | 17:10 |
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| xgerman | your tox | 17:10 |
| rkukura | yalie: Will you be at the summit? If so, lets discuss this there. | 17:10 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar, I will do that review today if I do nothing else. | 17:10 |
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| yalie | rkukura: thanks, sorry, I am not, but my friend yamahata is there, maybe he can help me to do some sync with you there | 17:12 |
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| rkukura | yalie: ok | 17:12 |
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| yamahata | rkukura: I'll be there. I can discuss on behalf on yalie | 17:12 |
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| yalie | rkukura: thanks rkukura | 17:12 |
| rkukura | yalie, yamahata: great! | 17:12 |
| yalie | yamahata: thanks | 17:13 |
| rkukura | yalie: Please try to put your ideas into the etherpad | 17:13 |
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| yalie | rkukura: yes, thanks for your reminding | 17:13 |
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| yalie | I will add it | 17:13 |
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| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: Thanks! It would be nice to get it reviewed before tomorrow (at least partly), so I could address as much comments as possible before my vacation (starts on Friday) | 17:15 |
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| yalie | rkukura: another question ? | 17:16 |
| rkukura | sure | 17:16 |
| yalie | rkukura: you know, we want to make port-sec default extension driver | 17:17 |
| yalie | and the core of devstack want us to add some in neutron.rst | 17:18 |
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| rkukura | yalie: what do you mean by “default extension driver”? | 17:18 |
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| yalie | I mean everytime the devstack deployed, it will add port-sec into ext driver list by default | 17:19 |
| yalie | I think it's un-related to neutron's doc. | 17:19 |
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| yalie | right? | 17:19 |
| rkukura | yalie: Do you mean including it in the default value of the “extension_drivers” config variable, including it in the sample neutron.conf or ml2.conf, or having devstack configure it? | 17:19 |
| yalie | here is the link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162063/ | 17:19 |
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| rkukura | yalie: right - I had commented on that devstack patch that I thought habing devstack include this makes sense | 17:20 |
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| rkukura | yalie: looking at subsequent comments now | 17:21 |
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| yalie | thanks | 17:21 |
| yalie | sorry, maybe I misunderstood | 17:22 |
| yalie | neutorn.rst is the devstack should be updated. | 17:22 |
| rkukura | yalie: Looks like the only current issue is allowing the list of extension drivers to be built up from multiple code snippets. | 17:23 |
| yalie | rkukura: sorry, from what kind of code snippets? | 17:24 |
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| yalie | do you mean the differ "-" and ":-" | 17:25 |
| rkukura | yalie: the various bash files devstack pulls in. | 17:25 |
| pc_m | marun: hi | 17:25 |
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| rkukura | yalie: I guess I’m assuming that’s what the “-“ vs. “:-“ is about. My bash is getting rusty. | 17:25 |
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| marun | pc_m: hi | 17:26 |
| yalie | yes, this is the only problem left | 17:26 |
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| yalie | do you have a trend between the '-' and ':-' | 17:27 |
| yalie | personally I think '-' would be OK if I add some comment | 17:28 |
| rkukura | yalie: No opinion from me on that one without a bit of research. Is it controversial? | 17:28 |
| rkukura | yalie: AFK for a while to grab lunch | 17:29 |
| yalie | rkukura: yes, it was. OK, forget it, thanks for your time! | 17:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS: Revise functional test hooks https://review.openstack.org/168115 | 17:29 |
| yalie | rkukura: have a good lunch! | 17:29 |
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| pc_m | marun: Can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182670/? Need driver cores to approve this fix to test breakage. | 17:32 |
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| xgerman | pc_m tried with tox=1.8.1 same error | 17:37 |
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| pc_m | xgerman: Are you running from inside a virtual environment already? | 17:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Fix neutron tests https://review.openstack.org/182769 | 17:39 |
| pc_m | xgerman: Maybe delete .tox dir and retry creating virtual env? | 17:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar, ack | 17:39 |
| xgerman | pc_m this is my cover library | 17:39 |
| xgerman | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/MyM7fPzb | 17:40 |
| xgerman | and I did a fresh install | 17:40 |
| amuller | marun: need to merge this ASAP to unbork gate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182769/ | 17:40 |
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| pc_m | xgerman: I'm running 3.7.1 also | 17:42 |
| xgerman | weird | 17:42 |
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| xgerman | in your to environment? | 17:43 |
| xgerman | tox | 17:43 |
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| marun | armax, salv-orlando, HenryG, kevinbenton, carl_baldwin, dougwig: need a second on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182769/ | 17:43 |
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| pc_m | xgerman: in and outside of virtual env, same coverage version | 17:45 |
| xgerman | I don’t have cover installed outside | 17:46 |
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| xgerman | I cloned the repo and went straight to tox | 17:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Fix fip agent gateway port delete when migrating a fip https://review.openstack.org/180408 | 18:01 |
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| HenryG | marun: I saw the new tox version announced this morning and thought "I wonder how many things in OpenStack are going to break today?" | 18:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | marun, sorry I was too late to help you out there. Looks like armax got it squared away. | 18:06 |
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| marun | HenryG: I marvel that our policy is blithely accepting new versions of dependencies without vetting them. | 18:06 |
| amuller | HenryG: carl_baldwin: Least we got it quick :) from the looks of it none of the other major openstack projects were affected | 18:07 |
| pc_m | marun: Could that be affecting the issue xgerman is seeing with coverage runs? | 18:07 |
| carl_baldwin | marun +1 I just expressed some frustration about that in the review. | 18:07 |
| marun | HenryG: It's like we don't have the option of automated CI | 18:07 |
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| marun | carl_baldwin: Reading the conversation in infra, it sounds like its the cost of doing business. | 18:07 |
| * marun doesn't think it should be | 18:07 | |
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| HenryG | marun: I think the *aaSes might be affected, checking ... | 18:08 |
| clarkb | marun: in this case its because kowing its broken asap is desireable | 18:08 |
| clarkb | marun: it is almost impossible to tell 1.5k openstack developers they they all must install tox version X or their tests won't run | 18:08 |
| marun | clarkb: that's not what I'm talking about | 18:08 |
| marun | clarkb: I think you could give me a bit more credit | 18:08 |
| clarkb | so instead we find the breaks as soon as possible and hopefully fix them so that 1.5k devs continue to be happy | 18:09 |
| clarkb | this does result in the occasional bump along the way unfortunately | 18:09 |
| marun | clarkb: how about we pin and run periodic jobs to qualify new versions? | 18:09 |
| marun | clarkb: instead of impacting 1.5k devs when random things break? | 18:09 |
| clarkb | marun: that doesn't help the person that just spun up a new test node today and completely doesn't work | 18:09 |
| marun | clarkb: you know, like every single other software development effort on the planet? | 18:09 |
| marun | clarkb: but sure, we're special. | 18:10 |
| marun | :( | 18:10 |
| pc_m | HenryG: xgerman is seeing an issue with coverage, not sure if it affects. | 18:10 |
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| clarkb | marun: how does that address communicating install version X to everyone? | 18:10 |
| pc_m | There just was a breakage in VPN, due to hacking rule change. I have a commit out for that, which needs driver team cores to review. Would appreciate help getting that through | 18:10 |
| marun | clarkb: it's an orthogonal problem, and hardly a challenge. | 18:11 |
| clarkb | marun: we can do what you descrie, I just don't think it solves the problems. It solves a problem | 18:11 |
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| clarkb | marun: it is a challenge we know this beause we have had to pin tox in the past | 18:11 |
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| clarkb | marun: and every day I got several "why does tox not work?" questions | 18:11 |
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| marun | clarkb: When we maintain a policy of pinning some things and not others, it's no wonder that people get confused. | 18:13 |
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| marun | clarkb: a policy of always pinning, and updating pins only when a new version qualifies, would seem to be simpler for everyone. | 18:14 |
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| clarkb | marun: that was semi recently tried on the stable branches and it fell apart. We need lifeless' pip work to fix pip first but that is in progress | 18:14 |
| marun | clarkb: problems on problems, most of which we've created for ourselves. | 18:15 |
| clarkb | marun: if/when upstream pip has a dep resolver with reproduceable results we can go back to looking at pinning everything and doing incremental bumps | 18:15 |
| marun | clarkb: installing everything globally was stupid 3 years ago, and it's still stupid now. | 18:15 |
| clarkb | marun: not sure I follow, the existing python tooling does not support the workflow you describe because installs are not reproduceable | 18:15 |
| clarkb | marun: this is being fixed but is a necessary prerequisite to doing what you describe | 18:15 |
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| marun | clarkb: really? | 18:15 |
| clarkb | (whether or not you use global installs) | 18:16 |
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| clarkb | marun: yes otherwise you could vet the thing, bump it, then 2 hours later start getting different installs due to somethign else changing | 18:16 |
| clarkb | pip doesn't support the use case now but will if/when lifeless' fixes get in | 18:16 |
| clarkb | marun: lifeless wrote a blog about it, let me dig that up | 18:17 |
| clarkb | https://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2015/05/13/improving-dependency-handling-upstream-for-openstack/ | 18:17 |
| marun | clarkb: I saw it. It doesn't say anything about global vs localized installs. | 18:17 |
| clarkb | marun: the problem affects both | 18:17 |
| clarkb | beacuse it is in pip dependency resolution | 18:17 |
| marun | I still see it as a problem we're creating for ourselves. | 18:18 |
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| marun | But I guess I'm just misinformed | 18:18 |
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| dougwig | HenryG: it almost certainly does affect them. mobilzing folks... | 18:20 |
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| HenryG | dougwig: actually, they seem to be in the clear, except for a vpn patch that has not merged yet | 18:20 |
| dougwig | they weren't reference the env dir? | 18:21 |
| HenryG | not that particular one | 18:21 |
| dougwig | i'm surprised, since they have the same ancestry. | 18:21 |
| HenryG | I think its usage is fairly new on the core side | 18:21 |
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| lifeless | marun: hi | 18:38 |
| lifeless | marun: so lots of venvs where each thing venv has just one thing pip installed just once is indeed simpler to reason about in some ways | 18:39 |
| lifeless | marun: however, it can totally stil break due to flawed dep handling in current pip | 18:39 |
| marun | lifeless: re-reading your post, I get that. | 18:39 |
| lifeless | marun: if A the thing you're installing depends on B (constrained) and C ... ok :) | 18:39 |
| lifeless | marun: further, if we do a top level requirements for each thing - its not really any harder or easier than our current top level requirements which *are* totally satisfiable | 18:40 |
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| lifeless | its the three separate problems all combining that makes it seem so nasty to us; once we get them fixed, even incrementally, I'm am sure things will get nicer rapidly. | 18:41 |
| marun | lifeless: What do you mean by 'top level requirements for each thing'? | 18:41 |
| marun | lifeless: and once pip's dep handling is fixed, is there anything else stopping us from pinning? | 18:42 |
| lifeless | say we compiled a pip freeze per server - thats a top levle requirements for each thing | 18:42 |
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| marun | lifeless: server == host? or daemon? | 18:43 |
| lifeless | marun: daemon | 18:43 |
| marun | lifeless: gotcha | 18:43 |
| lifeless | ok, so really tight pinning. Thats needs the global constraints thing for incremental installs done | 18:43 |
| lifeless | its not really a dep handling issue: we can compile a pip freeze right now, and pip will honour it. | 18:44 |
| lifeless | but then we'll pip install some other thing, and it all falls aparty | 18:44 |
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| marun | lifeless: ah, so pip has to retain a history of dep pins? | 18:44 |
| lifeless | we can't do tight pinning on a per-repo basis because of the deadlock problem | 18:44 |
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| clarkb | lifeless: you can't deterministically bump that freeze, you basically have to let pips current broken tell you what you get | 18:44 |
| clarkb | lifeless: whihc is different than what marun would like | 18:44 |
| marun | lifeless: deadlock problem? | 18:45 |
| lifeless | clarkb: why not? | 18:45 |
| clarkb | lifeless: because updating foo to version X will have transitive fallout that we cannot control | 18:45 |
| lifeless | marun: if A depends on B==1.0 and C depends on B==1.0, how do you raise the dependency on B for A | 18:45 |
| clarkb | lifeless: so you can still get a list that is solid and works but you can't curate it, pip does | 18:45 |
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| marun | lifeless: I'm not sure I follow. | 18:46 |
| clarkb | this would be less bad if pkg_resources didn't explode when it found a version it doesn't like | 18:46 |
| marun | lifeless: a deadlock problem would involve manual intervention? | 18:46 |
| lifeless | clarkb: uhm, so I think you've got several things confounded | 18:46 |
| marun | lifeless: is that so bad? | 18:46 |
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| clarkb | lifeless: if you want to bump deps in lockstep controlling every one as you go, can you do that with existing pip and the compiled deps that you describe? I believe the answer is no | 18:46 |
| lifeless | clarkb: you can totally do a compiled pip freeze for everything today; there are no transitive deps because a compiled freeze has *everything* | 18:46 |
| clarkb | lifeless: because you have no control over the lockstep, what you can do is take the compiled freeze for what you end up with | 18:47 |
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| clarkb | lifeless: yes that will work | 18:47 |
| lifeless | so you do one big compile | 18:47 |
| lifeless | and then you take splits out of it for each thing we'd install. | 18:47 |
| lifeless | and then you make all the pip installs use a -r some-compiled-split | 18:48 |
| lifeless | and it will work | 18:48 |
| lifeless | but be really freaking tedious to maintain | 18:48 |
| marun | tedius and not amenable to automation? | 18:48 |
| lifeless | marun: sufficient effort could be applied, but - why not fix the plumbing | 18:49 |
| lifeless | issue 2731 | 18:49 |
| lifeless | last one mentioned under incremental installations need dependency resolution on yesterdays blog post | 18:50 |
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| lifeless | marun: deadlock situation. | 18:50 |
| lifeless | marun: we install A and C in my example above from pip. | 18:50 |
| lifeless | marun: and they are pinned (install_requires=["B==1.0"]) | 18:50 |
| lifeless | marun: we have a change to A to use B 1.1 to test. We can edit A's install_requires. | 18:51 |
| lifeless | marun: we can't edit C's. Its coming from pip. | 18:51 |
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| lifeless | marun: right now we conflate listing known bads with deploying known goods. | 18:52 |
| lifeless | marun: much of that is an attempt to work around the missing features in pip (like issue 2731) | 18:52 |
| lifeless | marun: but it ends up with incompatible dependencies when the code would totally work, we just don't have proof of that. | 18:53 |
| lifeless | marun: and this is what requirements files are actually intended for: specifying known good by a deployer. | 18:53 |
| marun | lifeless: ..and suddenly golang's vendoring-only extension strategy actually seems to have some pluses ;) | 18:53 |
| lifeless | marun: you can still have this issue with that strategy | 18:54 |
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| lifeless | it's intrinsic to the problem space. | 18:54 |
| marun | lifeless: to some degree... it reduces the tooling around dep management such that every project has to do the work themselves | 18:54 |
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| marun | lifeless: at least they wouldn't be constrained by tooling deficiencies | 18:55 |
| lifeless | marun: we're only constrainted by tooling deficiencies because we haven't fixed the tools. | 18:55 |
| lifeless | marun: and | 18:55 |
| marun | lifeless: To me, it reinforces the idea that testing is the only defense. | 18:55 |
| lifeless | marun: having no tools *IS* being constrained by tooling deficiencies | 18:55 |
| lifeless | marun: so, what I'm arguing we should do is have a global compiled freeze that we edit very cautiously, with tooling telling us we need to let new things in | 18:56 |
| marun | lifeless: I don't agree with that statement. There are no solutions without problems, and for some use cases the introduced problems won't be worth it. | 18:56 |
| lifeless | and publish our artifacts with open ended constraints, *except where we -know- things will break* | 18:56 |
| marun | lifeless: previous statement, I agree with global complied freeze | 18:56 |
| marun | compiled | 18:57 |
| lifeless | marun: so - solve our problem without pip; you're now no longer constrained by the tooling | 18:57 |
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| marun | lifeless: my point is that we're creating problems in solving them with packaging | 18:57 |
| marun | lifeless: maybe worth paying in the openstack case, but that won't be true for everyone | 18:57 |
| * marun digresses | 18:57 | |
| lifeless | marun: I agree that what we're doing is problematic. Its a consequence of choices like having multiple repositories | 18:58 |
| marun | lifeless: right | 18:58 |
| marun | lifeless: that stuck out at me recently when I considered how google/facebook/etc manage their code | 18:58 |
| lifeless | but | 18:58 |
| lifeless | its totally possible to have an excellent result with this strategy | 18:59 |
| lifeless | our problem has been that the problem is actually fairly deep | 18:59 |
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| lifeless | and we've got many cooks with different well intentioned goals, that have resulted in emergent chaos | 18:59 |
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| marun | lifeless: 'emergent chaos' is an interesting term | 19:00 |
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| marun | lifeless: 'accidental complexity' is what I generally use | 19:01 |
| marun | lifeless: but they mean largely the same thing | 19:01 |
| marun | (I think) | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | so in this case the distinction I'm drawing is that the complexity is part of the domain. Its NPComplete if we let it escape some fairly narrow constraints | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | lifeless: I don't mean the derail current conversation but it seems to be winding down. THe thing I was trying to say earlier is if we decided we need foo==x.y.z for some feature or bug fix, with current pip it is entirely possible that the global freeze compile would choose a different version and we would be unable to select the version we want without breaking the installs. Despite the fact that | 19:03 |
| clarkb | x.y.z satisfies the global resolution state. With your pip fixes that should no longer be the case AIUI | 19:03 |
| lifeless | but there are well known and common strategies for mitigating that | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: so the way you address that with a global compiled freezei s that you make foo=x.y.z be one of the inputs | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: and pip-compile (or any of the external resolvers out there) will give you foo=x.y.z back (or error if it can't be combined with the rest) | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: the thing we've done where we compile by doing pip install doesn't work | 19:04 |
| lifeless | clarkb: but its not what pip compile is about | 19:04 |
| clarkb | lifeless: ok, so maybe thats where my disconnect is. Need an external resolver to do it, not pip itself | 19:04 |
| lifeless | clarkb: the reason its doesn't work today is that while you can pin foo=x.y.z | 19:04 |
| lifeless | clarkb: bar which needs foo < x will still be installed with no warning or error | 19:05 |
| lifeless | clarkb: and the result will be cactus | 19:05 |
| lifeless | clarkb: the way folk then work around that is to install each other thing separately | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: which runs into issue 2687 | 19:05 |
| clarkb | the first issue is 988 | 19:05 |
| lifeless | clarkb: once pip has a full resolver, then pip intall <what I want>; pip freeze <what I got> should totally work | 19:06 |
| clarkb | right | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: yup first issue is988 | 19:06 |
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| enikanorov2 | zzzeek: hi, could you please take a look at this review? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182456/ | 20:10 |
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| zzzeek | enikanorov2: why is the “port” object used subsequent to it being deleted ? | 20:12 |
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| enikanorov2 | zzzeek: port is deleted from the DB in other transaction | 20:13 |
| enikanorov2 | so the issues happens on access to port.id | 20:13 |
| enikanorov2 | not sure btw why access to an attribute causes it's refresh... | 20:13 |
| zzzeek | enikanorov2: heh. but then why do you want to emit a DELETE? it seems that this exceptoin is ideal for you to catch and avoid emitting a DELETE for no reason | 20:13 |
| zzzeek | enikanorov2: the attribute had to be unloaded at some point, such as session.rollback() perhaps | 20:14 |
| zzzeek | enikanorov2: which would be a red flag, that you’re workign around somethign that is after an operation failed. you’d want to understand why this is doing what it is | 20:14 |
| enikanorov2 | zzzeek: catching it is an alternative approach. | 20:14 |
| zzzeek | enikanorov2: unlesss you are calling commit() and you don’t have expire_on_commit=False ? | 20:15 |
| enikanorov2 | I've seen many ObjectDeletedError exceptions in similar conditions: I fetch an object/list of objects from the DB, then try to issue delete for each of them using their id, but some of them are deleted by other proceses/threads | 20:16 |
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| enikanorov2 | so these deletes are issued from 'healthy' transaction | 20:16 |
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| enikanorov2 | oops, hold on... | 20:17 |
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| enikanorov2 | zzzeek: you're right, objects are used outside the tx | 20:18 |
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