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| GLaupre | Hi every one, where can I found all the package dependencies and versions in the format package X '>='x.x.x. '<'x.x.x for a particulare branch? I remember I found a file containing all that but I don't find it any more? | 00:28 |
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| GLaupre | requirements.txt : found it ^^ | 00:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Still proposed openstack/nova-specs: Be more explicit with our review policies. https://review.openstack.org/190886 | 01:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/nova-specs: Spec to add 'locked_by' in server get response https://review.openstack.org/190487 | 01:33 |
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| mikal | jogo: if you're around https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190886/ is probably of interest to you | 01:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sam Morrison proposed openstack/nova: Cells: Support attach/detach interface and external events https://review.openstack.org/184155 | 01:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eli Qiao proposed openstack/nova: Cleanup exception handler when attaching interface https://review.openstack.org/131026 | 03:13 |
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| flwang | backup | 04:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | ijw-ubuntu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add a binding_type negotiation when attempting to bind a Neutron port https://review.openstack.org/190917 | 04:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | ijw-ubuntu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add new simpler forms of Neutron binding https://review.openstack.org/190932 | 05:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/190034 | 06:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Fix checks of resize down of instance created with volume https://review.openstack.org/186643 | 06:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova: Fix Bad indentation pylint issues https://review.openstack.org/190960 | 07:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Fix checks of resize down of instance created with volume https://review.openstack.org/186643 | 07:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Fix checks of resize down of instance created with volume https://review.openstack.org/186643 | 07:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: introduce GuestBlock to wrap around Block API https://review.openstack.org/190210 | 07:31 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: update swap volume to use Guest https://review.openstack.org/190211 | 07:31 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: introduce method to wait block device job https://review.openstack.org/190214 | 07:31 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: update live swnapshot to use Guest https://review.openstack.org/190212 | 07:31 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: update volume delete swnapshot to use Guest https://review.openstack.org/190213 | 07:31 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: return whether a domain is persistent https://review.openstack.org/190962 | 07:31 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: make test units more concise https://review.openstack.org/190963 | 07:31 |
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| bauzas | morning, specs day ! | 07:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: +1 | 08:22 |
| * johnthetubaguy wishes everyone happy specs day | 08:22 | |
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| lxsli | Morning | 08:23 |
| claudiub | mornooning. :D | 08:24 |
| * kashyap waves too | 08:24 | |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: reading the scroll back I have visions of you and tonyb getting your morning exercise by going outside and fending off some wildlife, very strange visions... | 08:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | morning all | 08:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am half way through my morning coffee, so starting to wake up | 08:25 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: its totally how it happens | 08:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: :) | 08:25 |
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| mikal | johnthetubaguy: so, we're unblocked on specs policy stuff now? | 08:25 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: I didn't realize I was blocking anyone, sorry about that | 08:26 |
| bauzas | oh | 08:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mikal: mostly I think | 08:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mikal: I have a wiki of stuff with, hmm, we need to decide that | 08:26 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: cool. tonyb suggested explaining the lifecycle of a spec as well, which I will do in a separate patch | 08:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | its at the bottom of here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 08:27 |
| mikal | Ok, I shall take a look at that, but it might not be tonight | 08:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: I started some of that here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 08:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: totally need it in the spec repo though | 08:27 |
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| mikal | Yep, I like it in the repo too, and then the wiki can just point to http://specs.o.o | 08:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have this bit too: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/blueprints.html | 08:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats more for reference | 08:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mikal: oh man, and this bit too: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mentoring#Process | 08:28 |
| * johnthetubaguy consolidation time... | 08:28 | |
| bauwser | modifying the chan title would be great too :) | 08:30 |
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| bauwser | access #openstack-nova list shows me that ttx has rights for it :) | 08:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: so I am attempting to track lots of this dev docs stuff in here, if thats useful: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/devref-refresh-liberty | 08:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-specs-openreviews.html | 08:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | Total Open Reviews: 100 | 08:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | Waiting on Submitter: 61 | 08:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | Waiting on Reviewer: 39 | 08:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thats getting better already, thank you to them upside down folks! | 08:33 |
| sahid | ndipanov: hello, any chance you take a look at this please https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190267 | 08:34 |
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| sahid | hum yes... spec reviews today :D | 08:34 |
| ndipanov | some chance | 08:34 |
| ndipanov | hmm | 08:35 |
| ndipanov | well I guess | 08:35 |
| ndipanov | ah the old 0 numa nodes | 08:36 |
| ndipanov | I don't know I actually like that idea | 08:37 |
| ndipanov | I mean | 08:37 |
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| ndipanov | the idea that we default to 1 | 08:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/nova: Support creating port with subnet_id in neutron api https://review.openstack.org/190476 | 08:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/nova: Add subnet_id in NetworkRequest object https://review.openstack.org/190475 | 08:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/nova: CreateVM supports subnet specified https://review.openstack.org/182969 | 08:39 |
| sahid | but we still have to handle no-numeric values and equal or less than 0 | 08:39 |
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| ndipanov | sahid, why is 0 a problem? | 08:39 |
| ndipanov | it's a problem if you specify other stuff | 08:39 |
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| ndipanov | but I am not sure 0 should blow up | 08:40 |
| kashyap | ndipanov: "hw:numa_nodes=0 causes divide by zero" | 08:40 |
| ndipanov | right | 08:40 |
| ndipanov | I don't know | 08:40 |
| sahid | ndipanov: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1402709 | 08:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1402709 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Report an error when booting an instance with a flavor which has NUMA nodes is set to 0 (hw:numa_nodes=0)" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Karim Boumedhel (karmab) | 08:41 |
| sahid | and i think the consensus was to raise error | 08:41 |
| ndipanov | yes that is probably best | 08:41 |
| ndipanov | ok then I will review | 08:41 |
| ndipanov | but coffee first | 08:42 |
| sahid | ndipanov: ok thanks, just for information in PS12 the code seems to me more concise with less change | 08:42 |
| sahid | that is why i did not +1 | 08:42 |
| sahid | but i wanted to get more ideas | 08:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Xu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Remove v3 from nova code tree https://review.openstack.org/189218 | 08:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Still proposed openstack/nova-specs: Further clarify our review policies. https://review.openstack.org/190979 | 08:44 |
| rgerganov | ah, microversion 2.4 is taken now ... I hope my lucky number will be 2.5 for the console api | 08:44 |
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| rgerganov | I am pushing this since 2.2 :) | 08:45 |
| claudiub | hello | 08:46 |
| claudiub | looking through launchpad blueprints, I see that there was a proposal for live-snapshots. | 08:46 |
| claudiub | was wondering why wasn't that approved. | 08:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: so just reviewing the rename spec, got a slight possible issue, if you are free to chat? | 08:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I am totally wrong, it turns out, its all good | 08:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Fix checks of resize down of instance created with volume https://review.openstack.org/186643 | 08:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: convert imagebackend to support nova.virt.image.model classes https://review.openstack.org/132024 | 08:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: virt: convert disk API over to use nova.virt.image.model https://review.openstack.org/132023 | 08:59 |
| sahid | hum it's me or openstack.org has some pb right now | 09:02 |
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| bauzas | sahid: yep, I do have the same problem, with connection issues | 09:03 |
| sahid | bauzas: ok, thank you | 09:03 |
| bauzas | sahid: for the moment, I'm investigating to see if it's a network issue or an openstack issue | 09:03 |
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| bauzas | sahid: your ISP? | 09:04 |
| bauzas | sahid: since we're on the same country, that's perhaps not due to the infra | 09:04 |
| sahid | bauzas: free.fr | 09:04 |
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| bauzas | sahid: as well | 09:04 |
| bauzas | sahid: so perhaps a Free issue... | 09:04 |
| sahid | ah ok, so the problem is only for people in France | 09:05 |
| bauzas | lexloofer: seen any problem with any TLD with .openstack.org | 09:05 |
| bauzas | ? | 09:05 |
| bauzas | sahid: the -infra chan is pretty quiet | 09:05 |
| sahid | bauzas: i see | 09:06 |
| bauzas | sahid: when began your problems ? around 10.45am our time, right ? | 09:06 |
| sahid | bauzas: right | 09:06 |
| bauzas | sahid: okay, that definitely sounds like an ISP issue... :( | 09:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | -infra don't really have folks who are usually awake right now | 09:06 |
| danpb | sahid: bauzas what is the problem you see ? | 09:06 |
| bauzas | danpb: all .o.o sites are very slow | 09:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova: Consolidate the APIs for getting consoles https://review.openstack.org/148509 | 09:07 |
| bauzas | danpb: I'm even getting timeouts with review.o.o | 09:07 |
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| bauzas | danpb: but my local network connection seems pretty stable | 09:07 |
| danpb | try running 'mtr review.openstack.org' as root | 09:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova: Remove unnecessary ValueError exception https://review.openstack.org/190525 | 09:07 |
| bauzas | danpb: you read my mind :) | 09:08 |
| danpb | that's a traceroot on steriods which is great at showing which hop in your network path is dropping packets | 09:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | fwiw, seems normal my end | 09:08 |
| sahid | danpb: +1 nice tool | 09:08 |
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| stupidjoblessper | Just looking for advice. How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying(fast food, retail, entry level) just to be told I am not what they are looking for (We have reviewed your application for this position and will be proceeding with other candidates at this time.) or they are not hiring. No interviews. Cannot volunteer as there is no where near | 09:08 |
| stupidjoblessper | too | 09:08 |
| danpb | mtr is reporting 4% packet loss at a rackspace border router for me | 09:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, interesting | 09:09 |
| danpb | but that's not so large that to be serious i don't think | 09:09 |
| danpb | and things seem to be running same speed as normal | 09:09 |
| bauzas | danpb: I'm usually going thru direct connection, but I can try to use my internal VPN to see | 09:09 |
| danpb | bauzas: yep, or try tunnelling your connection via a red hat machine in the US or something | 09:11 |
| sahid | bauzas: do you have same pb with ae2.mpr1.cdg11.fr.zip.zayo.com | 09:11 |
| danpb | to see if that makes a difference to the speed | 09:11 |
| bauzas | danpb: yup, was about to proxy my call | 09:11 |
| bauzas | be42.coreb.dfw1.rackspace.net 70% packet loss \o/ | 09:12 |
| bauzas | oh no | 09:12 |
| bauzas | sahid: ae2.mpr1.cdg11.fr.zip.zayo.com indeed this peering point is down | 09:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: hmm, I should probably report that somewhere | 09:13 |
| bauzas | that's why I'm having 90% packets drops for the rackspace gateways | 09:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | be42.coreb.dfw1.rackspace.net is giving me 0% loss | 09:14 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so the problem is colocated with this hop ae2.mpr1.cdg11.fr.zip.zayo.com | 09:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: rackspace is not in fault | 09:14 |
| sahid | i do not think the problem comes from rackspace | 09:14 |
| sahid | yes | 09:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but rackspace is loosing all French Free customers | 09:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, they might be able to escalate that | 09:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | assuming French Free is not just totally broken right now | 09:15 |
| sahid | it seems we use zip.zayo.com to join rackspace | 09:15 |
| sahid | and it is broken | 09:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, that | 09:15 |
| bauzas | sahid is in Paris, and I'm in Grenoble, so that just means we use the same peers given we have the same ISP | 09:15 |
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| bauzas | okay, since my work connection is not impacted, I'll tunnel my calls thru it | 09:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: question on your comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/6/specs/liberty/approved/servicegroup-api-control-plane.rst,cm | 09:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: not sure we need to see the facade pre-designed, can't we just evolve that in the code review? | 09:20 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I don't exactly want to have the Face designed, but at least, we need to be more explicit about what will be done | 09:20 |
| bauzas | Facade* even | 09:20 |
| stupidjoblessper | Just looking for advice. How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying(fast food, retail, entry level) just to be told I am not what they are looking for (We have reviewed your application for this position and will be proceeding with other candidates at this time.) or they are not hiring. No interviews. Cannot volunteer as there is no where near | 09:20 |
| stupidjoblessper | too | 09:20 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ie. how we manage the sync between the 2 stores, how we do the transition, and how we play with the existing Service object | 09:21 |
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| kiran-r | Hi! :) my VM´s are in Spawning state and not going beyond. WHat could be the reason?? | 09:22 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the more I think, the more I guess we should just drop the SG API and put all the methods within the Service object | 09:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: -1 on that, so we have tooz on the way | 09:22 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I know, but I'm considering the objects as not only for DB | 09:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: my take is possibly odd, lets get the DB driver interface correct, ignore the other broken stuff, let the tooz folks deal with implementing the bigger interface. | 09:23 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed, that's a 2 step proces | 09:23 |
| bauzas | 1. fix the stuff by merging those behind a proxy/facade/api/whatever | 09:23 |
| bauzas | 2. provide tooz instead of zk and mc for fixing their bugs | 09:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we already have a facade, the service group aPI right, its just not being used properly right now | 09:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | mostly as it has a few methods missing | 09:24 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's where I diverge :) | 09:24 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the objects are mostly used for calling the DB API | 09:24 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but why couldn't they call any other API ? | 09:24 |
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| bauzas | I mean, look at the SG API | 09:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: hmm, maybe, just seems like a heap load of work | 09:26 |
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| bauzas | agreed | 09:26 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I seriously need to code review the SG API and see how usable it is | 09:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: its a facade, its OK, its not awesome, but its a thing | 09:27 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but from an upgrade and compatibility point of view, I definitely prefer having objects for it | 09:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, I would like it to return objects, and we already have them | 09:27 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: note that I didn't said I would propose the Service object :) | 09:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: for the moment, it's just a braindump - I just said 'give me more about your thoughts on that' | 09:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, the comment sounded like: please write out what you are doing is pseudocode | 09:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | hence me wondering, but OK | 09:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I get the comment on what does the SG facade return | 09:29 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: at the moment, the SG API only provides 2 methods | 09:29 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: is_up which is a boolean | 09:30 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: and join which returns none | 09:30 |
| tonyb | johnthetubaguy: I'm not sure if that's a good thing ;P | 09:30 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: if we say that we're going to extend the API to add like update() | 09:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/servicegroup/api.py#L93 | 09:31 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: then it will come to a necessary discussion where I would love to see how we can make sure that all of that is having a compatibility later | 09:31 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: give me a few secs, need to proxy my connection thru my office connection | 09:32 |
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| bauzas | (btw. seems like our ISP lost connectivity due to Level3 BGP) | 09:33 |
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| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: belatedly getting back to this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150434/ | 09:33 |
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| mdbooth | Unfortunately mikal has tidied it up for me | 09:34 |
| mdbooth | I don't seem to be able to un-abandon it | 09:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: oh, it should un-abandon for you | 09:34 |
| danpb | mdbooth: done | 09:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add the oslo_db enginefacade proposal https://review.openstack.org/150434 | 09:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: why could you not un-abandon it? | 09:34 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: No button | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: worried we have a permissions issues here | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: no restore button? | 09:35 |
| mdbooth | dfY | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | dfY? | 09:35 |
| mdbooth | Sec, having a keyboard issue | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: sorry for bugging you, but we need to fix this, we only abandon stuff because we assume its easy for folks to restore it | 09:36 |
| mdbooth | One of the disadvantages of having a keyboard which only needs new batteries once every couple of years is that when it does, you've forgotten to buy them | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: doh! | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: what does it look like now, in gerrit, once you log in? | 09:37 |
| mdbooth | So, danpb did a thing and I've submitted an update | 09:37 |
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| mdbooth | Before he did a thing I didn't see an option to restore it | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: yep, but could you help me make sure its not broken for other folks, I have no way to test this myself, sadly | 09:38 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Why don't you abandon it again now? | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: I have done :) | 09:38 |
| mdbooth | cool | 09:38 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: eh https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/servicegroup/api.py#L93 is buggy IIRC, I can't find the drivers implementing it | 09:38 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Oh, I do see a restore button | 09:38 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: testing it now :) | 09:38 |
| mdbooth | It's entirely possible I was just being blind before | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: its all totally broken btw, the tooz folks have offered to fix it up, thats why I want that spec to be small | 09:39 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: got it | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: OK, something odd may have happened, but at least its gone away now, cool | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: cool, thanks for checking that for me | 09:39 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so, I'm fine with proposing to extending the SG API but in that case, we need to extend that API with all the public methods of the Service object, right ? | 09:40 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: since the proposers says to use the SG API as a mediator for calling the Service stuff | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yep, that should all wash out in the code review | 09:40 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's why I think we should maybe invert the logic and have the Service object only adding the is_up() and join() methods which would call the SG API | 09:41 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: honestly, given the awfulness I had with detach-service and the new awfulness I have with req-spec-object, I'm kinda liking any design draft for telling 'hey, this is the direction we're going to follow' | 09:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so I generally find you discover the awefulness writing the code, so I don't want to enforce up front design, as its quite frequently wasted effort, if the spec submitter wants to do that, then thats cool, but I am leaving that as the spec submitters choice | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: right now I want that old code to get deprecated, so we don't need to fix it in horrid ways, and let tooz sort it | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so we need something that moves us forward, that we can then evolve once we have two implementations to look at | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats just my gut feeling | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 09:45 |
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| bauzas | fair point, that's the level of granularity we expect from any spec that' subject to the discussion we have | 09:46 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: okay, here is what I propose | 09:47 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: since I would love to see that spec approved by today, I'll try to reach the proposer | 09:47 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: and if I can't, I'll turn my vote by saying "eh, I want you to show your cards, but that's fair to do it at the implementation phase since I like your spe" | 09:48 |
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| bauzas | spec | 09:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: OK, thanks | 09:48 |
| mdbooth | Quick poll: if I'm writing a unit test for the TimeOverride fixture, is it acceptable to put a 1 second sleep in a test? | 09:49 |
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| mdbooth | i.e. to assert that the time after 1 second is the same as it was before? | 09:49 |
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| bauzas | alex_xu: around ? | 09:49 |
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| * mdbooth would say yes, but expects pushback | 09:50 | |
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| bauzas | alex_xu: I had one comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189218/4 | 09:51 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: just wanted your opinion on that | 09:51 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: it's a nit, so I still +1'd it | 09:51 |
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| jogo | johnthetubaguy: any spec that I should review? | 09:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/nova-specs: No more soft delete https://review.openstack.org/184645 | 09:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova: Allow force-delete irrespective of VM task_state https://review.openstack.org/163798 | 10:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jogo: good question, there are some in the priorites etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking in the top section | 10:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: otherwise my current goal is around getting eyes on the massive long tail we have, to spot any that really really need to get in | 10:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | using this to look at the long tail: http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-specs-openreviews.html | 10:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jogo: might be good if you could do a pass of all the stuff that has a +2 actually, so see if we could get a few more merged, hit me up if I missed some | 10:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds Hyper-V UEFI Secure Boot spec https://review.openstack.org/190997 | 10:17 |
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| jogo | johnthetubaguy: cool | 10:17 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: from my perspective, the review day is not only for reviewers, but also for proposers | 10:18 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ie. proposers need to be particularly aware of any negative comment coming in, so they could either discuss it or amend the spec quite immediately so it would increase the chances of getting merged | 10:19 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's why I'm trying to review the Asia specs first | 10:19 |
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| dims | haypo: can you please see the first 3 patches of this series for python3 tests when you get a chance - (starts here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187785/) | 10:22 |
| bauzas | sahid: FYI, the outage is resolved | 10:22 |
| haypo | dims, are they ready for a review? i saw a lot of versions :) | 10:24 |
| stupidjoblessper | Just looking for advice. How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying(fast food, retail, entry level) just to be told I am not what they are looking for (We have reviewed your application for this position and will be proceeding with other candidates at this time.) or they are not hiring. No interviews. Cannot volunteer as there is no where near | 10:24 |
| stupidjoblessper | too | 10:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Fix checks of resize down of instance created with volume https://review.openstack.org/186643 | 10:24 |
| dims | haypo: just keeping up with the trunk | 10:25 |
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| sahid | bauzas: cool :) | 10:31 |
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| bauzas | lexloofer: see my comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188759/ | 10:36 |
| bauzas | lexloofer: I don't see necessarly a need to have 2 changes for the same unapproved spec | 10:36 |
| bauzas | lexloofer: rather, could you please sync with jaypipes and co-author that spec ? | 10:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Allow TimeOverride to take a specific time https://review.openstack.org/158796 | 10:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add the oslo_db enginefacade proposal https://review.openstack.org/150434 | 10:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: here is a nice one to merge: https://review.openstack.org/187835 | 10:45 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: just did this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190107/3 | 10:46 |
| jogo | oh right that is a good microversion | 10:46 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs: Correct resource name for consolidate console API https://review.openstack.org/185844 | 10:46 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: with microversions we are going to have a lot of merge conflicts as we start adding more and more | 10:47 |
| sdague | jogo: that's intentional | 10:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: just like rpc versions and object versions | 10:47 |
| sdague | and database migrations | 10:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 10:47 |
| sdague | that's actually the reason we created that centralized rst file, to force them to merge conflict | 10:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, make sure they are sequential | 10:48 |
| sdague | yep | 10:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | although, it would be nice to have some other kind of magic... but yeah | 10:48 |
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| stupidjoblessper | Just looking for advice. How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying(fast food, retail, entry level) just to be told I am not what they are looking for (We have reviewed your application for this position and will be proceeding with other candidates at this time.) or they are not hiring. No interviews. Cannot volunteer as there is no where near | 10:49 |
| stupidjoblessper | too | 10:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Still proposed openstack/nova-specs: Further clarify our review policies. https://review.openstack.org/190979 | 10:49 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: well I was thinking have people make there patches dependant on eachother | 10:49 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: further clarification of policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190979 | 10:49 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: cause tonyb asked me to document the lifecycle bits | 10:49 |
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| jogo | mikal: do you not know how a baby is made? | 10:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mikal: its a good clarification | 10:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: got a minor quibble | 10:51 |
| sdague | jogo: we did that at the end of kilo to get 2.2 and 2.3 lined up and mergable roughly at the same time. Just used "Depends-On" for it | 10:51 |
| sdague | which works in tree for stuff like that | 10:51 |
| mikal | jogo: I have performed the early stages of that process, but I haven't completed the "don't kill teenagers" bit yet. | 10:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: oh, so thats a neat trick, we should write that down somewhere | 10:52 |
| jogo | sdague: cool, so turns out there is an easy way to detect possible merge conflicts ... | 10:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: the new version of gerrit does that I think | 10:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: although it breaks almost everything else | 10:52 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: once we ever get back to it | 10:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 10:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: shame they couldn't run in parallel | 10:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Still proposed openstack/nova-specs: Further clarify our review policies. https://review.openstack.org/190979 | 10:54 |
| jogo | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova+is:open+file:%255Enova/api/openstack/rest_api_version_history.rst,n,z | 10:54 |
| mikal | jogo: new version uploaded | 10:54 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: ditto | 10:54 |
| jogo | sdague johnthetubaguy: we can just look for patches that touch the history file | 10:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: jogo: totally selfish plug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173243/14/specs/liberty/approved/api-relax-validation.rst,cm | 10:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: oh, nice, thats true | 10:54 |
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| mikal | And with that I stop work, it being 9pm and all | 10:55 |
| jogo | mikal: o/ | 10:55 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: just go through that list every so often and poke people to play nice | 10:55 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs: Nova Support of Glance Image Signing & Encryption https://review.openstack.org/188874 | 10:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jens Rosenboom proposed openstack/nova: Add microversion to allow server search option ip6 for non-admin https://review.openstack.org/179569 | 11:15 |
| frickler | mriedem_away, jogo: ^^ rebased, spec was just approved | 11:15 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: currently nova client send "X-OpenStack-Nova-API-Version" header for now(it probably bring in by half-implementation of microversion support), so that means relax validation spec will break the current nova client | 11:15 |
| alex_xu | so we should think it is as nova client bug or not | 11:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: oh thats bad... | 11:16 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea.... | 11:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: :'( | 11:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | when did we add that? | 11:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: slight spanner in the works ^ | 11:17 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: let me check | 11:17 |
| sdague | alex_xu: how will it break it | 11:17 |
| alex_xu | sdague: line 166 at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173243/14/specs/liberty/approved/api-relax-validation.rst | 11:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | frickler: so technically need to get the blueprint approved, I can sort that for you now | 11:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: so its sending the new header to the v2 API at the moment | 11:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | as I understand it | 11:18 |
| frickler | johnthetubaguy: seems I could change that to approved myself ... not sure whether that may have been a bug though :D | 11:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | frickler: yeah, thats only one of several that need changing though, so its not fully approved | 11:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | frickler: launchpad is fairly crazy! | 11:20 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: so, I'm not really sure why this is an issue. v2.0 is relaxed validation. Which means it should just ignore that header. | 11:20 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: sdague waiting....sorry, I think my env install an strange version novaclient... | 11:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: we did say we would error out if you request a version to the v2.0 API though | 11:23 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, but I'm not convinced that's the right thing to do | 11:23 |
| sdague | now that we think about it | 11:24 |
| sdague | because the whole point of the relaxation is v2.0 could be sent additional random stuff, and ignore it | 11:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, that did worry me when we suggested it, I think we have the reason not to do it now | 11:24 |
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| sdague | we should be consistent there | 11:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, I mean it was technically a valid request to v2 | 11:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, a request that was accepted | 11:24 |
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| jogo | johnthetubaguy: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181941/3/specs/liberty/approved/emc-sdc-libvirt-volume-driver.rst,cm, isn't the answer 'brick' | 11:28 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: actually a little agree with sdague, the v2 behavior is ignore the additional header | 11:28 |
| sdague | and I think if we do that behavior, we should have a consistent story, right? | 11:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: I have all those kinds of specs listed here as blocked right now, we need to talk about our plans here, that and the VIF plug changes | 11:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: sdague: agreed with you, we just need to update the spec to reflect that now | 11:30 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: ack, IMHO the answer is brick | 11:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: sdague: I kinda added it because its what I thought we agreed at the summit, so I am certainly not tied to that part of the spec in any way | 11:30 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: cool | 11:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: I think thats a good long term answer, and possible the correct shortterm answer | 11:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: can you -1 the spec for me, so I remember please! | 11:31 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: cool | 11:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: so my plan is to start some ML threads on these, so we decide properly | 11:31 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok, got it | 11:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: might do a policy doc somehwere, and just point to that review | 11:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dheeraj Gupta proposed openstack/nova: Add Host Mapping table to API Database https://review.openstack.org/191017 | 11:32 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: good idea, this is exactly the type of thing that is good to write down somewhere that we can reference | 11:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: yeah, I feel better saying no to things and pointing to something we have merged somewhere | 11:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: full list is at the bottom of here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 11:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dheeraj Gupta proposed openstack/nova: Add Host Mapping table to API Database https://review.openstack.org/191017 | 11:33 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: looks good | 11:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jogo: thanks, I just hope that list doesn't get any bigger right now | 11:35 |
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| jogo | johnthetubaguy: actually if the list gets bigger that may be a good thing (at least for brick stuff) | 11:35 |
| jogo | less work for us | 11:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: lol, thats true, I just feel bad blocking folks | 11:36 |
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| jogo | don't think of it as blocking them, thinking it of passing the buck :). Actually hopefully it means the brick team is more responsive then we are and things move faster | 11:37 |
| jogo | cinder already uses brick so this should deduplicate work | 11:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove/deprecate unused parts of the compute node object https://review.openstack.org/186757 | 11:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Make ComputeNode.service_id nullable to match db schema https://review.openstack.org/169284 | 11:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Avoid querying for Service in resource tracker https://review.openstack.org/169288 | 11:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack/nova: devref: virtual machine states and transitions https://review.openstack.org/191021 | 11:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack/nova: devref: virtual machine states and transitions https://review.openstack.org/191021 | 11:49 |
| danpb | has anyone seen jenkins actually voting on stuff today ? i uploaded some changes 3 hours ago and its still not reported any check results | 11:50 |
| danpb | and the zuul status page isn't displaying any jobs at all | 11:50 |
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| sdague | so alex_xu https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189218/2 doesn't really talk about the directory structure we discussed yesterday. Should I just put another patch up about that? | 11:52 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | Hi, does anyone know how hashes are calculated for individual objects in test_objects? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/unit/objects/test_objects.py#L1089 | 11:53 |
| alex_xu | sdague: it not? feel free put another patch up if you think it wrong | 11:53 |
| markus_z | danpb: There are a few reviews in nova which are verified by jenkins ca. 2 hours ago. | 11:56 |
| markus_z | danpb: For example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190214/ | 11:56 |
| sdague | things have gone south recently, no one in infra that can poke those systems is awake yet | 11:57 |
| markus_z | danpb: zuul took longer than usual to show the pipeline but eventually it came up. | 11:57 |
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| alex_xu | adverties nova-api meeting~ | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ^ if you have time to join :) | 12:01 |
| sdague | alex_xu: oh, sure, though I'm working on the spec write up right now as well. | 12:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove/deprecate conductor instance_update() https://review.openstack.org/189155 | 12:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Make compute manager instance updates use objects https://review.openstack.org/189154 | 12:08 |
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| lexloofer | bauzas: due to TZ and jay's workload, a review seems the easiest way to sync with him | 12:20 |
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| lexloofer | bauzas: I'd be very happy if he chose to squash it in | 12:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova-specs: propose additional code tree restructures https://review.openstack.org/191033 | 12:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add spec to enhance PCI passthrough whitelist to support range https://review.openstack.org/179577 | 12:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexander Schmidt proposed openstack/nova: serial console: enable live migration https://review.openstack.org/191035 | 12:29 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, sdague https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188913/ | 12:29 |
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| ndipanov | I'll admit I did not fully read the whole thread about when exactly to bump versions but it seems silly to do so for this | 12:30 |
| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova-specs: Delete version specified code suggestion https://review.openstack.org/164229 | 12:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: the argument is mostly around clients discovering things, and the fact we are trying to stop the API from silently ignoring things and being way more discoverable and explicit | 12:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: now we haven't got this agreed or written down properly yet, thats a big part of the issue here | 12:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: there is the API meeting in #openstack-meeting right now, might be worth raising the issue with them | 12:37 |
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| eliqiao1 | hi jogo, u r around? | 12:39 |
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| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, ok | 12:40 |
| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova-specs: Delete version specified code suggestion https://review.openstack.org/164229 | 12:42 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy / others: FYI thanks to patrickeast we now have the return of a dashboard that can show all Nova CIs and their recent performance. http://zuul.openstack.xenproject.org/scoreboard/?project=openstack%2Fnova&user=&timeframe=24 - useful to check CI stability | 12:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: so thats nice, might be good to have some kind of percentage, and percentage agreement with jenkins? I know they are missleading stats, but its interesting all the same | 12:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: does it report empty votes as a non-run? | 12:56 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, alex_xu so my point here is this - API version is a way to tell the client what features to expect | 12:57 |
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| ndipanov | if we shove bugfixes into microversions | 12:57 |
| ndipanov | we end up iwht a slightly different version of extensions | 12:58 |
| BobBall | Empty votes show as an empty box :) | 12:58 |
| BobBall | I think | 12:58 |
| ndipanov | where they are completely meaningless and no one can make any sense of them | 12:58 |
| ndipanov | becaues they mean everything | 12:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: so the whole API has a single version | 12:58 |
| BobBall | Dunno tbh. Will look at getting some overall percentage added but keen not to swamp the UI; particularly when things like disagreements with Jenkins don't mean much since Jenkins only tests one driver :) | 12:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: OK, i was expecting more empty boxes I guess | 12:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: they mean more than you expect though, I know in general its a little meaning less | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | ndipanov: microversion may include bug fix | 12:59 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: make host to return guest info https://review.openstack.org/191046 | 13:00 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: make host to return power state of guest https://review.openstack.org/191047 | 13:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova-specs: Proposes to check destination on migrations https://review.openstack.org/179224 | 13:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova: Remove cell api overrides for force-delete https://review.openstack.org/135202 | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: having said that, I still don't hear a good reason for yours needed a microversion bump right now | 13:01 |
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| alex_xu | I still didn't find a way to analysis all the case | 13:02 |
| ndipanov | the way I see microversions is this: client needs feature X available at 2.15 - there exists an unambiguous list of other features that you must also get | 13:02 |
| ndipanov | clear | 13:02 |
| bauzas | oh man, I forgot the api meeting :/ | 13:02 |
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| ndipanov | some bugfixes by their nature have to have a bump | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | nihilifer: for feature is pretty easy, need bump | 13:03 |
| ndipanov | but this one does not | 13:03 |
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| ndipanov | I mean it could | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | ndipanov: emm.... remove my -1, as I didn't get good answer by myself | 13:04 |
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| ndipanov | alex_xu, I mean it does change the behavior that was clearly wrong before | 13:05 |
| ndipanov | ok let's look at it like this | 13:06 |
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| ndipanov | 2.X - Boot request with an empty block device size would now get rejected, previously they would get accepted but | 13:06 |
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| ndipanov | the device would get ignored | 13:07 |
| ndipanov | (empty block device with no or 0 size)* | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | ndipanov: yes, but user may didn't found that, only found that when the server side updated. | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | ndipanov: then client break | 13:07 |
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| ndipanov | but you never want to not have this | 13:08 |
| moshele | johnthetubaguy: hi | 13:08 |
| ndipanov | becaue if their client was not breaking it was doing the wrong thing | 13:08 |
| ndipanov | just from a pragmatic standpoint - do we really have enough resources to support bug compatibility and to what end | 13:09 |
| ndipanov | in addition to it being noise to literally 100% of users | 13:09 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: although I usually hate advertising my changes over IRC, just wanted to inform you that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179224/ has a new release :) | 13:09 |
| bauzas | (that's specs review day, so I feel it important to make buzz:) | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | ndipanov: yea, the client shouldn't depend on that wrong behavior | 13:11 |
| ndipanov | that's exactly my point | 13:11 |
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| jogo | johnthetubaguy: heading out or the day, on a bus with spotty internet | 13:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jogo: cool, have a good one | 13:17 |
| jogo | have fun with the rest of spec review day | 13:17 |
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| tojuvone | johnthetubaguy: Related to "mark-host-down" there is also launchpad for novaclient corresponding change (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+spec/support-force-down-service). Does that need any special attention, or just to pass gerrit with the related code changes after "mark-host down" code is ready? | 13:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexander Schmidt proposed openstack/nova: serial console: enable live migration https://review.openstack.org/191035 | 13:28 |
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| kashyap | markus_z: You're right on that bug - it was accidentally set to incomplete. I was puzzled too yesterday | 13:35 |
| markus_z | kashyap: Which one do you mean? | 13:35 |
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| kashyap | markus_z: 1462305 | 13:36 |
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| markus_z | kashyap: ah, ok, good :) I'm still new to this and often unsure if there is some kind of hidden meaning | 13:36 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I'm tempted to say to defer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172412/10/specs/liberty/approved/get-service-by-id.rst,cm until the SG/Service merge is done, what's your opinion on that ? | 13:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: do you have a link to that other spec handy? | 13:53 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: you mean the SG merge ? | 13:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah | 13:54 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/ | 13:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: cool, thanks, agree with you btw, added a comment about that | 13:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: turns out the DB migration looks broken too | 13:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova: Consolidate the APIs for getting consoles https://review.openstack.org/148509 | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | superdan: weird, the flavor from sysmeta blob spec is marked as not implemented in the kilo specs page http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/kilo/ | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i'm going to move that to implemented since it could be confusing for support peeps | 14:22 |
| superdan | mriedem: heh, yeah | 14:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs: kilo: flavor-from-sysmeta-to-blob is implemented https://review.openstack.org/191091 | 14:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexander Schmidt proposed openstack/nova: WIP: serial console: enable live migration https://review.openstack.org/191035 | 14:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Allow non-admin to list all tenants based on policy https://review.openstack.org/191095 | 14:33 |
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| superdan | mriedem: what was that bug where libguestfs builds the appliance the first time and causes rpc timeouts? | 14:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: Adding user_id handling to keypair index, show and create api calls https://review.openstack.org/70485 | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: tests: functional tests for keypairs create in API microversion 2.5 https://review.openstack.org/183645 | 14:40 |
| mriedem | superdan: looking | 14:40 |
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| mriedem | superdan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1453666 | 14:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1453666 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirt: guestfs api makes nova-compute hang" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Qin Zhao (zhaoqin) | 14:41 |
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| tojuvone | Hey guys, can somebody answer to my question (at 16:27). So there is nova spec now accepted, but did different launchpad for novaclient as it couldn't be handled in nova-spec. Just wondered, how that will be handled as should kind of land at the same time with nova code | 14:49 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: you can use the Depends-On tag in the commit message if you need the novaclient change to depend on the nova change | 14:50 |
| tojuvone | ok, kind of new here so need to know ;) Thanks mriedem. Otherwise I guess spec in lauchpad is ok for novaclient and just code to gerrit. | 14:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Add virt resource update to ComputeNode object https://review.openstack.org/188525 | 14:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Convert RT compute_node to be a ComputeNode object https://review.openstack.org/160942 | 14:54 |
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| mriedem | tojuvone: you can have specs for novaclient in nova-specs | 14:55 |
| mriedem | or the nova spec could have just called out changes to novaclient | 14:56 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: you should at least link the blueprint in the commit message for the novaclient changes so they are tied together in launchpad's whiteboard | 14:56 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190346/ | 14:56 |
| mriedem | i had one spec for that and the nova piece is done, so now i'm working on the novaclient portion to use the new v2.1 api microversion (v2.4) | 14:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova-specs: propose additional code tree restructures https://review.openstack.org/191033 | 14:57 |
| sdague | ndipanov: sorry, was away earlier. Was there a resolution on your issue? | 14:57 |
| mriedem | sdague: alex_xu: i'm reading the release notes and this part is a bit confusing: | 14:57 |
| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Kilo#Upgrade_Notes_2 | 14:57 |
| mriedem | "Due to the improvement on Nova v2.1 API policy enforcement. There are a lot of change happened to v2.1 API policy. Because v2.1 API didn't released before, those change won't keep back-compatible. It is better to use policy sample configuration instead of old one." | 14:58 |
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| mriedem | sdague: alex_xu: would that be better written as: "Since the v2.1 API hasn't been officially supported before, the policy.conf has changed quite a bit so that most things are configurable via the policy.conf rather than hard-coded admin checks in the database API. When deploying the v2.1 API, one should use the sample policy file provided with Nova." ? | 14:58 |
| sdague | mriedem: hmmm... yeh, your wording is much much better. Also, we really should have provided some compatibility across that divide. :( | 14:58 |
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| sdague | superdan: I think you also had an opinion on the directory reorg - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191033/2/specs/liberty/approved/nova-api-remove-v3.rst,cm don't know if you commented on the original bit that landed | 15:00 |
| tojuvone | mriedem: ok, I first was doing it in nova-spec .rst ,but maybe misunderstood there that only REST API change should be there. My bad then taking the .rst topics too literally. In launchpad it is linked already :) | 15:00 |
| superdan | mriedem: thanks for that bug pointer | 15:00 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yes, your word is better,thanks | 15:01 |
| alex_xu | sdague: what the directory structure for api samples and unittests move like url structure also? | 15:01 |
| * mriedem is putting together support charts for kilo this morning... | 15:01 | |
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| sdague | alex_xu: eventually, yes, I think that would be more clear | 15:01 |
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| sdague | however, I think that can be done piecemeal over time | 15:02 |
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| sdague | I'd rather scope this to just the actual functional code I think | 15:02 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, so at least get rid of 'v3' from the path | 15:02 |
| sdague | alex_xu: sure | 15:02 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, got it, going to +1~ | 15:03 |
| sdague | if you think it needs to be called out explicitly, we can | 15:03 |
| sdague | also should get edleaf (though I don't know his friday nick) to comment | 15:03 |
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| mriedem | figleaf: ^ | 15:04 |
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| alex_xu | why people need friday nick? | 15:05 |
| superdan | alex_xu: it's required here | 15:05 |
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| superdan | alex_xu: I would recommend for you: "alexus" | 15:05 |
| kashyap | alex_xu: It's an "in-joke", members-only club kind of thing. | 15:05 |
| kashyap | No, not really. Just joking :-) | 15:05 |
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| alex_xu | ok...:) | 15:06 |
| alex_xu | superdan: ...how to explain alexus? | 15:06 |
| superdan | alex_xu: "lexus" is a nice car here | 15:06 |
| superdan | alex_xu: and if you take your normal nick, remove the _x and add an 's', you get 'alexus' :) | 15:06 |
| kashyap | superdan: lol | 15:07 |
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| alex_xu | superdan: hah :) | 15:07 |
| superdan | alex_xu: http://preview.netcarshow.com/Lexus-LF-LC_Blue_Concept-2012-hd.jpg | 15:07 |
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| figleaf | alex_xu: in the US there is the concept of "casual Friday". On Friday you can wear jeans or other less formal clothes to the office. | 15:08 |
| figleaf | alex_xu: so this is "casual nick Friday" | 15:08 |
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| alex_xu | figleaf: ah, I see now | 15:08 |
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| tojuvone | Then for all a question, that now as there is capability of API to mark/force host down (nova-compute), but same time all related VMs will remain in "invalid state" (active, running). As think there are different ways if to have that information correct, should I just start the discussion in nova meeting, if it would not be clear what to propose in blueprint (like minimum just when listing/querying VMs it could be visible | 15:10 |
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| superdan | tojuvone: I think it's clearest if you propose *something* in a spec that we can discuss | 15:10 |
| superdan | tojuvone: having something proposed is better than just trying to have a discussion about the general topic | 15:11 |
| superdan | better meaning, more productive normally | 15:11 |
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| superdan | sdague: fix yer' typo and I'm good | 15:11 |
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| alexus | sdague: back to topic, I'm fine with now. | 15:13 |
| tojuvone | dansmith: ok, thanks :) Needed to ask as thought it might have more aspects, while surely they will be then discussed in blueprint :) | 15:13 |
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| figleaf | alexus: +1 to your Friday nick. Makes you look classy :) http://www.lexus.com/ | 15:14 |
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| alexus | figleaf: hah, thanks to superdan ~ | 15:14 |
| tojuvone | Now I know what to do on weekend :D | 15:15 |
| figleaf | alexus: and in case you were wondering about my nick: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_leaf | 15:15 |
| superdan | tojuvone: it's just that general problem, where you say "what time is good for everyone?" and get no answers. If you say "How about tuesday at 11?" then you get answers :) | 15:15 |
| alexus | figleaf: ok....long artical...but I get that from picture... | 15:16 |
| figleaf | alexus: :) | 15:17 |
| superdan | haha | 15:17 |
| tojuvone | superdan: yes, understood. Surely yes, blueprint can be visible to all when they have time. Was just wondering the initial starting point, but maybe it is clear enough :) | 15:18 |
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| sdague | superdan: ok, looking and fixing | 15:19 |
| superdan | tojuvone: yeah, I think if you bring it up in a meeting, you'll see "meh, write a spec and we'll see" :) | 15:19 |
| bauwser | figleaf: fun, here in France, we call that 'grape leaf' | 15:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova-specs: propose additional code tree restructures https://review.openstack.org/191033 | 15:20 |
| sdague | ok, typos fixed | 15:20 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy / jogo - as you +2ed / approved the landed version, you want to take a look https://review.openstack.org/191033 ? | 15:21 |
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| superdan | sdague: got it | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: looking now | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, so thats a nice structure, good call | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: that should help with the policy stuff huge chunk | 15:24 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, that was my thinking as well. The more we reflect the api resource structure back in the tree, the more naturual that will become in other things we do | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: good stuff, at least I think it is | 15:26 |
| mriedem | we didn't have many known issues in kilo :) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Kilo#Known_Issues_2 | 15:27 |
| mriedem | i'm sure that's a lie | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: we could just link to the bug tracker I guess... | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: that was the stuff that got marked as release blocking and didn't get fixed | 15:27 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: marked as relase blocking how? kilo-rc-potential + status:New? | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I think they were all target at some point | 15:28 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 15:28 |
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| mriedem | i have a feeling the tags were all changed | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: not sure we ever really finished the release notes | 15:29 |
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| mriedem | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/2015.1.0 | 15:30 |
| mriedem | ? | 15:30 |
| mriedem | sorry support people | 15:30 |
| mriedem | that's not really known issues | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: thats fixed issues right? | 15:30 |
| mriedem | yeah | 15:30 |
| alexus | sdague: one more case for needn't bump microvrsion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188913/ hope get your comment when you have time | 15:31 |
| mriedem | anything in the workarounds group is really known issues | 15:31 |
| mriedem | imo | 15:31 |
| mriedem | we have the evacuate workaround in the release notes, we should probably just add the others in the [workarounds] group | 15:31 |
| mriedem | i can do that | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, thats probably fair, its worth adding I guess | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: just last time we added stuff it caused a twitter storm, but I am trying to ignore that | 15:31 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah and i'm pretty sure jlk is never going to live that down | 15:32 |
| mriedem | and we updated the release note to say "NOTE: This is not a regression and has been a flaw in the design of the evacuate feature since its introduction. There is no easy fix for this, hence this workaround to limit the potential for damage." | 15:32 |
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| sdague | alexus: so... I'm trying to work out the user interaction before and after | 15:32 |
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| sdague | before, they specified this thing, and what happened? | 15:33 |
| sdague | did it explode? did is silently fail? | 15:33 |
| alexus | sdague: just success without any fail | 15:33 |
| sdague | alexus: but it didn't do what the user thought right? | 15:34 |
| alexus | sdague: yes | 15:34 |
| sdague | it's feeling like it's just a straight bug to me in that the code was asked to do a thing, it didn't, and it didn't say why. | 15:35 |
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| alexus | sdague: no, it isn't valid request | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: of course not :) | 15:37 |
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| sdague | alexus: right, so it's never been a valid request, and currently we're silently failing and saying we did the thing the user expected. I'm not sure encoding that error path is useful to anyone. But I'm sure superdan will beat me up for saying that :) | 15:38 |
| sdague | alexus: where is the "when do I need a microversion" doc? Maybe I can start assembling more of these there as a flow chart. | 15:38 |
| alexus | sdague: here is https://review.openstack.org/187896 | 15:39 |
| sdague | alexus: so... do we want to do a nova specific version of this first? because it's going to take a while to get api-wg agreement in this space I think | 15:40 |
| sdague | and we need local guidelines | 15:40 |
| alexus | sdague: I'm ok with local one, and also think it need going to take a while~ | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: alexus: +1 for getting something merged locally | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | I like pointing to things | 15:41 |
| superdan | sdague: I'm feeing uncombative today | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso proposed openstack/nova: Added new scheduler filter: AggregateTypeExtraSpecsAffinityFilter https://review.openstack.org/189279 | 15:42 |
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| figleaf | superdan: wow, you should see a doctor about that | 15:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Cleanup wording for the disable_libvirt_livesnapshot workaround option https://review.openstack.org/191122 | 15:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Cleanup wording for the disable_libvirt_livesnapshot workaround option https://review.openstack.org/191122 | 15:51 |
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| lexloofer | johnthetubaguy: what would happen if an operator had indexed (id, deleted) and I tried to contract away the deleted column please? | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: in what case, you mean with the online migrations stuff? | 15:56 |
| lexloofer | johnthetubaguy: yep | 15:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: I think it would just drop that so its consistent with the model, actually it would do that regardless of any related changes... because it doesn't match the model | 15:57 |
| figleaf | lexloofer: I noted that in my review. All deleted rows would have to first be purged, and then the indexes updated. | 15:58 |
| lexloofer | johnthetubaguy: ooh that's exciting | 15:58 |
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| sdague | ok, let me do the comments back on the novaclient microversion bit, then I'll try to put together the choose your own adventure on when do I need a microversion | 15:58 |
| lexloofer | figleaf: yes, I can reasonably update all our indexes but not those of operators :) | 15:58 |
| figleaf | lexloofer: ah, well that would be covered in the "documented clearly in the release notes" section. :) | 15:59 |
| lexloofer | figleaf: heehee | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: its a DB diff, so yeah, it just drops any operator specific stuff | 15:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: at least I think thats what it does right now | 16:00 |
| lexloofer | johnthetubaguy: that's pretty spicy | 16:00 |
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| mriedem | markus_z: did you ever propose a change to the nova hypervisor support matrix in stable/kilo for s390x kvm support? | 16:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: thats why its experimental and we are maintaining both sets of migrations while we work out whats acceptable and whats not | 16:00 |
| mriedem | markus_z: b/c i don't see it here http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/kilo/support-matrix.html | 16:00 |
| markus_z | mriedem: jepp | 16:00 |
| mriedem | link? | 16:00 |
| lexloofer | johnthetubaguy: ok cool, thank you | 16:01 |
| markus_z | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186335/ | 16:01 |
| danpb | mriedem: try looking at master instead of kilo | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: i suspect there will be lots of issues like that that crop up | 16:01 |
| mriedem | danpb: yeah i know, i did, but i'm writing support charts for kilo | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: and we can decide how to fix that | 16:01 |
| mriedem | so i don't want people thinking something works in kilo if it doesn't b/c of the master support matrix | 16:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: personally I want those indexes to get pushed upstream where possible, so that problem goes away, but thats probably not realistic, but it asks that question | 16:02 |
| danpb | mriedem: guess someone needs to approve the backport in stable then | 16:02 |
| lexloofer | johnthetubaguy: it certainly encourages that! I don't see any reason indexes can't go upstream tbh, it's probably just that DBAs aren't used to contributing | 16:03 |
| markus_z | mriedem: danpb: Another review wants to add the "serial console" feature to the matrix (if this is relevant for you): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180912/ | 16:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | figleaf: that online stuff doesn't have the "fix" to align it with data migrations right now, thats a follow on step | 16:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: so thats what I think the real answer is, and yeah, it totally forces the issue | 16:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: so there is a fun work around... | 16:03 |
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| mriedem | danpb: the backport needs work, i'm commenting now | 16:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: it produces the SQL queries and prints to the console, so you can hand edit the scripts if you need to on your environment (while you get them upstream...) | 16:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: if you could get someone to push up those indexes, btw, that would be awesome | 16:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Baodong (Robert) Li proposed openstack/nova: Handle port delete initiated by neutron https://review.openstack.org/179390 | 16:05 |
| lexloofer | johnthetubaguy: yeah it's on my list... | 16:05 |
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| mriedem | markus_z: commented https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186335/ | 16:06 |
| mriedem | markus_z: you need to squash the two changes to the support matrix for the kilo backport | 16:06 |
| mriedem | and reference the backport for the live migration fix in the commit message for context | 16:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | lexloofer: cool | 16:06 |
| markus_z | mriedem: ok. work wok | 16:08 |
| markus_z | *work | 16:08 |
| mriedem | markus_z: i added some virt driver people to the serial console one to comment on that support in their driver | 16:09 |
| mriedem | i don't know who the contact person is for parallels support | 16:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: so a fun cells spec if you fancy it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169901/3/specs/liberty/approved/add-buildrequest-obj.rst,cm | 16:12 |
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| superdan | johnthetubaguy: i'm in the middle of that one right now | 16:12 |
| markus_z | mriedem: I'll send an email on the ML for that. | 16:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: awesome, thank you | 16:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Roman Bogorodskiy proposed openstack/nova-specs: nova.network.linux_net refactor https://review.openstack.org/191138 | 16:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Roman Bogorodskiy proposed openstack/nova-specs: nova.network.linux_net refactor https://review.openstack.org/191138 | 16:14 |
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| lexloofer | superdan: you asked me to list the higher-level thing which uses each query for deleted rows. What level were you looking for please? It'd take some digging to figure out that EG Horizon calls a given DB API function | 16:15 |
| superdan | lexloofer: what I meant was "this fixed_ip_get() call is triggered from doing a 'get all instances changed since $foo' call in the api" or something like that | 16:16 |
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| superdan | lexloofer: the actual DB API calls are good to know, but to know *why* they're called with read_deleted, we need to know what the context of the request is | 16:16 |
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| lexloofer | superdan: OK I can trace to the external API or internal component | 16:17 |
| lexloofer | superdan: btw not all are called with read_deleted, many just use it internally | 16:17 |
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| superdan | johnthetubaguy: alaski: -1d the spec for a couple details, hope that's okay | 16:18 |
| lexloofer | superdan: so thinking about that - is it just the ones which take it as a parameter you're interested in the wider context for? | 16:18 |
| superdan | lexloofer: ah, well, that's another good thing to note | 16:18 |
| superdan | lexloofer: I think we need to know all of them that depend on it in any way.. some may provide the ability to read_deleted, but are never called that way, others may require it internally, others may just use it because context says to as part of an API call, etc | 16:19 |
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| lexloofer | superdan: OK. What I'm going to do is push a new version as WIP then trace all this next week and add it. Thanks for looking | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack/nova-specs: Nova API Microversions support in NovaClient https://review.openstack.org/188410 | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/nova-specs: No more soft delete https://review.openstack.org/184645 | 16:21 |
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| superdan | lexloofer: okay cool | 16:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova-specs: Allow list all instances for non-admin based on policy https://review.openstack.org/191151 | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Allow non-admin to list all tenants based on policy https://review.openstack.org/191095 | 16:51 |
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| markus_z | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186335/ | 16:55 |
| markus_z | mriedem: I overlooked the example you provided, sorry. Is the message understandable the way I did it? | 16:56 |
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| larsks | Nova (Kilo) seems to have an erroneous idea of how much local disk space is available, which I think may be preventing instances from launching. Is this a known problem? | 17:02 |
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| superdan | larsks: which hypervisor? | 17:05 |
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| larsks | libvirt/kvm | 17:05 |
| superdan | okay, it's a known problem with vmware because we're not accurately reporting their resources | 17:05 |
| superdan | I don't know of any such issues with libvirt though | 17:05 |
| superdan | although I think there is a race between boots and successive resource reports, but not sure | 17:06 |
| larsks | Huh. This isn't the first time I've hit this. /var/lib/nova has 40GB available; local_gb is 39 and local_gb_used is 40 in the database (-1GB available!) while the actual filesystem only has 3 or so GB in use. | 17:06 |
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| larsks | superdan: Also, nova seems to be aware of the problem: Host openstack.local has more disk space than database expected (34gb > -1gb) | 17:09 |
| larsks | ...but the db never gets updated to reflect that. | 17:09 |
| superdan | larsks: so, I think someone told me at one point that we report disk usage by what we think is used based on the instance sizes, not the actual df output | 17:09 |
| superdan | larsks: do you have some instances in ERROR state/ | 17:09 |
| larsks | I have some isntances in SHUTDOWN state. Let me check those out... | 17:10 |
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| superdan | those count, of course | 17:10 |
| larsks | Yeah. Iiiinteresting, that's the first explanation I've seen of how the resource calculation works. | 17:11 |
| larsks | That was totally it, of course. | 17:11 |
| larsks | 2 * m1.small == 40GB | 17:11 |
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| superdan | I think that is done so that we account for the fact that qcow2 disks could be taking up only 2G right now, but could quickly inflate to 40G | 17:13 |
| superdan | so we consider the virtual size instead of the actual df -h output right now | 17:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the old sparse disk issue I guess, good point... | 17:13 |
| larsks | Yeah. Although now I wish that there was an overcommit option of some sort. | 17:14 |
| superdan | yeah, you don't want the scheduler stacking 1TB worth of instances on your system just because you keep having 20GB free for five minutes :) | 17:14 |
| larsks | Yeah. | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | updates on spec review day... | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | > Projects: [u'nova-specs'] --> Total Open Reviews: 103 --> Waiting on Submitter: 79 --> Waiting on Reviewer: 24 | 17:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Daniel Bonnetot proposed openstack/nova-specs: Sort instances if possible inside an host aggregate https://review.openstack.org/182758 | 17:14 |
| superdan | larsks: well, we overcommit memory and perf sucks.. we overcommit disk and kittens die | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | Stats since the latest revision: Average wait time: 2 days, 1 hours, 0 minutes, Number waiting more than 7 days: 1 | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | seeing some improvements | 17:15 |
| larsks | superdan: oh, totally; I understand the reasoning. But with my operator hat on, I don't want a system to stop me from hanging myself :) | 17:15 |
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| superdan | larsks: hah | 17:15 |
| superdan | larsks: sudo hang-self | 17:16 |
| larsks | Exactly :) | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | increase the storage overcommit ratio? | 17:16 |
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| superdan | johnthetubaguy: we don't actually have one of those, do we? | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: so I figured we had a setting for everything, maybe we don't | 17:17 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: we do for memory, but not for disk that I know of (or can find), presumably because of the massive potential for problems | 17:17 |
| larsks | superdan: eh, no worries. Now that I understand why nova was reporting -1GB available I won't be confused by it again. | 17:18 |
| superdan | ah: | 17:19 |
| superdan | # Virtual disk to physical disk allocation ratio (floating | 17:19 |
| superdan | # point value) | 17:19 |
| superdan | #disk_allocation_ratio=1.0 | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/4cf6ef68199183697a0209751575f88fe5b2a733/nova/scheduler/filters/disk_filter.py#L25 | 17:19 |
| superdan | larsks: ^ | 17:19 |
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| superdan | heh, yeah | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 17:19 |
| larsks | Hey, cool. | 17:19 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: there really should be a "please sign this waver and mail to johnthetubaguy before changing this value" | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: +1 | 17:19 |
| superdan | comment | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: I wish we could tag conf values with stuff like "there-be-dragons" | 17:20 |
| superdan | "alternately, tweet from your corporate account 'we hate our users'" | 17:20 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: yeah | 17:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | superdan: so given how vhd chains works, we run with 0.5 allocation ratio... since snapshotted VMs can grow twice as big (in the general case) as their root disk | 17:21 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: yeah, 0.5 means you only intentionally fill half the disk, yes/ | 17:22 |
| superdan | ? | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | well actually, we don't use that filter, but its the thought that counts | 17:22 |
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| superdan | hah | 17:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eugeniya Kudryashova proposed openstack/nova: Remove duplicated code in consoles https://review.openstack.org/191155 | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: basically only half fill the disk relative to the flavor root disk usage (but we only count ephemeral disks once) | 17:23 |
| ijw | johnthetubaguy: yo | 17:23 |
| superdan | ah | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | ijw: hi | 17:23 |
| ijw | How sure are you that the VIF plugging scripts are the right answer? I reckon we're missing a trick there | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | ijw: I am not sure, but it seems like a good compromise thats worth a try | 17:25 |
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| ijw | Well, it's harmless, but I have various issues with it | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ijw: is this the before vs after xml generation think you mention? | 17:26 |
| ijw | Both | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can't remember the other one now... | 17:26 |
| superdan | I hate the script approach, FWIW | 17:27 |
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| superdan | I'm not really sure what I'd prefer, but I don't like the scripts | 17:27 |
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| ijw | Before, the issue is that Neutron says it's delivering binding type <x>, but I guess that contract is satisfied if and only if you also promise to run the nominated script (though I'm not a massive fan of running a script with an absolute path locally that just happens to have been returned in a REST call, but that's not really core to the argument) | 17:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | superdan: I can't say I like but, but I haven't got a better suggestion yet either... | 17:28 |
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| ijw | The other part is that the contract still has a lot of preagreed stuff in it, like 'I will eventually be creating a TAP interface with name <x> and somehow I will manage to do it despite the fact that Neutron might not have done its work yet' | 17:28 |
| ijw | The agreement on name irritates me, the race conditions might make this unworkable. | 17:29 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: the only ideas I have aren't polite to mention in mixed company | 17:29 |
| ijw | I have a more drastic proposal but I strongly suspect no-one will like it | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: something involving a big fire, and ritual dancing? | 17:29 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: that might work :) | 17:29 |
| ijw | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-neutron-extensible-binding | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | ijw: its worth suggesting I think, goes to look... | 17:30 |
| alaski | superdan: johnthetubaguy I'm finally in the office for the day. going to catch up on scrollback a bit and then jump in | 17:30 |
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| superdan | lascii: cool, I just asked for a teensy bit of extra detail in the build request one | 17:30 |
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| ijw | That aside I put up some specs that are in review that cover the amazing psychic powers required on both sides to use the interface as it exists, but they don't touch address scripting or extension so I think they're safer bets | 17:30 |
| superdan | lascii: but I approved at least one more of yours to pay for it | 17:30 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: I think that a neutron-provided library with a stable interface that we call into to do the plug would be better | 17:31 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: that way if they want to have out-of-tree drivers, they hide that from us in the library, however they'd like to do that | 17:31 |
| ijw | superdan: read that. See what you think | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: like what we hope brick will become? | 17:32 |
| ijw | It can't really be nova-provided or neutron-provided; it has to know what's going on on both sides to really work | 17:32 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: we call into the library and say "yo dawg, what do I do with a $vif_type thing" and it either says "can't do that" or barfs up the deets | 17:32 |
| ijw | superdan: read above plus https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190917/ | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: yeah, I thinking the same for glance and cinder too really, I guess it would be nice for neutron too | 17:32 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: right | 17:32 |
| superdan | ijw: I will add it to the queue | 17:33 |
| superdan | however, | 17:33 |
| superdan | it's currently sourced by nova right now, and just a pain to update, so I don't think I agree with your argument that it can't be done by either | 17:33 |
| superdan | and I think we should be able to come up with an interface to consume | 17:33 |
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| superdan | if not, then maybe we should rethink how we've designed these two services to leave a gaping hole in the middle | 17:33 |
| ijw | superdan: let me give you an example - vhostuser is a new plugging type for libvirt/qemu that's been around for ages and took a very long while to turn up in Nova, despite the fact that we could have used it from Neutron long ago - that's an instance where what Nova does is intimately tied with what Neutron requires | 17:34 |
| ijw | Conversely, if the next vhostuser turned up, you'd need to write different hypervisor config and that might change with Nova version, so that's a case where the same bit of code is intimately ties with what Nova requires | 17:34 |
| superdan | I don't get that | 17:35 |
| ijw | Which bit? | 17:35 |
| vilobhmm | johtthetubaguy : I went through your comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/6/specs/liberty/approved/servicegroup-api-control-plane.rst and I agree…will keep https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/ to focus on (which infact was my plan when first drafted the spec) everything goes through sg api interface and as part of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138607/ will add more deatisl on how undelying tooz non-db drivers wil | 17:35 |
| superdan | the library can know (or be told) what we support, and can say "sorry libvirt $foo doesn't support vhostuser" right? | 17:35 |
| superdan | the library would have to be hypervisor-specific, just like plugging is today | 17:36 |
| ijw | It can and it does, but that doesn't help me if I know how to write a vhostuser Neutron driver and yet I can't make use of it because to implement it in Nova I need not to add a bit of plugged in code but change a file in the nova package I'm using. I want to be permitted to do this without changing files in the core of Nova. | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: I resent the implication anyone designed the interaction, it is a massive bodge, but +1 the rest of your points, just need to find someone to do it | 17:36 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: lol :) | 17:37 |
| ijw | superdan: on the 'I don't support this', the review link above does precisely that | 17:37 |
| ijw | That's just an attempt to bring some sanity to the process | 17:37 |
| superdan | ijw: I get that you don't want to be blocked on nova, I don't want you blocked either, so you'd add to neutron and add to this library and deploy a system with the new capabilities, presumably without needing to modify nova | 17:37 |
| superdan | if you can do it in a script, you can do it in a much more well-behaved library | 17:37 |
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| ijw | Add what library? | 17:38 |
| superdan | this new fictitious library I'm making up... called "neutron-plugging-goo" | 17:38 |
| superdan | which nova consumes to plug things it doesn't understand, and to which it passes the details neutron gave it | 17:39 |
| ijw | The VIF plugging script doesn't help me if I want to use, say, ivshmem when I talk to a VM. That's not a binding type that Nova support (at least, let's assume it isn't, I'm fishing for an example here) and it has to write a chunk of libvirt config file that is in agreement with what Nova is doing elsewhere | 17:39 |
| superdan | why this isn't just a local socket connection to the neutron L2 agent also escapes me, FWIW | 17:39 |
| ijw | Well, it helps if you have an L2 agent, which you don't always | 17:39 |
| superdan | well, then it's a library in that case, or always for simplicity, or we say the agent is always there for this reason, but... | 17:40 |
| superdan | right, so the thing needs to barf up some libvirt xml, right? | 17:40 |
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| ijw | Yeah, and it needs to suit the Nova I'm running today, and it needs to work somehow on upgrade, and that would be the point of the etherpad above. | 17:42 |
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| ijw | I took the 'just run the bloody python' approach but you could have it as an external process, works both ways. It's just that it has a more complex relationship with Neutron than the current VIF plugging | 17:43 |
| superdan | ijw: elaborate on "suit the nova I'm running today" | 17:43 |
| ijw | With Nova | 17:43 |
| superdan | you mostly mean "the libvirt and qemu I'm running today" right? | 17:43 |
| sdague | larsks: the system is in python. You can hang yourself all you want through monkey patching :) | 17:43 |
| ijw | And the way that the virt driver chooses to write config files | 17:43 |
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| beagles | mleroy, the guy who started this stuff with the script actually started with an approach akin to to an API and it got rejected. Some historical stuff: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/thread.html | 17:43 |
| beagles | superdan, johnthetubaguy ^^ | 17:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | this plugin thin would probably land on the other side of the library if such a thing came about... not sure that helps | 17:44 |
| superdan | beagles: a script is still an API, it's just a shitty one | 17:44 |
| beagles | up wrong link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052509.html | 17:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am still musing on this | 17:44 |
| superdan | beagles: and fwiw, | 17:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | beagles: I am wondering if we need to put a seam in here, and start calling it a library that moves into neutron, once we have a stable interface | 17:45 |
| superdan | beagles: I think the proposal there was for nova to provide an out-of-tree api, and that's not what I'm proposing | 17:45 |
| superdan | beagles: I'm proposing we have a strong contract with a library, and that library can have the out-of-tree-good-freaking-luck plugin architecture if it wants it | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: beagles: ah, so the out-of-tree thing would have made people upset, thats true... | 17:46 |
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| ijw | superdan: I would think about a script as being a piece of code that is denied access to Nova's internal stuff - so a better enforced API in some respects. (That aside I tend to agree that cross-process passing of lotsof data is nasty) | 17:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | superdan: so the lib can evolve out of the nova code, like oslo incubator I guess...? | 17:46 |
| superdan | ijw: we still define the API well. if the library is actually nefarious, then that's a different problem I'm not too concerned about | 17:46 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: maybe, yeah | 17:47 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: define the api around the existing code and then forklift it out? | 17:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: basically yeah | 17:47 |
| ijw | superdan: I'm not sure having the API a layer away from Nova is really gaining you a great deal, but if that's what you want (Nova to call a library maintained by Neutron that itself offers an interface to the plugin) we could do that. | 17:47 |
| superdan | johnthetubaguy: also, we then have our own internal implementation of that thing for nova-network | 17:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: right | 17:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: oh, well, maybe | 17:47 |
| superdan | ijw: I think that gives us plausible deniability | 17:47 |
| superdan | which after all, is what we really want :P | 17:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | superdan: I was thinking, making the people who care own both sides of the picture so they can fix things, but deep down, I think I am trying to say the same thing | 17:48 |
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| ijw | superdan: the concern is that Neutron drivers, if they want new configs for hypervisors, have to know a lot about what Nova is doing with those hypervisors - so there's a certain implicit contract with the drivers | 17:49 |
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| superdan | ijw: don't the vif drivers in nova right now have that same close relation? | 17:50 |
| superdan | I guess my point is: you say you don't want to have to land things in nova to support new things at the virt driver layer, but you also don't want to have to know the details of the virt driver | 17:50 |
| superdan | there's some cake consumption there somewhere :D | 17:50 |
| superdan | TBH, I really didn't mean to get all wrapped up in this conversation | 17:52 |
| superdan | all I wanted to say was that I hate the script approach | 17:52 |
| lascii | +1 | 17:52 |
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| lascii | I'm in favor of an api that lives outside of the virt drivers, preferably in Neutron, to handle this stuff | 17:53 |
| superdan | beagles: I don't see anywhere in your spec where you give an actual example of the script's input and output | 17:53 |
| superdan | beagles: and just to be clear, the API reply from neutron includes a "go exec this path please" sort of thing, yes? | 17:54 |
| ijw | superdan: No, actually I'm saying that if you end up with these scripts, firstly you need to select the code you run carefully based on consideration of what Nova and Neutron both want (hypervisor, binding_type, hypervisor driver version) and secondly because it's dependent on both it actually makes more sense to keep it independent of both, in some respects. | 17:55 |
| beagles | superdan, not sure what you mean by the last question. API reply meaning neutron passes back a script name? | 17:55 |
| superdan | beagles: the last one was mostly rhetorical, so nevermind :) | 17:56 |
| beagles | heh | 17:56 |
| ijw | superdan: in any case, yes | 17:56 |
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| superdan | ijw: well, yeah, we could try to model it in some way to make it less tied together if that's what you mean | 17:56 |
| superdan | ijw: tbh, until we write a couple examples, I'm not sure it'll be crystal clear anyway | 17:57 |
| ijw | superdan: read the etherpad, bitch about the fact it pulls in foreign code. | 17:57 |
| superdan | ijw: I think you and I are not too far off in terms of what we want | 17:57 |
| ijw | superdan: it has an example | 17:57 |
| superdan | okay | 17:57 |
| ijw | I don't like the unsanitary nature of pulling code in, but I really don't like running another process to do the job | 17:58 |
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| ijw | ... up to around 20 times per VM start... | 17:58 |
| ijw | And I think the relationship it has with its hypervisor is somewhat codependent | 17:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: WIP switch to using os-brick https://review.openstack.org/175569 | 18:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | xing-yang proposed openstack/nova-specs: EMC ScaleIO Data Client Libvirt Volume Driver https://review.openstack.org/181941 | 18:05 |
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| superdan | beagles: I'm going to use some strong language in my review of that spec, mostly for effect.. okay? :D | 18:08 |
| beagles | superdan, yup - fire away :) | 18:08 |
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| beagles | personally I like implementations of the chain-of-responsibility but where we don't have an enforced process boundary I can see the argument for a "call out" kind of deal | 18:09 |
| superdan | beagles: process execs cost real cycles | 18:10 |
| superdan | beagles: if people are going to write their plugins in python then it's really expensive | 18:10 |
| superdan | if they're going to write them in bash, then ... holy crap. | 18:10 |
| beagles | superdan, true.. not like we aren't doing that already for stuff though. Like a lot | 18:11 |
| superdan | beagles: yeah and it sucks bigtime | 18:11 |
| beagles | and it all goes through rootwrap.. | 18:11 |
| vilobhmm | bauzas : ping | 18:11 |
| superdan | beagles: see the performance gain we get from not using rootwrap | 18:11 |
| superdan | heh | 18:11 |
| beagles | all kinda gross | 18:11 |
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| beagles | s/and/an/ | 18:12 |
| beagles | btw... we don't do the xml thing | 18:14 |
| beagles | superdan, | 18:14 |
| beagles | ^ | 18:14 |
| beagles | superdan, it's purely about the type of operations that involve connecting what the hypervisor provides to something neutron might provide through some specific command like "brctl add foobr tap-89d9f9f999" or some such | 18:15 |
| superdan | beagles: something still has to generate the xml for libvirt, right? | 18:16 |
| superdan | but, all the more reason not to make it an exec that does an exec | 18:16 |
| superdan | and, that's what I wanted in the way of more detail there about what is going on | 18:16 |
| beagles | yeah, it works in conjunction with what nova already supports for the hypervisor | 18:16 |
| beagles | superdan, I think that's pretty much covered in there if not completely explicit | 18:17 |
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| beagles | superdan, e.g. danpb's comments regarding having nova support what the hypervisor supports for vif types "natively" and that's it, everything else is up to neutron via that script thing | 18:18 |
| beagles | we don't touch the XML for this thing... though it comes up in conversation sometimes as a related but separate thing | 18:19 |
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| superdan | beagles: so adding a new thing that requires new XML is still something we have to change in nova? | 18:21 |
| superdan | I don't see how this actually helps then | 18:21 |
| sdague | superdan: process exec for hotpluging doesn't seem that egregious, we're making all kinds of other call outs via rootwrap during setup, it's just one of those. | 18:21 |
| sdague | not that it solves things either, but the cycle cost doesn't seem like the thing to focus on | 18:22 |
| superdan | sdague: it's an exec in the end anyway, yeah | 18:22 |
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| superdan | sdague: flattening the whole neutron response into environment variables and calling a thing that neutron tells us to call is just silly, IMHO | 18:22 |
| beagles | superdan, the example I like to use (purely academic mind you cuz it is already there). Neutron's current security group implementation with OVS requires a bridge to be interposed between the vm and the OVS bridge | 18:22 |
| beagles | superdan, so that makes nova create a bridged vif and a veth pair to bridge the linuxbridge to the ovs integration bridge | 18:23 |
| beagles | superdan, all of that code had to be supported in nova, linux_net.py specifically | 18:23 |
| vladikr | superdan, beagles, just fyi that there is a similar mechanism for hooks, in ovirt, http://www.ovirt.org/VDSM-Hooks, maybe it'll be useful. | 18:24 |
| vladikr | https://github.com/oVirt/vdsm/blob/master/vdsm/hooks.py | 18:24 |
| vladikr | :) | 18:24 |
| beagles | superdan, the script can actually replace that linux net code | 18:24 |
| superdan | beagles: yeah, that has nothing to do with it needing to be a script, right? | 18:24 |
| superdan | vladikr: yeah, it's pretty common I think | 18:25 |
| beagles | superdan, nope... it is just an explanation of the scope of those operations | 18:25 |
| beagles | s/explanation/illustration/ | 18:25 |
| superdan | beagles: so you said you thought all the details were already in the doc.. does that mean you don't want to add to it? | 18:26 |
| beagles | superdan, no of course not :) | 18:26 |
| beagles | umm | 18:27 |
| beagles | that's pretty ambiguous | 18:27 |
| beagles | superdan, no, of course I'll add it :) | 18:27 |
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| superdan | okay | 18:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: tests: functional tests for keypairs create in API microversion 2.5 https://review.openstack.org/183645 | 18:27 |
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| sdague | so, I'm going to say a crazy thing, then superdan can yell at me | 18:29 |
| sdague | what if this interface looked like: plugdevice name for_libvirt options... | 18:30 |
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| sdague | and the library/script whatever also knew how to build the snippets of config for the hypervisors | 18:30 |
| sdague | so it was the NxM matrix | 18:30 |
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| superdan | sdague: did you read my comments in the spec? :) | 18:31 |
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| sdague | I'm reading the spec now, but it's friday brain, so I'm slow | 18:32 |
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| superdan | sdague: well, I think I pretty much said "why don't we have..." and then what you said above | 18:33 |
| sdague | oh, ok, so you won't yell at me then | 18:33 |
| superdan | I'll find another reason | 18:33 |
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| sdague | the nice thing is if we had all the code in a library, and our contract with said library was firm, we could pump that out pretty often, and devices would get supported even on older openstacks | 18:34 |
| superdan | sdague: yes | 18:34 |
| sdague | which seems kind of awesome actually | 18:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add BuildRequest object https://review.openstack.org/169901 | 18:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: Adding user_id handling to keypair index, show and create api calls https://review.openstack.org/70485 | 18:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: tests: functional tests for keypairs create in API microversion 2.5 https://review.openstack.org/183645 | 18:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova: Document when we should have a microversion https://review.openstack.org/191188 | 18:55 |
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| sdague | superdan / johnthetubaguy / alexus ^^^ | 18:58 |
| sdague | it's a beginning | 18:58 |
| vilobhmm | melwitt , bauzas : jfyi, have replied to your queries/questions https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/6/specs/liberty/approved/servicegroup-api-control-plane.rst…hth | 19:00 |
| sdague | ok, I think it's beer-o-clock-o-friday. Have a good weekend folks. | 19:03 |
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| melwitt | vilobhmm: thanks, responded | 19:11 |
| vilobhmm | melwitt : thanks…lemme check | 19:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brent Eagles proposed openstack/nova-specs: VIF plug script support for Nova https://review.openstack.org/162468 | 19:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Taylor Peoples proposed openstack/nova: Warn when CONF torrent_base_url is missing slash https://review.openstack.org/191196 | 19:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Walter A. Boring IV (hemna) proposed openstack/nova: WIP switch to using os-brick https://review.openstack.org/175569 | 19:38 |
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| vilobhmm | melwitt : thanks much for the review..i have replied to your comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/6/specs/liberty/approved/servicegroup-api-control-plane.rst | 19:49 |
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| bauwser | vilobhmm: hey | 19:59 |
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| bauwser | vilobhmm: (note we're on Friday) | 20:00 |
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| vilobhmm | bauwser : hey | 20:05 |
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| vilobhmm | what does that mean ? | 20:05 |
| bauwser | vilobhmm: Friday nicks | 20:06 |
| bauwser | vilobhmm: I'm bauzas | 20:06 |
| vilobhmm | ok okay :P | 20:06 |
| vilobhmm | will remember that henceforth….so bauwser : replied to your questions https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/6/specs/liberty/approved/servicegroup-api-control-plane.rst hth | 20:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Only set access_ip_* when instance goes ACTIVE https://review.openstack.org/129333 | 20:07 |
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| bauwser | vilobhmm: ack, will do that by monday | 20:10 |
| vilobhmm | thank you! | 20:10 |
| vilobhmm | bauwser : ^^ | 20:10 |
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| leakypipes | mriedem: MSP is the right/nearest airport for Rochester, yes? | 20:19 |
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| mriedem | leakypipes: the rochester airport is technically the closest, but you'll likely have to take a hop from MSP to RST | 20:20 |
| mriedem | which might not be worth it to just rent a car in minneapolis and drive the 90 minutes down | 20:20 |
| leakypipes | mriedem: gotcha... I see the Sprints page has info on it. sorry to bother ya. :) | 20:20 |
| mriedem | leakypipes: bother away | 20:20 |
| mriedem | i'm only giving myself headaches with regex and sed | 20:20 |
| jroll | leakypipes: superdan: any interest on spending time on the ironic compute model stuff at the midcycle? | 20:21 |
| dimsum__ | leakypipes: mriedem: i was chasing a bug and looks like it needs a microversion, so i went ahead and filed one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191151/ - if you guys are reading specs today please take a look | 20:24 |
| leakypipes | jroll: yes, I think that would be good. | 20:25 |
| leakypipes | dimsum__: thx! will do! :) | 20:25 |
| jroll | leakypipes: cool. /me hits the eventbrite | 20:25 |
| jroll | thanks! | 20:25 |
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| superdan | jroll: brave man | 20:31 |
| jroll | superdan: I plan to bring the required peace offerings. | 20:32 |
| ijw | sdague: per your comments on the vif plugging, you'll find https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-neutron-extensible-binding takes that kind of interface and riffs on it (but uses python not shell, so it's possible we want something of both ideas in practice) | 20:32 |
| superdan | jroll: hmm, I was just going to bring all weapons | 20:32 |
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| superdan | ijw: I read it, I think it's close to what I want | 20:32 |
| jroll | superdan: beer trumps violence, dontcha know | 20:33 |
| superdan | jroll: heh | 20:33 |
| mriedem | garyk: this is waiting on you https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188830/ | 20:33 |
| ijw | superdan: I'll put it in as a spec. It's not gathering feedback where it is | 20:34 |
| ijw | It can be shouted down for all to see that way | 20:34 |
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| cfriesen | superdan: danpb: ndipanov: as long as we're looking at specs, I posted some questions about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168982/ around trying to agree on backend stuff even if the user interface is still pending | 20:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/nova-specs: Instance Users for Cloud Interaction https://review.openstack.org/186617 | 20:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | ijw-ubuntu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Extensible VIF plugging for Nova and Neutron https://review.openstack.org/191210 | 20:50 |
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| leakypipes | I do believe it is beer thirty. | 21:06 |
| melwitt | :) | 21:08 |
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| ijw | leakypipes: I hate you so much right now | 21:12 |
| leakypipes | ijw: join the club :) | 21:12 |
| ijw | I have. I've got a card and a badge, and they send out a magazine once a quarter | 21:12 |
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| superdan | WAT. I want to join this club | 21:13 |
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| superdan | I need more magazines | 21:13 |
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| figleaf | superdan: just mail me a check for the dues | 21:18 |
| superdan | oh snap | 21:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Taylor Peoples proposed openstack/nova: Warn when CONF torrent_base_url is missing slash https://review.openstack.org/191196 | 21:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Scheduler Introduce lightwieght transactional model for HostState https://review.openstack.org/191226 | 21:33 |
| ndipanov | superdan, if you're still doing specs ^^ | 21:34 |
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| superdan | ndipanov: I'm pretty fried | 21:36 |
| superdan | I'll put it in the browser tab queue, but there's still a lot in there | 21:37 |
| ndipanov | superdan, ok thanks, but if you're up for awesomeness then I'd look no further :) | 21:38 |
| superdan | heh | 21:38 |
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