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| openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Split different live-migration types in nova https://review.openstack.org/225910 | 07:41 |
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| bauzas | good morning Nova | 07:57 |
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| tdurakov | hi folks! | 08:03 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, haven't you seen my spec for live-migration split? | 08:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: that looks good for a backport to me, added the potential, just was waiting for a patch to appear | 08:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I havn't done a detail review of that yet, but I remember seeing it in the list I am attacking | 08:04 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, thanks, hope we could make it happen during mitaka:) | 08:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: there is a lot of folks looking at live migrate for mitaka, I am thinking about making it some kind of group or priority, mostly so you can get together and make sure you are going in the same direction :) | 08:10 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: morning | 08:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: morning | 08:10 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, sounds good | 08:10 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: again, FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231172/ | 08:10 |
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| bauzas | yet another bug needing a backport... | 08:11 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the master branch is still needing a +W https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231166/ | 08:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I totally thought that was tested in gate :S | 08:11 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yup :/ | 08:12 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's something I wondered with mriedem last night | 08:12 |
| andrearosa | johnthetubaguy: +1 for live migrate task force group | 08:12 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so we decided to revert the change instead of just fixing the nit | 08:12 |
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| bauzas | tdurakov: andrearosa: there is a session proposal from PaulMurray, you should stay tuned :) | 08:13 |
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| andrearosa | bauzas: yeap, thanks | 08:14 |
| bauzas | tdurakov: also, re: our yesterday morning discussion about RPC versioning, there is a new blogpost you should consider :) | 08:14 |
| tdurakov | bauzas, link please:) | 08:14 |
| bauzas | tdurakov: http://www.danplanet.com/blog/2015/10/05/upgrades-in-nova-rpc-apis/ | 08:14 |
| tdurakov | bauzas, thank you | 08:14 |
| bauzas | ^that one is the first of a series that dansmith is writing - and by chance, I previewed the next ones, very helpful | 08:15 |
| tdurakov | yep, nice to have such articles | 08:16 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231166/ given that the master change isn't yet merged and consequently the liberty backport -2'd by ttx, I'd advocate for a RC3 if you cut by today RC2 | 08:16 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's a libvirt+configdrive configuration, hence the High prio but I can raise it if needed | 08:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, agreed, just reviewing that, and +2 ing it | 08:17 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I mean, I don't want to defer a RC2 cut by waiting for this change to be landed, given that you plan to do it by today | 08:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Bob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Workaround for 6.5 iSCSI bug https://review.openstack.org/231103 | 08:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we might want to, looking at it | 08:18 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: it's your call | 08:18 |
| pilgrimstack | Hi, I wrote a spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221375/, what is the next step? how to advocate for it and make it high in the backlog of Nova? | 08:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: so really its just a case of waiting for a review | 08:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: the problem is we have basically removed/deprecated ratelimits in Liberty, if I remember correctly, as our current ratelimit just never works in any sensible setup | 08:21 |
| pilgrimstack | hmmm, it didn't work or it was incomplet? | 08:22 |
| pilgrimstack | there is something else to provide something like 'limiting the calls per user and the number of instances creation" ? | 08:24 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: do you plan some Spec review day, btw. ? | 08:25 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I can surely take a look on specs, just wondering on a general basis | 08:25 |
| pilgrimstack | manage it with the quota side could be very usefull | 08:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so I haven't gone through the release dates yet, and made a Nova version, I usually do that post summit | 08:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I am reviewing specs now, slowly, if that helps you decide | 08:26 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: eh eh, no I mean what I like with specs review day is that people are aware we'll housekeeping | 08:26 |
| bauzas | we'll be* | 08:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: the rate limit stores its state locally, or something like that, so only works if you have on API node, if I remember correctly | 08:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: as we understand it, most folks just use a loadbalancer to do the rate limiting, so its of little use to most deployers | 08:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: now, it could be something we could add into quotas, but they need some serious fixing up (we have a draft spec with ideas) but no one is stepping up to fix that right now | 08:28 |
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| pilgrimstack | ok but I think we need something bigger | 08:28 |
| pilgrimstack | yep rate-limit managed by quota is the good way | 08:29 |
| ZZelle | johnthetubaguy, hi | 08:29 |
| pilgrimstack | we can have important customer and we want to allow them to make a lot of calls and spawn a lot of instances quickely | 08:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: can you not use the loadbalancer to rate limit build requests, I guess not? | 08:30 |
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| pilgrimstack | and for small client, we want to limit them to protect the scheduler | 08:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: yeah, so there are ways to configure the scheduler that help a little, but "back pressure" is a good idea, the question might just be who implements that | 08:31 |
| pilgrimstack | a load balancer will not be aware that there is different limit on different people | 08:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | ZZelle: hi | 08:31 |
| ZZelle | johnthetubaguy, could you remove your -2 on https://review.openstack.org/186716 ? Do we need to do something special in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=vmware-use-datastore-copy ? | 08:31 |
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| bauzas | pilgrimstack: johnthetubaguy: well, I wonder how much all of that is related to quotas | 08:32 |
| pilgrimstack | johnthetubaguy: the question might just be who implements that => ^^ | 08:32 |
| pilgrimstack | good question | 08:32 |
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| bauzas | I mean, that should stay probably a quota enforcement | 08:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | ZZelle: you need to get the blueprint approved, in this case it can just go on the spec-less blueprint list | 08:32 |
| pilgrimstack | bauzas: where do you manage limitations per user? | 08:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so I am thinking about the new quota system, we would have a row for each resource quota claim, with a date of the claim, so we could do a quick ratelimit check on that data | 08:33 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: that's where the work should be done IMHO | 08:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed openstack/nova-specs: (follow up) Nova Image v1 -> v2 https://review.openstack.org/231357 | 08:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | ZZelle: the current plan is using a similar process to last cycle, which is covered here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#How_do_I_get_my_code_merged.3F | 08:33 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: do you have a spec for the quota reworking or what that still WIP after YVR ? | 08:34 |
| bauzas | by you, I mean do you know :) | 08:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I think that spec from alaski is still WIP | 08:35 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: oh I remember that one | 08:35 |
| bauzas | right | 08:35 |
| pilgrimstack | do you already think about putting count value (calls, instances creations…) in Time Series service (Gnocchi :p) and work with that ? | 08:35 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: oh, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182445/ | 08:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova: Maintain the order of vifs between hard reboots https://review.openstack.org/231009 | 08:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: its a possible implementation, but I wouldn't want it to be the default driver | 08:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: we get loads of complaints about how hard we are to setup, need a really good excuse to make it worse! | 08:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova: Switch to oslo.cache lib https://review.openstack.org/203049 | 08:41 |
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| bauzas | pilgrimstack: the idea is that we want to have Nova staying simple | 08:45 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: we provide all those events as notifications that can be consumed | 08:46 |
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| bauzas | pilgrimstack: so in general, some triggers can be done using those metrics | 08:46 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: but for your usecase, I feel it's not exactly that, it's just the problem that you can't define quotas per user | 08:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova: Allow force-delete irrespective of VM task_state https://review.openstack.org/163798 | 08:47 |
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| bauzas | pilgrimstack: that's not as best as a velocity metric like nr_req/hour, but that's still a good move that you can mix with rate limiting | 08:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ukesh Kumar proposed openstack/nova: nova.virt.libvirt.driver._get_guest_config method is nearly 400 LOC and should be broken up https://review.openstack.org/229382 | 08:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: pilgrimstack: so to be clear, agreed with the problem being one that needs address (backpresure when the cloud is "busy"), just unsure how we do that in Nova with minimal scope creep | 08:52 |
| bauzas | +1 hence the backlog spec | 08:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: as an aside, have you tuned the scheduler at all? like using caching scheduler, reduce the greenlet thread pool to 5 or lower, etc? | 08:53 |
| pilgrimstack | yep, I see 2 different subject like bauzas said | 08:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: its also worth capturing some of those things in the alternatives section in the backlog spec, if that helps make it real | 08:55 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: are you really facing a scheduler capacity issue ? | 08:55 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: do you see the scheduler process just eating the io_time cpu ? | 08:55 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: also I wonder by much the performance increased now that we have a different pymysql driver | 08:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so I have seen the need for back preasure myself, it depends where your breaking point is | 08:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so pymysql will mean more parallism, which may not be a good thing | 08:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexander Schmidt proposed openstack/nova-specs: libvirt: Exploit new IO features https://review.openstack.org/230968 | 08:58 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed | 08:58 |
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| pilgrimstack | do you see the scheduler process just eating the io_time cpu ? => good question, I'll check | 08:58 |
| pilgrimstack | the fact is | 08:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: seriously though, try the caching scheduler, and reducing the thread pool, it will buy you a lot of head room | 08:58 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, I totally get you when you say it depends on where your bottleneck is, hence my question to pilgrimstack :) | 08:58 |
| bauzas | +1 to johnthetubaguy | 08:59 |
| bauzas | given you're CPU-bounded by the scheduler process | 08:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | (oh, and make sure you only run one scheduler at once) | 08:59 |
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| pilgrimstack | a customer can make a call with max_count 500, he will have many instances in error state and other customers will have longer time response | 09:00 |
| bauzas | right, but pilgrimstack should have followed my meetup :p | 09:00 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: so, I'm not sure that's the scheduler which could limit | 09:01 |
| pilgrimstack | I did ;) | 09:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: oh, with max_count, hmm, the caching scheduler will not help you there, what were the errors, out of interest? | 09:01 |
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| pilgrimstack | we have filters which consume a lot of cpu/time | 09:01 |
| bauzas | that's my feeling, I don't feel it's the scheduler which makes that failing | 09:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: oh dear... that would answer it | 09:02 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: that's not normal | 09:02 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: which version are your running ? | 09:02 |
| bauzas | Kilo ? | 09:02 |
| bauzas | or Juno ? | 09:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | pilgrimstack: the filters and weights should be simple calculations on the host state, otherwise the system falls over, we have fixed up most filters to be like that now | 09:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: honestly, we have a problem that folks have copied our broken filters and weighters | 09:03 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: right, but we fixed that in Kilo | 09:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: for the in tree ones, yes | 09:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: pilgrimstack is from OVH, I guess they run their own infra | 09:04 |
| flaper87 | sudipto: hey, you around? Would you mind sticking around in #openstack-glance for a while? At least until we get the nova work done :) | 09:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | ZZelle: just as a heads up, I did add your blueprint on the list to be discussed at the next nova meeting, and added my +1 for it being approved | 09:04 |
| pilgrimstack | bauzas: Juno | 09:05 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: so I'd be very interested in knowing which filters are eating your CPU | 09:05 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: but I can bet on some | 09:05 |
| ZZelle | johnthetubaguy, thanks | 09:06 |
| sudipto | flaper87, getting there in 2 mins. | 09:06 |
| sudipto | rather 2 seconds | 09:06 |
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| sudipto | flaper87, i will stick there from now one :) | 09:06 |
| sudipto | s/one/on | 09:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Noel Nelson Dsouza proposed openstack/nova: Avoid deleting flavors which are currently in use by instances either in running or shutoff state. https://review.openstack.org/217674 | 09:07 |
| pilgrimstack | the filters are home made BUT :p my question was not "scheduler sucks, how to change it" :p my quesiton is I need to protect my ressources and allow comsumtion differently for each customers | 09:08 |
| bauzas | pilgrimstack: sure the answer to that is quotas :) | 09:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I think we need some docs on custom filters and weighers, if you fancy it | 09:10 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, the key problem is how we get those to the HostState, which means how we could somehow extend the scheduler | 09:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but I can draw some guidelines for sure | 09:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: agreed, its a good exercise, I mean I am hoping most would use the existing data | 09:15 |
| bauzas | at least, I should mention the new RequestSpec objectification work, because it will impact all of those filters | 09:16 |
| bauzas | that still needs to be approved, fer sur | 09:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I was looking at the v20 and v20-legacy, can we make one of those neutron, and the other do postgres, to save a few infra cycles? | 09:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack/nova: [Py34] Enable api.openstack.test_wsgi unit test https://review.openstack.org/231076 | 09:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: I am guess some of the specless blueprints for the last release need to get re-approved for mitaka, do you have a list of those? | 10:01 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: i don't remember a lot of specless bps. The only one I remember right now is the host maintenance one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-host-maintenance but I'm going to recheck and I'll let you know | 10:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: do you have the specs up for the others for fast-re-approve? | 10:03 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: you mean the BPs with specs that have previously been approved? | 10:07 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: specless bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-imagecache-cleanup | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: yeah | 10:07 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: well, the BPs with "Pending Approval" Design is a good rule of thumb: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova?searchtext=hyper-v | 10:09 |
| gmann | sdague: johnthetubaguy : do we have API meeting today? | 10:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: so we need the spec review up for me to approve them, are they all up for review? | 10:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann: I don't remember what we agreed, I will be around to talk about docs if others are around | 10:10 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: except for uefi-secure-boot bp, all other specs have been approved. | 10:11 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: ohk, i also do not remember exactly | 10:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: they have to be approved for mitaka | 10:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: so they need re-submitting | 10:11 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: ooh... so the specs need to be moved from liberty to mitaka | 10:11 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: i see. | 10:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: well, cut and pasted, but yes | 10:12 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: k, I can do that. | 10:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: if you add "previously-approved" then I can just +2 +W them all | 10:12 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: ok then, will take care of this | 10:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: the reason we do it, is to make sure they are still in scope after any discussions over the cycle, there are a few we are blocking the fast re-approve as it turns out we didn't have consensus on the design, but I don't think thats the case with any of yours | 10:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: its the same as the last two releases basically, it should be documented in the diagram of doom: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#How_do_I_get_my_code_merged.3F | 10:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Noel Nelson Dsouza proposed openstack/nova: Avoid deleting flavors currently used by instances either in Running or Shutoff state. https://review.openstack.org/217674 | 10:15 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: one more thing: there was an effort to make nova py3 compatible in liberty, right? Well, there was a thing that was missed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229578/ do you think it is backportable to liberty? | 10:19 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: I'd say yes, but I'd like your confirmation as well. | 10:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: py34 support is miles off right now, just started to scratch the surface in liberty | 10:20 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: well, we've been working on making our drivers / agents work in py3 and it's currently the only patch we need to have it running | 10:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: I don't see the point in backporting that really | 10:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: oh interesting, its surprising its that close | 10:21 |
| claudiub | yeah | 10:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: the plan in the spec was quite simple really, get unit tests pass, then get tempest pass, then we claim py34 support | 10:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | we haven't done the first bit yet | 10:22 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: I see. Well, that's the only issue we observed for nova-compute services. Can't we just report a bug for it and mark it as appropriate for liberty? :) | 10:23 |
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| bauzas | claudiub: just catching the convo but backporting a change for supprting py3.4 in Liberty sounds a bit overkill | 10:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: thats up the the stable maintainers, its too late for liberty itself, really | 10:25 |
| claudiub | bauzas: well, it is just a 3 LOC change. | 10:25 |
| bauzas | claudiub: I can just explode the compute manager with +1/-1 :p | 10:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: I just added some comments on that patch, it would be good to get the unit tests fixed up for that, I feel: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229578/3 | 10:29 |
| claudiub | bauzas: true, but it's just a trivial patch, shouldn't cause any problems, as it is covered by unit tests | 10:29 |
| sdague | gmann: we do, I'm running it. I guess I forgot to send out an email on it | 10:30 |
| bauzas | claudiub: like johnthetubaguy said, it's all up to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Stable_branch_policy | 10:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Radomir Dopieralski proposed openstack/nova: Handle 404 responses from neutron when polling for floating IPs https://review.openstack.org/216746 | 10:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Workaround for 6.5 iSCSI bug https://review.openstack.org/231103 | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Bob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Fix unit tests for python34 https://review.openstack.org/231412 | 10:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Split different live-migration types in nova https://review.openstack.org/225910 | 11:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves the Hyper-V Cluster spec to Mitaka https://review.openstack.org/231416 | 11:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves the Hyper-V NUMA instance spec to Mitaka https://review.openstack.org/231417 | 11:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V vTPM instances spec to Mitaka https://review.openstack.org/231418 | 11:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V Fibre Channel support spec to Mitaka https://review.openstack.org/231419 | 11:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V Storage QOS spec to Mitaka https://review.openstack.org/231420 | 11:10 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: ^ specs for Mitaka | 11:10 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: specless blueprints, previously approved: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-ovs-vif https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-rescue https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-vnic-hot-plug https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyperv-serial-ports https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-block-device-mapping-support | 11:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: they are all specless, and previously approved right? | 11:13 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-host-maintenance | 11:13 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: yes | 11:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: ideally those previously approved need to git commit tag: https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs#previously-approved-specifications | 11:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: but I have added them into this etherpad instead: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 11:16 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: oh, I see. Also, it seems I had to copy the spec, not move. I'll amend them | 11:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: yes, as I mentioned above, it should be a copy not a move | 11:16 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: Ok, I see. My bad. Will update this shortly. | 11:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: no worries, I will get on that list after I have got some lunch (before the api-meeting starts!) | 11:17 |
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| edleafe | is there a nova api meeting now? | 12:02 |
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| edleafe | or did we decide to cancel it? | 12:02 |
| bauzas | right | 12:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Raga lahari proposed openstack/nova: Support for new --status parameter to "nova-manage vm list" command https://review.openstack.org/231447 | 12:22 |
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| bauzas | sdague: okay, so back to the proposal I made re: API extensibility for sched hints | 12:37 |
| bauzas | sdague: your comment is understandable | 12:37 |
| bauzas | sdague: given the release prio is about docs and jsonhome | 12:38 |
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| bauzas | sdague: I just want to make sure that all of us are in sync :) | 12:38 |
| sdague | ok, sure | 12:38 |
| bauzas | sdague: see my point in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MZVwxv8t6sM15Kct5i7yOS-8-NCvqsW742s5Y_LDyjg/edit#gid=816860825 L3 | 12:39 |
| bauzas | sdague: for the moment, we can document what's possible and what's not | 12:39 |
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| sdague | ok | 12:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Make ImageMeta:disk_format use DiskFormatField https://review.openstack.org/231460 | 12:50 |
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| moshele | baoli_: can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227160/ ? | 12:51 |
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| tdurakov | alaski, hi, are you around? can i ask you to review my spec about live-migrations: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225910/ | 12:56 |
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| alaski | tdurakov: sure, it's on my list | 12:56 |
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| tdurakov | alaski, thanks, waiting for some feedback:) | 12:57 |
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| baoli_ | moshele: will do it today | 13:08 |
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| moshele | baoli_: thanks | 13:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Deepak C Shetty (deepakcs) proposed openstack/nova-specs: Move volume-snapshot-improvements spec to Mitaka https://review.openstack.org/231467 | 13:08 |
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| rlrossit | TIL in gerrit new mode, typing "LGTM" in the review box automatically switches your review to a +1 | 13:15 |
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| bauzas | rlrossit: and PEBKAC does -W ? :D | 13:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova: VMware: specify chunk size when reading image data https://review.openstack.org/231468 | 13:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack/nova: [Py34] api.openstack.test_faults.TestFaultWrapper https://review.openstack.org/231473 | 13:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack/nova: [Py34] api.openstack.compute.legacy_v2.test_servers.Base64ValidationTest https://review.openstack.org/231474 | 13:28 |
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| mriedem | sdague: didn't we have a bug and query for this? http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2015-10-06_05_39_36_682 | 13:34 |
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| rlrossit | dansmith: I'm totally confused... how is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231271/1 not causing everything to blow up? | 13:42 |
| dansmith | rlrossit: because we're doing the lookup of "what version do I need" from the manifest now | 13:43 |
| rlrossit | and I thought the manifest was built through obj_relationships? | 13:43 |
| dansmith | nope | 13:44 |
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| dansmith | it's built by just walking the tree from the object you want until it runs out of relationships, | 13:44 |
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| dansmith | like your test did | 13:44 |
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| mriedem | so dropping conductor to 2 workers might have been a bad idea here too maybe? http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2015-10-06_05_39_36_629 | 13:45 |
| rlrossit | wow I've been removed from this stuff too long... I totally forget how all of this works | 13:45 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: is conductor super busy around then? | 13:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Canary test the backporting from a liberty compute https://review.openstack.org/231486 | 13:50 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: I've updated the specs we've talked about today. Also, did you get around to review the os-win spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227827/ | 13:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: sorry, got pulled into a meeting I was attemting to avoid, had hoped to approve all those already | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: I have os-win on my list | 13:57 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: cool, thanks. :) | 13:57 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: conductor isn't, cinder is | 14:04 |
| mriedem | 06-10 05:39:36 | 14:04 |
| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-dstat.txt.gz | 14:04 |
| dansmith | well, then I wouldn't really think that's the problem | 14:05 |
| mriedem | right | 14:05 |
| mriedem | cinder is overloaded and we're waiting on a response from cinder | 14:05 |
| mriedem | probably to initialize the volume | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | s/volume/connection/ | 14:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: docs: re-organise the API concept docs https://review.openstack.org/226253 | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: ^^ Added some more bits | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | thanks edleafe | 14:20 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: thank you! | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | ha, super helpful | 14:37 |
| mriedem | start prepping block devices: http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz#_2015-10-06_05_38_36_622 | 14:37 |
| mriedem | ... | 14:37 |
| mriedem | rpc timeout: http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz#_2015-10-06_05_39_36_629 | 14:37 |
| mriedem | and this isn't a boot from volume case | 14:38 |
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| cfriesen | does anyone know why novaclient commit 4e79285b was added? is the intent to not be case-sensitive at all in flavor names? | 14:41 |
| cfriesen | if so, why just names and not everything else? | 14:41 |
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| mriedem | is the auto_disk_config stuff only used by the xenserver driver? | 14:43 |
| danpb | mriedem: yep, afaik | 14:43 |
| mriedem | looks like it was supposed to be deprecated at one point https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/api-v3-remove-disk-config | 14:44 |
| mriedem | it adds a bunch of gorp to the boot flow | 14:44 |
| mriedem | dansmith: so in that rpc timeout, it was actually the instance.save() that timed out | 14:47 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: ...okay... | 14:48 |
| mriedem | when changing the task_state to block-device-mapping | 14:48 |
| mriedem | oh wow http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cond.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Force live migration https://review.openstack.org/229040 | 14:48 |
| dansmith | mriedem: mmhmm :) | 14:48 |
| dansmith | the rabbit is dead | 14:49 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:50 |
| mriedem | 2015-10-06 05:39:34.313 -> 2015-10-06 05:39:43.085 | 14:50 |
| mriedem | is a black hole | 14:50 |
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| mriedem | of course no errors in the rabbit logs around that time | 14:52 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: is this a recurring thing or just a one-off you found? | 14:52 |
| * bauzas is tempted to go down the rabbit hole | 14:53 | |
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| mriedem | checking logstash | 14:53 |
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| mriedem | not a one off http://goo.gl/vSChuq | 14:55 |
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| mriedem | but it's not 100% failure in those hits either | 14:56 |
| mriedem | probably b/c old side grenade is shutting down? | 14:56 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: what do you mean about the old side? | 14:56 |
| mriedem | this only hits on grenade jobs | 14:56 |
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| mriedem | so couldn't we see this when upgrading conductor? | 14:57 |
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| dansmith | oh you mean you think maybe we're still running an older conductor and we've killed a bunch of services causing reply queues to go away? | 14:58 |
| dansmith | I guess maybe | 14:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, auto_disk_config is used, as much as it makes me really really shudder | 14:59 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: even though it was supposed to be deprecated, but since v2.1 we can't really | 14:59 |
| mriedem | and you can't really microversion it out | 14:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: why couldn't we microversion it out? | 15:00 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: well you could microversion out accepting the request, but the code in the compute api and virt driver would all have to remain for v2 and v2.1 | 15:01 |
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| mriedem | so kind of pointless | 15:01 |
| dansmith | right | 15:01 |
| dansmith | not pointless | 15:01 |
| doffm | Thats a pretty awesome way to deprecate things. If you request version > 2.11 you don't get a response from that API. | 15:01 |
| dansmith | but we can't get rid of it either | 15:01 |
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| doffm | Its a hard deprecate. | 15:01 |
| mriedem | pointless as in the main point i'd like to remove it is the 90% of the cruft is in the compute API and virt driver | 15:02 |
| mriedem | but yeah | 15:02 |
| dansmith | yeah | 15:02 |
| dansmith | understand | 15:02 |
| mriedem | deprecation would force people off it to move up to newer microversions | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I mean at some point, we could drop the support so it becomes a noop | 15:03 |
| danpb | mriedem: is auto_disk_config present in the API too ? i thought it was just an image meta property | 15:03 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: not if v2.1 is backward compatible | 15:03 |
| mriedem | danpb: it's also in the api | 15:03 |
| danpb | eww | 15:03 |
| mriedem | there is an extension, or whatever we're calling those now | 15:03 |
| mriedem | that's how tempest testes it | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: right its nasty, but I am just thinking about how we loose the code debt, making it silent not do anything is the best I can think of | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: what does libvirt do with that right now, just ignore it? | 15:04 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/api/compute/servers/test_create_server.py | 15:04 |
| mriedem | libvirt doesn't check that property | 15:04 |
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| mriedem | only xenserver from what i see | 15:05 |
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| cfriesen | mriedem: at some point we'll bump up the minimum microversion, right? And at that point we can get rid of the code for good. | 15:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Alvaro Lopez Garcia proposed openstack/nova: SameHostFilter should fail if host does not have instances https://review.openstack.org/229030 | 15:05 |
| mriedem | will we? | 15:05 |
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| cfriesen | mriedem: I seem to remember that was the suggestion. presumably we'll not support ancient novaclient code indefinitely | 15:06 |
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| alaski | I thought the idea was that it's theoretically possible, but not practical in any defined timeline | 15:06 |
| mriedem | idk, dropping v2 isn't supposed to be talked about until what, spain? | 15:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Doffman proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Support the server side remote-console API changes https://review.openstack.org/230149 | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: FWIW, I can't see us ever bumping the min_version, but we have kept that option in the protocol | 15:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Alvaro Lopez Garcia proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: make live_migration_uri flag dependent on virt_type https://review.openstack.org/175780 | 15:08 |
| cfriesen | johnthetubaguy: so we have to support v2 forever? endlessly adding new stuff to the API and never actually removing anything? | 15:08 |
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| mriedem | cfriesen: we will talk about dropping v2 at some point, but that's not the same as requiring like a minimum of v2.11 | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | cfriesen: pretty much, well we can remove things in a specific version to tidy things up | 15:09 |
| mriedem | you could theoretically drop v2 since v2.1 is supposed to be backward compatible | 15:09 |
| cfriesen | mriedem: sorry, meant support min_version forever | 15:09 |
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| cfriesen | The linux guys decided to go that route, and now they have three or four versions of some APIs. | 15:10 |
| edleafe | mriedem: but you can never get rid of supporting v2 code, even if you call it 2.1 | 15:11 |
| mriedem | edleafe: i'm talking about deleting the legacy_v2 code path | 15:11 |
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| edleafe | mriedem: yeah, I'd love to do that, too. But since v2.1 == v2, won't we have to still support v2 code forever? | 15:12 |
| cfriesen | johnthetubaguy: you can remove it from the API, but not from the code (as long as you support the older microversions) | 15:12 |
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| mriedem | edleafe: yes | 15:13 |
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| cfriesen | so the only way to actually remove stuff from the core code is to bump the min_version for microversions | 15:13 |
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| edleafe | cfriesen: yeah - to actually follow through with the deprecation process | 15:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova-specs: Proposes to check destination on migrations https://review.openstack.org/231542 | 15:20 |
| bauzas | lxsli: ^ | 15:20 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: FYI, I fixed a bad comment in the above spec | 15:20 |
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| bauzas | (, -o | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | oops | 15:23 |
| * bauzas not me, just a 1yo stalker | 15:25 | |
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| annegentle | @dhellmann or any other Sphinx person If I have to build two different nova docsets from two different conf.py/index.rst files and only one setup.py, can I do so? | 15:25 |
| sdague | mriedem: I don't know, there was a big bug listed against some of the "can't do foo operations" but it was the dhcp signature that was a red herring | 15:25 |
| annegentle | patch for reference here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230186 dhellmann | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: looking | 15:26 |
| annegentle | thankyekindly | 15:26 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah it was something else | 15:26 |
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| mriedem | conductor timing out | 15:27 |
| sdague | ok | 15:27 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: what is it you're actually trying to do here? have 2 separate manuals? | 15:31 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann: yes, the contrib dev guide and the api dev guide | 15:32 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann: contrib dev guide to docs.openstack.org, api dev guide to developer.openstack.org | 15:32 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: different themes | 15:32 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: I'm not sure the sphinx setuptools integration we have supports that right now | 15:33 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: ohhhhh. hm. | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: that's not to say you can't do it another way, though, by calling sphinx directly | 15:34 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann: so, basically call a script in tox.ini? | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: and if you do that, I suggest putting the files in doc/api-guide instead of doc/source/api-guide to separate them completely | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: yeah, you'd call sphinx-build instead of "python setup.py build_sphinx" | 15:34 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: ok, tox still needed /source for some reason | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: tox wraps up installing sphinx for you | 15:35 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann: but I can call sphinx-build, sure | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | it also gives you a convenient way to hook in to the CI build system without having to define a new job template, because we have one where the tox env name is part of the template name | 15:35 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: use the make file you think? | 15:35 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: no, you shouldn't need the makefile | 15:36 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann: ok one other idea then, how about how we're doing it in the api-site repo? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217467/16/api-quick-start/setup.cfg has its own setup.cfg? | 15:37 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: oh, I bet that won't work for nova/swift/everyone, hm | 15:37 |
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| raorn | hi | 15:37 |
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| raorn | please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226274/ | 15:38 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: yeah, you want to be careful messing with the build files for the code projects, that's another reason for just calling sphinx directly in this case | 15:38 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann: ok thanks for the help! | 15:39 |
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| mriedem | raorn: done | 15:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sudipta Biswas proposed openstack/nova: add helper method to obtain image client version https://review.openstack.org/222150 | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: objects: add virtual 'image_meta' property to Instance object https://review.openstack.org/190145 | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: convert to use instance.image_meta property https://review.openstack.org/190146 | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: compute: convert manager to use nova.objects.ImageMeta https://review.openstack.org/189685 | 15:45 |
| lxsli | mriedem: you put procedural -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221014/ , can you revisit please? | 15:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Pause VM during live migration https://review.openstack.org/229040 | 15:49 |
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| BobBall | Where is the tests-py3.txt blacklist file held? I see it being used by the gate's py34 tests, but it doesn't seem to be in Nova's repo? | 15:50 |
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| raorn | mriedem: thanks | 15:52 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: http://logs.openstack.org/86/231486/1/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-partial-ncpu/c3fd150/logs/old/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz#_2015-10-06_14_32_44_183 | 15:59 |
| dansmith | mriedem: just FYI we have a bug in master's backport stuff, but it won't manifest until we have some object version bumped | 16:00 |
| dansmith | I'm looking into it now | 16:00 |
| dansmith | but in case you see that | 16:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/231238 | 16:02 |
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| BobBall | oh wow... sorry... it was added yesterday, sorry | 16:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Canary test the backporting from a liberty compute https://review.openstack.org/231486 | 16:08 |
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| mriedem | lxsli: done | 16:09 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: wow ok | 16:10 |
| mriedem | that's a nice infinite recursion | 16:10 |
| dansmith | mriedem: actually, ignore that.. it's only a bug after the patches below that one | 16:10 |
| dansmith | mriedem: the problem will be figuring out if I can fix this before that series to avoid introducing the problem briefly | 16:10 |
| mriedem | i plan to ignore everything except these tacos in front of me | 16:10 |
| dansmith | I would prioritize tacos if I had them | 16:11 |
| mriedem | when will taco bell in the greater portland area have drone delivery? | 16:11 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: when people in portland start wanting taco bell, I imagine | 16:12 |
| mriedem | yeah, i guess once a taco bell shows up they won't be able to fit in their tiny houses in the woods | 16:12 |
| dansmith | hah | 16:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexey I. Froloff proposed openstack/nova: Fix more inconsistency between Nova-Net and Neutron https://review.openstack.org/226274 | 16:13 |
| lxsli | mriedem: thanks | 16:14 |
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| jwcroppe | jaypipes: want to throw your +2 back on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219153/ ? I fixed the UT from your previous patch set and Jenkins is happy now. | 16:37 |
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| jwcroppe | ...only if jaypipes was signed in :) | 16:38 |
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| mriedem | people interested in specs process probably want to review this proposal to drop the project priority portion of the spec template https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230916/ | 16:47 |
| danpb | sdague: dansmith ^^ | 16:47 |
| mriedem | i'm personally taking the cowards way out and straddling the fence | 16:48 |
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| alaski | it's useful to me when a spec comes in related to a project priority, and otherwise not. Given the timeline of trying to get a bulk of specs approved before priorities are decided it seems like it should just be optional, only include it if you know what you're doing | 16:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs: Re-propose spec for refresh-quotas-usage https://review.openstack.org/226925 | 16:59 |
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| mriedem | do we still plan on filling out the mitaka-priorities rst doc after the summit? | 17:02 |
| mriedem | seems we should if we're going to have a session on priorities | 17:02 |
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| danpb | mriedem: presumably we'll do it after summit | 17:03 |
| danpb | i see the kilo one was mostly just a list of links to etherpads | 17:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 thats my current thinking, same as last time | 17:06 |
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| dansmith | +1 | 17:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: mriedem: I would like to also include a list of specs in the description for each priority, it was a bit rushed this last time, but honestly, the priorities in launchpad all track this stuff | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I was looking at that notification spec | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I am curious about those changes that get serialised out in the object, can we just reset the object before generating the output, or do something better, maybe a non-tracked object? | 17:08 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: we should just reset them yeah | 17:08 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: we can also override obj_what_changed() to return an empty set | 17:08 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: on the parent object or something | 17:08 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I haven't actually made it back to that spec since he revised it for objects | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: cool, I was wondering about the priority and other bits that need to go into that oslo wrapper, i kinda like having that detail all in the object too | 17:09 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I kinda wish oslo wasn't wrapping it like that :/ | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: me too, maybe thats the better change, add support into oslo to just take an object and serialise it | 17:10 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I think that'd be nice yeah | 17:10 |
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| ctrath1 | johnthetubaguy: jlk stated that they are running into this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1118066 .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143934/ was abandoned. Has there been any work to fix this since this patch was last abandoned? | 17:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1118066 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova should confirm quota requests against Keystone" [High,Confirmed] | 17:21 |
| ctrath1 | mriedem: ^ | 17:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ctrath1: I have not seen any more work on that, its well worth resurrecting that code and blueprint/spec if you want that | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | ctrath1: the -2 is purely procedural, because it was a blueprint that didn't get reviewed before the feature freeze | 17:24 |
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| ctrath1 | johnthetubaguy: right. thanks for taking a look. | 17:26 |
| mriedem | thangp_: ^ is that something you're interested in resurrecting in mitaka? | 17:29 |
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| thangp_ | mriedem: sure, is it still approved? | 17:31 |
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| mriedem | thangp_: would require a spec for mitaka | 17:31 |
| mriedem | i think we'd drop the v2 api stuff in that change | 17:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Bob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Workaround for 6.5 iSCSI bug https://review.openstack.org/231103 | 17:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Bob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Fix unit tests for python34 https://review.openstack.org/231412 | 17:32 |
| mriedem | i'd be interested to get thoughts from the keystone team, like jamielennox, on that change | 17:32 |
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| thangp_ | mriedem: the last time i worked on it, it's only valid to check on project ids, and not user ids | 17:33 |
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| thangp_ | not sure if it's still true | 17:34 |
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| mriedem | do we really need to validate this in the API? | 17:37 |
| mriedem | i'm assuming the quota usages table in the db is being populated when quota-update is called with an invalid project id | 17:37 |
| mriedem | couldn't we just add a check in the db api that if the project id doesn't exist, don't insert? | 17:37 |
| mriedem | and the quota usage is actually created when we first boot an instance with that project | 17:38 |
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| mriedem | the problem seems to be in objects.Quotas.create_limit | 17:38 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: maybe a good time to put out the Vek signal :) | 17:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah | 17:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: thangp_: I got the impression its more that user of the API create the quota for the wrong user, and get confused, rather that something more direct than that? | 17:40 |
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| thangp_ | johnthetubaguy: correct...there's nothing to confirm if what the user passed in is valid... the command just doesnt complain if the project is valid or not | 17:42 |
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| mriedem | so i can just do nova quota-update instances 20 str(uuid.uuid4())? | 17:42 |
| mriedem | and it passes? | 17:42 |
| thangp_ | mriedem: yes, if i remember correctly | 17:42 |
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| mriedem | and i'm assuming that's because the api calls objects.Quotas.create_limit | 17:43 |
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| mriedem | which will create the db entry since one doesn't exist with that project id | 17:43 |
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| mriedem | i would say we should fix that | 17:43 |
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| ctrath1 | so, fix objects.Quotas.create_limit and don't do validation at the api level? | 17:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, so error out if there is not existing usage, that might be enough? | 17:44 |
| mriedem | that's what i'm thinking | 17:45 |
| mriedem | quota-update is for updating existing quota, right? | 17:45 |
| mriedem | if it doesn't exist, 400 | 17:45 |
| mriedem | no need to spam question with validation requests | 17:45 |
| mriedem | s/question/keystone/ | 17:45 |
| mriedem | having said all that, i realize it's probably not trivial because it's the quotas code in nova | 17:46 |
| mriedem | that shouldn't require a blueprint or microversion either, even though it would change a 200 to a 400 response | 17:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: nice idea, I like it | 17:48 |
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| mriedem | there is probably some chicken/egg easter egg in there that prevents that from being possible | 17:51 |
| mriedem | like, you don't know if the thing exists until you create it or not, i wouldn't be surprised | 17:51 |
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| mriedem | basically, remove this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/quota_sets.py#L140 | 17:56 |
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| mriedem | i guess we don't have a POST to create quotas in that api | 17:56 |
| mriedem | there is a nova-manage command to create new quota entries though, and it works basically the same as the update api | 17:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: so if that doesn't create those, I am not sure anyone creates them... | 17:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I see | 17:57 |
| mriedem | well, today it does create them | 17:57 |
| mriedem | update is both create or update | 17:57 |
| mriedem | which is now nova-manage quota works | 17:57 |
| mriedem | s/now/how/ | 17:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | so another option, can we just check if there is any usage for that project, before doing the create? | 17:58 |
| mriedem | sure | 17:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | now thats a little bit funcky if you default to a quota of zero | 17:58 |
| mriedem | but | 17:58 |
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| mriedem | ugh | 17:58 |
| mriedem | this is gross | 17:58 |
| mriedem | we should just separate create and update APIs | 17:59 |
| mriedem | not send me your hurting masses of quotas and i'll do something with them | 17:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | we would have the same issue on create though, I think | 17:59 |
| mriedem | yup | 17:59 |
| mriedem | we'd have to validate with keystone in that case | 17:59 |
| mriedem | or whatever your identity backend is, because keystone is optional, remember :) | 17:59 |
| stevemar_ | mriedem: reminder that keystone meeting is now | 18:00 |
| stevemar_ | and you can ask stuff there :) | 18:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, this is coming back to me, hence the validator plugin mechaism | 18:00 |
| mriedem | i don't think we need the validator on every call that passes in a project id though | 18:00 |
| mriedem | only create | 18:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 | 18:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe we try update first, and if that fails with Not found we call the validator? | 18:01 |
| mriedem | for update? | 18:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 18:01 |
| mriedem | if update fails with not found, i think we return 404 | 18:01 |
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| mriedem | b/c you're updating a thing that you expect to exist | 18:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | well right now we just create first right? | 18:01 |
| mriedem | yeah | 18:01 |
| mriedem | i' msaying that's wrong :) | 18:02 |
| mriedem | but would require a microversion to add a new create API | 18:02 |
| mriedem | basically, separate create and update | 18:02 |
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| mriedem | so they aren't terrible monsters | 18:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats what we should have, agreed | 18:02 |
| mriedem | i'm going to get coffee now though, so bbiab | 18:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its nasty | 18:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have a run in a sec, I need to cook my dinner | 18:02 |
| ctrath1 | so, what happens if you pass in a list of quotas to update and only one doesn't exist? Does the entire list that was updated need to be rolled back? | 18:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, didn't know you could do that, I should go read the API | 18:04 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: on the google doc for the summit, can you make col E word wrap? | 18:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Remove obj_relationships from objects https://review.openstack.org/231271 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Clean up tests for dropping obj_relationships https://review.openstack.org/231270 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Canary test the backporting from a liberty compute https://review.openstack.org/231486 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix up Service object for manifest-based backports https://review.openstack.org/231269 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Drop Instance v1.x support https://review.openstack.org/220690 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix InstanceV1 backports to use context https://review.openstack.org/231649 | 18:13 |
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| mriedem | ctrath1: you can't pass a list | 18:17 |
| mriedem | so i think i'd propose that we split quota-sets.update with a microversion into 2 apis: create and update; on create we validate the projectid against the identity service (fixes the bug), on update we just do an update and if the entry doesn't exist in the table we fail with a 404 | 18:19 |
| mriedem | everything below that microversion works the same as today, for better or worse | 18:19 |
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| mriedem | ctrath1: oh i see | 18:21 |
| mriedem | for key, value in valid_quotas.items(): | 18:21 |
| mriedem | create limits for new resources | 18:21 |
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| mriedem | although i'd think that when we create a quotas or user_quotas entry in the table, we default any values that aren't specifically provided | 18:22 |
| mriedem | b/c we have a default quota set | 18:22 |
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| mriedem | or can i just create a limit on quota resource foo=5? | 18:23 |
| ctrath1 | that's a good question.. I thought that's they way it works, but I could be wrong | 18:24 |
| mriedem | imo we should only track quotas on things we know how to track | 18:24 |
| mriedem | anything else is for out of tree hooks and wonkiness | 18:24 |
| mriedem | which is i think why the quota class stuff exists | 18:24 |
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| mriedem | again, Vek_ signal | 18:25 |
| mriedem | an alternative for the bug is we try to update and if that fails with a not found exception, we validate the projectid and then do the create | 18:26 |
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| mriedem | stevemar_: i was basically asking what keystone people would have thought about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143934/10/nova/api/validator.py but keeping in mind it was from kilo | 18:29 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure how much of that has changed now | 18:29 |
| mriedem | jlk: how much of an issue is https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1118066 for you guys? | 18:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1118066 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova should confirm quota requests against Keystone" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 18:30 |
| mriedem | jlk: isn't it arguably a user error? | 18:31 |
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| jlk | mriedem: arguably yes, however users are somewhat led into making that error | 18:34 |
| jlk | quota show output shows the project name. quota set accepts the project name | 18:34 |
| mriedem | jlk: and by users are we talking admins? | 18:34 |
| jlk | it's non-obvious that one has to do an interim step of discovering the UUID of one's project in order to make the client call successful. | 18:34 |
| jlk | mriedem: in our clouds, users can be admins | 18:34 |
| jlk | every customer gets their own cloud, and they're (some level) of admin on that cloud | 18:35 |
| jlk | whether they are acting as admin for other users within their organization, or for themselves, they are the admin and will be making quota calls | 18:35 |
| jlk | sometimes our support org will be doing it for them, and even we run into this because of how non-obvious it is | 18:35 |
| jlk | it happens rarely enough that we all forget | 18:35 |
| mriedem | nova quota-show doesn't give the project name from what i can tell | 18:37 |
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| jlk | openstack client does | 18:38 |
| mriedem | oh ffs | 18:38 |
| mriedem | of course | 18:38 |
| jlk | and it accepts the tenant name | 18:38 |
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| jlk | (doesn't work unless you put in a project/tenant or class) | 18:38 |
| jlk | so it takes in and translates the project name to show the quota, but doesn't do the same to set the quota | 18:39 |
| mriedem | i don't see the project name shown here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/475508/ | 18:40 |
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| jlk | mriedem: because you did show with a UUID instead of show with a name. | 18:52 |
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| jlk | do a quota show with "randomtext" as the input | 18:53 |
| mriedem | ok | 18:54 |
| mriedem | ctrath1: btw, with v2.1 you can't specify random keys | 18:54 |
| mriedem | {"badRequest": {"message": "Invalid input for field/attribute quota_set. Value: {u'foo': 20, u'force': True}. Additional properties are not allowed (u'foo' was unexpected)", "code": 400}} | 18:54 |
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| mriedem | thanks jsonschema validation | 18:54 |
| ctrath1 | ok, cool.. | 18:54 |
| mriedem | jlk: nova quota-show or openstack quota show? | 18:54 |
| jlk | mriedem: openstack quota show | 18:55 |
| mriedem | fails with a 404 | 18:55 |
| mriedem | stack@client:~/devstack$ openstack quota show randomtext | 18:55 |
| mriedem | Tenant ID: randomtext does not exist. (HTTP 404) (Request-ID: req-cc9354ea-5935-45db-be60-b86aaf0a20ea) | 18:55 |
| jlk | ah, so I'm testing against juno | 18:55 |
| mriedem | blarg | 18:55 |
| dansmith | lol | 18:55 |
| jlk | haha | 18:55 |
| jlk | sorry, I should have said something | 18:55 |
| mriedem | ffs, can you guys test against master devstack before saying you are experiencing a bug? :) | 18:55 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I'm having trouble with ipchains in kernel 2.2, can you help? | 18:56 |
| jlk | inorite? | 18:56 |
| ctrath1 | jlk.. are you guys moving to a more recent release in the near future? | 18:56 |
| mriedem | alright, next step is seeing if the bug is still valid - can i create a quota entry for a non-existent project... | 18:56 |
| jlk | yes, kilo is ETA November | 18:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Erlon R. Cruz proposed openstack/nova: Extends Nova API su support volume-type selection https://review.openstack.org/231660 | 18:57 |
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| jlk | mriedem: on Kilo I can, using python-novaclient | 18:58 |
| jlk | nova quota-update --cores 300 derp | 18:58 |
| mriedem | jlk: yeah | 18:58 |
| mriedem | http://paste.openstack.org/show/475511/ | 18:58 |
| jlk | amusingly | 18:58 |
| jlk | nova quota-show --tenant derp now works | 18:59 |
| mriedem | well it's helping | 18:59 |
| jlk | on kilo, quota-show --tenant randomtext also works | 18:59 |
| jlk | I take it hte json schema validation is post kilo? | 18:59 |
| mriedem | this is that quota-update api http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58642462.jpg | 18:59 |
| mriedem | the json schema is v2.1 | 19:00 |
| mriedem | but the json schema is not checking that the projectid you're providing actually exists in keystone | 19:00 |
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| jlk | nod | 19:00 |
| jlk | I can /almost/ see a use case for setting quota before adding the user, so that quota always exists for the user, but no, I don't buy it. | 19:00 |
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| mriedem | yeah that's a crappy use case | 19:01 |
| jlk | users can be disabled, so just create the user as disabled, set the quota, enable the user | 19:02 |
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| mriedem | whoa, those are a lot of steps | 19:02 |
| mriedem | i prefer to hide orchestration in nova | 19:02 |
| jlk | ... | 19:02 |
| jlk | <not sure if.jpg> | 19:02 |
| mriedem | callback to boot from volume thread from last week | 19:02 |
| jlk | oh, I wish I could read the threads, alas... | 19:03 |
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| mriedem | unimportant | 19:03 |
| melwitt | fwiw, I've seen this request a lot in the novaclient bugs, to validate a tenant against keystone. the client can't do this easily because getting tenants from keystone is through the admin api. so a normal user doesn't have auth for that | 19:03 |
| stevemar_ | melwitt: a user should have access to find detais on their own project though | 19:04 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: can you un -2 this change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168858 | 19:08 |
| melwitt | stevemar_: that makes sense, though I didn't know that. I'm trying to think of the case of someone setting a quota for a tenant (other than their own) and being able to validate the tenant exists. if it's admin, that would work fine. if it's not admin and it's specified by some other role, that's more complicated | 19:08 |
| sdague | openstack client does a lot of very weird things when given a name | 19:10 |
| sdague | because of the generic lookup layer | 19:10 |
| stevemar_ | sdague: yeah, i blame the APIs for that one :P | 19:10 |
| stevemar_ | this has a name, this doesn't, this client has a find, this one uses 'display-name' | 19:11 |
| stevemar_ | gah | 19:11 |
| sdague | stevemar_: well, it seems like the logic for that should get pulled into openstackclient, at least annotate it all | 19:11 |
| sdague | because us changing from 404 to 400 on a bunch of these things when you send a name where a uuid should be is going to mean a lot of breaks in openstackclient that could have been avoided | 19:12 |
| stevemar_ | true true | 19:15 |
| mriedem | jlk: also confirmed that nova quota-show --tenant <not exist> does just return default quotas, http://paste.openstack.org/show/475512/ | 19:15 |
| jlk | yeah, that seems... "helpful" | 19:15 |
| mriedem | so it would be confusing to allow showing quotas on a project that doesn't exist but then fail nova quota-update if the project doesn't exist | 19:15 |
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| mriedem | which is probably why there is also that auto-create thing in the update API | 19:15 |
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| jlk | as a user, it seems like "hey it showed me a quota for this thing, I should be able to update it" | 19:15 |
| jlk | and when "that thing" is my tenant name vs my tenant ID, it's easy to fall into the trap | 19:16 |
| mriedem | well, that's old osc it sounds like | 19:16 |
| mriedem | nova quota-show doesn't take a tenant name | 19:16 |
| mriedem | oh nvm, it takes a name i guess | 19:16 |
| jlk | sure. | 19:17 |
| mriedem | both i should say | 19:17 |
| jlk | it just doesn't actually map it | 19:17 |
| mriedem | yeah | 19:17 |
| mriedem | nova quota-show --tenant foo | 19:17 |
| mriedem | works even if foo doesn't exist | 19:17 |
| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Make ImageMeta:disk_format use DiskFormatField https://review.openstack.org/231460 | 19:17 |
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| melwitt | mriedem: I found the old bug I was thinking of related to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1031139 | 19:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1031139 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "quota-show should return error for invalid tenant id" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Mh Raies (raiesmh08) | 19:19 |
| sdague | right, so nova quota-show basically takes defaults, then updates them with info it finds from the server | 19:19 |
| sdague | but it returns the defaults template regardless | 19:19 |
| mriedem | melwitt: heh, added to the pile of bugs here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/validate-project-with-keystone | 19:19 |
| melwitt | oh hey | 19:20 |
| sdague | it is pretty wonky, but it's kind of low priority bug | 19:20 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah right here is the issue https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/quota.py#L189 | 19:20 |
| mriedem | that quotas dict is basically empty | 19:20 |
| sdague | mriedem: hey, on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171098 - why do you say that our floor should be 0.10.2 | 19:20 |
| mriedem | b/c the project doesn't exist | 19:20 |
| mriedem | so it just provides the defaults for everything | 19:21 |
| sdague | right | 19:21 |
| mriedem | rhel 6 brotha | 19:21 |
| sdague | ummm... we don't support python 2.6 | 19:21 |
| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LibvirtDistroSupportMatrix | 19:21 |
| mriedem | sdague: we don't, but with rhel software collections you can get 2.6 on rhel 6.5 | 19:21 |
| mriedem | or whatever | 19:22 |
| mriedem | rhel 6.4 actually | 19:22 |
| sdague | so, honestly, I don't know why we'd support mitaka on rhel6 | 19:22 |
| sdague | I don't think holding libvirt minimum back for rhel6 is reasonable | 19:22 |
| mriedem | plus i think when i brought up bumping minimum required libvirt to something like 1.2.2 (since that's what we gate on), danpb was -2 on that in the ML | 19:22 |
| mriedem | let me find the ML thread | 19:22 |
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| mriedem | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-May/006988.html | 19:24 |
| sdague | I think we should reraise that for mitaka, because that's 2 full cycles that rhel7 has been out there | 19:24 |
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| cfriesen | does nova support LVM thin provisioning for local storage? (the way that cinder LVM does for volumes?) | 19:25 |
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| mriedem | sdague: feel free | 19:26 |
| mriedem | sdague: from re-skimming the thread, tim bell didn't want to move up | 19:26 |
| mriedem | and danpb's reply was http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-May/007012.html | 19:26 |
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| mriedem | sdague: however, we have landed at least one feature in the libvirt driver that can't be tested in any distro, not even fc23 | 19:28 |
| mriedem | setting the admin password in the guest | 19:28 |
| mriedem | oh wait, i mean, next available is fc23 | 19:28 |
| mriedem | which isn't out yet i don't think | 19:28 |
| mriedem | melwitt: i just marked that quota projectid validation bug against 1118066 | 19:30 |
| mriedem | we should do that with any of these we come across | 19:30 |
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| melwitt | mriedem: noted | 19:31 |
| mriedem | wow there are already 11 duplicates of that one | 19:31 |
| mriedem | nice | 19:31 |
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| melwitt | that bug is on fire, high bug heat | 19:31 |
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| erlon | guys, I'm pushing this change, that changes the API, but I have no idea how to bump the microversions in nova | 19:34 |
| erlon | https://review.openstack.org/231660 | 19:34 |
| erlon | does anyone can give me any directions? | 19:34 |
| sdague | erlon: in what way does that change change the API? | 19:38 |
| sdague | it looks like volume_type was already being accepted | 19:38 |
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| erlon | sdague: it adds an additional parameter to os-volumes_boot API | 19:41 |
| mriedem | erlon: i think garyk had a spec for this exact same thing | 19:41 |
| cfriesen | I think it adds volume_type to legacy_block_device_mapping | 19:41 |
| mriedem | erlon: sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/enable-volume-types,n,z | 19:42 |
| erlon | cfriesen: to legacy and v2 i think, i've only tested v2 | 19:42 |
| cfriesen | erlon: the changes to the volumes.py files appear to be purely cosmetic | 19:43 |
| mriedem | erlon: i've -2ed your change since garyk has a series and blueprint up already | 19:43 |
| mriedem | there was a spec here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187812/ | 19:44 |
| erlon | cfriesen: can you please point that in the change? I have no experience in nova | 19:44 |
| mriedem | erlon: basically this makes nova more of a proxy to cinder, which we don't want | 19:45 |
| mriedem | and it's purely for boot from volume, which we also don't want anymore | 19:45 |
| mriedem | except alaski, he loves it | 19:45 |
| sdague | mriedem: we don't want boot from volume any more? | 19:45 |
| mriedem | his child's name is going to be boot from-volume laski | 19:45 |
| sdague | I guess I missed that | 19:45 |
| dansmith | um, wat | 19:46 |
| mriedem | it was a tangent in the cinder.cross_az_attach thread in the -dev ML | 19:46 |
| dansmith | BFV is pretty important to a lot of people | 19:46 |
| alaski | mriedem: lol | 19:46 |
| sdague | yeh, boot from volume is a thing I know lots of folks use | 19:47 |
| alaski | I wrote about removing the creation of a volume from nova, at least from compute | 19:47 |
| erlon | mriedem: yes, there's a lot of people using | 19:47 |
| mriedem | yeah, so, specifically the orchesteration within nova is the thing that some of us don't like | 19:47 |
| alaski | bfv would still work | 19:47 |
| dansmith | oh | 19:47 |
| dansmith | that's not bfv, that's cabfv | 19:47 |
| mriedem | and the fact that if it fails, it fails i nthe compute and you get NoValidHost | 19:48 |
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| dansmith | well, obviously | 19:48 |
| mriedem | and you have to make sure your timeout settings are right and your cache stuff in cinder is all setup | 19:48 |
| dansmith | any failure results in no valid host, that's by design :D | 19:48 |
| mriedem | we should return NoValidHost from nova quota-show | 19:48 |
| mriedem | if user == 'jlk' | 19:48 |
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| mriedem | it would have to be backported to juno though... | 19:49 |
| dansmith | hah | 19:49 |
| dansmith | right, else he wouldn't see it | 19:49 |
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| mriedem | yar | 19:49 |
| mriedem | jlk: btw, is it purely coincidental that you're moving to kilo in november b/c we're doing juno-eol in november? | 19:50 |
| sdague | mriedem: so your concern is nova orchestrating the volume prep? | 19:50 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah | 19:50 |
| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Make ImageMeta:disk_format use DiskFormatField https://review.openstack.org/231460 | 19:50 |
| sdague | ok, that I can accept | 19:50 |
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| alaski | it has been very painful operationally to deal with creation of volumes from within Nova for us | 19:51 |
| alaski | there are sooo many ways for it to fail, and no way to tell anyone why | 19:52 |
| dansmith | alaski: novalidhost seems pretty clear to me | 19:52 |
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| alaski | well yes, besides that helpful message | 19:52 |
| dansmith | translation: "500: NoValidHost: AWS would probably be a better fit for you, kthx" | 19:53 |
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| alaski | heh, or "NoValidHost: Turns out the cloud doesn't mean infinite capacity" | 19:56 |
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| dansmith | maybe we should just start returning $(fortune) instead of NoValidHost | 19:56 |
| dansmith | confuse the users instead of outright pissing them off | 19:57 |
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| alaski | If I've learned anything from web 2.0 it's that we need a cute mascot and a cheeky error message for failures | 19:58 |
| mriedem | how about urkel? | 19:58 |
| mriedem | rlrossit loves urkel | 19:58 |
| mriedem | the error message could be the classic 'did i do that?!' thing | 19:59 |
| dansmith | ugh | 19:59 |
| ctrath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2xifdO_l0 | 19:59 |
| mriedem | let us not forget urkel-o's | 20:00 |
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| alaski | heh, mostly I remember that tiny car that loaded from the front | 20:00 |
| mriedem | i don't recall that really | 20:00 |
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| alaski | http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/loyaltubist/bmwisetta.jpg | 20:01 |
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| rlrossit | wow angelfire | 20:02 |
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| alaski | too bad it couldn't have been geocities | 20:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Remove obj_relationships from objects https://review.openstack.org/231271 | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Clean up tests for dropping obj_relationships https://review.openstack.org/231270 | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix InstanceV1 backports to use context https://review.openstack.org/231649 | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Canary test the backporting from a liberty compute https://review.openstack.org/231486 | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix up Service object for manifest-based backports https://review.openstack.org/231269 | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Drop Instance v1.x support https://review.openstack.org/220690 | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Drop unused obj_to_primitive() override https://review.openstack.org/231686 | 20:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Use oslo versioned object https://review.openstack.org/231689 | 20:11 |
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| melwitt | alaski: I was looking at the request_spec persistence spec and it mentioned about api database vs normal database controlled by context. does that mean in cells v2 it will go in a different database than it would for non-cells? | 20:13 |
| alaski | melwitt: with cellsv2 it will need to be written to the api db before scheduling happens, and then be written to the normal db after | 20:14 |
| jlk | mriedem: coincidental. We'll get into L faster. | 20:14 |
| melwitt | alaski: oh, okay. I had been thinking there won't be any duplicating, but now that you say that I think I recall talk of writing it to normal db (cell db) after scheduling and then deleting it from the api db at that time | 20:15 |
| alaski | melwitt: yeah, it should still be in only one place | 20:17 |
| alaski | at any given time | 20:17 |
| jlk | mriedem: dansmith: this is why I like this project. The zingers :D | 20:17 |
| dansmith | heh | 20:17 |
| bauzas | alaski: planning to propose it again for mitaka ? | 20:19 |
| bauzas | alaski: unless you already did that and I'm just a jerk who asks before checking :) | 20:19 |
| alaski | yeah I still need to do that | 20:19 |
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| bauzas | okay no worries | 20:20 |
| alaski | I am reworking the build_request object one and need to get that one up as well. I'm thinking of doing something a bit different there and would could use some feedback | 20:20 |
| bauzas | alaski: sure, take time | 20:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds Hyper-V UEFI Secure Boot spec https://review.openstack.org/190997 | 20:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: Bringing Glance v2 images to a uniform format https://review.openstack.org/231696 | 20:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Persist the RequestSpec object https://review.openstack.org/231697 | 20:27 |
| alaski | bauzas: ^ | 20:27 |
| bauzas | ack | 20:27 |
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| bauzas | alaski: just modifying the commit msg to add a Previously-Approved tag | 20:29 |
| bauzas | since johnthetubaguy is looking at those :) | 20:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova-specs: Persist the RequestSpec object https://review.openstack.org/231697 | 20:29 |
| bauzas | alaski: ^ | 20:29 |
| alaski | okay, I didn't realize there was an official tag | 20:29 |
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| bauzas | not sure how much it's official tho :D | 20:30 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking says https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:%22previously%22,n,z | 20:30 |
| bauzas | so yeah, you're right, it should have worked too | 20:31 |
| bauzas | my bad :) | 20:31 |
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| alaski | I didn't put "previously" in my message | 20:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Jesse J. Cook proposed openstack/nova: xenapi_device_id integer, expected string https://review.openstack.org/231703 | 20:33 |
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| mriedem | sdague: is this still a thing we want to release as a patch version on stable/liberty? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230591/ | 20:55 |
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| sdague | mriedem: probably, otherwise that is going to break for people on that consoles call right? | 20:56 |
| mriedem | yeah | 20:56 |
| mriedem | we haven't released the change on master yet either | 20:56 |
| doffm | alaski: Is your quotas-reimagined spec going to be re-proposed for mitaka? | 20:57 |
| mriedem | doffm: wasn't that a backlog spec? | 20:58 |
| doffm | mriedem: I believe so. | 20:58 |
| mriedem | those aren't tied to a release if it was backlog | 20:58 |
| alaski | it isn't properly a backlog spec yet | 20:58 |
| alaski | I plan to convert it and propose it | 20:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Backlog: A proposal for how to do quotas differently https://review.openstack.org/182445 | 21:02 |
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| alaski | surely needs some work, but this proposes it to the right place now | 21:02 |
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| bauzas | coolness | 21:04 |
| bauzas | we had some quota discussions this morning | 21:04 |
| bauzas | (uh, EU morning) | 21:05 |
| doffm | mriedem: alaski: Thought it would affect https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226925/ | 21:05 |
| seanw1 | In nova/compute/manager.py -> _prep_resize() a check is made against instance.host == self.host and if the allow_resize_to_same_host is false an exception is thrown. This prep_resize executes on the current host of the instance, and I cannot find where the instance.host is updated to the migrating host so without the allow_resize_to_same_host set to true, an error is always reported, but the resize completes fine and migrates to the new h | 21:05 |
| seanw1 | Is this a bug or am I missing something? | 21:05 |
| doffm | But possibly not, the refresh API might still be useful under the 'differently' model. It would just perform a different audit of the quotas. | 21:05 |
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| alaski | the goal would be for it to no longer be needed | 21:06 |
| alaski | but it may still prove useful | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | doffm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226925/ is really just about adding a CLI that can access nova.db.api.refresh_quota_usages | 21:08 |
| mriedem | if that ends up changing later in a rewrite of quotas, that's fine | 21:09 |
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| alaski | +1 | 21:17 |
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| garyk | johnthetubaguy: you around? | 21:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: remove unnecessary else in blockinfo.get_root_info https://review.openstack.org/231720 | 21:27 |
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| ccarmack | mriedem: fwiw, I put a comment into https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1503290. It might be related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1318721 | 21:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1503290 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "grenade failures on mitaka side with failure prepping block device due to RPC timeout" [High,Confirmed] | 21:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1318721 in Ubuntu "RPC timeout in all neutron agents" [Undecided,New] | 21:27 |
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| jlvillal | sdague: I'm a little confused. Can you tell me how the class StandardLogging(fixtures.Fixture) is used? I grepped for StandardLogging and only found it in test_fixtures.py. Just curious how the other unit tests use it | 22:34 |
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| * jlvillal assumes it is being used, but can't seem to find where it is used. | 22:34 | |
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| vilobhmm111 | danmisth : ping | 22:36 |
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| vilobhmm111 | dansmith : ^^ | 22:37 |
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| vilobhmm111 | if you can have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222423/ servicegroup spec and let me know your feedback it would be helpful | 22:38 |
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| dansmith | vilobhmm111: I know, I've been super busy and haven't had much time for reviews in the last week | 22:41 |
| dansmith | vilobhmm111: I have a few minutes now while waiting for something, so I'll try to read some of it | 22:41 |
| melwitt | jlvillal: you should also find it in the base TestCase in nova/test.py, that's where it's used | 22:41 |
| jlvillal | melwitt: Looking and thanks | 22:42 |
| jlvillal | melwitt: I was in the 'nova/tests/' directory when I was grepping. Thanks! | 22:42 |
| melwitt | jlvillal: ah, okay :) | 22:43 |
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| jlvillal | I assumed everything test related would be there... | 22:43 |
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| vilobhmm111 | dansmith : thanks much! | 22:46 |
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| jwcroppe_ | dansmith: any chance you can check out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219153/ this afternoon? jaypipes and I finally worked something out on this bugger. | 22:53 |
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| dansmith | jwcroppe: I've been trying to avoid your requests to review that since I didn't really like the direction it's going. If I review, it's not going to be nice, | 22:54 |
| dansmith | so you should enjoy my abstinence and find someone else | 22:55 |
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| jwcroppe | dansmith: lol ... ok we will let your back remain turned | 22:55 |
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| jwcroppe | dansmith: anyone else good to look at the metrics stuff? that's tyically a jaypipes area | 22:56 |
| dansmith | not really that I know of | 22:57 |
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| jwcroppe | ok - well I guess we can check with Jay. I think the change he pushed up is a good compromise between fixing an issue and not completely overhauling the metrics. | 22:59 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: alaski: do you feel we should run a cellsv2 meeting tomorrow ? | 23:36 |
| bauzas | (just leave a comment if you wish, I'll see it tomorrow morning my time) | 23:38 |
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| melwitt | bauzas: I don't think I have anything specific to talk on but I plan to do the meeting in case anyone else attends and has anything | 23:48 |
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