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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: Example verification for os-interface.inc https://review.openstack.org/315934 | 00:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Giridhar Jayavelu proposed openstack/nova-specs: VMware: add SR-IOV support https://review.openstack.org/317126 | 01:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Li Yingjun proposed openstack/nova-specs: Pagination for hypervisor spec https://review.openstack.org/282209 | 01:15 |
openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova-specs: Allow user to define the shutdown method through API when stop instances https://review.openstack.org/293790 | 01:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Jinquan Ni proposed openstack/nova: Modify PCI without numa node info treatment https://review.openstack.org/298179 | 01:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: copy image id to image metadata from volume https://review.openstack.org/319905 | 02:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: Example verification for os-interface.inc https://review.openstack.org/315934 | 02:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: Example verification for os-interface.inc https://review.openstack.org/315934 | 02:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Eli Qiao proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add libvirt perf event https://review.openstack.org/319513 | 03:04 |
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xagent | Hi, I have modified a nova neutronv2 API function, and I did modify the according unit test function, but tox errors out in following case. Anyone know whwat it means? | 03:44 |
xagent | if (len(self._expected_calls_queue) == 1 and mox3.mox.ExpectedMethodCallsError: Verify: Expected methods never called: 0. <MultipleTimesGroup "default"> | 03:44 |
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xagent | I am unsure what was not called - if I try to print methods_left, I get the following: | 03:45 |
xagent | (Pdb) dir(self._expected_calls_queue[0]._methods_left) ['__and__', '__class__', '__cmp__', '__contains__', '__delattr__', '__doc__', '__eq__', '__format__', '__ge__', '__getattribute__', '__gt__', '__hash__', '__iand__', '__init__', '__ior__', '__isub__', '__iter__', '__ixor__', '__le__', '__len__', '__lt__', '__ne__', '__new__', '__or__', '__rand__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__ror__', '__rsub__', '__rxor__', | 03:45 |
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xagent | (Pdb) left = list(self._methods_left) | 03:50 |
xagent | (Pdb) dir(left[0]) ['AndRaise', 'AndReturn', 'GetPossibleGroup', 'InAnyOrder', 'MultipleTimes', 'WithSideEffects', '_CheckAndCreateNewGroup', '_PopNextMethod', '_VerifyMethodCall', '__call__', '__class__', '__delattr__', '__dict__', '__doc__', '__eq__', '__format__', '__getattr__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__iter__', '__module__', '__name__', '__ne__', '__new__', '__next__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__ | 03:50 |
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openstackgerrit | jingtao liang proposed openstack/nova: Normalize the options use singele quotes in nova https://review.openstack.org/320215 | 03:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Eli Qiao proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Prevent block live migration with tunnelled flag https://review.openstack.org/310707 | 04:13 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/nova: Remove deprecated configuration option network_device_mtu https://review.openstack.org/319543 | 04:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Add length check in comparing object lists https://review.openstack.org/320220 | 04:59 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/nova: Return instance of Guest from method write_instance_config https://review.openstack.org/265146 | 05:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Sampath Priyankara proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Fix nova host-evacuate for v2.14 https://review.openstack.org/320231 | 06:14 |
openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: parameter verification for os-hypervisors https://review.openstack.org/316681 | 06:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Rajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova: Fix inappropriate notification send https://review.openstack.org/312887 | 06:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Eli Qiao proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add libvirt perf event https://review.openstack.org/319513 | 06:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Sudipta Biswas proposed openstack/nova: Revert "glance:add helper method to get client version" https://review.openstack.org/315968 | 06:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Rong Han proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Fix the content of "disk.config" lost after migrate/resize https://review.openstack.org/288334 | 07:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: copy image id to image metadata from volume https://review.openstack.org/319905 | 07:07 |
openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox in tests/unit/objects/test_instance_info_cache https://review.openstack.org/307155 | 07:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Paul Carlton proposed openstack/python-novaclient: [microversion] Bump to 2.27 https://review.openstack.org/316026 | 07:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/303345 | 08:10 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/303345 | 08:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/nova: Implement state machine for migration. https://review.openstack.org/241479 | 08:36 |
openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/nova: Implement state machine for evacuation. https://review.openstack.org/241478 | 08:36 |
openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/nova: Implement state machine for resize. https://review.openstack.org/241477 | 08:36 |
openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/nova: Implement state machine for live-migration. https://review.openstack.org/241476 | 08:36 |
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mdbooth | lyarwood_: http://tinyurl.com/gr56e6j | 08:39 |
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mdbooth | I believe that graph is a 12 hour average, and ceph (check) seems to be on the rise | 08:39 |
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mdbooth | while the reference non-ceph job isn't | 08:40 |
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lyarwood_ | mdbooth: ack, I was looking at http://tinyurl.com/jmvfa2x | 08:40 |
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mdbooth | lyarwood_: Does that look like there was a blip around midnight, but it's gone away? | 08:42 |
mdbooth | Doesn't seem as significant as the other graph suggests | 08:42 |
lyarwood_ | mdbooth: yeah AFAICT it's stable now, just checked a few failures from that time and they don't appear to be ceph related anyway | 08:43 |
mdbooth | Weird. | 08:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Roman Dobosz proposed openstack/nova-specs: FPGA resource use cases https://review.openstack.org/318047 | 08:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhengguang Ou proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: fix detach volume race condition https://review.openstack.org/290510 | 08:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Jinquan Ni proposed openstack/nova: Modify PCI without numa node info treatment https://review.openstack.org/298179 | 08:51 |
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tangchen | alex_xu: Hi Alex, would you please take a look at this BP for me ? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/migration-state-machine | 08:59 |
tangchen | alex_xu: need approve in newton. :) | 08:59 |
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cdent | mdbooth: "I think this code is regularly running a pretty expensive | 09:20 |
cdent | task looking for something which will very rarely happen, only to generate | 09:20 |
cdent | a log message which nobody is looking for" ++ | 09:20 |
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cdent | dammit, I thought I got the linefeeds out of that. anyway: great message, thank you. | 09:21 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/nova: Remove deprecated security_group_api config option https://review.openstack.org/319537 | 09:30 |
mdbooth | cdent: Well, if that characterisation is correct, anyway. Somebody wrote that code. Maybe I missed something. | 09:33 |
openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] OVS offload POC https://review.openstack.org/275624 | 09:34 |
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johnthetubaguy | tangchen: I wasn't sure we all agreed that was the right way to fix that problem, I guess we didn't do a spec about that one? | 09:37 |
openstackgerrit | Anh Tran proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox stubs in api/openstack/compute/test_virtual_interfaces.py https://review.openstack.org/320325 | 09:37 |
openstackgerrit | Laszlo Hegedus proposed openstack/nova: Add versioned exception notification https://review.openstack.org/310700 | 09:39 |
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cdent | mdbooth: it seems likely. There's a lot of stuff happening throughout the system which smacks of "we better puts this here just in case (and even though it would probably better handled by something external)" | 09:41 |
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markus_z | nova-bugs team meeting in ~15 min in #openstack-meeting-4. New contributors are welcome as well. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova/BugsTeam | 09:43 |
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johnthetubaguy | cdent: we do have a lot of historic scope creep | 09:46 |
johnthetubaguy | cdent: certainly worth deprecating some of that | 09:46 |
cdent | BURN IT ALL DOWN | 09:47 |
cdent | oh sorry, just had a moment there, better now | 09:47 |
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johnthetubaguy | :) | 09:48 |
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tangchen | johnthetubaguy: Hi, john, in Mitaka cycle, we agreed that this doesn't need a spec. So I didn't propose one. | 09:52 |
mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Are you aware of any reason to keep that code, btw? | 09:53 |
tangchen | johnthetubaguy: So OK, shall we discuss it in the nova meeting or some other time ? | 09:53 |
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johnthetubaguy | tangchen: yeah, I thought that was the case... I am not sure I understand what is being proposed properly from the blueprint. Its worth raising at the meeting, if you are going to attend it. | 09:53 |
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johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: good question, do you have the link handy again? | 09:54 |
mdbooth | cdent: Incidentally, if you're in favour of keeping it would you mind piping up on the list? Crickets would be enough to justify deleting it, I guess, but positive support would be better :) | 09:54 |
mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Sure, sec | 09:54 |
johnthetubaguy | oh wait, I see you note on the ML now... | 09:55 |
mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095751.html | 09:55 |
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johnthetubaguy | so this is actually about some folks who were worrying about disk "drift" | 09:55 |
johnthetubaguy | like over time its not the same bits stored on the disk as was there originally | 09:55 |
cdent | mdbooth: I'm favour of killing it, but assumed you were primarily looking for operator/real-world feedback rather than feedback who just wants to get cruft out of code? | 09:56 |
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tangchen | johnthetubaguy: Ok, I'd like to attend the nova meeting, but I'm not sure which one should I attend. The live migration meeting ? | 09:56 |
mdbooth | cdent: Both would be nice :) | 09:56 |
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johnthetubaguy | tangchen: the main one is the default, but I think the live-migration meeting is a good idea, see what that subteam thinks | 09:56 |
mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Yeah, that's what I guessed. I don't think this is really achieving it, though. | 09:56 |
cdent | mdbooth: noted, will get something on there soon | 09:56 |
tangchen | johnthetubaguy: OK, thank you very much. :) | 09:57 |
johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: there is the worry about bad actors as well, I guess | 09:57 |
mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: This is possibly one I hadn't considered. What's the bad actors thing? | 09:57 |
johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: either way, it probably makes more sense to check it on the "next" boot from the image, rather than always hammering the disk | 09:57 |
cdent | johnthetubaguy, mdbooth wouldn't it be better to check for changes at time of use, not every periodic task? | 09:57 |
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cdent | or is the concern that there needs to be info as soon as it happens, for forensics? | 09:58 |
johnthetubaguy | cdent: jinx, and yes | 09:58 |
mdbooth | Well, we don't check other disks | 09:58 |
johnthetubaguy | well, maybe... but that feels like over kill | 09:58 |
mdbooth | It just seems a it random | 09:58 |
johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: well we check them all on boot | 09:58 |
johnthetubaguy | after download from glance | 09:58 |
mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: I mean the actual overlay/copy | 09:58 |
mdbooth | Disks which aren't in the image cache | 09:58 |
mdbooth | Also ephemeral disks, swap disks | 09:59 |
markus_z | nova-bugs team meeting in #openstack-meeting-4. New contributors are welcome as well. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova/BugsTeam | 09:59 |
mdbooth | The qemu binary | 09:59 |
mdbooth | libvirt | 09:59 |
mdbooth | nova itself | 09:59 |
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mdbooth | I mean, there's a whole host of potentially corrupt stuff we're not checking on every boot | 09:59 |
johnthetubaguy | so I like the idea of checking the md5 before booting, as we do that after copying it from glance | 10:00 |
johnthetubaguy | the background always checking seems like overkill | 10:00 |
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cdent | johnthetubaguy, mdbooth maybe move this to the list so that we don't have to go over it again there? | 10:00 |
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mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Ok, lets discuss on list. I'm not personally convinced it serves any purpose. | 10:01 |
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mdbooth | cdent: jinx | 10:01 |
mdbooth | ;) | 10:01 |
johnthetubaguy | cdent: +1 typing something now | 10:01 |
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cdent | I think we've used up all the available jinxes today. | 10:01 |
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johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: I would rather do that check on boot though (although that does slow down every boot) | 10:06 |
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eliqiao | sudipto: hi there? | 10:16 |
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sudipto | eliqiao, hi yeah. | 10:17 |
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eliqiao | sudipto: Thanks for giving comments on spec "Add libvirt perf event", I got a question, as per your suggestion, I wonder does nova-scheduler supporting using VM's tag filter host? | 10:17 |
eliqiao | sudipto: FYI the spec link is https://review.openstack.org/319513 | 10:18 |
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sudipto | eliqiao, can you explain such a tag? That would help answer i guess. | 10:19 |
eliqiao | why you are uncomfortable with enable perf per host? | 10:19 |
eliqiao | sudipto: from your comments: "I am somehow more comfortable enabling this as a per VM tag as opposed to a host wide tag." | 10:20 |
sudipto | eliqiao, enabling perf on the host is OK. However, it seems like you are going to enable the perf collection on a per VM basis? | 10:20 |
eliqiao | sudipto: yes. | 10:21 |
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eliqiao | we can collect some perf event from libvirt APIs | 10:21 |
hieulq | johnthetubaguy: could you take a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317832/ ? markus_z have confirmed with this patch-set | 10:21 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Adds Hyper-V OVS ViF driver https://review.openstack.org/140045 | 10:21 |
sudipto | eliqiao, so if a host has 40 guests running on it. It would start gathering the same on 40 such Virtual Machines on the host right? | 10:21 |
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eliqiao | sudipto: I don't think so, that depend on if you are calling libvirt API to gather data. | 10:22 |
sudipto | eliqiao, and perf is something that you might need for profiling a certain virtual machine as opposed to every other VM on the host. So i recommended you to have this feature enabled via a tag on the - flavaor (extra_specs) | 10:23 |
sudipto | eliqiao, understand. Hence i wanted to also know the implications of this feature. What happens after you have added the tag to the VM XML? | 10:23 |
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johnthetubaguy | hieulq: ah, yeah, I should check that topic again | 10:23 |
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eliqiao | sudipto: nothing, next time you calling libvirt's API getdomstats(I guess the name), you will get the perf event you configured in the VM XML. | 10:24 |
eliqiao | sudipto: without specify perf event in XML, you won't get that event data. | 10:25 |
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sudipto | eliqiao, ah i see. So it's like preparing the VM for perf data collection that triggering it from nova right? | 10:26 |
sudipto | s/that/than | 10:26 |
eliqiao | sudipto: correct. | 10:27 |
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sudipto | eliqiao, I like your idea. However i have few more questions. | 10:28 |
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eliqiao | sudipto: yes, please. | 10:29 |
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sudipto | eliqiao, what happens when you have tagged the VM with the cmt xml? When do you start programming in the counters for the VM? | 10:30 |
hieulq | johnthetubaguy: thanks :-) | 10:30 |
sudipto | eliqiao, in other words, when does perf start collecting the data against that VM? | 10:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Dao Cong Tien proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox from api/openstack/compute/test_deferred_delete.py https://review.openstack.org/320346 | 10:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Verify requested_destination in the scheduler https://review.openstack.org/314509 | 10:34 |
openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: API change for verifying the scheduler when live migrating https://review.openstack.org/318334 | 10:34 |
openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: API change for verifying the scheduler when evacuating https://review.openstack.org/315572 | 10:34 |
openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Add requested_destination field to RequestSpec https://review.openstack.org/312757 | 10:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Adelina Tuvenie proposed openstack/nova: Added support for new block device format in vmops https://review.openstack.org/246299 | 10:38 |
openstackgerrit | Adelina Tuvenie proposed openstack/nova: Add support for setting boot order in Hyper-V https://review.openstack.org/248029 | 10:38 |
openstackgerrit | Tomi Juvonen proposed openstack/nova-specs: Maintenance reason to server https://review.openstack.org/310510 | 10:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Tomi Juvonen proposed openstack/nova-specs: Set Maintenance Reason https://review.openstack.org/320349 | 10:41 |
eliqiao | sudipto: only when you try to getdomainstats. | 10:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: pci: Deprecate is_new from pci requests https://review.openstack.org/310990 | 10:44 |
openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: pci: Allow to update pci_requests in instance_extra https://review.openstack.org/312028 | 10:44 |
openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: pci: Move PCI devices and PCI requests into migration context https://review.openstack.org/307124 | 10:44 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/nova: Remove deprecated security_group_api config option https://review.openstack.org/319537 | 10:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Tomi Juvonen proposed openstack/nova-specs: Maintenance Reason To Hypervisor https://review.openstack.org/320350 | 10:46 |
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eliqiao | sudipto: still there? Adding perf event flags to XML won't start pulling event | 10:51 |
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sudipto | eliqiao, sorry had to switch ports. So ok, i have understood your point but my understanding is this now - after this conversation | 11:01 |
sudipto | eliqiao, you describe the VM in nova (does it start calculating the hardware counters at this point?) - then make the getdomstats call from Ceilometer or some such metering agent (this probably means that it can now give you data based on the counters it was collecting in the past). | 11:02 |
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sudipto | eliqiao, the way i see it is, while these are hardware counters - i am not sure of the greatest impact on the software stack. Let's assume, per your argument that it's not going to be much. Also from nova's perspective, there's no collection of this data involved - and hence counter overflows or periodic intervals are beyond it's control. | 11:03 |
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sudipto | eliqiao, however for elegance, why would someone want to enable these l3 misses as a generic counter for all the VMs on a host. Instead I might want to chose my VMs that i would want profiling on. Do you agree to that? | 11:04 |
openstackgerrit | Laszlo Hegedus proposed openstack/nova: Add versioned exception notification https://review.openstack.org/310700 | 11:06 |
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sudipto | eliqiao, i think you answered few of my queries on the review. So i will wait for others' comment on it. Thanks! | 11:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Remove compute-compute communication in live-migration https://review.openstack.org/292271 | 11:08 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/nova: Remove deprecated configuration option use_local https://review.openstack.org/319544 | 11:16 |
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eliqiao | sudipto: I just back to home now. sorry I miss some words, reading irc log.. | 11:17 |
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eliqiao | sudipto: so you are still have comments on why to enable all perf counter for all VMs? | 11:17 |
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jroll | bauzas: hey, in case you missed it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320016/1 | 11:28 |
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jroll | you might be interested in that | 11:28 |
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bauzas | jroll: ++, I'm about to use the next week for reviewing all the specs | 11:34 |
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jroll | bauzas: awesome, thanks :) | 11:35 |
bauzas | jroll: just tbh, I'm not a nova-specs core :) | 11:35 |
jroll | bauzas: I care more about scheduler experts' opinions at this stage, really | 11:36 |
bauzas | :) | 11:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Evgeny Antyshev proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: add nova volume driver for vzstorage https://review.openstack.org/190843 | 11:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Abhishek Kekane proposed openstack/nova: Use is_valid_cidr from oslo_utils https://review.openstack.org/320375 | 11:40 |
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markus_z | sdague: When we talk about "type" in the api-ref, we talk about the JSON type, right? | 11:56 |
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markus_z | sdague: Which means a UUID will always be represented as a string. | 11:57 |
openstackgerrit | Dao Cong Tien proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox from unit/api/openstack/compute/test_migrations.py https://review.openstack.org/320392 | 11:58 |
markus_z | sdague: I'm asking because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1583701 | 11:58 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1583701 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "api-ref docs: use correct type for UUIDs" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Gage Hugo (gagehugo) | 11:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Adds RemoteFX support to the Hyper-V driver https://review.openstack.org/42529 | 12:00 |
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markus_z | claudiub: There are 2 new DocImpact bug reports for hyper-v: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1584554 + https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1584199 | 12:04 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1584554 in OpenStack Compute (nova) " Hyper-V: Implement nova rescue" [Undecided,New] | 12:04 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1584199 in OpenStack Compute (nova) " HyperV: Nova serial console access support" [Undecided,New] | 12:04 |
markus_z | claudiub: I think the one for "rescue" is already done because that patch also updating the hypervisor support matrix. | 12:05 |
claudiub | yep | 12:06 |
markus_z | claudiub: The "serial console" one, is that an interactive console? | 12:06 |
claudiub | yep | 12:06 |
markus_z | So just a check at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html#console_serial_interactive ? | 12:07 |
markus_z | s/check/tick | 12:07 |
claudiub | yeah, that should be it | 12:07 |
markus_z | coolio, I'll close the "rescue" one and update the "serial" one, thanks! | 12:08 |
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claudiub | sure, thank you too. :) | 12:08 |
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eliqiao | sudipto: around ? | 12:10 |
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dane-fichter | dane-fichter: johnthetubaguy I have a pending spec and patch up that are related to what you and mdbooth were discussing re: the image cache | 12:17 |
dane-fichter | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312210/ | 12:17 |
dane-fichter | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314222/ | 12:18 |
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openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: verify api-ref metadata.inc https://review.openstack.org/318600 | 12:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Make checks before live-migration async https://review.openstack.org/320416 | 12:34 |
Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy: Hi could you have a check on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293790/ ? | 12:34 |
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bauzas | johnthetubaguy: in case you could reapply your +2 for a very small modification ? (RequestedDestination name) | 12:36 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: oops https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312757/10 | 12:37 |
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markus_z | zhenguo_: You're talking about scheduling here, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1582663 | 12:43 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1582663 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "An Ironic node should not be exposed to Nova if no Ironic port is associated with it" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Zhenguo Niu (niu-zglinux) | 12:43 |
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openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: api-ref verify of servers-admin-action.inc https://review.openstack.org/311727 | 12:45 |
zhenguo_ | markus_z: yes, if a node without any port associated, we should not schedule to it | 12:45 |
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openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: verify api-ref os-migrations.inc https://review.openstack.org/318004 | 12:47 |
markus_z | zhenguo_: Could you add some pointers to the bug description? | 12:47 |
markus_z | zhenguo_: Do you want to filter those nodes out when the scheduler tries to determine a host? Or what's you plan to solve this? | 12:48 |
zhenguo_ | markus_z: no, I can set it unavailable in ironic driver when collecting resources | 12:48 |
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markus_z | zhenguo_: So somewhere near this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/d2875b78b5746bfcb082a7c5385375d704518581/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L166-L166 ? | 12:52 |
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zhenguo_ | markus_z, yeah, I plan to add the check there | 12:54 |
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markus_z | jroll: ^ That's a valid issue, isn't it? | 12:55 |
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markus_z | jroll: context: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1582663 | 12:55 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1582663 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "An Ironic node should not be exposed to Nova if no Ironic port is associated with it" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Zhenguo Niu (niu-zglinux) | 12:55 |
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mdbooth | dane-fichter: Will look at both, thanks | 12:56 |
dane-fichter | mdbooth: Thanks! I think deprecation of the existing checksum mechanism could easily be added. | 12:57 |
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jroll | markus_z: seems legit, though this is going to hit the ironic api like crazy | 12:57 |
jroll | (if done how I think it will be done) | 12:57 |
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* jroll thinks maybe we shouldn't allow transition to AVAILABLE state if no ports are defined | 12:58 | |
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openstackgerrit | Lucian Petrut proposed openstack/nova: Add Hyper-V storage QoS support https://review.openstack.org/175479 | 12:58 |
markus_z | jroll: Ah, it's part of a periodic task, right? | 12:59 |
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jroll | markus_z: yes, but right now we do one api call to fetch all node objects, that won't include if there are ports or not, we could either do $nodecount api calls for ports, or one huge /ports call and join in python | 13:00 |
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markus_z | jroll: That's why it will hit the Ironic API quite often. | 13:00 |
jroll | either way isn't great :) | 13:00 |
jroll | markus_z: anyway, it's a valid bug, to answer your question :) | 13:00 |
zhenguo_ | jroll: yeah, as the bug description said, at first I plan to do that in verifying process, but operators can also remove the port when it's already in available state | 13:00 |
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jroll | zhenguo_: aha, that should be fine | 13:01 |
jroll | zhenguo_: sorry, missed that verifying bit | 13:01 |
markus_z | jroll: Yeah, I was just a little curious how Ironic works. I know next to nothing about it :) | 13:01 |
jroll | markus_z: like most nova folks :) | 13:01 |
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jroll | markus_z: tl;dr if there's no ports defined, we can't hook up networking | 13:02 |
* markus_z feels safe as part of the majority :D | 13:02 | |
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pilgrimstack | do you know if there is a bp or spec about extending the states of an instance to provide the information about real connectivity availability for example? | 13:03 |
markus_z | jroll: yeah, and saying "this node is available" and then fail a provisioning on that node seems rather ugly | 13:03 |
markus_z | cool cool, again something learned | 13:03 |
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pilgrimstack | the goal should be to be sure to have an ssh connection available and not targeting the boot time while ssh is not yet ready. | 13:04 |
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moshele | sean-k-mooney: hi can you join SR-IOV meeting ? | 13:06 |
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markus_z | auggy: Can you maybe host the nova-bugs-team meeting on next Tuesday, 05/31? That's the US friendly time slot and we have a local team event at this time. | 13:07 |
pilgrimstack | ping bauzas, do you have information about it? | 13:07 |
bauzas | pilgrimstack: mmm ? /me scrolling back | 13:08 |
bauzas | ah | 13:08 |
bauzas | pilgrimstack: you mean knowing whether the instance is responding to SSH ? | 13:08 |
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bauzas | I mean, checking whether the guest OS is running good or bad ? | 13:09 |
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sdague | pilgrimstack: the answer is no | 13:09 |
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bauzas | pilgrimstack: honestly, not sure it's part of the Nova mission | 13:09 |
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sdague | pilgrimstack: it would definitely need a spec, and it's sufficiently tricky on the edges | 13:11 |
johnthetubaguy | +1 to what sdague just said | 13:12 |
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johnthetubaguy | and honestly, +1 to bauzas too | 13:12 |
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bauzas | pilgrimstack: the real problem is that Nova shouldn't really think about supporting this or that as supported guest OSes | 13:13 |
bauzas | there is a Tempest (and Defcore) discussion about that IIRc | 13:13 |
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sdague | johnthetubaguy: sure... except, the amount of code that's written to do ping / ssh tight loops against guests in the wild world is kind of gross | 13:13 |
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sdague | but, it is sufficiently tricky, especially when something goes wrong | 13:14 |
bauzas | yeah | 13:14 |
bauzas | that looks to me better to be checked by another project which could get information from the guest | 13:14 |
sdague | bauzas: maybe, there are a lot of details you don't have access to | 13:15 |
bauzas | or that would mean virt drivers should support an introspection state API | 13:15 |
sdague | bauzas: it's not really introspectionm | 13:15 |
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sdague | because it's really "can I talk to this service from the outside world" | 13:15 |
bauzas | sdague: I thought pilgrimstack was mentioning a guest responding to ping or ssh ? | 13:16 |
sdague | it would more likely be some kind of structured metadata on images about services that should exist | 13:16 |
sdague | bauzas: right, that's not guest introspection | 13:16 |
sdague | that's network layer | 13:16 |
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bauzas | agreed then | 13:17 |
sdague | the virt driver wouldn't actually be involved | 13:17 |
bauzas | it's a network-related question | 13:17 |
bauzas | yeah, I see your point and you're right | 13:17 |
bauzas | that looks honestly very terrible to see it in Nova | 13:17 |
sdague | but, that also makes assurances about every part of your network config | 13:17 |
johnthetubaguy | there is certainly a problem to be solved here that needs a solution | 13:18 |
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johnthetubaguy | I know we have an auto install of a monitoring agent (external and internal) that checks these kinds of things for you, but I am sure there are other ways to do this. | 13:19 |
pilgrimstack | agree, customer needs are: I need to know when my instance/os is reachable without trying and getting timout until my service is ready | 13:20 |
johnthetubaguy | for completeness, this is what is used: http://blueflood.io/ | 13:20 |
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pilgrimstack | more of that, the customers need to know it from OpenStack API | 13:20 |
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bauzas | johnthetubaguy: when I was op, we were using other ways to know the completeness of an instance creation from the guest PoV | 13:21 |
bauzas | but all of those solutions look hardly to be implemented in the low-level that Nova is | 13:21 |
bauzas | hard* | 13:22 |
sdague | right, it's sufficiently tricky | 13:22 |
johnthetubaguy | +1 on it being a tricky problem, that needs thought (i.e needs a spec) | 13:22 |
bauzas | IIRC, Heat provides a callback mechanism for knowing whether the stack creation is ended | 13:23 |
sdague | the place to annotate the information is clearly the image, but the thing that has to verify it seems clearly neutron, and who is responsible for keeping track of it is.... weird | 13:23 |
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bauzas | but that implies that the guest can reach the callback API | 13:23 |
sdague | bauzas: does stack creation really verify that though? | 13:23 |
johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 it feels to me like it sits on top of multiple OpenStack APIs | 13:23 |
bauzas | sdague: IIRC, yes | 13:23 |
pilgrimstack | using meta-data + userdata, cloud-init get specific instruction from meta-data and PUT something on nova side | 13:23 |
pilgrimstack | ? | 13:23 |
bauzas | sdague: maybe at the template level tho | 13:24 |
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pilgrimstack | juste an idea | 13:24 |
bauzas | pilgrimstack: well, like sdague,it's a network-related problem | 13:24 |
johnthetubaguy | so I did have a spec for allowing a guest to post server tags and metadata via the metadata service | 13:24 |
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johnthetubaguy | I do like the "i'm am done" ping from cloud-init as a callback, not so sure I like the general system | 13:25 |
sdague | well, it also requires a very different scaling model on the metadata server | 13:25 |
bauzas | yeah | 13:25 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 | 13:25 |
sdague | which is a massively untested chunk of code designed to be read only right now | 13:25 |
johnthetubaguy | well, it does have set-ers already, for password, but its certainly not high frequency | 13:26 |
sdague | right | 13:26 |
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eliqiao | hi sdague johnthetubaguy , I got a qustion, I wonder what kinds of `sepc` can be added to flavor's extra spec filed, is there any guide? | 13:29 |
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johnthetubaguy | eliqiao: I think jaypipes has some specs on replacing that with something that is more controlled and well defined. Its a bit messy right now | 13:30 |
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eliqiao | johnthetubaguy: thanks, so seems this is not good time to propose adding new extra_spec to flavor | 13:31 |
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johnthetubaguy | eliqiao: it depends how important it is, but I wouldn't recommend it | 13:32 |
eliqiao | BTW, can you help to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319513/ (prevously propos to add extra_spec to flavor) | 13:32 |
eliqiao | sdague gave some comments yesterday on use-case, and I improved them already. | 13:33 |
openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Remove block_migration argument from live migration operations https://review.openstack.org/295316 | 13:33 |
openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Remove block_migration from LM post operations https://review.openstack.org/295315 | 13:33 |
openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Remove block_migration from LM rollback https://review.openstack.org/292826 | 13:33 |
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eliqiao | Sudipta suggested to add tag to flavor's extra_spec but seems doesn't make sense now. | 13:34 |
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pilgrimstack | bauzas: not sure it's only a network problem, if you think about it more globally, like "I did something, now I want to update my state" from a instance point of view | 13:36 |
pilgrimstack | ok so, I'll write a spec for the backlog, no skill to speak about implementation ;) | 13:36 |
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bauzas | pilgrimstack: well, I'm just thinking that the solution is not really good for Nova because it's at least a network problem | 13:37 |
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bauzas | but I certainly acknowledge the problem which requires a solution | 13:38 |
bauzas | just that the solution could probably involve more than nova | 13:38 |
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kashyap | BobBall: 'check-citrix-xenserver' seems to fail -- Is it just me? | 13:39 |
BobBall | linky? | 13:39 |
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BobBall | http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova suggests that it is just you... but before I lay blame it'd be good to have a further dig that it's not something weird about your patch :) | 13:41 |
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kashyap | BobBall: Yeah, checking the log - http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/09/319209/9/16214/run_tests.log | 13:43 |
BobBall | stack.sh failed but it's not at all clear why... | 13:44 |
BobBall | just says generate-subunit not found | 13:44 |
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kashyap | Yeah, looking... | 13:45 |
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BobBall | hum de hum... very plausible that it's related to your change somehow though | 13:46 |
kashyap | I didn't change anything w.r.t those deps | 13:47 |
BobBall | I wonder if systemctl is installed but not active | 13:47 |
kashyap | BobBall: If it's not active, it should resort to `service`. | 13:47 |
BobBall | you mean sysctl itself should? or devstack? cuz devstack is only checking it exists? | 13:48 |
BobBall | heh | 13:48 |
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BobBall | Missing a space after True? | 13:49 |
bauzas | pilgrimstack: sdague: johnthetubaguy: so, I remember now how Heat signals a guest OS running http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/software_deployment.html#signals-and-wait-conditions | 13:49 |
bauzas | it's what they call "wait conditions" | 13:49 |
BobBall | I've seen lots of issues with missing spaces, but never really understood when it causes a problem and when it doesn't | 13:49 |
kashyap | BobBall: Sigh, let me check | 13:50 |
BobBall | kashyap: Yes - that's the problem | 13:50 |
BobBall | kashyap: I'm surprised it works anywhere else... | 13:50 |
kashyap | Yep, that it... | 13:50 |
BobBall | http://paste.openstack.org/show/498614/ | 13:50 |
bauzas | pilgrimstack: sdague: johnthetubaguy: that's basically a curl call by the guest OS to the Orchestration API | 13:50 |
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bauzas | which is passed thru userdata | 13:51 |
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BobBall | Ah - looks like our CI is just so awesome that it reports very quickly. If you wait long enough, I bet Jenkins will fail the patch too :) | 13:51 |
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kashyap | BobBall: Yeah, it _is_ awesome! | 13:52 |
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kashyap | BobBall: And, hey -- I bothered to diligently check it :P | 13:52 |
BobBall | Yes - Thank you indeed! :) | 13:52 |
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kashyap | Likewise, for the catch. | 13:53 |
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johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton2: paul-carlton: PaulMurray: took a look at the auto complete live-migrate stuff, looks really close, I just had one thing that confused me when I was reading the spec | 13:55 |
johnthetubaguy | it might be my inability to read, but added a comment about that | 13:55 |
PaulMurray | thanks johnthetubaguy - paul-carlton and I had a long chat about it the other day - I think he misinterpreted your comment :) | 13:58 |
PaulMurray | will look | 13:58 |
openstackgerrit | Evgeny Antyshev proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: add nova volume driver for vzstorage https://review.openstack.org/190843 | 13:58 |
PaulMurray | Live migration IRC meeting about to start on #openstack-meeting-3 PaulMurray paul-carlton2 eliqiao shaohe_feng pkoniszewski jlanoux yuntongjin mdbooth kashyap kmartin claudiub tobasco tdurakov andreas_s abhishekk diana_clarke | 13:59 |
tdurakov | PaulMurray: hey, last week got cold so, missed the meeting, will join now | 13:59 |
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pkholkin | johnthetubaguy: sdague: hi folks! do you have some time to discuss this my spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239663/ | 14:03 |
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pkholkin | I started the implementation and understood some problems/questions | 14:03 |
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pkholkin | mriedem: are you here, too? ^ | 14:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Gleb Stepanov proposed openstack/nova: Add console log offset https://review.openstack.org/292473 | 14:05 |
kashyap | pkholkin: He's away on leave for a few days. | 14:05 |
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sdague | pkholkin: sure, what's the issue? | 14:06 |
pkholkin | kashyap: thanks! | 14:06 |
sean-k-mooney | moshele: not sure if your still about. sorry i was not at my desk. i assume the SR-IOV meeting you wanted me to attend is over? | 14:07 |
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pkholkin | sdague: the first thing is as I see now keypairs could be got also from api db https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/objects/keypair.py#L198-L202 . I wanted to add to this function parameters 'limit' and 'marker' but now it should be done somehow for two dbs | 14:09 |
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sdague | pkholkin: right, you will need to do that | 14:10 |
pkholkin | e.g. limit / 2 for each, different markers | 14:10 |
pkholkin | as I understand they should be separate | 14:11 |
sdague | oh, because of online migrations.... | 14:11 |
sdague | ug | 14:11 |
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Guest71132 | we have that for flavors.. works fine | 14:11 |
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pkholkin | sdague: it looks more complex than our general paging | 14:13 |
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Guest21621 | pkholkin: sdague: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/objects/flavor.py#L651-L682 | 14:13 |
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auggy | markus_z: yes I can! | 14:13 |
kashyap | BobBall: BTW -- the subunit thing seems to be a real bug, afazekas points out - https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1547379 | 14:13 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1547379 in devstack "./stack.sh: line 488: generate-subunit: command not found" [Undecided,Invalid] | 14:13 |
Guest21621 | pkholkin: also, you could just page the new location and not the old and exclude the old data if paging is requested, since that migration should be done early in a newton deploy and then it goes away | 14:13 |
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BobBall | interesting | 14:14 |
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sdague | dansmith: ah, I get it, definitely odd on stable ordering, but I guess it's about as good as one gets | 14:14 |
dansmith | sdague: yeah, the sorting thing is a different problem, but the paging is not hard | 14:15 |
sdague | right | 14:15 |
dansmith | for keypairs we could sort by owner when we do the online migrations and make the sorting more likely to be right if we cared, but .. it's a brief window | 14:16 |
openstackgerrit | Yosef Hoffman proposed openstack/nova: Update Support Matrix https://review.openstack.org/320477 | 14:16 |
pkholkin | dansmith: I should look into that code for details, thanks for the link | 14:16 |
dansmith | pkholkin: np | 14:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: Fixed clean up process in confirm_resize() after cold migration https://review.openstack.org/320478 | 14:16 |
kashyap | BobBall: That might not be as interesting: "that error is a false positive, it's happening because generate-subunit is called in the exit hook" [from #openstack-qa] :-) | 14:17 |
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pkholkin | sdague: dansmith: about sorting, in sqlaclhemy.api we filter them by 'user_id' https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L3085 | 14:18 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: Fixed clean up process in confirm_resize() after cold migration https://review.openstack.org/320478 | 14:18 |
BobBall | oh haha fair enough | 14:18 |
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pkholkin | I don't understand for what 'order_by' is needed here | 14:18 |
pkholkin | we can e.g. order_by them by 'name', but by 'user_id' they are already filtered | 14:19 |
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dansmith | pkholkin: I don't see order_by in that | 14:20 |
pkholkin | in spec we said that we want to add it here | 14:20 |
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pkholkin | but now I think why ) | 14:21 |
dansmith | unsure | 14:21 |
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pkholkin | maybe I mean sorting in some other place? | 14:22 |
pkholkin | not in getting key pairs from db | 14:22 |
pkholkin | because I'm also confused | 14:23 |
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pkholkin | sdague: dansmith: ^ | 14:24 |
pkholkin | you* mean, sorry | 14:24 |
dansmith | pkholkin: are you referring to my "sort by user first" comment? | 14:25 |
pkholkin | dansmith: yes | 14:26 |
pkholkin | and for spec in general | 14:26 |
sdague | honestly, I think we can ignore the sort by user_id bit, lets just try to create a stable order around the db key | 14:26 |
sdague | it's a paging spec, not a sorting one | 14:26 |
pkholkin | I have some misunderstanding now | 14:26 |
sdague | and sorting is going to be all over the place with the 2 dbs anyway | 14:26 |
dansmith | pkholkin: I meant in the keypair migration so that a given user is more likely to have their keypairs all unmigrated or migrated, but I was just brainstorming.. no need for you to make a change | 14:27 |
alaski | wth http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ailuropoda/tree/README.md | 14:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Pushkar Umaranikar proposed openstack/nova: Improve help text for resource tracker options https://review.openstack.org/320147 | 14:28 |
pkholkin | sdague: dansmith: ok, I will think a little bit and try to write some implementation piece of code to look at | 14:28 |
pkholkin | thanks for your help | 14:28 |
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dansmith | alaski: nice | 14:29 |
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sdague | alaski: is that their attempt for fail whale? | 14:30 |
alaski | I guess so. The big tent is much larger than I expected | 14:31 |
sdague | well, that's not big tent | 14:31 |
sdague | that's just random things | 14:31 |
sdague | sigh, I wish cgit was useful - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ailuropoda/tree/images/v1/sad_panda01.png?id=b835ab2113da27d5c747b9e984eb74ddd19a3f8b | 14:31 |
alaski | oh, there's no barrier to getting a repo now? | 14:32 |
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sdague | alaski: osi license | 14:32 |
sdague | just like stackforge | 14:32 |
alaski | https://github.com/openstack/ailuropoda/blob/master/images/v1/sad_panda01.png | 14:32 |
alaski | sdague: ahh | 14:32 |
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alaski | dansmith: I hope you're sufficiently caffeinated for a discussion. I ran into a interesting issue around deletes in cellsv2 | 14:33 |
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dansmith | alaski: oh boy | 14:34 |
alaski | doffm: melwitt bauzas ^ if you're interested | 14:34 |
alaski | so the crux of it is that right now deletes block further progress on a boot due to expected_task_state checks on instance.save | 14:34 |
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alaski | but a delete of a BuildRequest does not block further progress | 14:35 |
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alaski | so a delete of an instance before it is scheduled does not prevent scheduling | 14:35 |
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dansmith | alaski: meaning if you're in the middle of scheduling? | 14:35 |
alaski | yes | 14:35 |
bauzas | interesting | 14:35 |
alaski | so I've been considering adding a lock to the instance_mapping | 14:35 |
dansmith | alaski: but we can avoid the build going to the cell post-scheduling or something pretty easily right? | 14:36 |
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alaski | dansmith: we don't have anything to do that yet, but it shouldn't be too hard to add it | 14:36 |
dansmith | alaski: oh, you delete the buildreq once we've scheduled or something right? buildreq is short-lived? | 14:36 |
alaski | dansmith: yes | 14:36 |
dansmith | alaski: don't we have the reqspec too? | 14:36 |
alaski | the flow is add build_req, map to build_req, schedule, write instance, map to instance, deleted build_req | 14:37 |
alaski | dansmith: we do | 14:37 |
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dansmith | alaski: if you delete in the middle of schedule there, | 14:37 |
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alaski | I was thinking of catching the delete at the "map to instance" phase, but that would require cleaning up an instance that had just been written | 14:37 |
dansmith | alaski: then when we go to map_instance we fail because the buildreq is gone right? | 14:38 |
alaski | no, the map is independent of the buildreq | 14:38 |
bauzas | alaski: you want to avoid a scheduling call, or you just want to prevent an exception when updating the mapping ? | 14:38 |
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alaski | bauzas: I want to prevent the build from proceeding after scheduling | 14:38 |
bauzas | okay | 14:39 |
dansmith | alaski: I think you just need to delete build_req and instance if it exists during delete, and then in write_instance make sure the buildreq is there, and in map_to_instance make sure the instance is there, no? | 14:39 |
bauzas | I was about to say the same | 14:40 |
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bauzas | delete instance and build_req and just make sure you can't update something which is deleted | 14:40 |
alaski | dansmith: that should work, but I think it leaves a tiny race | 14:40 |
bauzas | we're still in the api conductor right? | 14:41 |
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alaski | because we can't write the instance in a transaction with build_req | 14:41 |
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alaski | bauzas: yes | 14:41 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: Fixed clean up process in confirm_resize() after cold migration https://review.openstack.org/320478 | 14:42 |
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dansmith | alaski: ah right, so the race is just that a delete could go unnoticed at some point right? | 14:42 |
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bauzas | alaski: is that terrible to accept updating instance.host and just verify when mapping the instance to the cell that the row was not deleted ? | 14:42 |
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alaski | dansmith: yes | 14:42 |
dansmith | alaski: we might need to check that the buildreq is still there after we create the instance before we return or someting | 14:42 |
bauzas | f*ck, netsplit | 14:42 |
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dansmith | alaski: but a single dropped delete request that isn't blocked isn't the worst thing I think | 14:43 |
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alaski | dansmith: it's not. and it's a place I wouldn't expect many deletes to happen in | 14:43 |
alaski | a post check on buildreq, after instance write, does minimize it further I think | 14:43 |
dansmith | alaski: you could write the instance and delete the buildreq in the same operation (separate transactions of course) and just handle the rollback if you fail to delete the buildreq | 14:44 |
dansmith | right | 14:44 |
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alaski | okay. we'll I'll try going in that direction. But I'm open to further ideas | 14:45 |
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alaski | I was thinking of something similar with locking the instance_mapping. but checking build_req is roughly equivalent | 14:45 |
bauzas | doffm: dansmith: FYI, I -1d https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294806/ because of a missing check, but I'm all good for the rest of the series | 14:46 |
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bauzas | doffm: dansmith: we could add that check later, but given it's a migration check, I thought it was better to do that in the main change | 14:46 |
bauzas | doffm: dansmith: if you're adding it quickly, I'll +2 it | 14:46 |
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alaski | bauzas: I'm not sure I understood your comment earlier. when mapping to the cell the instance row should never be deleted because without the mapping the delete code will not reach that instance row | 14:47 |
bauzas | alaski: oh right | 14:48 |
bauzas | alaski: but deleting an instance could possibly be deleting the cell mapping afterwards, so I guess I'm silently nodding what you and dansmith proposed | 14:49 |
lucasagomes | folks, quick q: Does nova support reloading configuration files on SIGHUP? I've tried it on devstack and it does not seem to be the case for n-api and n-cpu | 14:49 |
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mlavalle | cdent: ping | 14:49 |
cdent | mlavalle: hello | 14:50 |
sdague | lucasagomes: not in the general case for sure | 14:50 |
mlavalle | cdent: hi, quick question.... are you implementing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300176/? | 14:50 |
dansmith | lucasagomes: oslo.config has some support for it but nova doesn't use it at all, AFAIK, and definitely may cache values causing weird behaviors if you reload | 14:50 |
sdague | I don't know if any of the mutable annotations landed yet | 14:50 |
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cdent | mlavalle: yes, pretty much | 14:50 |
lucasagomes | sdague, right, what would be the case ? For context, the spec about rolling upgrades talks about SIGHUP which is currently unsupported in Ironic. So I've started looking into it | 14:51 |
lucasagomes | any tips/guidance is appreciated | 14:51 |
cdent | mlavalle: the relevant stack of in progress code is near https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293104/ | 14:51 |
sdague | lucasagomes: hmmm.... I'm not sure how SIGHUP relates to rolling upgrades | 14:51 |
lucasagomes | dansmith, cool, yeah I saw the multable parameter that can be added to the config options | 14:51 |
dansmith | lucasagomes: we support sighup for recalculating the automatic version pin | 14:51 |
lucasagomes | sdague, yeah, that's what I'm trying to understand too (asked in the spec) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299245/9 | 14:51 |
cdent | mlavalle: there's a fair bit of flailing around and back and forth between code and spec as we figure out how reality is going to interfere | 14:51 |
dansmith | lucasagomes: but that's only in that case, not for reloading the config even for a static pin | 14:51 |
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lucasagomes | sdague, it seems that it's a fundamental part of the current propose in Ironic, but I don't think it's fundamental as well since nova does not rely on it (that was my question there) | 14:52 |
mlavalle | cdent: yeah, reality is tough :-) | 14:52 |
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alaski | bauzas: cool | 14:52 |
lucasagomes | dansmith, right, gotcha. I will investigate it further | 14:53 |
dansmith | lucasagomes: I can try to comment on that spec if you lik | 14:53 |
lucasagomes | dansmith, that would be great if you have some minutes to do it | 14:54 |
lucasagomes | very appreciated | 14:54 |
dansmith | yep | 14:54 |
cdent | mlavalle: there's a temporary pause in progress on that stack while some database tables get moved from cell to api | 14:54 |
mlavalle | cdent: that patchset is at the top of the stack, right? | 14:55 |
kashyap | tdurakov: So, from the meeting channel... | 14:55 |
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kashyap | tdurakov: I'll be back in an hour or so from the train. First I need to head out for a bit, I'm afraid. | 14:55 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: ok, ping me then | 14:55 |
cdent | mlavalle: yes, and the entire stack needs to come in under those here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314781/ and here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315682/ | 14:56 |
pkholkin | dansmith: Dan, could you please look this my patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304180/. There are some object changes, so I think you should look as an expert there :) | 14:56 |
shaohe_feng | johnthetubaguy: ping\ | 14:56 |
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shaohe_feng | johnthetubaguy: can you have a look at this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139910/20 | 14:57 |
dansmith | pkholkin: crap on a stick! is that really as small as that patch can be? | 14:57 |
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pkholkin | dansmith: It looks like yes) api changes need many files to add/change( | 14:59 |
dansmith | pkholkin: :( | 14:59 |
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sdague | pkholkin: you should be able to do the object changes in a dedicated patch | 15:00 |
shaohe_feng | baoli_: ping. can you help to look at this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139910/20 | 15:00 |
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cdent | mlavalle: did you have some questions, or were you just getting the lay of the land? | 15:02 |
sdague | pkholkin: especially given the object changes are wrong and break upgrades | 15:02 |
pkholkin | do you mean that cpu models objects hierarchy? | 15:02 |
mlavalle | cdent: getting the lay of the land. Want to follow up this. Thanks for the great response | 15:02 |
sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/80/304180/13/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-multinode/aa3d773/logs/subnode-2/old/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz#_2016-05-20_13_38_09_708 | 15:02 |
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cdent | mlavalle: my pleasure | 15:03 |
sdague | pkholkin: basically do all the infrastructure on the nova objects to support the new thing | 15:03 |
pkholkin | I want to look it too | 15:03 |
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sdague | and make the api changes to use that new things a dedicated patch | 15:03 |
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sdague | dansmith: that schedule to all nodes test wins the day of realizing that old can't talk to the cluster any more | 15:03 |
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dansmith | sdague: um what? | 15:04 |
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sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304180 | 15:04 |
sdague | it fails multinode grenade | 15:04 |
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sdague | because there are objects compatibility issues | 15:04 |
sdague | and on the new side, you can no longer land anything on old nodes | 15:05 |
dansmith | sdague: that's just a mind-o on the sending side, but .. yeah, compat routine didn't work so fail = goodness | 15:05 |
dansmith | sdague: I told you I'm never working on a project without a multinode grenade job right? :) | 15:06 |
sdague | heh | 15:07 |
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pkholkin | sdague: I will fix that mentioned error | 15:10 |
pkholkin | but what do you prefer to split here? | 15:10 |
sdague | pkholkin: I still think you should split the patch | 15:10 |
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sdague | the objects changes in one patch | 15:11 |
pkholkin | there is one file https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304180/13/nova/objects/vcpu_model.py with some vcpu_model_hierarchy | 15:11 |
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sdague | then a follow up with the microversion bump and the changes needed for that | 15:11 |
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sdague | because the objects changes shouldn't need to touch the api layer in anything more than a very trivial way | 15:11 |
pkholkin | ok, and what about changine compute_node object? | 15:11 |
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pkholkin | changing* | 15:12 |
pkholkin | it will be in the second with all other changes except that file? | 15:12 |
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pkholkin | or changing compute_node should be included in the first change? without microversion bumb & | 15:13 |
pkholkin | bump* ? | 15:14 |
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pkholkin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304180/13/nova/objects/compute_node.py | 15:15 |
dansmith | pkholkin: there are lots of issues with this, I'm leaving you comments :) | 15:15 |
pkholkin | sdague: I think we can do all object changes in one the first | 15:15 |
pkholkin | dansmith: that is great! ) thank you ! | 15:16 |
sdague | pkholkin: cool | 15:16 |
openstackgerrit | Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add multiattach support to Nova https://review.openstack.org/304681 | 15:16 |
pkholkin | sdague, dansmith: thanks for help, will work and come back with it) | 15:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova: NOT-FOR-MERGE: Dummy change to exercise live migration CI job https://review.openstack.org/319934 | 15:23 |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: added a few comments and uploaded a new patch set as well | 15:28 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: do you know who I could ask for more details about OS assisted snapshots? | 15:28 |
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kashyap | tdurakov: Heya | 15:40 |
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kashyap | tdurakov: I'm here (on the bus) for 15 minutes -- then get on the train -- they available for 2hrs | 15:40 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: so, I've checked again, this restart doesn't help me | 15:45 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: any ideas? | 15:46 |
kashyap | tdurakov: Did you check the file I sent on the meeting channel? Do you see exactly the same behavior? | 15:46 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: could you explain results a bit | 15:47 |
PaulMurray | alaski, dansmith johnthetubaguy I think we agreed in Austin to go ahead with this trivial patch, but its been lying around since: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215483/ | 15:48 |
PaulMurray | any chance of a review to get it out the way please? | 15:48 |
kashyap | tdurakov: See the first 4 cases here: https://kashyapc.fedorapeople.org/behavior-of-systemctl-and-service-with-libvirt-bin-on-Xenial.txt | 15:48 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: according to this, i need to do service stop /service start, right? | 15:48 |
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kashyap | tdurakov: It is not a prescription; it was just my results from testing. Clark said, he could get the libvirt-bin service up, and the 'gate64' model being detected once he issued an explicit restart. | 15:49 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: yup | 15:49 |
kashyap | tdurakov: But yes -- according to the above what you said is what I observe. | 15:50 |
tdurakov | the problem i faced with, even if libvirt start to see gate64 vm creation fails | 15:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove APIRouter of legacy v2 API code https://review.openstack.org/313902 | 15:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API tests which use wsgi_app() https://review.openstack.org/313192 | 15:51 |
kashyap | tdurakov: How are you creating 'gate64 vm'? This one -- http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/tools/build-image.sh | 15:51 |
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mdbooth | dane-fichter: Hadn't seen https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189843/ . Nice. Any reason not to default that on? | 15:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Support for both microversion headers https://review.openstack.org/300077 | 15:59 |
cdent | sdague, johnthetubaguy: you guys +2 the spec for that ^. I reckon it is fairly close to ready. | 16:00 |
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johnthetubaguy | cdent: the docs appear to be "from the future" a little bit | 16:10 |
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johnthetubaguy | cdent: I think we need to tell people more details on when that new header is available | 16:11 |
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johnthetubaguy | there are lots of deployments exposing microversions that don't support the new header | 16:11 |
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cdent | johnthetubaguy: I debated with myself on the write way to make those doc changes and eventually settled on: Explain reality as it is when this code is merged, so that people will rejigger their expectations accordingly. I figured since it was dev docs, that was the right thing to do. For the end user docs...nothing _has_ to happen yet, people can go on doing things the old way if that's what they want. | 16:12 |
cdent | s/write way/right way/ sigh, unintentional pun | 16:13 |
johnthetubaguy | cdent: that makes sense, I guess we just need to be specific about when the new world applies | 16:13 |
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johnthetubaguy | cdent: anyways, just reading through, will submit the comments in a sec | 16:13 |
cdent | specific to whom, and what are the variable on "when" | 16:13 |
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johnthetubaguy | cdent: so we know which microversion must be present for the header to work | 16:14 |
johnthetubaguy | if the cloud doesn't support that, then you have to send the old header, I assume | 16:14 |
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cdent | johnthetubaguy: yeah, but if someone is reading these docs, they have the new code, yeah? | 16:15 |
markus_z | oomichi: Is this still a thing https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1533487 ? The auto-expiration didn't hit because an importance is set. | 16:15 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1533487 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "test_create_server_with_personality fails on the gate" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 16:15 |
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cdent | I'm understanding the general concern (making sure people understand globally what's up with microversions), but not understanding how it fits into the context of this change. | 16:15 |
johnthetubaguy | cdent: no, the docs are public on our website | 16:15 |
johnthetubaguy | cdent: new api-ref is read by old and new users | 16:16 |
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cdent | hrmmm, and that's generically associated with a version? | 16:16 |
johnthetubaguy | http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/ | 16:16 |
cdent | sorry _not_ | 16:16 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, not | 16:16 |
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johnthetubaguy | cdent: we only have one API, and you see the evolution of it in that one doc | 16:16 |
cdent | for sake of understanding: what have I changed in my patch that touches the url you've just shared? | 16:17 |
johnthetubaguy | cdent: hmm, actually none of it, I was thinking about this file: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300077/11/doc/source/api_microversion_dev.rst | 16:18 |
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oomichi | markus_z: it is fine to make it incomplete at this time as the LP history. | 16:18 |
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hemna | johnthetubaguy, when you have a minute..... | 16:18 |
hemna | no hurry | 16:19 |
johnthetubaguy | cdent: those docs go there: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/ | 16:19 |
markus_z | oomichi: "incomplete" is an open state, that's why I'm asking. | 16:19 |
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cdent | johnthetubaguy: I reckon I probably do need to touch those files, but I hadn't yet, thus my confusion | 16:19 |
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johnthetubaguy | cdent: yeah, sorry, adding their location in the comments | 16:20 |
cdent | johnthetubaguy: awesome thanks | 16:20 |
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johnthetubaguy | cdent: you could ask why we describe that in three places right now, but anyways... | 16:20 |
oomichi | markus_z: ah, ok. I have changed it to invalid with the comment on the LP | 16:21 |
markus_z | oomichi: thanks! | 16:21 |
cdent | I'm (very slowly) learning to only ask questions like that maybe once a week, instead of daily. | 16:21 |
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johnthetubaguy | cdent: oh no! thats bad | 16:23 |
cdent | It's exhausting keeping it up every day | 16:23 |
johnthetubaguy | true | 16:23 |
johnthetubaguy | although its good | 16:23 |
johnthetubaguy | hemna: hey | 16:23 |
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hemna | hey, so in my effort to remove check_attach calls during BFV, I noticed something quite odd | 16:24 |
hemna | http://paste.openstack.org/show/498382/ | 16:24 |
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hemna | it seems that bdm.get() isn't working | 16:24 |
hemna | in this one case | 16:24 |
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hemna | this is code that exists today that I haven't changed. | 16:24 |
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johnthetubaguy | hemna: oh, is that because we removed the dict compat? | 16:25 |
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hemna | luckily that code is only for deciding what log message to output | 16:26 |
hemna | but I noticed it was always wrong for BFV, so I put in some logs to find out what was up | 16:26 |
hemna | and found that | 16:26 |
johnthetubaguy | hmm, that is odd, just looking at https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/objects/block_device.py#L43 seems we still do the compat stuff | 16:26 |
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hemna | I just wonder if that's causing issues elsewhere where it might actually matter | 16:27 |
hemna | (something other than logging) | 16:27 |
johnthetubaguy | hemna: very, very, possibly | 16:27 |
hemna | ok, so I guess I'll file a bug then | 16:28 |
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johnthetubaguy | hemna: could you reduce it to a unit test? that would be interesting | 16:28 |
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hemna | heh nova unit tests scare me :P | 16:29 |
hemna | I'll see what I can do | 16:29 |
openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova: Fix instances with unicode symbols logging https://review.openstack.org/320564 | 16:31 |
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hemna | johnthetubaguy, so from what I can tell the nova/tests/unit/virt/test_block_device.py uses fake dicts for their bdms. | 16:38 |
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hemna | which all seem to go through the fake_bdm_object() call...I presume that creates a real bdm from a dict ? | 16:39 |
johnthetubaguy | hemna: I am not sure actually, we have some very bad unit tests, I have to run away in a second or two I am afraid | 16:40 |
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johnthetubaguy | hemna: I was thinking use create an object, fill up stuff, and see how you can get hold of it, if that makes sense? | 16:40 |
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hemna | ok I'll keep hacking on this. I'll try and add a unit test in there to reproduce the same bug | 16:41 |
openstackgerrit | Paul Carlton proposed openstack/nova-specs: Automatic Live Migration Completion https://review.openstack.org/306561 | 16:41 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: so, I'm creating gate64 as usual, by patching cpu_map with script from devstack/tools | 16:44 |
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kashyap | tdurakov: Hmm | 16:46 |
tdurakov | so it works for 14.04 | 16:46 |
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kashyap | I have an Ubuntu machine - I can fiddle around and see if I can get a working DevStack locally on Xenial with 'gate64' VM -- I use Fedora for daily-work. | 16:46 |
tdurakov | kashyap: btw http://xsnippet.org/361722/ | 16:47 |
tdurakov | I'm a bit confused that error message points to qemu, not libvirt | 16:47 |
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kashyap | tdurakov: A libvirt migration dev told me: "libvirt should have translated gate64 into something different (but for some reason it didn't do it)" | 16:50 |
kashyap | tdurakov: After looking at that error. | 16:50 |
kashyap | And as I guessed, asked if we can reproduce it with upstream... | 16:50 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: yup, found the same in the docs, about cpu_model translation to nearest possible | 16:52 |
tdurakov | so, there is some kind of issue for xenial, will try to debug this either | 16:52 |
kashyap | tdurakov: And also unfortunately nothing interesting seems to be captured from the CPU driver in the debug log | 16:53 |
kashyap | Yep, a solid reproducer test case should tease out the problem | 16:53 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: hope so | 16:54 |
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tdurakov | kashyap: will ping you tomorrow, now need to go | 16:54 |
rlrossit | FYI the notification meeting will start in 5 minutes | 16:55 |
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rlrossit | (openstack-meeting-4) | 16:55 |
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kashyap | tdurakov: Sure, me too. Hope this doesn't turn into a bottom-less pit. | 16:57 |
tdurakov | kashyap: fyi, tried to shrink amount for cpu features | 16:58 |
tdurakov | same result | 16:58 |
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sdague | kashyap / tdurakov / clarkb ... I think http://logs.openstack.org/34/319934/2/experimental/gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-live-migration/b87d689/logs/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz#_2016-05-24_15_59_12_531 is not actually libvirt related | 17:06 |
sdague | I think it's qemu | 17:06 |
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kashyap | sdague: libvirt migration dev said this a QEMU dev: "The issue is not QEMU" | 17:07 |
tdurakov | sdague: +1 | 17:07 |
kashyap | sdague: Because, first that 'gate64' should not make it into QEMU command-line | 17:07 |
kashyap | sdague: libvirt is constructing the QEMU command-line. I'll discuss on #virt OFTC in the morning with the devs to see if I can get any more useful info. | 17:07 |
kashyap | But, as we can see here: http://logs.openstack.org/34/319934/2/experimental/gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-live-migration/b87d689/logs/libvirt/qemu/instance-00000003.txt.gz | 17:09 |
sdague | kashyap: ok, well then previous libvirts did this differently | 17:09 |
tdurakov | kashyap: one more question on this, libvirt has cpu_model.xml, so, what about qemu? | 17:09 |
kashyap | sdague: libvirt is somehow using: "-cpu gate64" into the QEMU command-line | 17:09 |
kashyap | sdague: On a proper, working machine, | 17:09 |
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kashyap | That "-cpu" should be something else that QEMU can detect | 17:10 |
sdague | tdurakov: for qemu it's compiled in | 17:10 |
sdague | there is no config | 17:10 |
kashyap | tdurakov: sdague The CPU models for QEMU can be figured by running: | 17:10 |
kashyap | $ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu \? | 17:10 |
jaypipes | tdurakov: how does one get the progress/status of a live migration via Nova API? | 17:11 |
sdague | tdurakov: http://git.qemu.org/?p=qemu.git;a=blob;f=target-i386/cpu.c;h=895a386d3b7a94e363ca1bb98821d3251e70c0e0;hb=HEAD#l694 | 17:11 |
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sdague | kashyap: right, it doesn't matter how it's determined, the fact is that it's compiled ine | 17:11 |
kashyap | tdurakov: libvirt should translate 'gate64' into one of the models from the output of `qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu \?` | 17:11 |
kashyap | sdague: Yep | 17:11 |
sdague | kashyap: how would it translate that? | 17:12 |
tdurakov | kashyap, sdague, will check it on 14.04 soon | 17:12 |
tdurakov | just for comparison | 17:12 |
tdurakov | jaypipes: are you asking about this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320416/ ? | 17:13 |
openstackgerrit | Lucian Petrut proposed openstack/nova: Add Hyper-V storage QoS support https://review.openstack.org/175479 | 17:13 |
kashyap | sdague: Have to look into the libvirt source to check | 17:13 |
openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Add console auth object https://review.openstack.org/320063 | 17:15 |
openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Add console auth tokens db api methods https://review.openstack.org/319964 | 17:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Paul Carlton proposed openstack/nova: Permit Live Migration of Rescued Instances https://review.openstack.org/308198 | 17:16 |
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sdague | so it looks like in libvirt 1.2 it's passing different things - http://logs.openstack.org/29/42529/24/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-full/5f504c5/logs/libvirt/qemu/instance-0000000b.txt.gz | 17:17 |
sdague | -cpu Opteron_G1,-pse36 | 17:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Make checks before live-migration async https://review.openstack.org/320416 | 17:18 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: hyperv: Adds RemoteFX release notes https://review.openstack.org/320585 | 17:18 |
patrickeast | anyone know how to configure nova+privsep to not spam everything into warning log level? is that possible? | 17:18 |
patrickeast | like, i want to see warnings, but not for commands that execute successfully, example: http://openstack-logs.purestorage.com/43/309443/9/check/PureISCSIDriver-tempest-dsvm-volume-multipath/d1f77c0/logs/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2016-05-24_15_41_09_331 | 17:18 |
tdurakov | sdague: if it so, well, it's libvirt issue | 17:18 |
tdurakov | libvirt somehow fails to find closest cpu model for gate64 | 17:19 |
sdague | right it looks like old libvirt was forcing our flags definition into the qemu one | 17:20 |
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kashyap | sdague: Yep, I don't know if this is reproducible upstream libvirt | 17:24 |
kashyap | sdague: What is this older libvirt version? | 17:26 |
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sdague | 1.2.2 | 17:27 |
openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Support for both microversion headers https://review.openstack.org/300077 | 17:27 |
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cdent | johnthetubaguy: made some adjustments on the microversion stuff. not sure it's yet perfect, but I've run out of mental capacity for that sort of thing, so pushed up what I've got for further comments, notably from mr sdague as I know he's got thoughts about such things | 17:27 |
kashyap | Thanks | 17:27 |
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dane-fichter | mdbooth: I tend to agree that we should split the verification out of the image cache. Should we just move it to the fetch() method? | 17:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Paul Carlton proposed openstack/nova: Permit Live Migration of Rescued Instances https://review.openstack.org/308198 | 17:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Trivial: Fixes serial console minor nits https://review.openstack.org/320599 | 17:45 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: probably a little late for mdbooth | 17:48 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: Oh is he "across the pond"? | 17:48 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: I assume you mean verification of images before boot, right? | 17:48 |
dane-fichter | correct. | 17:48 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: yeah, he's in the UK | 17:48 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: so I don't understand why that's useful | 17:48 |
dansmith | as I said on the ML | 17:48 |
dane-fichter | IWhich aspect? The existing ImageCacheManager or my spec/patch? | 17:49 |
dane-fichter | or the existing signature verification? | 17:49 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: if we're not running TPM-authenticated signed code, then if you managed to muck with the image on disk before or after boot, there's really no way we're going to detect that | 17:49 |
dansmith | and checking at boot and not after is just hoping that the attacker shows up at the right time | 17:50 |
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dane-fichter | dansmith: Ok so for all of the image signature verification stuff, we're trusting the compute nodes | 17:50 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: so check after download is really all we need, yes? | 17:51 |
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dane-fichter | if you can't trust the compute nodes, you're just hosed since those run your instances | 17:51 |
dansmith | with an optional tool to let ops scan their base images from cron if they want | 17:51 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: well the patch I have up is meant to be optional, it's a config option | 17:51 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: signature verification is definitely an "opt in" feature lol | 17:52 |
dansmith | but if it's not really buying us anything, then it's really just theater and an extra config option :) | 17:52 |
dane-fichter | I agree with you/mdbooth that the compelling case is when the image cache isn't on the same machine as the compute node | 17:53 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: that case makes it even less useful I think, | 17:53 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: because you have hundreds of instances booted from one image-cache image | 17:54 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: how so? | 17:54 |
dansmith | I can alter that one after those are booted and wait for them to have to page /sbin/scarything in from disk and they're hosed | 17:54 |
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dansmith | the periodic scanning of that image cache definitely does not need to be done by each compute node on an interval or at boot.. it can be done constantly by a tool, or protected as write-once by the backend or something | 17:55 |
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dane-fichter | dansmith: I thought "done constantly by a tool" was essentially what the image cache manager was for | 17:57 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: so as of right now we only verify image signatures on download. if we move this code up to fetch it'll check for corruption before every boot | 17:58 |
dane-fichter | regardless of whether the image was fetched from cache of Glance | 17:58 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: multiple computes scanning a shared image cache periodically is kindof dumb right? | 17:59 |
dane-fichter | certainly seems like wasted effort to me haha but I didn't build that ImageCacheManager | 17:59 |
sdague | kashyap / clarkb / tdurakov I dumped my current understanding of the situation on the mailing list | 17:59 |
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kashyap | sdague: Thanks; I'll fetch mail once I'm off the train. | 18:00 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: so verifying them on download is really the only thing I think makes sense to me to be part of the main path | 18:00 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: a separate tool that could be run to validate the cache from a single spot (or on each compute node from cron) might be useful | 18:01 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: building it into the image cache manager periodic scan doesn't to me | 18:01 |
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kashyap | sdague: What is the thread subject? | 18:01 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: where would that live? how would we distribute it to operators? | 18:01 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: if other people think it is, and it's optional, then I'm semi-meh | 18:01 |
kashyap | sdague: Disregard me, found it | 18:02 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: I think we're growing more needs for a nova/ops-tools directory, so I think you could make this argument there | 18:02 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: numa: Fixes NUMA topology related unit tests https://review.openstack.org/278835 | 18:02 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: fixes python 3 related unit tests https://review.openstack.org/278834 | 18:02 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Fixes python 3 unit tests https://review.openstack.org/278810 | 18:02 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: It will definitely be optional, everything related to signature verification is. | 18:02 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Fixes python 3 urllib quote / unquote usage https://review.openstack.org/278809 | 18:02 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: I think we can just use the existing config flag and not add another one | 18:03 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: so instead of "theater" + config option it'll just be "theater" | 18:03 |
dansmith | well, I'm "meh" on adding more theater, but... whatever :) | 18:04 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: I think pushing the verification up to fetch satisfies the requirements of the people who pay me and also gets rid of the redundant scanning dumbness | 18:05 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: compute: fixes python 3 related unit tests https://review.openstack.org/300262 | 18:05 |
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dane-fichter | dansmith: and also makes it easier for y'all to deprecate a good portion of that ImageCacheManager code, which seems to be the plan | 18:06 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: it doesn't because instances that are already booted are vulnerable | 18:07 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: periodic scanning is *more* useful than on boot, IMHO | 18:07 |
dansmith | also because every compute does it for every image in a shared cache on boot, which is just silly | 18:07 |
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dane-fichter | dansmith: Is the shared cache a common configuration? | 18:08 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: or do operators configure a local image cache for each compute host? | 18:08 |
dane-fichter | I think a decent amount of the dumbness of scanning by various compute nodes hangs on that question | 18:09 |
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dane-fichter | i.e. it's not so dumb if each compute host is scanning it's own cache | 18:09 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: I think it's pretty dumb either way | 18:15 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: because again, if I get on the host to modify an image, I'm going to first make sure nova-compute is modified so I'm not detected | 18:15 |
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dane-fichter | dansmith: Still seems worthwhile to check the integrity of your cache. Doesn't it increase the level of difficulty to the attacker and increase the odds of detecting them? | 18:17 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: I think it's amazingly trivial to get around, so no I don't think so | 18:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Adds RemoteFX support to the Hyper-V driver https://review.openstack.org/42529 | 18:18 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: all I do is change the nova.conf value, restart the service and then go about my business right? if I'm root already, that's pretty trivial | 18:18 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: assuming that the attacker has rooted the compute host is not trivial. | 18:19 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: if you're assuming that the compute service has been rooted in your security model then any discussion of any security feature is pretty much moot | 18:20 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: of course not, but that's the case where we have to check the integrity of our images right? | 18:20 |
bauzas | p!spy | 18:20 |
openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Image: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/318948 | 18:21 |
openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Rbd: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/317694 | 18:21 |
openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Flat: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/317701 | 18:21 |
openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Ploop: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/317689 | 18:21 |
openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Qcow2: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/320610 | 18:21 |
openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Lvm: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/320611 | 18:21 |
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dane-fichter | dansmith: No. the case is simply that an attacker has accessed the image cache. Maybe it's on a different machine and they compromised that, maybe there's some quirky bug that lets you replace cached images | 18:21 |
dane-fichter | dansmith: (there was a CVE in glance last cycle that basically let you do that btw) | 18:22 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: if they have write access to the image cache, then they can trivially root the box right? because they can construct images with write access to /etc/passwd? | 18:22 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: and if they have write access to the images, they are running as the nova user, which means they can probably affect nova-compute | 18:23 |
openstackgerrit | Jim Rollenhagen proposed openstack/nova-specs: Re-architect ironic-multiple-compute-hosts https://review.openstack.org/320016 | 18:23 |
jroll | jaypipes: devananda: ^ friendly reminder this is a thing :) | 18:23 |
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dane-fichter | dansmith: I'm sorry I don't follow either claim. | 18:25 |
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dane-fichter | I don't see how write access implies that it's easy to jump to root or that they are necessarily running as the nova user | 18:26 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: the users that have write access to the image cache are nova and root right? | 18:26 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: anyway, I see your narrower goal I guess.. I'm not sure I think it's overly useful, but it's also not that big of an impact if someone wants to opt-in to it | 18:26 |
dane-fichter | I would assume so. | 18:26 |
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dansmith | I think it's still theaterish (maybe, midly-fictionalized biopic vs. Aliens) | 18:27 |
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dansmith | like I said, if it's opt-in and people think it's useful, then I'm meh | 18:28 |
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dane-fichter | dansmith: I guess better 'meh' then 'boo'. Thanks for taking the time to talk to me. I appreciate it. | 18:29 |
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dansmith | dane-fichter: meh is about the best one gets out of me, so you should be happy :P | 18:29 |
dansmith | dane-fichter: ask cdent | 18:30 |
dane-fichter | lol I've seen the feared dan smith -1 in action | 18:30 |
dansmith | heh | 18:31 |
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cdent | dansmith, dane-fichter ask me what? | 18:50 |
dansmith | cdent: nothing, joke | 18:50 |
cdent | bummer, I was hoping for something exciting | 18:51 |
dansmith | nope | 18:51 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Repropose expose-host-capabilities to Newton https://review.openstack.org/286520 | 18:51 |
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d_code | I’m trying to do pci-passthrough (physical function) with nova mitaka. nova-compute finds the devices that are in my pci_passthrough_whitelist, but the scheduler for pcipassthroughfilter removes all hosts for the request | 19:00 |
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d_code | is there a way to find out more about what is going on? | 19:00 |
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melwitt | d_code: looking at nova/scheduler/filters/pci_passthrough_filter.py shows that would happen if the flavor extra_specs don't match any devices in the whitelist. you can turn on debug level logging on the scheduler to see more detailed logs about it | 19:17 |
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edleafe | married3Months | 19:25 |
edleafe | ugh | 19:25 |
cdent | ugh? | 19:26 |
rlrossit | time to change passwords! | 19:26 |
cdent | aw, edleafe, you romantic scallywag you | 19:27 |
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edleafe | yeah, I use easy t remember stuff for my vms | 19:27 |
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d_code | melwitt: I turned on debug logging…but all i get is the error that “X doesn't have the required PCI devices” | 19:28 |
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d_code | output of `openstack flavor show` http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370492/11818114 | 19:31 |
d_code | relevant nova.conf : http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370494/11826914 | 19:31 |
d_code | am I using the right syntax for the pci_passthrough on the flavor? | 19:31 |
d_code | I dug through the python…it seems that the scheduler parses nova.conf for the alias information at check time, is that correct? | 19:32 |
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d_code | I couldn’t find anything in the nova database that made that connection | 19:32 |
d_code | lspci output: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370495/18417146 | 19:33 |
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melwitt | I don't know that much detail about it | 19:34 |
moshele | d_code: look at the pci_devices table in nova database | 19:34 |
d_code | yeah, each compute node has 2 devices registered that match that whitelist :/ | 19:35 |
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d_code | is it necessary to do the pci_stub thing that you have to manually do with KVM? | 19:35 |
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claudiub|2 | melwitt: hiiii. can you review one small image_meta prop patch, pls? :D https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237593/ | 19:36 |
moshele | d_code: is your pci_alias defined in nova.conf of the controller ? (nova-api uses it) | 19:37 |
d_code | yes | 19:37 |
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d_code | I’m using kolla and since each of the servers has the nic I want to passthrough on the same pcibus, each nova service uses the same config | 19:38 |
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d_code | is nova-api the piece that translates pci_alias? | 19:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Giridhar Jayavelu proposed openstack/nova: VMware: set service status based on vc connection https://review.openstack.org/290315 | 19:40 |
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moshele | d_code: yes | 19:41 |
melwitt | claudiub|2: will do | 19:41 |
d_code | moshele: k…I see it in the logs where it is parsed /sigh | 19:41 |
d_code | can I pass vendor_id / product_id directly in the flavor or as metadata on launch ? | 19:42 |
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moshele | d_code: I don't think so | 19:42 |
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d_code | yeah…I didn’t this so either.. :( | 19:43 |
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moshele | d_code: can you paste the pci_devices table | 19:47 |
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d_code | moshele: sure...sec | 19:48 |
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d_code | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370498/64119382/ | 19:50 |
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hoonetorg | hi | 20:14 |
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hoonetorg | is volumes_dir option in nova.conf deprecated? | 20:14 |
hoonetorg | if yes since which release? | 20:14 |
moshele | dansmith: can you review again the pci patches here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking L 189, I updated them according to you comments | 20:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Anusha Unnam proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for compute timeout_opts https://review.openstack.org/317693 | 20:25 |
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jaypipes | jroll: almost done with a review on that. no more than 15 mins until I push. | 20:38 |
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jroll | jaypipes: you rock | 20:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Make checks before live-migration async https://review.openstack.org/320416 | 20:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: WIP Create Instance from BuildRequest if not in a cell https://review.openstack.org/263927 | 20:48 |
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jaypipes | jroll: done. | 20:51 |
jroll | thank you sir | 20:51 |
jaypipes | jroll: excellent work on it. you clearly understand where we're heading. | 20:51 |
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jaypipes | jroll: +1 on it from me. | 20:51 |
jroll | jaypipes: yay, I'm not crazy | 20:51 |
jroll | wow | 20:51 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: objects: added 'os_secure_boot' property to ImageMetaProps object https://review.openstack.org/237593 | 20:52 |
jroll | on patch set 1? that's allowed? | 20:52 |
jaypipes | jroll: well, I wouldn't go that far ;P | 20:52 |
jroll | :) | 20:52 |
jaypipes | jroll: :) technically it's an amendment to an existing spec patch, so that doesn't count ;) | 20:52 |
jroll | heh | 20:52 |
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d_code | SamYaple: ping | 20:57 |
dansmith | jaypipes: wait wht? | 20:58 |
dansmith | jaypipes: jroll isn't crazy? | 20:58 |
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jroll | oh he didn't say that, I did | 20:58 |
jroll | clearly wrong | 20:58 |
dansmith | jroll: he seemed to agree, which is why I was looking for clarification | 20:58 |
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jroll | sounds like he disagreed to me | 20:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Remove service crud from test_resource_tracker https://review.openstack.org/319699 | 21:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Remove StatsDicTestCase from test_resource_tracker https://review.openstack.org/319696 | 21:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Remove conductor from test_resource_tracker https://review.openstack.org/319697 | 21:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: rt-unit: Replace hard-coded strings with constants https://review.openstack.org/319695 | 21:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Remove useless test of incorrect stats value https://review.openstack.org/319693 | 21:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Remove RT duplicate unit test for PCI stats https://review.openstack.org/319692 | 21:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Remove more duplicate RT unit tests https://review.openstack.org/319691 | 21:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Removes test_claim_saves_numa_topology() https://review.openstack.org/319690 | 21:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Remove duplicate unit test in test_tracker https://review.openstack.org/319723 | 21:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: Remove delete stubs in test_resource_tracker https://review.openstack.org/319722 | 21:04 |
jaypipes | alaski, dansmith: ^^ just rebased and fixed merge conflict...' | 21:05 |
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cfriesen | Is anyone looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270482/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200870/? They seem to be fixing a valid disk accounting issue (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1469179) but don't seem to be getting a lot of attention. | 21:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1469179 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "instance.root_gb should be 0 for volume-backed instances" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Ankit Agrawal (ankitagrawal) | 21:07 |
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dansmith | alaski: I got em | 21:13 |
alaski | dansmith: cool | 21:14 |
mikal | Morning | 21:15 |
SamYaple | d_code: pong... | 21:16 |
d_code | SamYaple: we discussed a few weeks ago in #kolla about pci passthrough.. | 21:16 |
SamYaple | probably been a few months. I havent worked on #kolla for a while | 21:17 |
SamYaple | but what was your question? | 21:17 |
d_code | I used kolla to deploy mitaka and have followed a number of conflicting wiki articles on how to configure it, but the pcipassthroughfilter keeps telling me there are no instances available | 21:17 |
d_code | yeah…it was probably early march, I guess | 21:17 |
d_code | have you used pci passthrough of a full pci device in Mitaka? | 21:18 |
d_code | seems SR-IOV VFs are much more popular | 21:18 |
SamYaple | hmmm off the top of my head i think you may not be passing the /dev:/dev into the container | 21:18 |
d_code | so, it’s in the nova database… nova-compute sees the correct device and registers it…so the whitelist is working | 21:18 |
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d_code | it seems the issue is that my pci_alias is not matching the db entry | 21:19 |
d_code | and even with debug = True, I can’t get any additional resolution on that | 21:19 |
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SamYaple | the compute node has the pcipassthroughfilter error d_code ? or is that only on the sceudler | 21:20 |
d_code | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370494/11826914/ | 21:20 |
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d_code | I’ve got the output from the scheduler…sec | 21:21 |
d_code | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370492/11818114/ <— flavor info | 21:21 |
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d_code | scheduler output in logs: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370482/14641159/ | 21:22 |
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SamYaple | d_code: isnt the whitelist supposed to be an actual list? will it work when passed a dict rather than a list of dicts | 21:23 |
d_code | yes, apparently it went back and forth back in Grizzly…but now it supports both | 21:24 |
SamYaple | ok | 21:24 |
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d_code | debug output from scheduler : http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370519/41251431/ | 21:26 |
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SamYaple | d_code: looks good from here. what are the logs on the actual compute node when this tries to get scheduled and fails? | 21:26 |
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d_code | afaik, nova-compute log doesn’t reflect anything w/ this particular instance… it just does it’s occasional check as normal | 21:31 |
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SamYaple | ah yea. its failing before it schedules to the compute node it appears. so this is an issue with the stats reported back from the compute node. either its not reporting back the pci devices or you aren't sepcifying a device that exists on the server | 21:33 |
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SamYaple | can you `lspci -k` on one of the computes for me | 21:33 |
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d_code | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370522/25615146 shows the pci device being used | 21:33 |
d_code | yeah...sec | 21:33 |
d_code | lspci -k -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370523/25651146 | 21:34 |
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d_code | 07:00 is the card I want | 21:35 |
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d_code | lspci -k -nn (w/ vendor/device id’s) http://paste.fedoraproject.org/370524/25716146 | 21:35 |
d_code | does the device have to get added to pci_stub like when you manually do it w/ KVM? | 21:36 |
d_code | the pci_stub kernel module | 21:36 |
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SamYaple | d_code: is the goal here to use sr-iov with neutron? because thats a bit different a setup | 21:37 |
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d_code | nope…just want good ol’ pci passthrough of the full device | 21:37 |
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SamYaple | ok fair enough | 21:38 |
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d_code | I know there’s SR-IOV PF…but I don’t know if that works the same | 21:38 |
d_code | but..really I just want to dedicate hardware to a couple VMs | 21:38 |
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SamYaple | hmmm looking over some other configs i think you might need to wrap both sides of the address is astrisk | 21:40 |
d_code | wait…I just noticed… w/ lspci -k -nn, the vendor ID / device ID for the subsystem is different | 21:40 |
openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds Nova discoverable policy CLI spec https://review.openstack.org/289405 | 21:40 |
d_code | is that what I should be targeting? | 21:40 |
SamYaple | "address": "*:07:00.*" | 21:40 |
d_code | 103c:17d3 (for HP 560SFP+ adapter) versus 8086:10fb for Intel 82599ES | 21:41 |
SamYaple | you know d_code ive never done pci passtrough of a nic with sr-iov without goign through neutron. i really don't know the answer here | 21:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: Save migration context in the context of an Instance.save() only https://review.openstack.org/320677 | 21:42 |
openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: intance numa topoligy Save intance numa topoligy in the context of an Instance.save() only https://review.openstack.org/320678 | 21:42 |
openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: One db call to save instance extra field https://review.openstack.org/320679 | 21:42 |
d_code | heh…alright man…I appreciate your help | 21:42 |
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d_code | I truly thought this was a little more understood…I’ve run into a couple people that have done GPUs, but everything else seems to look right | 21:42 |
SamYaple | i have passed through gpus and entire nics though using the setup you have | 21:43 |
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d_code | oh weird | 21:43 |
d_code | so, I want the entire nic… have you done it with mitaka ? | 21:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Sarafraj Singh proposed openstack/nova: Deprecate barbican options https://review.openstack.org/317684 | 21:45 |
SamYaple | i have not. but my configs do have me wrapping the address with two * *, i can suggest trying that | 21:45 |
SamYaple | ill play with my gpu stuff when i get home and see if i can see what might be different with your environment | 21:45 |
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d_code | I wrapped the address w/ astierks on both ends… I’m also gonna dry the HP device IDs to see if that makes a difference | 21:47 |
d_code | s/dry/try/ | 21:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: Save migration context only in the context of an Instance.save() https://review.openstack.org/320677 | 22:03 |
openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: One db call to save instance extra field https://review.openstack.org/320679 | 22:03 |
openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: Save intance numa topoligy only in the context of an Instance.save() https://review.openstack.org/320678 | 22:03 |
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oomichi | sdague: johnthetubaguy: alex_xu: can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313192/ ? | 22:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Augustina Ragwitz proposed openstack/nova: WIP: limits.inc example verification https://review.openstack.org/315714 | 23:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Augustina Ragwitz proposed openstack/nova: limits.inc example verification https://review.openstack.org/315714 | 23:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API code completely https://review.openstack.org/311653 | 23:21 |
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