efried | Now if he could just do that for pyXX... | 00:00 |
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mriedem | you don't want it for py27 | 00:01 |
efried | mriedem It would have to be really, really smart. | 00:01 |
mriedem | this just cycled in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrle0x_DHBM so things are looking up | 00:02 |
efried | In my case, I'm getting away with -- nova.tests.unit.virt.powervm | 00:02 |
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cburgess | Oh wow thats soo cool. | 00:05 |
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mriedem | cburgess: -HEAD or earth, wind and fire? :) | 00:08 |
cburgess | head | 00:08 |
melwitt | both, duh | 00:08 |
mriedem | here come dem fixes | 00:11 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Decrement quota when deleting an instance in cell0 https://review.openstack.org/443395 | 00:11 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Fix missing instance.delete notification https://review.openstack.org/437222 | 00:11 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add regression test for bug 1670627 https://review.openstack.org/443745 | 00:11 |
openstack | bug 1670627 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "quota is always in-use after delete the ERROR instances " [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1670627 - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 00:11 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Temporarily untarget context when deleting from cell0 https://review.openstack.org/443403 | 00:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: PowerVM Driver: SSP emphemeral disk support https://review.openstack.org/443189 | 00:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Decrement quota when deleting an instance in cell0 https://review.openstack.org/443395 | 00:28 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Temporarily untarget context when deleting from cell0 https://review.openstack.org/443403 | 00:28 |
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melwitt | dansmith: I added a question on the consoleauth upcall patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415922/7/nova/compute/api.py@3469 if you have any thoughts | 00:33 |
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openstackgerrit | gengchc2 proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Fix typos in server-count-api.rst,etc https://review.openstack.org/413916 | 01:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Alex Xu proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Fix the typo in the resource provider traits spec https://review.openstack.org/444065 | 02:28 |
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alex_xu | dansmith: thanks for the review, and the typo fix ^ | 02:29 |
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Qiming | alex_xu, morning | 02:51 |
alex_xu | Qiming: morning too | 02:51 |
Qiming | alex_xu, about the returning of user_data in OS-EXT-SERV-ATTR:user_data | 02:52 |
alex_xu | Qiming: yea | 02:52 |
Qiming | alex_xu, why didn't we just return it in user_data? | 02:52 |
alex_xu | Qiming: you mean the prefix? | 02:53 |
Qiming | the API doc says this: OS-EXT-SERV-ATTR:user_databodystring | 02:53 |
Qiming | The user_data the instance was created with. | 02:53 |
Qiming | New in version 2.3 | 02:53 |
Qiming | alex_xu, it is creating some problems when we try to deal with it in openstacksdk | 02:53 |
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Qiming | alex_xu, when we are creating an instance, we pass in user_data, when we receive a response from CREATE or GET, we have to parse it with a prefex | 02:54 |
Qiming | alex_xu, it is not like the other attributes, kernel_id, root_device_name, ramdisk_id, reservation_id, launch_index, and hostname | 02:55 |
alex_xu | Qiming: yea, that is really a old style. for now, any new added field without prefix any more | 02:55 |
Qiming | all the others can be treated as extended server attributes, except for user_data | 02:55 |
alex_xu | but for back-compatible, we can't remove the prefix directly. at least, it needs a microversion | 02:56 |
gmann | Qiming: yea as alex_xu mentioned, they were old notation which we have to keep supporting | 02:56 |
Qiming | so, a microversion to change it (user_data) back is acceptable? | 02:56 |
gmann | but can you access kernel_id without prefix in server GET ? | 02:56 |
Qiming | gmann, no | 02:57 |
gmann | ok | 02:57 |
Qiming | kernel_id didn't come from user request, users won't expect that | 02:57 |
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alex_xu | Qiming: if just change a prefix for a field, i'm not sure it is worth to do that | 02:57 |
gmann | Qiming: ok on create things you mean, got it | 02:57 |
gmann | because GET server has all those with prefix like OS-EXT-SERV-ATTR:kernel_id | 02:58 |
Qiming | same question for 'personality', which is also an "input only" attribute | 02:58 |
Qiming | once provided to create/POST, we get no chance to see it again, :) | 02:58 |
alex_xu | Qiming: personality is a field plan to remove | 02:58 |
Qiming | gmann, for attributes "added" at server side, it is okay to add a prefix, but for 'user_data', it is weird that its name has changed when I'm retrieving it | 02:59 |
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gmann | alex_xu: yea and that was the reason to plan remove | 03:00 |
Qiming | ya, removal might be the right thing to do | 03:00 |
Qiming | anyway, 'personality' is not heavily used like 'user_data' AFAICT | 03:01 |
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Qiming | in the same spirit, maybe 'host_status' for example should have a prefix, :) | 03:02 |
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gmann | Qiming: yea those are not consistent actually due to legacy v2 way was like that and in v2.1 we try to do without prefix as no more extensions | 03:04 |
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alex_xu | Qiming: for any new field, we won't add prefix | 03:04 |
alex_xu | gmann: yea | 03:04 |
Qiming | alex_xu, I don't think we should make the prefix decision based on whether it is 'new' or not. Instead, we may want to make the server attributes naming consistent. | 03:05 |
alex_xu | Qiming: yes, the 'new' one, i mean new in the request also | 03:06 |
Qiming | ya, that makes sense. I am just trying to raise some awareness about consistency | 03:06 |
alex_xu | Qiming: yea, agree with you, that should consistent | 03:07 |
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Qiming | would it be on your agenda to remove the prefix from user_data in the response body? | 03:08 |
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gmann | but things is we cannot change old one (which are with prefix) without microversion and still for older version they will be with prefix | 03:08 |
gmann | alex_xu: we can do for all those in single version bump? what you say, worthy to microversion that? | 03:08 |
Qiming | yes, I'm 100% with you on the requirement to bump microversion | 03:08 |
alex_xu | gmann: yea, i think that also | 03:09 |
Qiming | great, if there is a plan to "fix" it at server side, I will abandon the fix in SDK -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443036/ | 03:09 |
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gmann | Qiming: still we fix on nova side you need that fix on sdk to support the older version request | 03:10 |
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alex_xu | yes, so you still have same problem on the old version | 03:11 |
Qiming | gmann, SDK has its own problems to fix, but I hope a full-fleged microversion support will be in place soon | 03:11 |
alex_xu | try to know what kind of try you got in the openstacksdk | 03:11 |
alex_xu | Qiming: so SDK still need to support older version of nova api, right? so it still need to care about the user_data field with prefix | 03:12 |
gmann | yea | 03:12 |
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gmann | sdk fix is anyways needed irrespective of nova fix that in new version or not | 03:13 |
Qiming | yes, but that will become a different topic. there are still other fields that are "request-only", "response-only", "valid-in-both-direction-but-RENAMED", :_ | 03:13 |
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Qiming | gmann, exactly | 03:13 |
gmann | alex_xu: i think its little bit overhead to microversion that as we have lot of other inconsistency like CamelCase things etc but if we do we should do in one shot but again that can change lot of APIs :) | 03:14 |
alex_xu | gmann: yes, but we said we won't fix the CamelCase things | 03:15 |
gmann | yeaaa | 03:15 |
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gmann | +1 on that, it unnecessary and overhead to fix those | 03:16 |
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alex_xu | so...remove the prefix, Qiming will get benefit, and also have people already make their code aware the prefix, will get overhead to fix that. | 03:17 |
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alex_xu | so...the question will be, how much benefit we got from removing prefix, is that enough for other people change their client code to remove fix? | 03:18 |
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gmann | yea thats true, its overhead for existing users and benefit for new | 03:19 |
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alex_xu | Qiming: anyway, my first todo is getting clear what kind of trouble you got in the sdk | 03:21 |
Qiming | okay | 03:22 |
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gmann | yea +1 | 03:32 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Get instance availability_zone without hitting the api db https://review.openstack.org/439754 | 03:33 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Teach HostAPI about cells https://review.openstack.org/442162 | 03:33 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make scheduler target cells to get compute node instance info https://review.openstack.org/439891 | 03:33 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Sort CellMappingList.get_all() for safety https://review.openstack.org/443174 | 03:33 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add get_by_instance_uuids() to InstanceMappingList https://review.openstack.org/443292 | 03:33 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make server_groups determine deleted-ness from InstanceMappingList https://review.openstack.org/443293 | 03:33 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Remove Mitaka-era service version check https://review.openstack.org/442861 | 03:33 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add workaround to disable group policy check upcall https://review.openstack.org/442736 | 03:33 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/443357 | 03:35 |
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takashin | tox -e pep8 | 04:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Enable cold migration with target host(1/2) https://review.openstack.org/408955 | 04:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Enable cold migration with target host(2/2) https://review.openstack.org/408964 | 05:22 |
openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: api-ref: Add parameters in cold migrate action https://review.openstack.org/410042 | 05:23 |
openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Add functional tests for cold migration to same host https://review.openstack.org/414926 | 05:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova-specs master: List/show all server migration types https://review.openstack.org/407237 | 05:40 |
openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova-specs master: List/show all server migration types https://review.openstack.org/407237 | 05:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Shunli Zhou proposed openstack/nova master: Add populate_retry to schedule_and_build_instances https://review.openstack.org/444106 | 06:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: api-ref: Fix keypair API parameters https://review.openstack.org/420626 | 06:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Wei Cao proposed openstack/nova master: vmware: Change the VM Create spec https://review.openstack.org/444119 | 06:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: api-ref: Fix keypair API parameters https://review.openstack.org/420626 | 06:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Refactor a test method including 7 test cases https://review.openstack.org/395436 | 07:21 |
openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Refactor a test method including 3 test cases https://review.openstack.org/394738 | 07:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Michael Henkel proposed openstack/nova master: Implements: blueprint opencontrail-dpdk-support https://review.openstack.org/441183 | 08:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Tomi Juvonen proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Planned host maintenance https://review.openstack.org/310510 | 08:23 |
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bauwser | good morning Nova | 08:26 |
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arne_r | good morning bauwser :) | 08:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Huan Xie proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: add linux bridge qbr for live migration on XenServer https://review.openstack.org/444163 | 08:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Enable SR-IOV NIC offload feature discovery https://review.openstack.org/435954 | 09:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Michael Henkel proposed openstack/nova master: Implements: blueprint opencontrail-dpdk-support https://review.openstack.org/441183 | 09:49 |
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openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/nova master: Remove duplicate attributes in sample files https://review.openstack.org/444199 | 10:26 |
gmann | alex_xu: oomichi ^^ easy one | 10:27 |
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kashyap | mdbooth: Hello there, wonder if you have time / energy today to make any comment here -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246910/ | 10:38 |
kashyap | I know this involves Neutron voodoo, so if you shy away from it with a "meh", can understand :-) | 10:38 |
kashyap | Just this is causing a nasty interaction bug between Nova, Neutron, libvirt, QEMU and Virtio code | 10:39 |
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mdbooth | kashyap: Eww | 10:43 |
kashyap | :-) | 10:43 |
kashyap | Sorry | 10:43 |
mdbooth | To me that just says the flow is wrong and we should be casting | 10:43 |
mdbooth | With callbacks | 10:43 |
mdbooth | if necessary | 10:43 |
mdbooth | kashyap: I don't feel I have the bandwidth to jump into that meaningfully right now, I'm afraid | 10:44 |
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kashyap | mdbooth: No worries at all | 10:44 |
mdbooth | At first glance I'm not a fan, but I don't have an alternative | 10:44 |
kashyap | Yeah, I hear you. It's just feels (to me) impenetrable sometimes, with so many moving parts | 10:45 |
markus_z | What's our current policy for images in our docs? I see different types of image sources (*.dia, *.graphml, *odp) and also image generators like "graphviz". | 10:46 |
mdbooth | There are non-neutron reasons for not using a call in that flow | 10:46 |
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gmann | sfinucan: if you can fix missing 's' on this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430914/4 | 11:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Huan Xie proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Create ovs port with other params together https://review.openstack.org/444230 | 11:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/nova master: Deprecate the Cinder API v2 support https://review.openstack.org/444253 | 12:04 |
andreaf | hello nova folks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1532809 pop up again in the gate, it's now the top recheck issue: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 12:04 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1532809 in OpenStack Compute (nova) liberty "Gate failures when DHCP lease cannot be acquired" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sean Dague (sdague) | 12:04 |
andreaf | uhm - it's only on openstack/networking-odl | 12:07 |
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alex_xu | gmann: thanks, just done | 12:17 |
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steveq | hi all, I want to test reproducethis bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1481262, is there any way where I can create 100K instances without invoking boot api? | 12:27 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1481262 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ""nova usage" taking too much time with many VMs in database" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Guillaume Espanel (guillaume-espanel) | 12:27 |
steveq | s/test reproducethis/reproduce this | 12:27 |
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avolkov | https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/config-reference/compute/config-options.html looks outdated for live_migration_uri option | 12:55 |
avolkov | could somebody point me from where it's generated? | 12:56 |
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markus_z | avolkov: It gets pulled from these string here. https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/libvirt.py | 13:00 |
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avolkov | markus_z: ok, maybe it takes only first paragraph for description, but live_migration_scheme is missed in docs but exists in libvirt.py, do you know why? | 13:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/nova master: Deprecate the Cinder API v2 support https://review.openstack.org/444253 | 13:57 |
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mriedem | o/ | 14:15 |
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Dinesh_Bhor | mriedem: Hi, if you get time could you please check this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441750/? | 14:18 |
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mriedem | dansmith: i think we're happy with this now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437222/ - the notification delete patch | 14:35 |
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ioni | hello guys | 14:40 |
ioni | sorry for bothering you, i have noticed something and I don't know if is a bug in nova or a bug in documentation | 14:41 |
ioni | https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/config-reference/compute/config-options.html | 14:41 |
ioni | is mentioned that notify_on_state_change is in [DEFAULT] | 14:41 |
ioni | while looking at the logs, i have noticed that notifications.notify_on_state_change = None | 14:42 |
ioni | the only way to set this up is to create a new [notifications] section, having notify_on_state_change = vm_and_task_state | 14:42 |
ioni | bug in nova or bug in documentation? | 14:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Enable SR-IOV NIC offload feature discovery https://review.openstack.org/435954 | 14:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Websockify security proxy framework https://review.openstack.org/443234 | 14:47 |
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figleaf | ioni: that's a doc bug | 14:54 |
figleaf | are you running ocata? | 14:55 |
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ioni | figleaf, yes | 14:55 |
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figleaf | ioni: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/notifications.py#L108-L110 | 14:57 |
figleaf | ioni: that shows the opts defined above it, including notify_state_on_change, as being part of the notifications_group | 14:57 |
mriedem | ioni: are you sure that it wasn't deprecated in the DEFAULT group in ocata and still pass through to [notifications]? | 14:57 |
mriedem | we generally deprecate the group for a release when moving them | 14:57 |
mriedem | so the old config will work | 14:58 |
mriedem | so it depends on when using it in DEFAULT was deprecated | 14:58 |
ioni | mriedem, i'm looking at: https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/config-reference/compute/config-options.html | 14:58 |
mriedem | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/ocata/sample_config.html | 14:58 |
mriedem | yeah, the docs.o.o might be wrong | 14:58 |
mriedem | ^ is generated from the nova repo | 14:58 |
ioni | i don't know what's in the code, i'm just looking at them :D | 14:58 |
mriedem | Deprecated group/name - [default]/notify_on_state_change | 14:59 |
ioni | ok | 14:59 |
mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/ocata/nova/conf/notifications.py#L33 | 14:59 |
mriedem | so if you have it in [DEFAULT] in ocata it should still work | 14:59 |
mriedem | you might get a warning | 14:59 |
ioni | it doesn't work | 15:00 |
mriedem | sfinucan: does deprecated_group='default' work for [DEFAULT]? | 15:00 |
ioni | no warning, it defaults to None | 15:00 |
mriedem | dims_: ^? | 15:00 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Get instance availability_zone without hitting the api db https://review.openstack.org/439754 | 15:00 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make os-availability-zones know about cells https://review.openstack.org/442163 | 15:00 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Change MQ targeting to honor only what is in the context https://review.openstack.org/438023 | 15:00 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make scheduler target cells to get compute node instance info https://review.openstack.org/439891 | 15:00 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add identity helper property to CellMapping https://review.openstack.org/444038 | 15:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add cell field to Destination object https://review.openstack.org/438024 | 15:00 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make conductor ask scheduler to limit migrates to same cell https://review.openstack.org/438025 | 15:00 |
mriedem | ioni: let me try something quick in ocata | 15:01 |
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sfinucan | mriedem: I think macsz tried that and it does | 15:01 |
mriedem | ok i'm changing a unit test in ocata that sets it into the 'notifications' group, putting it back in DEFAULT and seeing if that passes | 15:02 |
mriedem | oslo_config.cfg.NoSuchOptError: no such option notify_on_state_change in group [DEFAULT] | 15:03 |
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mriedem | changing deprecated_group="DEFAULT" | 15:04 |
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ioni | mriedem, https://paste.xinu.at/VmpI/ | 15:05 |
ioni | mriedem, so in the first two lines, i had notify_on_state_change in [DEFAULT] | 15:05 |
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ioni | no warning, nothing related to that | 15:06 |
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mriedem | this doesn't work for me either https://gist.github.com/mriedem/d20978819dbbc28c77f89e118fd4f52f | 15:06 |
mriedem | i get oslo_config.cfg.NoSuchOptError: no such option notify_on_state_change in group [DEFAULT] | 15:06 |
sfinucan | mriedem: AFAIK the deprecated_group and deprecated_name properties only affects reading from config files. When accessing it programatically (cfg.CONF) you need to use the current group and name | 15:06 |
mriedem | might be a problem in the unit tests | 15:06 |
mriedem | sfinucan: ah | 15:07 |
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sfinucan | which, imo, is the correct behavior | 15:07 |
* dims_ catching up | 15:07 | |
mriedem | ioni: are you able to change nova/conf/notifications.py and change deprecated_group='DEFAULT', restart and see if that works? | 15:07 |
mriedem | i don't have a devstack in front of me to recreate | 15:07 |
ioni | ok, wait | 15:08 |
dims_ | mriedem : sfinucan : we just merged something that may help in the future - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357987/ | 15:08 |
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ioni | mriedem, deprecated_group='default' this line? | 15:10 |
mriedem | ioni: yeah | 15:10 |
ioni | with capital DEFAULT | 15:10 |
ioni | right? | 15:10 |
mriedem | yes | 15:10 |
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ioni | 2017-03-10 17:11:26.849 14528 WARNING oslo_config.cfg [req-13263cac-0dca-42bd-9c0a-d2e3cbab71a6 - - - - -] Option "notify_on_state_change" from group "DEFAULT" is deprecated. Use option "notify_on_state_change" from group "notifications". | 15:11 |
ioni | now it works | 15:11 |
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mriedem | ioni: ok, crap, sorry - can you report a bug against nova? | 15:12 |
ioni | should i submit a patch ? | 15:12 |
mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova | 15:12 |
mriedem | ioni: sure, i see we have the same mistake for some console options | 15:12 |
mriedem | ioni: report a bug, submit a patch and then we can work on reviewing and backporting to ocata | 15:12 |
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mriedem | i'm going to do a stable/ocata release next week, we can get this fix in there | 15:13 |
mriedem | dims_: ^ seems like a bug in oslo.config if you can specify a deprecated_group that doesn't exist | 15:13 |
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mriedem | maybe that's a chicken and egg, | 15:13 |
mriedem | since the deprecated group is no longer registered (except the DEFAULT case) | 15:13 |
mriedem | johnthetubaguy: were you going to re-propose a spec for pike for this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393888/ | 15:14 |
dims_ | mriedem : a bit distracted at the moment. bug please? | 15:15 |
mriedem | forthcoming, i'll point it out when it's up | 15:15 |
sfinucan | mriedem: Yeah, I reviewed that patch and missed that. Sorry :( | 15:16 |
dims_ | thanks mriedem ! | 15:16 |
sfinucan | I'll try see if we can fix this in oslo.config, if that's ok with you dims_ | 15:16 |
ioni | mriedem, report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1671847 | 15:17 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1671847 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Incorect set deprecated flag for notify_on_state_change" [Undecided,New] | 15:17 |
ioni | mriedem, patch coming up | 15:17 |
sfinucan | tonyb, lyarwood: Could ye stick this on your review queues? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444306/ | 15:18 |
sfinucan | I'm seeing the issue in openstack-manuals for stable/ocata still. Not a huge problem but it's very annoying | 15:18 |
cdent | leakypipes: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442718/ -w cuz the tests aren't done, or are you reconsidering the idea? (I'm gathering things for this week's updated) | 15:18 |
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cdent | counting number of available mempages seems ... odd? | 15:19 |
mriedem | ioni: thanks | 15:19 |
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mriedem | cdent: also, someone needs to re-propose https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386710/ for pike and update it to mention the discussion at the ptg about not supporting multiple parents, | 15:21 |
cdent | mriedem: ✔ | 15:21 |
mriedem | doesn't need great detail, but that seemed like a long whiteboarding session and if that was the outcome we should probably capture in the spec with the reason why | 15:21 |
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lyarwood | sfinucan: ack, looking | 15:22 |
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sfinucan | lyarwood: (y) | 15:23 |
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openstackgerrit | IonuÈ› BĂ®ru proposed openstack/nova master: Fix notify_on_state_change deprecation https://review.openstack.org/444350 | 15:25 |
ioni | mriedem, ^ | 15:25 |
dims_ | ioni : does it work if you just delete the line 33? (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444350/1/nova/conf/notifications.py) | 15:27 |
ioni | testing now | 15:28 |
dims_ | thanks! | 15:28 |
mriedem | dims_: removing the deprecated_group line would break the alias right? | 15:28 |
mriedem | ioni: we should fix the other similar issues | 15:28 |
dims_ | should end up as 'DEFAULT' i think mriedem (need to check) | 15:28 |
mriedem | i pointed those out in the review (as did sfinucan) | 15:28 |
ioni | dims_, no, it doesn't work | 15:29 |
mriedem | dims_: if you don't have the deprecated_group kwarg, oslo.config doesn't know it came from a deprecated group and won't alias | 15:29 |
ioni | mriedem, i just saw your comment | 15:29 |
lyarwood | sfinucan: stupid question but where is the stable/ocata openstack-docs-tools build listed? | 15:29 |
ioni | mriedem, i'll resend | 15:29 |
mriedem | lyarwood: there isn't a stable branch for that http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-doc-tools/ | 15:29 |
dims_ | ioni : mriedem : ack thanks | 15:29 |
sfinucan | lyarwood: The tools are found in openstack-docs-tools, but the output is kept in openstack-manuals | 15:30 |
sfinucan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436474/ | 15:30 |
lyarwood | mriedem / sfinucan ; right, so do we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444306/ in stable/ocata ? I assume not | 15:30 |
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sfinucan | lyarwood: That tool checks out the nova code and uses a combo of oslo.config and Jinja2 templates to build those table files | 15:31 |
lyarwood | sfinucan: ah gotcha | 15:31 |
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sfinucan | then dumps it into openstack-manuals project, which is where the stable/ocata branch will be (not openstack-doc-tools) | 15:32 |
sfinucan | yes, it *is* a somewhat convoluted tool chain :) | 15:32 |
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lyarwood | sfinucan: ha, I was just looking for proof that we needed it, I'll add a note in the review, LGTM otherwise. | 15:34 |
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ioni | mriedem can you help me a bit? | 15:36 |
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ioni | i don't know how to send a new patch in the same review :D | 15:37 |
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openstackgerrit | IonuÈ› BĂ®ru proposed openstack/nova master: Correctly set up deprecation warning https://review.openstack.org/444357 | 15:41 |
ioni | sorry for that :( | 15:42 |
ioni | i didn't know how to send a new patch set | 15:42 |
sfinucan | ioni: No problem :) If you keep the 'Change-ID' line the same, it will submit a new patchset | 15:42 |
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ioni | damn it | 15:43 |
sfinucan | it's fine though. Don't worry about it | 15:43 |
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siva_krishnan | ioni: git review --amend should help as well | 15:44 |
sfinucan | ioni: +2d | 15:44 |
siva_krishnan | sorry git commit --amend | 15:44 |
ioni | well, i did a rebase | 15:44 |
ioni | from two commits that i made locally | 15:45 |
ioni | and i messed up i guess | 15:45 |
mriedem1 | artom: replied in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393930/ - i think we talked about that at one point | 15:45 |
mriedem1 | artom: basically the various interface APIs in nova are a mess | 15:45 |
mriedem1 | and that's why i omitted nic tags from the spec | 15:45 |
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mriedem | that's lazy on my part, i just didn't want to sort out the interface APIs first | 15:46 |
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mriedem | ioni: i do git commit -a --amend | 15:46 |
mriedem | then git review to push it up | 15:46 |
ioni | mriedem, cool. i'll keep in mind | 15:46 |
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leakypipes | cdent: oh, that's -w because I still need to submit a mini-spec or blueprint. | 15:47 |
cdent | leakypipes: ended up leaving it off this week's update | 15:48 |
sfinucan | johnthetubaguy, mriedem: noddy stuff, but I'd like to fix this in stable/ocata before you make the point release next week https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443086/ | 15:48 |
sfinucan | (AJaeger asked me to do so for openstack-manuals) | 15:48 |
artom | mriedem, I don't remember talking about it, but OK, your explanation makes sense | 15:48 |
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mriedem | sfinucan: can you show me where those are broken today? | 15:49 |
mriedem | a bug would have been nice | 15:50 |
mriedem | if we're backporting | 15:50 |
leakypipes | cdent: totally fine :) mostly was just pushing it off my lappie so I could pull to my workstation ;) | 15:50 |
mriedem | plus links to see what the bug is would be nice | 15:50 |
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cdent | leakypipes: I know how that can be. I left a comment on it as a sort of note to self to remember my confusion and sadness | 15:50 |
leakypipes | :) | 15:51 |
cdent | and with that I'm going for a walk, biab | 15:51 |
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sfinucan | mriedem: https://docs.openstack.org/newton/config-reference/compute/config-options.html look for 'flat_network_bridge' | 15:51 |
sfinucan | or any of the giant text with grey bars on the left | 15:51 |
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sfinucan | I didn't think formatting issues like that warranted a bug but I'll draw up one shortly | 15:52 |
mriedem | ok i see | 15:52 |
mriedem | sfinucan: well i just didn't see any examples in the commit message | 15:52 |
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mriedem | also, this doesn't seem like a huge issue | 15:52 |
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mriedem | and it's been like this for awhile already, like all of ocata | 15:53 |
sfinucan | mriedem: I can't include images in commit messages, and the issues won't exist once they're fixed | 15:53 |
sfinucan | openstack-manuals hasn't released the ocata docs yet, hence why I'm eager to fix it now | 15:54 |
mriedem | ok i guess i just won't ask for any context or examples | 15:54 |
mriedem | anyway, +2 | 15:54 |
sfinucan | mriedem: ta | 15:55 |
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mriedem | ioni: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444374/ | 15:59 |
ioni | mriedem, do i have to do something? :D | 16:01 |
openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Always set MTU when plugging devices https://review.openstack.org/408781 | 16:02 |
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mriedem | ioni: nope | 16:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: hardware: Flatten functions https://review.openstack.org/367470 | 16:07 |
openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Standardize '_get_XXX_constraints' functions https://review.openstack.org/385071 | 16:07 |
openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Rename '_numa_get_constraints_XXX' functions https://review.openstack.org/385072 | 16:07 |
openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: De-duplicate _numa_get_flavor_XXX_map_list https://review.openstack.org/385074 | 16:07 |
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leakypipes | rfolco: morning! | 16:08 |
rfolco | leakypipes, afternoon! | 16:08 |
leakypipes | rfolco: so, I can support cdent's review suggestions on your patch. Go with KeyError raise. | 16:08 |
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rfolco | leakypipes, nice. I can do something like: http_except = webob.exc.status_map.get(req) .... if not None, then raise http_except | 16:10 |
rfolco | instead of status_map[req] | 16:10 |
rfolco | this way I avoid keyerror and get rid of dict | 16:10 |
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leakypipes | rfolco: well, I think cdent actually prefers raising a KeyError there, since this is a code path that is dev-only -- i.e. users cannot influence this code path and we want to bomb out early if a developer adds an call to raise_http_code_if_microversion() is passed an improper status code. | 16:11 |
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rfolco | hmm makes sense. If keyerror is fine, easier for me :) | 16:13 |
rfolco | leakypipes, thx++ | 16:13 |
leakypipes | rfolco: go for it :) | 16:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: PowerVM Driver: SSP emphemeral disk support https://review.openstack.org/443189 | 16:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: console: introduce basic framework for security proxying https://review.openstack.org/345396 | 16:30 |
openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: console: introduce framework for RFB authentication https://review.openstack.org/345397 | 16:30 |
openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: console: introduce the VeNCrypt RFB authentication scheme https://review.openstack.org/345398 | 16:30 |
openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: console: provide an RFB security proxy implementation https://review.openstack.org/345399 | 16:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/nova master: [WIP] Read NIC features in libvirt https://review.openstack.org/444415 | 17:02 |
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mriedem1 | dansmith: so no obfuscation for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438023/25/nova/context.py ? | 17:06 |
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melwitt | mriedem: it's not storing the url in the context anymore | 17:08 |
mriedem | oh cool | 17:09 |
mriedem | i'm going to have to rebase my quotas fix now.. :( | 17:09 |
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leakypipes | dansmith: your once over on gibi's patch here pls: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440347 | 17:11 |
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melwitt | leakypipes: not sure I understand the comment on that one, that instance.flavor isn't connected to data in the db. it's connected to instance_extra and can be lazy-loaded on an instance that was queried without joining with instance_extra earlier | 17:14 |
mriedem | melwitt: leakypipes: bauwser: also need to get these in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1670627 - that's a major regression in ocata and need to get that backported for a 13.0.1 next week | 17:15 |
mriedem | fwiw dan was +2 on the bottom change yesterday, and had skimmed the rest of the series already | 17:16 |
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leakypipes | melwitt: yeah, it's weird. basically, what we're attempting to prevent is the lazy-loading of flavor *projects* -- i.e. the second-stage lazy-loading of Flavor attributes. | 17:16 |
mriedem | i'm going to be basically MIA the rest of the afternoon, it's my last day here so lunch, exit interview and then they kick my ass out | 17:16 |
mriedem | and my new laptop hasn't shown up yet | 17:16 |
leakypipes | melwitt: so the instance.Flavor is populated when expected_attributes=['flavor'] and that's fine. But by orphaning the Flavor in instance.flavor, we prevent the instance.flavor.projects attribute from being lazy-loaded. | 17:17 |
melwitt | leakypipes: so like a cascading lazy-load | 17:17 |
leakypipes | melwitt: weird, I know :) | 17:17 |
leakypipes | melwitt: yeah. | 17:17 |
melwitt | ah, I see | 17:17 |
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melwitt | mriedem: ack, will review those today | 17:17 |
leakypipes | dansmith: time for you to enter the phone booth and emerge as superdan. | 17:18 |
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artom | Is Phone Booth is mdbooth's rapper name? | 17:21 |
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melwitt | heh | 17:22 |
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andrewbogott | Is 'Host xxx has more disk space than database expected' ever anything important? That message shows up in several bug reports but best I can tell the message is a red herring in all cases. | 17:44 |
andrewbogott | (I have 4 out of 13 compute nodes that throw that warning regularly.) | 17:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: SSP emphemeral disk support https://review.openstack.org/443189 | 17:47 |
efried | thorst_afk adreznec esberglu_ ^^ live tested, works, ready for subteam review. | 17:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Get instance availability_zone without hitting the api db https://review.openstack.org/439754 | 17:59 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make os-availability-zones know about cells https://review.openstack.org/442163 | 17:59 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make scheduler target cells to get compute node instance info https://review.openstack.org/439891 | 17:59 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add identity helper property to CellMapping https://review.openstack.org/444038 | 17:59 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make conductor ask scheduler to limit migrates to same cell https://review.openstack.org/438025 | 17:59 |
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cfriesen | someone pointed out to me that InstanceActionEvent.pack_action_event_finish() uses a "message" field, but the InstanceActionEvent model in the DB uses "details". Is this a bug? | 19:04 |
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mriedem_afk | andrewbogott: this is the comment by that warning | 19:07 |
mriedem_afk | # can occur when an instance in database is not on host | 19:07 |
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mriedem | andrewbogott: which is similar to the _sync_power_states periodic task in the compute manager, but that might not be a warning | 19:08 |
mriedem | would have to check | 19:08 |
andrewbogott | mriedem: thanks. I did a side-by-side comparison on one of the hosts already but maybe I missed a discrepancy. | 19:08 |
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andrewbogott | At least… you'd expect 'nova list —host <hostname>' to show the db contents and not the disk contents, right? | 19:08 |
openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/nova master: Add Cinder API version detection https://review.openstack.org/444465 | 19:10 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/443357 | 19:10 |
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jgriffith | ildikov mriedem ^^ don't know if that's more along the lines of what you'd like to see or not | 19:11 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/os-vif master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/395347 | 19:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova master: virt: implement get_inventory() for Ironic https://review.openstack.org/441544 | 19:18 |
leakypipes | cdent: hi. I'm getting a single unit test failure for nova.tests.unit.test_fixtures.TestPlacementFixture.test_responds_to_version locally on ^^ patch. it looks like this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/602305/ | 19:19 |
* cdent clicks | 19:19 | |
leakypipes | cdent: nothing in the change to that patch should affect the placement API as far as I can tell. have you seen that error before? | 19:20 |
cdent | i've not, one sec | 19:20 |
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cdent | leakypipes: are the functional tests running okay? | 19:23 |
leakypipes | cdent: yes. | 19:23 |
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* cdent looks at the patch closer | 19:24 | |
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cdent | imma need to try this stuff myself leakypipes | 19:26 |
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leakypipes | cdent: np | 19:26 |
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leakypipes | JayF: thx for the reviews on the ironic patch. responded to your query on the latest revision. | 19:36 |
JayF | leakypipes: it's fine, "valid -1 on a jaypipes nova patch" will make a fine line on my resume ;) | 19:37 |
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leakypipes | JayF: lmao | 19:37 |
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JayF | leakypipes: re: your comment, that's exactly what I suspected, but wanted to be sure. Also get_inventory() will only ever be called on nodes that pass get_available_resources() which guarantees all our logic guarding nodes in maintenance/wrong states/etc will be intact | 19:39 |
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leakypipes | JayF: correct. node_is_available() gates any call to get_inventory() | 19:39 |
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cdent | leakypipes: does it fail consistently? does it only fail when you run all the tests? | 19:44 |
leakypipes | cdent: fails consistently when I run all unit tests. lemme try running it singularly. | 19:44 |
cdent | in other words, works for me when I test just that file and also a) make sure I don't have an /etc/nova/nova.conf and -r my tox | 19:44 |
* cdent tests them all | 19:45 | |
cdent | I resisted this fixture. I figured we should just keep on doing the wsgi-intercept thing everywhere. | 19:45 |
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leakypipes | cdent: yeah, fails when I just run tox -epy27 -- test_fixtures | 19:50 |
cdent | interesting, wfm | 19:50 |
cdent | i'm running all of them now | 19:50 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Teach HostAPI about cells https://review.openstack.org/442162 | 19:51 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Sort CellMappingList.get_all() for safety https://review.openstack.org/443174 | 19:51 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add get_by_instance_uuids() to InstanceMappingList https://review.openstack.org/443292 | 19:51 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make server_groups determine deleted-ness from InstanceMappingList https://review.openstack.org/443293 | 19:51 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Remove Mitaka-era service version check https://review.openstack.org/442861 | 19:51 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add workaround to disable group policy check upcall https://review.openstack.org/442736 | 19:51 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Clean up ClientRouter debt https://review.openstack.org/444487 | 19:51 |
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* cdent NEEDS MORE CPUs | 19:59 | |
cdent | GET /resource_providers?resources=VCPU:24 | 20:01 |
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cdent | leakypipes: works when running all too | 20:07 |
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cdent | do you have any evidence from the fixture of the internal failure (the exception within the 500) | 20:08 |
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leakypipes | cdent: none :( | 20:19 |
cdent | you done a fresh tox? | 20:20 |
cdent | :( I dunno. | 20:21 |
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cdent | leakypipes: I gotta go, if/when you figure it out I'm curious to know. I think it's just you though: unit tests passed in the gate for that commit | 20:31 |
leakypipes | yeah... | 20:31 |
leakypipes | cdent: I'll let ya know what I discover. | 20:31 |
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tonyb | sfinucan: np | 20:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Rafael Folco proposed openstack/nova master: DELETE all inventory for a resource provider https://review.openstack.org/416669 | 20:37 |
openstackgerrit | Rafael Folco proposed openstack/nova master: Raising http codes on old microversion https://review.openstack.org/444497 | 20:37 |
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openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/nova master: Add Cinder API version detection https://review.openstack.org/444465 | 20:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: SSP emphemeral disk support https://review.openstack.org/443189 | 21:19 |
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efried | thorst_afk ^^ addressed comments. Hoping for that +1 before you disappear into babyland. | 21:20 |
thorst_afk | efried: k | 21:20 |
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efried | harlowja Another TaskFlow-havin' change set, if you're interested ^^ | 21:33 |
harlowja | cools | 21:33 |
efried | harlowja Be sure to read thorst's commentary ;-) | 21:34 |
harlowja | kk | 21:34 |
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harlowja | woah, lots of commentary | 21:35 |
harlowja | lol | 21:35 |
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harlowja | hopefully taskflow has helped some :-P | 21:36 |
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efried | harlowja As you can see, we definitely dig it. | 21:36 |
harlowja | ya, i mean i don't like having all the LinearFlow and such objects | 21:36 |
harlowja | i was going to try to make it more natural, but haven't quite figured that out | 21:37 |
harlowja | ha | 21:37 |
harlowja | it'd be interesting to do something like | 21:37 |
efried | harlowja I was telling thorst yesterday - I've had a TODO for a long time to rework our TaskFlow usage into a much more complicated unordered parallel flow with appropriate interdependencies. | 21:37 |
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efried | He basically said, "You had my veto at 'complicated'" | 21:37 |
harlowja | lol | 21:38 |
harlowja | ya, if i could i'd somehow plug what taskflow in at more of the language level | 21:38 |
efried | harlowja FYI, this is the flow I was talking about: https://github.com/openstack/nova-powervm/blob/master/nova_powervm/virt/powervm/driver.py#L384 | 21:39 |
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harlowja | so that somehow u could give say a set of interconnected functions to some kind of object and it would try to extrapolate the flow(s) | 21:39 |
efried | harlowja You basically have that, with provides/requires. And I'm sure it works perfectly with no bugs. | 21:40 |
harlowja | ya, it'd be interesting to try to make such kind of functions more elegant | 21:40 |
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harlowja | well i was thinking of something like | 21:40 |
efried | But I've fiddled with it a little bit and remember finding it a bit complicated to figure out how to set up the right engine/flow so it would actually be useful and run stuff in parallel. | 21:40 |
harlowja | `def a(): | 21:41 |
harlowja | b() | 21:41 |
harlowja | def b(): | 21:41 |
harlowja | c()` | 21:41 |
harlowja | now given a, is there a way to 'decompile' that into a corresponding set of linear flows (for example) | 21:41 |
efried | harlowja You're talking about static analysis of the code, though? | 21:41 |
harlowja | sort of | 21:41 |
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efried | My knee-jerk is that you'd be passing the 80/20 point there ;-) | 21:42 |
harlowja | fair enough | 21:42 |
harlowja | ha | 21:42 |
harlowja | afaik the parallelism, basiclaly if u have things that can run in parallel (determined by ordering relationships); then changing the engine will run them in parallel (if there is no paralleism possible, then changing the engine won't do much) | 21:43 |
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efried | harlowja Well, we did do some of that, down in pypowervm. You may actually get a kick out of this: https://github.com/powervm/pypowervm/blob/develop/pypowervm/utils/transaction.py#L498 | 21:44 |
efried | (thorst_afk we were just talkin about ya) | 21:45 |
harlowja | interesting | 21:45 |
harlowja | anything in taskflow that may make such stuff easier/more pretty/other? | 21:45 |
harlowja | seems like that FeedTask could just be a nestedflow? | 21:47 |
efried | harlowja To be honest, given what it does, I don't see a whole lot of improvement. | 21:47 |
harlowja | k | 21:47 |
efried | What's a nestedflow? | 21:47 |
harlowja | root_flow = flow("root") | 21:47 |
harlowja | root_flow.add(task1, task2...) | 21:47 |
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harlowja | root_flow.add(nested_flow) | 21:48 |
harlowja | where nested_flow is yet another flow | 21:48 |
efried | harlowja Yeah, that's how we use it. | 21:48 |
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harlowja | oh, k | 21:48 |
efried | https://github.com/openstack/nova-powervm/blob/master/nova_powervm/virt/powervm/driver.py#L454 | 21:49 |
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efried | The aforementioned | 21:49 |
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harlowja | kk | 21:50 |
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figleaf | leakypipes: just catching up on scrollback. I ran tests on that patch and didn't get any errors | 21:53 |
leakypipes | figleaf: yeah, it's weird.. :) | 21:54 |
figleaf | leakypipes: well, Gerrit like is, so... :) | 21:54 |
figleaf | s/like is/likes it | 21:55 |
leakypipes | yeah, I saw that :) | 21:55 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Clean up ClientRouter debt https://review.openstack.org/444487 | 21:56 |
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cfriesen | has anyone run into an issue with libvirt (version 1.2.12) reporting "operation failed: domain is no longer running" if you pause the instance while the migration is running (to force completion)? It seems to be fixed in libvirt 1.2.17. I'm looking at the libvirt code, but I figured I'd ask... | 22:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Sivasathurappan Radhakrishnan proposed openstack/nova master: Allow live migrate paused instance when post copy is enabled https://review.openstack.org/444517 | 22:17 |
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melwitt | dansmith: your thoughts would be appreciated on the consoleauth token upcall patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415922/ I was wondering whether it makes sense to also reject requests for connect_info too since it seemed possible it wouldn't be usable | 22:29 |
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melwitt | or if I'm not understanding that right | 22:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova master: WIP - Combine the two auth.py files https://review.openstack.org/444521 | 22:39 |
openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova master: WIP - Move __init__.py https://review.openstack.org/444522 | 22:39 |
openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova master: WIP - Move wsgi.py https://review.openstack.org/444523 | 22:39 |
openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova master: WIP - move urlmap.py https://review.openstack.org/444524 | 22:39 |
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efried | melwitt Seems like you still have reservations about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443745/. Not that you want to rollback the whole change; maybe just a reword before you commit. (I'm paraphrasing - that's not a direct quota [sic].) | 22:52 |
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melwitt | efried: yeah, I think it's probably worth fixing the docstring and comments so as not to possibly confuse others down the line. I considered adjusting the wording myself and +2 it, but mriedem has a merge conflict at the top of the stack that I thought he might want to handle himself | 22:56 |
* efried 's attempts at humor fall flat. | 22:56 | |
melwitt | heh, no, was a good quota joke | 22:58 |
efried | whew | 22:59 |
efried | There are so precious few of those, as we all know. | 22:59 |
melwitt | that's true, we don't get a lot of quota jokes around here. mostly just quota lamentations | 23:00 |
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