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| mriedem | mordred: it's time for your regular sunday night compute API lesson in terrible for the week https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/api.py#L259 | 00:51 |
| mriedem | single config option which disables the createImage API so no one can take snapshots, via that API - but you can still take snapshots indirectly via createBackup and shelve APIs | 00:51 |
| mriedem | so that's fun | 00:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Libvirt: Native LUKS file and host device decryption by QEMU https://review.openstack.org/437070 | 09:51 |
| lyarwood | kashyap: ^ thanks for the note re QEMU 2.9 and LUKS support on RBD, did you have a reference URL I could use for that? I can't see anything in the changelog. | 09:52 |
| lyarwood | mdbooth: ^ if you have time today, I think this might be able to land before the deadline on Wednesday. | 09:52 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: Changelog doesn't have it; it's been in the mailing list discussions. I'll add a link on the review | 09:52 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: IIRC, Matt is away til 12 | 09:53 |
| lyarwood | ah! | 09:53 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: You want a reference URL for _existing_ LUKS support for RBD, yes? | 09:53 |
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| lyarwood | kashyap: yeah anything that highlights that it is present in 2.9 | 09:54 |
| kashyap | I'll point to some Git commits in the review | 09:54 |
| kashyap | (In a bit) | 09:54 |
| lyarwood | kashyap: thanks | 09:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tadas Ustinavičius proposed openstack/nova master: OpenStack lacks ability to define custom path to emulator. Nova will always use the default path defined by libvirt. This makes impossible to use custom built qemu emulators in non-default system paths. This patch solves this problem. https://review.openstack.org/445558 | 11:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Enable cold migration with target host(2/2) https://review.openstack.org/408964 | 12:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Enable cold migration with target host(2/2) https://review.openstack.org/408964 | 12:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Add functional tests for cold migration to same host https://review.openstack.org/414926 | 12:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: api-ref: Add parameters in cold migrate action https://review.openstack.org/410042 | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Avoid forcing translation on logging calls https://review.openstack.org/413876 | 12:09 |
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| kashyap | sfinucan: This patch (emulator_versioN) should add more caveats. Does my comment make sense here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445558/5 | 12:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: encryptors: Do not overwrite file volumes on attach_volume https://review.openstack.org/452938 | 12:36 |
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| sfinucan | kashyap: Just heading for lunch, but I'll take a gawk soon as I'm back | 12:39 |
| kashyap | Likewise, here, too | 12:39 |
| kashyap | Gawk at your leisure | 12:39 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | sfinucan: Hi, please check this too after your lunch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364687/ I have addressed your review comments. | 12:45 |
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| dane-fichter | johnthetubaguy: could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351232/ ? | 12:59 |
| dane-fichter | mriedem +2'd it a couple days ago but it hasn't had much activity since then | 13:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | dane-fichter: yeah, the already +2ed backlog is getting a bit big with all the effort on spec reviews, will try hit that one soon | 13:01 |
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| dane-fichter | johnthetubaguy: Ah yeah I guess the spec freeze is looming. Thanks John | 13:02 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: is there a burndown chart or something for the policies doc effort? | 13:07 |
| mriedem | i have someone new looking to contribute and i was going to suggest that as an option but not sure how they avoid stepping on toes | 13:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I think macsz looked into one, but basically this doc gives you a good idea: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/sample_policy.html | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I think its almost all done now | 13:08 |
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| mriedem | i still see quite a few server actions undocumented | 13:09 |
| mriedem | oh maybe that's this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451966/ | 13:10 |
| mriedem | yeah nevermind | 13:10 |
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| macsz | johnthetubaguy: aunnam and sneti work on policy stuff. i did burndown chart for mox work | 13:12 |
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| belmoreira | I'm testing DB migration from Mitaka to Newton and it fails in 330 because deleted compute nodes don't have an uuid | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | macsz: ah, right, I mixed the two | 13:16 |
| belmoreira | is there a reason to consider deleted compute nodes? | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | belmoreira: I think dansmith looked into these | 13:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | belmoreira: basically the online migration should have added a uuid in, so we can make the uuid required, if my memory is correct | 13:17 |
| mriedem | belmoreira: i just updated that bug | 13:17 |
| mriedem | it's fixed in newton | 13:17 |
| macsz | mriedem johnthetubaguy: i can create burndown chart for policy, if needed | 13:17 |
| mriedem | macsz: don't bother at this point | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | macsz: I think its done now, no need | 13:17 |
| macsz | mriedem johnthetubaguy: okey dokey | 13:17 |
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| mriedem | belmoreira: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435620/ | 13:18 |
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| belmoreira | mriedem: johnthetubaguy: thanks | 13:20 |
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| mriedem | bauwser: gibi: how do you migrate a group of servers with an affinity policy since you can't pass a list of servers to migrate at once, and we don't migrate as a group? | 13:25 |
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| mriedem | or are you just unable to migrate servers in an affinity group? | 13:25 |
| bauwser | mriedem: I need to go find my daughter | 13:25 |
| bauwser | mriedem: honestly, migrating a group is not possible AFAIK | 13:26 |
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| bauwser | or you need to spin another compute that shares that | 13:26 |
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| mriedem | spin another compute that shares that | 13:32 |
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| mriedem | i don't know what that means | 13:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Abhishek Sharma M proposed openstack/nova master: Catching OverLimit Exception https://review.openstack.org/455118 | 13:33 |
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| jaypipes | morning supernovas. | 13:35 |
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| venki | can we replace virtio model by ETH-1000 while booting the instance ? Anyone pls respond ... | 13:36 |
| mriedem | melwitt: the question of deleting instance mappings when you delete an instance came up in the bug list https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1679941 | 13:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1679941 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Data still exsits in instance_mappings when delete instance" [Undecided,New] | 13:37 |
| mriedem | melwitt: similar to the request spec one, | 13:37 |
| mriedem | i don't have a good answer | 13:37 |
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| kashyap | mriedem: When you get a moment, maybe you'll also have an opinion here, do we want to allow such a thing (a Nova config knob that lets one to use arbitrary QEMU binaries) -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445558/5 | 13:37 |
| kashyap | I wrote some implications there | 13:38 |
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| mriedem | kashyap: ew | 13:38 |
| kashyap | But I'm not quite sure if we'd want to allow such a thing. Can have upstream and downstream consequences | 13:38 |
| kashyap | Precisely | 13:38 |
| mriedem | "nova doesn't allow me to use a custom build ovs, or db, or anything i think should be custom built" | 13:38 |
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| kashyap | Heh | 13:39 |
| kashyap | Upstream painstakingly evaluate the min / max versions each release, only to be overridden by a random config attribute, with that comes the deluge of bugs | 13:40 |
| kashyap | s/evaluate/evaluates/ | 13:40 |
| mriedem | kashyap: well this isn't someone using a distro | 13:40 |
| kashyap | Yeah, even worse | 13:40 |
| mriedem | heh, | 13:41 |
| mriedem | not everyone has to drink your red koolaid you know | 13:41 |
| kashyap | Please comment to that effect, before they have false hopes | 13:41 |
| kashyap | mriedem: Heh, you know, I'll never forget -- when I had new hire orientation way back | 13:41 |
| kashyap | One of the long-time engineering managers said: "You could even use any distribution for development purpose" | 13:42 |
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| kashyap | But that was way back, and don't quote me :-) | 13:42 |
| mriedem | kashyap: i did | 13:43 |
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| mriedem | "regardless of kashyap trying to sell you a rhosp license, this isn't a good idea for upstream" | 13:43 |
| kashyap | LOL | 13:43 |
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| mriedem | wow i just noticed this was approved | 13:44 |
| kashyap | Urgh, I didn't even notice that | 13:44 |
| mriedem | by one of your rh brethren | 13:44 |
| kashyap | mriedem: It caught my attention with its unusually long summary commit message | 13:44 |
| mriedem | yes that is also terrible | 13:45 |
| mriedem | feel free to shame sfinucan | 13:45 |
| edleafe | Scheduler subteam meeting in 15 minutes in #openstack-meeting-alt | 13:45 |
| kashyap | mriedem: Urgh, don't make it sound like a John Grisham's novel ("The Bretheren") | 13:45 |
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| mriedem | i didn't know that existed | 13:45 |
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| * kashyap recalls reading it on his commute to university. Oh, also Lee Child | 13:46 | |
| mriedem | alex_xu: i've been debating doing a single microversion for a new round of deprecations (os-virtual-interfaces, multinic, os-hosts, and the quota class sets thing), but those would kind of all be deprecated for different reasons and be a massive single change, so i don't think it's a great idea | 13:47 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: but i just had to tell someone to get it out of my head | 13:47 |
| jaypipes | venki: pls see /topic. best to ask your question on openstack@ mailing list or ask.openstack.org. thanks! | 13:48 |
| kashyap | mriedem: Thought you'd give it "-2" (which it deserves) | 13:48 |
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| mriedem | kashyap: sounds like a new contributor, i don't want to hammer it | 13:49 |
| cdent | sdague: in your hopes and dreams for placeument under uwsgi, is that on a custom port or standard ports (the latter requires either nginx or mod_proxy_wsgi, no?)? | 13:49 |
| mriedem | kashyap: i assume they are trying to hack some things locally, and just didn't realize this isn't a great upstream change | 13:49 |
| kashyap | mriedem: Ah, okay. Yeah, but a reasonable person would give a benefit of doubt: "Hmm, if this got a -2, then there's a good reason for it, let me learn that" | 13:50 |
| * kashyap nods; anyway... | 13:50 | |
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| mriedem | i'm soft and gentle on a monday morning | 13:51 |
| kashyap | :-) | 13:51 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: so I should stop chanting "crush .. his .. soul!" ? | 13:52 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: yes | 13:54 |
| dansmith | until tomorrow? | 13:54 |
| mriedem | soul crushing is reserved for tuesdays | 13:54 |
| dansmith | got it. | 13:54 |
| thomasem | Wait a moment, you did some of that on Friday. | 13:54 |
| thomasem | I remember. | 13:54 |
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| mriedem | i must have blacked out, don't remember | 13:58 |
| sfinucan | mriedem, kashyap: viva la long commit messages | 13:58 |
| sfinucan | (albeit, properly formatted ones) | 13:58 |
| kashyap | Commit _message_ is fine; summary not :P | 13:58 |
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| sfinucan | mriedem: RE: "<mriedem> sfinucan: is it possible to use choices with ListOpt?" - no, you can't | 13:59 |
| mriedem | dane-fichter: peter-hamilton: might be good to look at this and provide your opinions on if you think a default cafile is a good idea https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1678686 | 13:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1678686 in keystoneauth "keystoneauth doesn't use a default cafile" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Sean McCully (sean-mccully) | 13:59 |
| mriedem | sfinucan: yeah, nor DictOpt | 13:59 |
| mriedem | sfinucan: although DictOpt with key/value choices would be ideal for disk_cachemodes | 14:00 |
| peter-hamilton | mriedem: gotcha, i'll take a look at it | 14:00 |
| * sfinucan didn't know DictOpt was a thing | 14:00 | |
| mriedem | sfinucan: although i don't know how you transition from stropt to dictop w/o breaking config | 14:00 |
| mriedem | unless you create a new option, new name, and deprecate the old one | 14:00 |
| sfinucan | mriedem: ^ that, basically | 14:01 |
| bauzas | mriedem: server groups are grouping instances, right? | 14:01 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: I mean, a server group can have different hosts within it | 14:01 |
| bauzas | depending on the policy of course | 14:01 |
| sfinucan | Would be pretty super for the PCI stuff too. Hmm... | 14:01 |
| gibi | mriedem: migrating affinty group is not possible today. you will get no valid host. you can evacuate an affinity group with --force flag | 14:02 |
| bauzas | mriedem: so, say you have an Affinity policty | 14:02 |
| mriedem | gibi: ok that's what i thought | 14:02 |
| mriedem | gibi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1680773 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1680773 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Migration of a one VM deployed as part of group fails with NoValidHost" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Arun Mani (arun-mani) | 14:02 |
| mriedem | they don't say what their group policy was in the bug, but i assume it was affinity | 14:02 |
| mriedem | we should doc that limitation in the api-ref | 14:02 |
| bauzas | mriedem: gibi: what if I have affinity policy and 2 hosts within that group | 14:02 |
| bauzas | mriedem: gibi: AFAICU, it would be possible to migrate from one to another if that policy | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i thought the server group with affinity policy was using the same_host scheduler hint? | 14:03 |
| mriedem | so it's a single host | 14:03 |
| bauzas | mriedem: no | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i don't know what you mean by 2 hosts within that group | 14:03 |
| gibi | bauzas: you cannot have an affinity group with two hosts iff you evacuated with --force | 14:03 |
| bauzas | mriedem: same_host hint is for SameHostFilter | 14:03 |
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| gibi | bauzas: I mean can only have affinity group on two hosts iff you evacuated one of the VMs with --force | 14:04 |
| bauzas | gibi: right, this is my point | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | gibi: so, say I end up with the group having 2 hosts | 14:04 |
| bauzas | I guess it would be possible to migrate from one to another | 14:04 |
| bauzas | also, I don't remember but I think we now have weighters right? | 14:05 |
| gibi | bauzas: that means you have a broken group so I would not say anythin about what happens when you have a broken group. The precodition is not true so anything can happen | 14:05 |
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| gibi | bauzas: weighters for groups are to implement soft-affinity and soft-anti-affinity | 14:06 |
| bauzas | oh right | 14:06 |
| bauzas | seriously | 14:07 |
| bauzas | Affinity and AntiAffinity are very strict policies | 14:07 |
| gibi | yes | 14:07 |
| mriedem | yeah i was thinking of ServerGroupAffinityFilter | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i create a group with policy 'affinity' | 14:07 |
| mriedem | create 3 servers in that group | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i expect them to be on the same host | 14:07 |
| mriedem | so i can't migrate them | 14:07 |
| bauzas | mriedem: you're correct | 14:07 |
| mriedem | b/c that would violate the policy | 14:07 |
| gibi | correct | 14:07 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:07 |
| bauzas | mriedem: yup, but you can disable the filter if you need so | 14:08 |
| mriedem | so we should document that in the api | 14:08 |
| mriedem | bauzas: the operator can | 14:08 |
| bauzas | well, it's a policy | 14:08 |
| mriedem | the user can't | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: sure, but the hint is transparent | 14:08 |
| bauzas | I mean | 14:08 |
| bauzas | it's self-explanatory | 14:08 |
| bauzas | FWIW, it can even be a DoS vector... | 14:09 |
| bauzas | like | 14:09 |
| bauzas | of course we have quotas tho | 14:09 |
| bauzas | but as a user, I can inflect which host my instances will end up | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | FWIW, I do much prefer the soft policies | 14:09 |
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| gibi | but soft mean nova promises nothing about the placement | 14:10 |
| gibi | a soft affinity group with 10 instances on 10 different host is valid | 14:10 |
| gibi | but most probably not what the user wanted | 14:11 |
| gibi | so for me both affinity and soft-affinity have its use case | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | affinity is just for performance right? | 14:12 |
| gibi | we could define the level of softness in the soft-affinity technically (e.g. how many violations are allowed) but that is extra complexity | 14:12 |
| mriedem | i want my web server and db server on the same host | 14:12 |
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| gibi | mriedem: yes that is the use case in my head for affinity | 14:13 |
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| jaypipes | gibi: yeah, way too much complexity in my opinoin... | 14:13 |
| mriedem | bauzas: gibi: i think it's still worth documenting in the api-ref that you can't migrate affined instances | 14:13 |
| mriedem | users could think that we migrate the entire group | 14:14 |
| mriedem | which we don't | 14:14 |
| bauzas | gibi: I wouldn't play with affinity if I was a blind user honestly | 14:14 |
| bauzas | gibi: I'd rather find a public cloud provider that would guarantee me some space with no noisy neighbors | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | gibi: affinity and anti-affinity policies are for super users that have kind of knowledge of what the cloud has in its guts IMO | 14:15 |
| gibi | in a public cloud I would do that you suggest. In a private telco cloud I might use affinity and anti-affinity | 14:16 |
| bauzas | that's my point | 14:16 |
| bauzas | if I'm private cloud, I have a team to bog with | 14:16 |
| bauzas | to bug* | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | like, I want to spin X instances and I want the maximum IO | 14:16 |
| bauzas | that's a good thing | 14:17 |
| gibi | yes | 14:17 |
| gibi | I think we agree | 14:17 |
| bauzas | but then, you'll end-up with such locked-in environment that you'll need the help of your SA team to move your instances or you kill'em all | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | well, when gibi implements migration of entire server groups, then this won't be a problem anymore | 14:18 |
| gibi | migration of an entire group is something I like as an idea | 14:19 |
| gibi | but it might needs a scheduler that considers more than one instances at a time | 14:19 |
| gibi | or I have to order the instances properly | 14:19 |
| gibi | so I feel a bit frightened to jump into that implementation right now | 14:20 |
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| gibi | also if we talk about server groups then one big limitation of the group approach over the same_host / different_host approach is that a instance can only be part of a single group today | 14:23 |
| gibi | while the hints are allowing a lot more complex setup than tat | 14:23 |
| gibi | that | 14:23 |
| gibi | of course it is just a technical limitation today | 14:24 |
| bauzas | mriedem: migrating a server group as a whole is kinda of a big deal with the current implementation | 14:25 |
| bauzas | even not talking of claims | 14:25 |
| bauzas | but what if for example, a user is booting yet another instance for that group while we migrate ? | 14:25 |
| bauzas | or, how can we be sure some target has enough resources by the time we migrate ? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | bauzas: we don't allow adding/removing members for a group right? | 14:26 |
| bauzas | mriedem: removing, no | 14:26 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: adding, it's like the single usecase we implemented | 14:26 |
| gibi | adding a new instance not adding an existing one | 14:26 |
| bauzas | yup, that | 14:27 |
| gibi | but I agree with bauzas here | 14:27 |
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| gibi | this is complex | 14:27 |
| mriedem | you guys realize i'm half joking about saying once gibi implements migrate server groups right? | 14:27 |
| mriedem | i realize it's a giant mess today | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | i just like to set the insurmountable task | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | gibi: i'm creating a growth opportunity for you :) like a good first line manager. | 14:30 |
| mriedem | gibi: oh btw, | 14:30 |
| mriedem | did you see my comments on the instance tags in the versioned notifications patch? | 14:30 |
| gibi | mriedem: honestly I grow in this community every day and I'm very happy about that | 14:30 |
| mriedem | speaking of insurmountable tasks | 14:31 |
| gibi | mriedem: I even responded to them ;) | 14:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Simon Dodsley proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Enhanced KVM Storage QoS https://review.openstack.org/340168 | 14:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Simon Dodsley proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Enhanced KVM Storage QoS https://review.openstack.org/340168 | 14:34 |
| mriedem | djohnsto: got something for you https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1680773 | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1680773 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Migration of a one VM deployed as part of group fails with NoValidHost" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Arun Mani (arun-mani) | 14:35 |
| mriedem | djohnsto: see the last comment | 14:35 |
| mriedem | djohnsto: we could use a note in the docs about server groups with an affinity policy that they can't be migrated | 14:35 |
| mriedem | djohnsto: that doesn't close the bug, so i'd push that as a Related-Bug change | 14:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Simon Dodsley proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Enhanced KVM Storage QoS https://review.openstack.org/340168 | 14:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova master: remove log translation tags from nova.cells https://review.openstack.org/454854 | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Simon Dodsley proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Enhanced KVM Storage QoS https://review.openstack.org/340168 | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: jimbaker: so what i'd do is: | 14:54 |
| mriedem | 1. deploy ocata | 14:54 |
| mriedem | 2. goof up the [placement] creds in nova.conf for the scheduler service so it can't talk to the placement endpoint | 14:54 |
| mriedem | 3. boot a server and time it | 14:54 |
| mriedem | (osprofiler?) | 14:54 |
| mriedem | 4. fix the placement creds in nova.conf for the scheduler service | 14:54 |
| mriedem | 5. boot a server and time it (probably delete that server from step 3 too before this) | 14:55 |
| mriedem | compare the times and digest in the ML | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | I love stats so I would say do it 30 times so its normally distributed, but otherwise, +1 | 14:55 |
| mriedem | yeah good point | 14:55 |
| mriedem | i think that's what rally does right? but it's 3 rather than 30? | 14:56 |
| jimbaker | mriedem, so that gets us to some raw performance. and yeah, i have some basic stats knowledge. i was planning to look at the chatter as well with placement | 14:56 |
| mriedem | i've personally never used rally or osprofiler so i can't claim to know how easy they are to do this | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I have only seen the output from it | 14:57 |
| jimbaker | i had previously looked at the possibility of using osprofiler for craton (which i'm transitioning away from) | 14:57 |
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| jimbaker | and in general a fan of tracing | 14:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Maciej Szankin proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add remove-nova-consoleauth spec https://review.openstack.org/450063 | 14:58 |
| jimbaker | but i think the thing that made sense here for someone new was getting a handle on the flow - and seeing what was necessary after all | 14:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | jimbaker: its amazing what you can get from just the instance.save() notification system, you see how long it takes to set the host, for example, but thats probably a distraction | 14:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Hamilton proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add support for certificate validation https://review.openstack.org/357151 | 14:58 |
| jimbaker | johnthetubaguy, ack, more for my quiver | 14:59 |
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| peter-hamilton | jaypipes: thanks for the +2 | 15:00 |
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| peter-hamilton | jaypipes: i just pushed an update to the spec to address the integration of cursive into nova | 15:01 |
| peter-hamilton | jaypipes: minor changes for the most part | 15:02 |
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| jaypipes | peter-hamilton: +2d again :) | 15:11 |
| peter-hamilton | jaypipes: awesome! thanks | 15:11 |
| jaypipes | peter-hamilton: I used to think that *I* was the most loquacious spec writer. *you* have clearly taken that title from me ;P | 15:12 |
| peter-hamilton | jaypipes: i do like to be thorough :) | 15:12 |
| jaypipes | :) | 15:12 |
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| mriedem | sdague: you should probably get involved in the osc/horizon thread on novaclient 8.0 removing nova-net support, re: dtroyer's reply | 15:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova master: Add ability to view quota details for project owner https://review.openstack.org/386008 | 15:20 |
| mriedem | sdague: or keep me in check if i'm wrong | 15:20 |
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| sdague | mriedem: yeh, I'm with you | 15:24 |
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| mriedem | i may also be not understanding what dtroyer is saying, | 15:24 |
| mriedem | and if osc wants to support nova-net forever, then that's on them | 15:25 |
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| sdague | yep, that's fine | 15:26 |
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| abhi89 | alex_xu: Hi | 15:27 |
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| abhi89 | alex_xu: can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455118/2 | 15:28 |
| sdague | cdent: did you start in on placement uwsgi bits yet? | 15:28 |
| cdent | sdague: no, did you see my question from earlier in the day about whether we still want placement on port 80 and a prefix and how that impacts the uwsgi bits (and my comments on mtreinish's patch)? | 15:29 |
| cdent | (question in this channel) | 15:29 |
| sdague | cdent: nope | 15:30 |
| abhi89 | dansmith: Hi.. can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455118/2 | 15:30 |
| sdague | cdent: so, I guess it all comes down to the tls termination | 15:31 |
| cdent | [t 3FDi] | 15:31 |
| purplerbot | <cdent> sdague: in your hopes and dreams for placeument under uwsgi, is that on a custom port or standard ports (the latter requires either nginx or mod_proxy_wsgi, no?)? [2017-04-10 13:49:28.430362] [n 3FDi] | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/nova master: Read NIC features in libvirt https://review.openstack.org/444415 | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/nova master: Read Neutron port 'binding_profile' during boot https://review.openstack.org/449257 | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/nova master: Add Neutron port capabilities to devspec in request https://review.openstack.org/451777 | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/nova master: Modify PciPassthroughFilter to accept lists https://review.openstack.org/444946 | 15:31 |
| cdent | sdague: the related bits were comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451562/ | 15:31 |
| mtreinish | cdent: I did see your comment on my patch. I actually didn't consider doing that. I figured we wanted to keep the 1 process per api server (at least for now) | 15:33 |
| mtreinish | but it might be a good idea to start playing with that | 15:33 |
| melwitt | jaypipes: hey, I have the placement project/user spec amendment proposed and your thoughts would be appreciated on whether project_id/user_id should be optional query string params for the set_allocations call https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454352/ | 15:34 |
| cdent | one way we might be able to incrementally get there is instead of switching wholesale to nginx, is to start making mox_proxy_uwsgi available | 15:34 |
| mtreinish | cdent: that's what devstack uses in uwsgi mode | 15:35 |
| djohnsto | mriedem: Thanks let me take a look, and I'll see what I can do. Thanks for getting me started | 15:35 |
| mriedem | yw | 15:35 |
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| cdent | mtreinish: it is? I thought it was running standalone uwsgi servers? | 15:35 |
| sdague | the disadvantage with with templates is that it's one more thing to understand, and things can be spun up with the wrong names easily, then not work | 15:36 |
| cdent | mtreinish: using either the mod_proxy or nginx way gets us services on prefixes instead of ports, while still providing separate logs | 15:36 |
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| cdent | sdague: I'm not sure if I'll fulling understanding what you're saying? | 15:37 |
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| mtreinish | cdent: hmm, you might be right. I might be confusing it with what I did | 15:37 |
| mtreinish | I just assumed it was mod_proxy_uwsgi because that's what the keystone docs say you should do | 15:38 |
| cdent | yeah, I think for outside-devstack that's right, but in devstack it's standalone | 15:38 |
| sdague | cdent: we can either use systemd native templating, or we can blast out our own files | 15:39 |
| sdague | systemd native templating means we need everything in certain naming schemes, which actually makes figuring out which are the devstack services possibly less clear | 15:40 |
| sdague | because we're going to have a couple different types of templates | 15:40 |
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| cdent | sdague: perhaps. I haven't fully grokked the functionality of the template file names, but I was thinking they'd still all be in the devstack namespace | 15:42 |
| cdent | sdague, mtreinish: in any case I think we can set the template question aside, at least for now, and consider the question of placement + uwsgi only. Do we want to throw mod_proxy_uwsgi into the mix, or take placement off the /placement prefix and have it only on a port? (for now) | 15:44 |
| sdague | cdent: there are very specific naming rules that making things potentially odd | 15:44 |
| sdague | cdent: so... here is my question, which I don't know | 15:45 |
| sdague | in what ways can the current apache tls proxy talk to the uwsgi process? | 15:45 |
| sdague | because I'm going to assume the tls terminator remains a thing we want, and that is not port based | 15:46 |
| sdague | but I don't quite know what constraints that puts on running uwsgi | 15:46 |
| cdent | theoretically none: if we have a proxy it can get to anything else over more http | 15:47 |
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| sdague | cdent: right, except that means we need ports, right | 15:48 |
| cdent | uwsgi can expose itself either over http or a socket. The socket is more efficient and if we want to use it we need either ngxin or one of the three apaceh-based solutions | 15:48 |
| sdague | cdent: right, so the socket approach, if we do that, do we have a path forward that lets us dump the ports? | 15:48 |
| cdent | it depends on what the tls proxy is doing, which I haven't paid much attention to. | 15:48 |
| sdague | with apache tls proxy in the front end | 15:48 |
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| sdague | cdent: right, so that's my question :) | 15:48 |
| sdague | http://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Apache.html seems to hint yes | 15:49 |
| cdent | if we have a proxy in front of uwsgi, we can dump ports in the public exposed interfaces | 15:49 |
| cdent | it doesn't matter which proxy | 15:49 |
| cdent | could tls, mod_uwsgi_proxy, could even be mod_rewrite | 15:49 |
| jaypipes | melwitt: done | 15:50 |
| sdague | cdent: well, the default devstack has tls proxy on | 15:50 |
| cdent | okay, but, for example, the service catalog entry for placement doesn't care about that | 15:50 |
| melwitt | thanks jaypipes | 15:50 |
| cdent | sdague: I may be somewhat confused here as I've never paid any attention to the tls-proxy, how (and why) is it getting involved in any of this? | 15:52 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: bauzas: johnthetubaguy: dansmith: cdent: edleafe: etherpad for notes https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-claims-in-scheduler pre-filled for your pleasure | 15:55 |
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| bauzas | kewl | 15:56 |
| cdent | thanks mriedem | 15:56 |
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| sdague | cdent: well, I'm trying to figure out what the rest of the constraints of having an environment up and running look like. Because we turn on TLS termination during gate runs, and configure accordingly. That means we already have apache modproxy running. Maybe it's completely orthoginal. | 15:56 |
| sdague | cdent: my preference is have a way to run all these, as per service uwsgi daemons, that don't have special ports | 15:57 |
| sdague | however we can make that happen, cool | 15:57 |
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| cdent | sdague: Okay, when I get a bit more headspace I'll put together some examples of the various ways it can be done, none should be too overly complex to do, so relatively easy to compare and contrast. Should be within the next 24 hours or less. gotta starta meeting now | 15:58 |
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| mriedem | cdent: edleafe: dansmith: jaypipes: bauzas: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/t7rdtjfdprf7dj3ynbipspid6ue | 16:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Octave Orgeron proposed openstack/nova master: Enables MySQL Cluster Support for Nova https://review.openstack.org/446643 | 16:16 |
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| mriedem | cdent: dansmith: jaypipes: edleafe: bauzas: to be clear, do we pass an AllocationList object? or something more? | 17:02 |
| mriedem | to compute i mean | 17:02 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I thought the former | 17:03 |
| bauzas | because they're already having a nested ResourceProvider object | 17:03 |
| mriedem | i kept getting confused by jaypipes saying we'd be passing the resource providers down | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: I would say an AllocationList object, yes. | 17:03 |
| dansmith | yeah | 17:03 |
| bauzas | FWIW, I'm just updating the spec *now* | 17:03 |
| mriedem | ok | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: resource provider is part of the Allocation object | 17:03 |
| mriedem | yeah i see that now | 17:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dinesh Bhor proposed openstack/nova master: Refactor: Move post method to APIValidationTestCase base class https://review.openstack.org/364687 | 17:04 |
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| mriedem | ok updated the etherpad with what i think we agreed on | 17:06 |
| mriedem | i'm still fuzzy on the steps where we create the instance in the cell, and how that changes | 17:06 |
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| bauzas | dropping now, but back later | 17:08 |
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| cdent | mriedem: if I'm continuing to feel antsy about allocations over RPC, do you want my thoughts (when they go from general anxiety to concrete concerns) recorded on the etherpad or the spec? | 17:13 |
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| mriedem | cdent: i suppose the spec? | 17:17 |
| cdent | mriedem: roger, I'll sleep on it | 17:17 |
| cdent | if I can sleep through my code complexity nightmares | 17:18 |
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| mnestratov | hi all | 17:24 |
| mnestratov | looks like my bp left without any attention https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/config-drive-support-for-virtuozzo-containers | 17:25 |
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| mnestratov | and I wonder if it needs a spec? | 17:26 |
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| mnestratov | at PTG we agreed that tonyb will ask mikal what was his concern about previous implementation | 17:28 |
| mnestratov | but I doubt this was done as there was no movement neither in bp nor in the code review | 17:30 |
| mnestratov | so, my question is there any chance for this bp to be approved? | 17:30 |
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| abhi89 | johnthetubaguy: Hi John.. can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455118/2 | 17:37 |
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| mriedem | mnestratov: thanks for the reminder, i'll email mikal and tonyb about it | 17:46 |
| mnestratov | mriedem: thanks | 17:47 |
| mnestratov | mriedem: I should have done it myself and a bit earlier I think | 17:49 |
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| mriedem1 | mnestratov: done. remind me in a couple of days if we don't hear back and I'll just approve the blueprint. | 18:00 |
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| mnestratov | mriedem: thanks a lot! | 18:01 |
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| mriedem | sdague: so my daughter complained of feeling like she was going to throw up this morning so stayed home, she's not yet at the age to lie about being sick to ditch school, | 18:03 |
| mriedem | and lo and behold i found the original reading rainbow on the pbs kids channel on amazon | 18:03 |
| mriedem | it's like i've traveled back in time | 18:03 |
| sdague | heh | 18:03 |
| sdague | I funded the reading rainbow kickstarter a few years ago, and got a t-shirt out of it | 18:04 |
| mriedem | "this is what people looked like when i was your age" | 18:04 |
| clarkb | hbo has old sesame street | 18:04 |
| sdague | it's really the best t-shirt to travel in | 18:04 |
| mriedem | clarkb: i thought the hbo stuff was new? | 18:04 |
| sdague | TSA folks are super cheery when they see you in it | 18:04 |
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| clarkb | mriedem: its both, they also go rights the stream the old catalog | 18:04 |
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| mriedem | oh nice | 18:04 |
| mriedem | the old stuff is way better | 18:05 |
| dansmith | I think you guys are in the wrong channel | 18:05 |
| mriedem | can it nerd | 18:05 |
| dansmith | big bird would not approve :( | 18:05 |
| mriedem | for support of 80s pbs kids shows, go to #openstack-pbs-memories | 18:05 |
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| mriedem | sdague: isn't there some way to tell api samples tests when they verify a response, that i don't care what a value is, i just want to validate the type, like a uuid field, in a response | 19:11 |
| mriedem | nvm, "%(uuid)s" does the trick | 19:13 |
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| efried | mriedem ^^ manual rebase (cursive) | 19:59 |
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| kfox1111 | which pip package has nova-manage cli now? | 20:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/nova master: Modify PciPassthroughFilter to accept lists https://review.openstack.org/444946 | 20:04 |
| mriedem | kfox1111: same as always | 20:05 |
| mriedem | nova | 20:05 |
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| kfox1111 | pip install python-novaclient? | 20:06 |
| kfox1111 | (novatest)[kfox@mantis ~]$ pip install python-novaclient | 20:07 |
| mriedem | kfox1111: no | 20:07 |
| dansmith | kfox1111: no, he said nova | 20:07 |
| mriedem | "nova" | 20:07 |
| mriedem | just nova | 20:07 |
| mriedem | as it always has been and always will be (until it no longer is) | 20:07 |
| kfox1111 | pip install nova | 20:08 |
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| mriedem | there is no nova pip on pypi | 20:08 |
| mriedem | if that's the confusing part | 20:08 |
| mriedem | git clone nova | 20:08 |
| mriedem | cd nova | 20:08 |
| mriedem | pip install . | 20:08 |
| mriedem | ? | 20:08 |
| kfox1111 | pip install python-novaclient does work. | 20:08 |
| kfox1111 | there is something out on pypi there. | 20:08 |
| mriedem | you've never been able to get nova from pypi | 20:08 |
| dansmith | kfox1111: python-novaclient is not nova | 20:08 |
| kfox1111 | ah. | 20:09 |
| kfox1111 | ok. | 20:09 |
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| kfox1111 | heh. sure looks like nova to me... | 20:09 |
| kfox1111 | (novatest)[kfox@mantis ~]$ ~/venvs/novatest/bin/nova --help | grep Command | 20:10 |
| kfox1111 | Command-line interface to the OpenStack Nova API. | 20:10 |
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| dansmith | the primary binary that novaclient installs is called nova | 20:10 |
| dansmith | that is distinct from the server thing called nova | 20:10 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, totally understood. | 20:11 |
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| kfox1111 | I'm just looking for the nova-manage tool. | 20:11 |
| kfox1111 | is that only bundled with the server? | 20:11 |
| dansmith | YES | 20:11 |
| kfox1111 | ah. ok. | 20:11 |
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| kfox1111 | I was confused as it does clienty things. but I guess maybe it depends on talking to the server directly. | 20:11 |
| dansmith | it does no clienty things | 20:11 |
| dansmith | it does direct-to-the-database things, which is why it is very tightly coupled to the server code | 20:12 |
| kfox1111 | ah. ok. | 20:12 |
| kfox1111 | one other quiestion... | 20:12 |
| kfox1111 | in the docs, I found this: | 20:12 |
| kfox1111 | nova-manage cell_v2 discover_hosts | 20:12 |
| kfox1111 | but not much on how you decide which cell gets which hosts. | 20:12 |
| mriedem | sec | 20:13 |
| mriedem | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/man/nova-manage.html#nova-cells-v2 | 20:13 |
| mriedem | you might be looking at old docs, ^ is much more detailed | 20:13 |
| mriedem | also https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/cells.html | 20:13 |
| mriedem | is the super detailed version | 20:13 |
| kfox1111 | ah. nice. thank you. :) | 20:13 |
| mriedem | to explain what cells v1 and cells v2 is | 20:13 |
| mriedem | and the commands for cells v2 setup | 20:13 |
| mriedem | and scenarios for installing or upgrading to cells v2 | 20:14 |
| mriedem | by default, every nova deployment starting in ocata is a single-cell cells v2 deployment | 20:14 |
| mriedem | we don't support multiple cells v2 cells in ocata | 20:14 |
| mriedem | working on that for pike | 20:14 |
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| mriedem | if dansmith would stop answering questions in channel and fix his series :P | 20:15 |
| kfox1111 | ah. ok. thats good to know too. :) | 20:15 |
| kfox1111 | thanks for the info. | 20:15 |
| mriedem | dansmith is also presenting on all this at the forum if you'll be there | 20:15 |
| dansmith | mriedem: um excuse me, but there are four in the gate right now | 20:15 |
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| mriedem | plus a forum session | 20:15 |
| mriedem | not this motherscratcher https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442736/ | 20:16 |
| kfox1111 | oh. one more. is there a way to list out the cells and what hosts are in what cells? | 20:16 |
| kfox1111 | just to ensure all the compute nodes are registered that I'm expecting for debuggging. | 20:16 |
| dansmith | kfox1111: seriously.. look at the docs | 20:16 |
| mriedem | there is a nova-manage cells_v2 list_cells command | 20:17 |
| mriedem | don't think we have one to list the host mappings per cell yet | 20:17 |
| kfox1111 | dansmith: it may be obvious to you, but I'm not seeing it. | 20:17 |
| kfox1111 | ah. thats why I didn't see it. thanks. | 20:17 |
| mriedem | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/man/nova-manage.html#nova-cells-v2 | 20:17 |
| mriedem | nova-manage cell_v2 list_cells | 20:17 |
| dansmith | mriedem: discover_hosts is idempotent and --verbose will list the hosts for each | 20:17 |
| kfox1111 | so, I just gotta run discover_hosts if I'm unsure if all are bound. | 20:17 |
| mriedem | dansmith: that's not mentioned in the man page for discover_hosts | 20:18 |
| mriedem | but ok | 20:18 |
| bauzas | call me dumb, but I can't find where in the RT code instance.claim() is defined as a contextmanager?! The Claim object itself is not having __enter__ and __exit__ | 20:18 |
| mriedem | we could expand list_cells to show hosts in a given cell | 20:18 |
| dansmith | kfox1111: you can only have one cell with hosts right now, so .. either they're mapped there or they're not | 20:18 |
| mriedem | bauzas: the parent noopclaim class | 20:18 |
| bauzas | oh shit, nvm | 20:18 |
| bauzas | mriedem: yup, just missed that | 20:18 |
| kfox1111 | dansmith: yeah. but I'm just trying to overify if thats the case or not. | 20:19 |
| kfox1111 | there are two states there. :) | 20:19 |
| dansmith | kfox1111: have you created other cell databases? | 20:19 |
| bauzas | grmblbl, it's late | 20:19 |
| dansmith | kfox1111: if so, then you messed up anyway and if not, then no hosts are registered in a nonexistent database | 20:19 |
| kfox1111 | dansmith: yeah. I have all the code for creation in. it works most of the time. but if a race condition happans and the cell is created before the compute, | 20:19 |
| mriedem | kfox1111: dansmith: to be clear, we can expand list_cells for more info, we talked about that in ocata i think, i think it'd be useful | 20:19 |
| kfox1111 | I wana ensure that all the nodes madie it into the cell. | 20:19 |
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| kfox1111 | just running discover_hosts again should fix it. | 20:20 |
| kfox1111 | but was looking for more info to look for the condition. | 20:20 |
| mriedem | reporting clis will be nice for people rolling into this that are new to it | 20:20 |
| kfox1111 | but that doesn't seem like its there yet. thats fine. | 20:20 |
| mriedem | "it" == cells v2 | 20:20 |
| kfox1111 | just rerunning discover_hosts will be an ok workournd for now. | 20:20 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I'm comming from many years of nova deployments. the cell v2 stuff is all very new to me. | 20:21 |
| dansmith | discovering and listing hosts per cell is nearly the same operation | 20:21 |
| dansmith | there's not much point in listing alone | 20:21 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. but one makes changes, the other does not. | 20:21 |
| kfox1111 | yes, there is. | 20:21 |
| mriedem | the point is i'm afraid of unexpected changes | 20:21 |
| kfox1111 | one tells you why something migh have failed in the past. | 20:22 |
| mriedem | so just read-only type commands i'm happy with | 20:22 |
| kfox1111 | the other fixes an issue. | 20:22 |
| dansmith | kfox1111: discover_hosts differentiates between hosts that are existing and added, | 20:22 |
| dansmith | but that's fine | 20:22 |
| kfox1111 | those are potentially different operations to an operator trying to understand and fix their system. | 20:22 |
| dansmith | for people with thousands of hosts, the list is not super pointful, IMHO | 20:22 |
| kfox1111 | I'm only in the hundereds. | 20:23 |
| kfox1111 | ;) | 20:23 |
| kfox1111 | anyway. as an op, its not very intuitive to go looking for "how do I find out what hosts are bound to what cell" and expect "bind hosts to cell" to be the right answer. just fyi. might be a good faq item at least. | 20:25 |
| dansmith | if you want to list hosts in a cell, | 20:26 |
| dansmith | you would use the regular host list thing pointing at a cell config file | 20:27 |
| dansmith | which we can automate from the top level for sure, | 20:27 |
| dansmith | but it just seems not that useful to me to get 10k hosts in a list to find if host N is in cell M | 20:27 |
| dansmith | but clearly it is | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Document and provide useful error message for volume-backed backup https://review.openstack.org/452970 | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: api-ref: move createBackup to server-actions https://review.openstack.org/452971 | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: 2.43: Remove Location header from createImage and createBackup responses https://review.openstack.org/455443 | 20:28 |
| mriedem | dansmith: you mean nova-manage host list right? | 20:28 |
| mriedem | pointing at the cell config? | 20:28 |
| dansmith | yar | 20:28 |
| mriedem | ok | 20:29 |
| mriedem | maybe i'll start a FAQs section to the cells page | 20:29 |
| mriedem | i thought about that at one point | 20:29 |
| mriedem | same for placement | 20:29 |
| mriedem | because there was a couple of weeks around ocata rc when i felt like we were answering the same questions over and over | 20:29 |
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| mriedem | oh snap today is supposed to be mitaka eol | 20:30 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: dansmith: cdent: edleafe: possibly a misunderstanding of me, but I thought we finally ended up saying that we would use the RequestSpec object as the conveyor for the RPC bus ? | 20:36 |
| cdent | bauzas: mriedem wants it over rpc but not in the requestspec object | 20:36 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: dansmith: cdent: edleafe: but etherpad tells me we agreed it would be a separate RPC arg | 20:36 |
| bauzas | okay, tbh, I'm not opiniated at all | 20:37 |
| bauzas | cdent: anyway, seems an implementation detail to me (well, to a certain point since it requires RPC version bumps) | 20:37 |
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| dansmith | bauzas: the etherpad is right | 20:38 |
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| bauzas | roger. | 20:39 |
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| mriedem | -2 to stuffing the allocation list into the requestspec | 20:41 |
| mriedem | the request spec is ALREADY an arg on the rpc call | 20:41 |
| mriedem | remember, the unused floppy dildo? | 20:41 |
| bauzas | mriedem: hold your -2 :p | 20:42 |
| mriedem | -4 | 20:42 |
| bauzas | 42 | 20:45 |
| mriedem | bauzas: remember when you said the hangout time was too late for you? | 20:47 |
| mriedem | and that was 5 hours ago | 20:47 |
| * jroll translates to french: <mriedem> bauzas: gtfo | 20:48 | |
| bauzas | mriedem: don't ask me to explain the space/time relationship we have in France | 20:49 |
| bauzas | it would require Einstein to come back and explain French theory of relativity | 20:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Placement doing claims https://review.openstack.org/437424 | 20:51 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: mriedem: cdent: edleafe: (and jaypipes FWIW) ^ | 20:52 |
| bauzas | also, please note I'll be quite offline tomorrow afternoon my time | 20:52 |
| edleafe | bauzas: cool, will review soon | 20:53 |
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| bauzas | because of this https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17390425_1896048050684288_3792623604748129338_o.jpg?oh=fe50d8c043cb3958a87e71b91dcb44bb&oe=598BED45 | 20:55 |
| bauzas | new co-worker arriving tomorrow ^ | 20:55 |
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| mriedem | oh man | 21:03 |
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| cdent | sdague, mtreinish: I didn't get as much done this evening as I wanted on uwsgi and other explorations, but will continue tomorrow. Most of today's work was simply getting my bearings, but I've started some notes on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/devstack-uwsgi | 21:15 |
| mriedem | dansmith: want to take a gander at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata+topic:bug/1665698 and then once those are in i'll release ocata | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | sdague: mtreinish: ^ you too | 21:15 |
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| jroll | mriedem: so ironic wants to do a thing where we can tag ironic hosts with neutron networks, and make sure nova schedules instances to the hosts with matching networks. seems like nova's routed networks thing does that, but I don't understand what I would need to change to make that work for ironic. can you help with that or should I wait to bug johnthetubaguy ? | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | jroll: have you read through carl_baldwin's nova spec about working routed networks support into nova? | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/implemented/neutron-routed-networks.html | 21:23 |
| jroll | mriedem: yeah, is it all just host aggregate based? | 21:23 |
| mriedem | yeah basically | 21:23 |
| jroll | hrm | 21:23 |
| mriedem | neutron creates a resource provider for the network allocation pool | 21:23 |
| mriedem | that's tied to a host aggregate | 21:23 |
| * jroll has no clue about host aggregates | 21:24 | |
| mriedem | honestly i'd have to go back and read the spec too, it's been since newton | 21:24 |
| jroll | I can only aggregate hosts, right, not nodes? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:24 |
| mriedem | well, i think so | 21:24 |
| jroll | ya, sounds right | 21:24 |
| * jroll will have to ask our network people what they had in mind | 21:24 | |
| mriedem | we don't distinguish between hosts and nodes in the api | 21:24 |
| jroll | yeah | 21:25 |
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| jroll | mriedem: I was just going through our priorities and making sure we had BPs and such approved for everything, this was the only one that did not. might have something coming this week, I guess, if they had ideas | 21:26 |
| mriedem | you have 3 days | 21:26 |
| jroll | exactly :P | 21:26 |
| mriedem | and then the boy dies | 21:26 |
| mriedem | oops, did i say that out loud? | 21:26 |
| jroll | good, I didn't want him anyway | 21:26 |
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| mriedem | i guess we should care about https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/prep-for-network-aware-scheduling-pike,n,z at some point | 21:38 |
| mriedem | given we didn't at all for ocata | 21:38 |
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| cdent | so many things | 21:41 |
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| mriedem | yeah too many things | 21:45 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: +A | 21:53 |
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| mriedem | hells yes! | 21:55 |
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| mriedem | sdague: johnthetubaguy: alex_xu: for your tomorrow, jaypipes left some good comments in the spec to deprecate os-virtual-interfaces https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455023/ - mainly around trimming the fat on the existing response, which johnthetubaguy had also touched on back in newton or ocata when we talked about this | 22:11 |
| mriedem | i'm just wondering how slim we want to get | 22:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Amend spec for placement project/user association https://review.openstack.org/454352 | 22:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Amend spec for placement project/user association https://review.openstack.org/454352 | 22:28 |
| mriedem | rpodolyaka_afk: are you owning this spec for pavel now? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381912/ | 22:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Remove aggregate uuid generation on load from DB https://review.openstack.org/448579 | 22:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: 2.43: Remove Location header from createImage and createBackup responses https://review.openstack.org/455443 | 22:33 |
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| dtp | these shadow tables - do they store the state of records at every change, or only the final state of the record when it is deleted from its main table? | 22:48 |
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| mriedem | dtp: they are used during archive | 22:58 |
| mriedem | the "deleted" records are moved from the main tables to the shadow tables | 22:58 |
| mriedem | during nova-manage db archive_deleted_rows | 22:58 |
| mriedem | so yeah final state | 22:58 |
| dtp | cool, thanks | 22:59 |
| mriedem | dtp: btw, when we get to the api part of that uuid in api bp, i think i'll let you do the os-services api which should be much more straightforward than the os-hypervisors api changes | 23:00 |
| mriedem | i'll take the latter | 23:00 |
| mriedem | since it's going to be more than just the uuid stuff in that one, it's basically a re-write | 23:00 |
| dtp | ok | 23:00 |
| dtp | do you want shadow_services.uuid indexed? | 23:01 |
| mriedem | no | 23:02 |
| mriedem | we don't query anything out of the shadow tables | 23:02 |
| mriedem | so don't care about constraints or indexes there | 23:02 |
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| dtp | mriedem are you still tracking who's coming to boston? | 23:16 |
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