Tuesday, 2018-02-13

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openstackgerritEric Berglund proposed openstack/nova master: Use correct arguments in task inits  https://review.openstack.org/54357100:11
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openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Re-propose convert consoles code to use objects framework  https://review.openstack.org/54366200:26
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova stable/ocata: Add 'delete_host' command in 'nova-manage cell_v2'  https://review.openstack.org/51372100:44
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Transform live_migration_post_dest notification  https://review.openstack.org/46978400:46
openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Transform servergroup.addmember notification  https://review.openstack.org/54110100:47
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Transform aggregate.update_metadata notification  https://review.openstack.org/46062500:47
openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Abort Cold Migration  https://review.openstack.org/33473200:48
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openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Re-propose convert consoles code to use objects framework  https://review.openstack.org/54366201:17
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openstackgerritDinesh Bhor proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Strict isolation of group of hosts for images  https://review.openstack.org/38191201:24
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Dinesh_Bhorcfriesen: Hi, could you please take a look at it whenever you get time: https://review.openstack.org/381912 . I have updated it according to our previous discussion. The flavor case will be covered in request_traits_for_flavor.01:28
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Fix missing blueprint URLs  https://review.openstack.org/54254302:23
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openstackgerritNakanishi Tomotaka proposed openstack/nova master: Use Placement API to check resource usage  https://review.openstack.org/52895304:50
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: add zvm document into  https://review.openstack.org/53272005:21
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Add zvm admin doc  https://review.openstack.org/53312505:21
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Add zvm CI information  https://review.openstack.org/53351205:21
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openstackgerritDinesh Bhor proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add hw:cpu_policy 'mixed' for better CPU utilization  https://review.openstack.org/54380506:24
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openstackgerritChen Hanxiao proposed openstack/nova master: _cleanup_resize: remove rbd swap disk if resize to flavor without swap  https://review.openstack.org/53471106:39
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: List instances performace optimization  https://review.openstack.org/50785407:00
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: List instances performace optimization  https://review.openstack.org/50785407:03
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: Avoid live migrate to same host  https://review.openstack.org/54268907:29
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/54156107:38
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: Fix warn api_class is deprecated, use backend  https://review.openstack.org/54383007:41
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bauzasgood morning Nova08:56
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hrwmorning09:12
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gibistephenfin: what do you think, how can we push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539605/ forward?09:14
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stephenfingibi: I'll take another look shortly. Last I checked, I had an open question on whether we wanted to do this on a port-by-port basis, instance-by-instance basis, or host-level basis09:15
stephenfinI'd favour the less granular approaches if suitable as they're going to less complex/won't add more darn extra specs :)09:16
gibistephenfin: yeah, I tried to answer that question. I can accept both end of the spectrum i.e. host level or port level09:16
gibistephenfin: I can accept that we don't want to add yet another flavor extra_spec09:17
stephenfinSo I see. Let me reply to all the above and state my concerns there09:17
stephenfingibi: Yeah, exactly when it's so specific to a given driver and use case09:17
gibistephenfin: my internal requirements can be fulfilled with host level config + host aggregate09:17
stephenfingibi: Ditto09:18
gibistephenfin: cool, then we are on the same side09:18
gibi:)09:18
gibiit is a bumer that libvirt is revertin the support of the host level config09:19
stephenfinIt's wonderful to have other cores looking at telco-related stuff again :)09:19
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stephenfinIt's probably good for jaypipes' mental health09:19
stephenfinIndeed. They're very much against configuring any defaults at all in libvirt09:19
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stephenfinbesides legacy stuff (as hrw discovered with the USB tablet under ARM issue)09:20
gibiI totally for jaypipes' mental well being09:22
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gibistephenfin: if you summarize your view on the spec then I can second that based on this short chat and then we can call in jaypipes for a review09:23
ameedaHi, just a question about gerrit review, I have 3 nova reviews waiting for reviewers (both of them got +2c, waiting for +2w) , do you follow scheduler to check them or I have to ask you to check them ?09:25
openstackgerritRong Han proposed openstack/nova master: Clean up ports and volumes when deleting ERROR instance  https://review.openstack.org/34061409:28
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stephenfingibi: ALL the comments left :)09:46
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: add zvm document into  https://review.openstack.org/53272009:46
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Add zvm admin doc  https://review.openstack.org/53312509:46
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Add zvm CI information  https://review.openstack.org/53351209:46
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hrwstephenfin: I will get some next stuff around libvirt soon ;D09:48
gibistephenfin: thanks09:49
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openstackgerritLee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: DNM: Test LM with encrypted volumes  https://review.openstack.org/53635010:16
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gibistephenfin: I think we are on the same page about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53960510:40
gibistephenfin: thanks for the reply, I seconded it10:40
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bauzasI haven't started to review specs yet :)10:45
bauzasfor the moment, bug triaging, my lobe10:45
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bauzasstephenfin: sahid: not sure it's a bug, needing more details but still FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/174904510:50
openstackLaunchpad bug 1749045 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Used mem in numa_topology do not include mem used by instance which is not fix mem_page_size" [Undecided,Incomplete]10:50
stephenfinbauzas: Yup, that's a known issue. There's an issue in RH Bugzilla about it alright. sahid was working on it10:50
bauzasstephenfin: okay, could you please mark it as Confirmed then, unless it's a duplicate ?10:51
stephenfinbauzas: Yup, #1689753 looks pretty much the same10:52
* bauzas looking10:53
stephenfinThat's something that (hopefully) placement will solve for us10:53
bauzasstephenfin: ok, marking 1749045 as duplicate of 168975310:53
stephenfinbauzas: Already done :P10:53
bauzascool10:53
bauzasstephenfin: known issue too here https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/174879910:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1748799 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "cpu binding conflict when multiple VMs execute unshelve at the same time" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to tangxing (tang-xing)10:54
stephenfinbauzas: Yup. That's the "we don't recalculate CPU pinning" issue10:54
stephenfinThat's on the agenda for the PTG10:55
bauzasstephenfin: I know, any upstream bug I could say it's duplicate ?10:56
stephenfinbauzas: 1417667 ?10:56
* bauzas looks10:56
stephenfinMaybe update the title if shelve is also affected10:57
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bauzasstephenfin: yep, that's actually a problem for *any* move ops10:59
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openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add 'numa-aware-vswitches' spec  https://review.openstack.org/54129011:32
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stephenfinsean-k-mooney: When you're about, could you have a look at that to make sure the "problem description" section actually makes sense now? Still trying to configure a machine to evaluate this myself https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541290/2/specs/rocky/approved/numa-aware-vswitches.rst11:37
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openstackgerritTetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Enable NUMA Features for Libvirt/QEMU Driver  https://review.openstack.org/53307711:49
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Move the nova-next job in-tree and update it  https://review.openstack.org/54147411:50
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Test websocketproxy with TLS in the nova-next job  https://review.openstack.org/51316013:54
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esberglu#startmeeting powervm_driver_meeting14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 13 14:00:21 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is esberglu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'powervm_driver_meeting'14:00
esberglu#topic In-tree Driver14:00
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esberglu#endmeeting14:01
*** openstack changes topic to "This channel is for Nova development. For support of Nova deployments, please use #openstack. Please see: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule"14:01
openstackMeeting ended Tue Feb 13 14:01:15 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/powervm_driver_meeting/2018/powervm_driver_meeting.2018-02-13-14.00.html14:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/powervm_driver_meeting/2018/powervm_driver_meeting.2018-02-13-14.00.txt14:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/powervm_driver_meeting/2018/powervm_driver_meeting.2018-02-13-14.00.log.html14:01
esbergluSorry thought I was in a different channel14:01
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bauzasmriedem: some possible race when trying to delete a BuildRequest instance https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/174916714:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1749167 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova show can not get an instance information, and this instance can be queried from nova list." [Undecided,New]14:19
bauzasdansmith: when you're up, see above $14:19
bauzaswhat I'm confused is that I can see a "too many connections'" SQL exception14:19
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openstackgerritJiri Suchomel proposed openstack/nova master: Retry few times when creating the initial connection to libvirtd.  https://review.openstack.org/41692814:26
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dansmithbauzas: why is that confusing? I think it means there are too many connections :)14:34
dansmithI can also imagine that we hit that while trying to do the BR->RS->IM dance and thus it's in the cell and not mapped14:34
bauzasdansmith: yeah, I actually provided a comment14:35
dansmithI saw :)14:35
bauzasit impacted the scheduler call14:35
dansmithand probably other things14:35
bauzasso, yeah, let's ask to reproduce and if not, close it14:35
bauzasdansmith: unrelated, other evacuate thing https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/174597714:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1745977 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "When source compute service up, will not destroy and clean up those instances which be evacuated then be deleted." [Undecided,New]14:36
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dansmithokay14:38
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mriedemlyarwood: want to get this pike backport? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537811/14:57
mriedemi'm going to push a pike release today14:57
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mriedemdansmith: can you get this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541036/14:58
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lyarwoodmriedem: ack looking14:58
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mriedemi can't remember if you guys needed this for product either https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539003/14:59
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dansmitherm, not sure I've looked at that one in depth, we should ask her when she's around15:00
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mriedemlyarwood: i'm not sure about this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533733/ - i suppose it's ok since it fails fast in the api rather than silently on the compute,15:02
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mriedemthe problem with swap volume is that i don't think anyone uses it directly,15:02
mriedemit happens as a result of a cinder volume retype or migration15:03
lyarwoodmriedem: right but wouldn't this result in a cleaner failure in that case as well?15:03
mriedemso really, the doc updates should be in the cinder api-ref for retype saying that you can't retype an attached volume where the server instance is in one of those states15:03
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mriedemi don't know if/how cinder handles a 409 from swap volume, and if it rolls back the retype15:04
lyarwoodmriedem: that was an assumption on my part, we'd actually return a 409 to cinder now at least.15:04
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mriedemit is better to get a 409 though so cinder at least has a chance to do some kind of rollback15:04
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mriedemlooks like cinder will delete the new volume (for a retype), and then set the old volume.migration_status='error'15:06
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mriedemand set the old volume status back to in-use15:06
mriedem(i think)15:06
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mriedemlyarwood: ok +2 on that one; want to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541036/ and then i'll cut the release?15:10
lyarwoodmriedem: yup will do, thanks15:11
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mriedemlyarwood: this is re-introducing a regression from queens https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543569/15:23
mriedemi'm pretty sure anyway15:23
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lyarwoodmriedem: How so? We also block swap_volume for encrypted volumes when using native LUKS in >=Queens15:24
mriedemlyarwood: https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/cafe3d066ef7021c18961d4b239a10f61db23f2d#diff-f4019782d93a196a0d026479e6aa61b115:24
mriedemyou're not backporting that regression fix, introduced by the native luks support patch15:24
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mriedemthat broke several cinder backends15:24
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openstackgerritBoris Bobrov proposed openstack/python-novaclient stable/queens: Fix listing of instances above API max_limit  https://review.openstack.org/54396815:25
lyarwoodmriedem: crap, yeah my bad15:26
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mriedemstephenfin: you would probably enjoy the honors here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513160/15:31
mriedemnova-next job + tls proxy enabled15:31
stephenfinmriedem: Ooh, snazzy15:32
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Lazy-load instance attributes with read_deleted=yes  https://review.openstack.org/54397015:32
mriedemi think once we drop the legacy nova-next job that's defined in openstack-zuul-jobs, we should look at making nova-next (defined in tree) voting and gating15:33
mriedemand we should probably also make it run with py315:33
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova master: compute: Makes the resize_instance RPC call synchronous  https://review.openstack.org/54397115:33
cdent\o/15:33
mriedemclaudiub: re your allocation + resize delete thing, did you report a bug for that?15:33
mriedemif not, can you?15:33
claudiubI did. I just sent a patch for it as well15:34
claudiub^15:34
claudiubbasically, the Except branch in ComputeManager's prep_resize is never executed.15:34
mriedemclaudiub: i don't think that's the kind of fix we want15:34
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claudiubin which the allocations gets cleaned up15:35
mriedemwe likely need to handle the allocation cleanup in resize_instance15:35
stephenfinmriedem: Both the commit message and comment in 'nova-next/run.yaml' say the 'tls-proxy' service is enabled when it isn't. If you want to drop that, I can +W15:35
stephenfinOr vice versa. It's confusing otherwise :)15:35
claudiubthat could work too15:36
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Test websocketproxy with TLS in the nova-next job  https://review.openstack.org/51316015:36
mriedemstephenfin: done15:37
claudiubwe might have to do the rescheduling there too, then.15:37
stephenfinmriedem: likewise15:37
mriedemclaudiub: if resize_instance fails, we're dead15:37
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claudiubwhat do you mean?15:38
claudiubyou mean that the resize operation should fail, and be put in error state?15:38
mriedemi don't think we need to try and make every part of a resize reschedulable15:38
mriedemyes15:38
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mriedemchanging the rpc cast to call might fix this issue, but likely introduces an rpc messaging timeout problem15:40
mriedemif resize_instance takes >1 minute15:40
claudiubwell, not necessarely always. for example, if an InstanceFaultRollback is raised by the driver (at least in our scenario - if the new flavor's disk is smaller than the original), then the resize didn't happen, and the instance will be put back into Running state15:40
claudiubhm, I see.15:40
mriedemi see that the libvirt driver's migrate_disk_and_power_off method, called from resize_instance, is doing some checks like if you're trying to resize the disk down or if you're using lvm, it fails,15:42
jaypipesdims: https://twitter.com/jaypipes/status/96343762485266841915:42
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mriedemin that case we'd fail and not reschedule15:42
mriedembut in those cases, we don't want to reschedule15:43
claudiubfair enough15:43
dimsjaypipes, y i was reading all about it yesterday ... :(15:43
claudiubwell then, I'll send another PS.15:43
mriedemclaudiub: you can maybe build a functional test similar to test_resize_to_same_host_prep_resize_fails15:48
mriedemwhere resize_instance fails and we make sure to cleanup allocations created by the scheduler for the destination host15:48
claudiubwill do15:49
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mriedemdansmith: gibi: claudiub's bug got me thinking about how we might leak migration allocations during a failed cold migrate https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1749215/comments/215:59
openstackLaunchpad bug 1749215 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Allocations not deleted on failed resize_instance" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Claudiu Belu (cbelu)15:59
mriedemnormally deleting an instance removes it's allocations from placement and we're happy, that's the last resort kind of cleanup thing,15:59
mriedembut we don't cleanup any allocations tracked against migration records for the instance when we delete the instance,16:00
mriedemgranted if we rollback at the point of failure correctly, we shouldn't need to16:00
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dansmithmriedem: well, the bug would be not in the instance delete path, but in the path where we left a migration allocation in place from the failed resize yeah?16:03
mriedemyeah that's what i mean by "if we rollback at the point of failure correctly, we shouldn't need to"16:03
mriedemlooking at all of the resize flows, and where errors_out_migration_ctxt is used, it could be a lot of places16:03
mriedemwhich is what kind of worries me16:04
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mriedemanyway, it would likely break my brain to try and audit all of those places right now16:04
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mnasermelwitt: dansmith https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539005/ thanks in advance, we just ran into this right now16:18
cdentmriedem: have you tried putting the contents of verify_placement.sh in the parent file in a ( subshell ) and then checking the exit code of the whole thing?16:18
cdentI'm not tracking what you've already tried, just saw the recent "external file not gonna work" report16:19
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mriedemcdent: nope16:23
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mriedemi think the recent failure is due to the legacy nova-next job running from a symlink in nova/tools/hooks16:23
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openstackgerritEric Berglund proposed openstack/nova master: Add check for redundant import aliases  https://review.openstack.org/54399516:33
mriedemi wonder why the nova admin guide docs on schedulers gives a reference to the volume scheduler in cinder https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/admin/configuration/schedulers.html16:36
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mriedemthe link is broken, but i don't know if i should fix it or just remove that part16:36
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gibimriedem: does this trace mean that nova does not handle the exception? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1749215/comments/316:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1749215 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Allocations not deleted on failed resize_instance" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Claudiu Belu (cbelu)16:37
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mriedemgibi: depends on what you mean by handle16:37
mriedemthat's in the _error_out_instance_on_exception context manager,16:38
mriedemwhich is setting the instance to ERROR due to an unexpected exception16:39
mriedemthat's likely a bug, the instance shouldn't be in ERROR16:39
mriedemfor "Resize error: Unable to resize disk down."16:39
gibimriedem: in my log this is the last place nova mentions the ResizeError16:39
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova stable/pike: Make eventlet hub use a monotonic clock  https://review.openstack.org/53781116:39
mriedemgibi: sure, that's because resize_instance is running on the source host, via rpc cast from prep_resize on the dest host16:40
gibimriedem: I in that context manager this is coming from we does not delete claims16:40
mriedemso if that fails, we should cleanup and exit16:40
mriedemthe claim is made in prep_resize on the dest16:40
mriedembefore we rpc cast to resize_instance16:41
gibimriedem: ahh that was the missing piece16:41
gibimriedem: thanks, now I have a place to look at16:41
mriedemwhat i'm not sure about is if/when the dest host RT updates its usage after the migration fails to remove the claim16:42
mriedem        # Grab all in-progress migrations:16:43
mriedem        migrations = objects.MigrationList.get_in_progress_by_host_and_node(16:43
mriedem                context, self.host, nodename)16:43
mriedem        self._pair_instances_to_migrations(migrations, instances)16:43
mriedem        self._update_usage_from_migrations(context, migrations, nodename)16:43
mriedemthat should update the dest host RT at some point16:43
mriedemonce the migration fails, it will no longer be in that in-progress list16:44
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gibimriedem: in my env I don't see that this Exception handler is called during the failed resize: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/fa6c0f9cb14f1b4ce4d9b1dbacb1743173089986/nova/compute/manager.py#L412416:46
mriedemgibi: it's not,16:47
mriedembecause we've already rpc cast to the source host16:47
mriedemhttps://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/fa6c0f9cb14f1b4ce4d9b1dbacb1743173089986/nova/compute/manager.py#L408516:47
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mriedemthat's why claudiub's original fix was to change that to an rpc call16:47
mriedemso the failure would come back to prep_resize on the dest and we'd run that cleanup code16:47
mriedembut rpc calls just mean messaging timeouts16:48
mriedemso i'd rather not do that16:48
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-novaclient stable/queens: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/54374116:48
gibimriedem: OK, then I understand what I see.16:48
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gibimriedem: thanks again16:48
gibimriedem: I have to run now but if the problem still open then I can look at it again tomorrow16:48
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hegemoOnhello there17:04
hegemoOnis it possible to define the number of queue in an image metadata17:05
hegemoOnwhen using virtion-scsi ?17:05
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mriedemstephenfin: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531413/ - i think i might decouple the re-wording part so we can backport that, since i see some other config guide docs that reference that option17:09
stephenfinmriedem: Sure thing. The reservation was because we haven't removed deprecated aliases before, that I'm aware of (there's little cost in keeping them). Worth making sure it was intentional17:11
mriedemi'm sure we've removed deprecated aliases before17:11
mriedemmaybe not recently, but it was pretty common cleanup back in the day17:11
* mriedem now expects to see a bunch of 'remove deprecated aliases' patches from stephenfin17:11
stephenfin:D17:12
stephenfinnuma-aware-vswitches has me plenty busy :)17:12
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hegemoOnin virsh xml you have <driver queues='n'>17:14
hegemoOnfor virtio-scsi17:14
hegemoOni cannot see a way to define n in nova17:15
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Fix and update compute schedulers config guide  https://review.openstack.org/54401017:16
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: Move db MAX constants to own file  https://review.openstack.org/54346917:19
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Remove the deprecated scheduler_driver_task_period option  https://review.openstack.org/53141317:21
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Clarify the help text for [scheduler]periodic_task_interval  https://review.openstack.org/54401517:21
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stephenfinmriedem: Should I have +Wd this, given that you've a -2 on the following patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539738/17:24
stephenfinI can rebase and take it out of the gate if not17:25
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mriedemit's a bug fix17:25
mriedemso i don't think so17:25
stephenfinPhew. Okidok17:25
mriedemi mean, it's not a problem17:25
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Remove warning in feature support matrix page  https://review.openstack.org/54401717:27
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Check for leaked server resource allocations in post_test_hook  https://review.openstack.org/53851017:30
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openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed openstack/python-novaclient stable/ocata: Zuul: Remove project name  https://review.openstack.org/54401817:31
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova stable/pike: Query all cells for service version in _validate_bdm  https://review.openstack.org/54103617:32
openstackgerritEric Berglund proposed openstack/nova master: Use correct arguments in task inits  https://review.openstack.org/54357117:33
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mriedemlyarwood: dansmith: bauzas: so before i request the next pike release, do i have to bump the minor version to 16.1.0 for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528330/ because it's a schema migration; i will forever remember the red hat product team lashing i got for *not* doing something like that back in newton17:34
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dansmithum17:35
dansmithokay17:35
dansmithbump the minor _to_ what?17:36
mriedem16.0.4 -> 16.1.017:36
dansmithoh I see17:36
mriedemi would normally just do 16.0.517:36
mriedembut caught hell for doing that once17:36
dansmithI don't think I know anything about that17:36
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mriedemalright 16.1.0 it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/544020/17:40
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lyarwoodmriedem: 16.1.0 is fine by me, this is still an optional schema migration until queens anyway right so anyone not running migrations after updating nova during stable/pike will pick it up when they upgrade to queens.18:29
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lyarwoodmriedem: FWIW with TripleO/RDO I can't see us ever running schema migrations with each minor update (16.0.4 to 16.1.0 etc)18:31
dansmithlyarwood: apparently a minor version change kicks the "do the db sync" flag on18:31
lyarwooddansmith: not in any of our tooling18:32
lyarwooddansmith: just the poor ops guy who notices the change18:32
dansmithlyarwood: supposedly bauzas beat up mriedem about it last time on that basis18:32
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lyarwoodowalsh: ^ re minor updates on TripleO, we don't run schema migrations at all right?18:34
dansmithif not then bauzas should pay for mriedem's therapist bills18:35
lyarwooddansmith: I can only assume his point was that we should still highlight to ops etc that the update contains a schema migration by bumping the minor release or something18:35
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owalshlyarwood: correct, just restart services18:39
lyarwoodowalsh: cool thanks18:40
dansmithdeath match round 2, dublin18:40
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mriedemfork in the kidneys, check18:53
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Replace Chinese quotes to English quotes  https://review.openstack.org/54334919:55
dansmithefried: jaypipes: seen the question on this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540111/319:56
dansmithI was about to reply, but then realized I was misunderstanding his concern and I think it's probably valid19:56
dansmithhoping that there's some detail of how you see that working that wouldn't actually break it19:57
efrieddansmith: It's been on my list to look at, but was rapidly getting buried.  Thanks for bringing it back to the top.  Looking....19:57
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mriedembeen wondering the same type of thing with traits,19:58
mriedemthe ironic driver will blow away any traits that aren't on the ironic node19:59
mriedemrather than try to merge the19:59
mriedem*them19:59
dansmithwell, there needs to be some amount of that I think,19:59
dansmithalthough we can't blow them all away in this case I think19:59
dansmithwas hoping there was some "only blows away at the given level" detail or something19:59
efriedmriedem: I remember that being discussed at length (for ironic traits), and the conclusion in that case was that the ironic inspector was the Source Of Truth, so it was kosher to blow away anything that crept in from elsewhere.20:00
mriedemidk, it seems quite limiting20:00
dansmithefried: it is for sure until the compute service starts needing to do some too, like for capabilities20:00
mriedemif we have an external system to model resources that other services outside of nova can interact with, it seems wrong to completely trample them20:00
dansmithin that case compute might be able to do its own merging,20:00
dansmithbut for this inventory thing, nic bandwidth is probably a good example20:01
mriedemdansmith: yeah that's what i had to do in my poc patch for the capabilities thing20:01
dansmithyeah20:01
efriedSo I agree that we don't want to make it a rule that virt blows away children it doesn't recognize.20:01
dansmithso maybe for this we could get the inventory from the vif modeling somehow?20:01
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mriedemtrying to balance the stance we've had in the past against things like metrics providers in-tree saying that's all best served outside of nova,20:01
efriedBut the design (and imple) is flexible enough that we don't need to make that rule at this level.20:01
efrieds/impl/implementation/20:02
mriedemand now we appear to have something that's outside of nova for external services, but we're saying we'll overwrite what they do20:02
efriedvay20:02
efried(Sorry, that was /me frustrated at own inability to spell, twice)20:02
efriedOkay, I get the concern.20:02
dansmithefried: so you're saying I can have a child of compute node and the update_tree() won't blow those away, just inveentory for the level I'm updating, yeah?20:02
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Invalid query parameter could lead to HTTP 500  https://review.openstack.org/53916420:02
efrieddansmith: We'll make placement look *exactly* like whatever comes out the other side of update_provider_tree.20:03
efriedBut I still think that's okay.20:03
dansmithefried: not if that means we blow away stuff we didn't return.. so now I'm confused20:04
efriedBecause 1) virt gets to be the (primary) source of truth for the provider tree rooted at the compute node.20:04
efriedAnd 2) virt kinda needs to know whether there's some other entity "out there" that's allowed to mess with some level of its tree.20:04
dansmithwell, that's what I'm saying,20:04
efriedIf it knows that, then it can preserve those pieces of the tree unchanged.20:04
dansmithif we go that route,20:04
efriedBecause it receives them as part of the tree it gets on input.20:05
dansmiththen we need to have the virt drvier capable of collecting external things we support, like bandwidth on a nic20:05
efriednononono20:05
dansmithoh,20:05
efriedIt doesn't need to be able to collect them, cause we already gave it to... yeah.20:05
dansmithyou're saying ProviderTree already has the child things,20:05
efriedyes, exactly.20:05
dansmiththat's the confusion though:20:05
efriedIt has the whole picture as Placement knows about it right now.20:05
efried...at least the picture that's rooted at the compute host RP.20:05
dansmithdoes ProviderTree.update(<not including things that were in the child>) blow those away? or are you saying the virt driver needs to look and include those things in its update?20:06
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efriedProviderTree.update_[thingy](rp_uuid) for thingy in (inventory, traits, aggregates) will replace thingy for just the RP indicated by rp_uuid.20:07
efriedE.g. if you replace inventory via that method, but not traits, then traits stay whatever they were before.20:07
efriedAlso, those update_* methods don't muck with children.20:08
dansmithyeah but that's not the question20:08
dansmithokay, _that_ is the quesation20:08
dansmithwhether update() touches the children20:08
dansmithum20:08
dansmith"affects the children"20:08
efriedTo muck with hierarchy, you have to ProviderTree.remove(), .new_root(), .new_child()...20:08
efriedThere is no update().20:08
dansmithI know, I'm saving letters20:08
dansmithI think that's his question20:08
dansmithso I had assumed it would only affect the level you're on, and was replying,20:08
dansmithbut then re-read the bit of your text he's taking exception to and wasn't sure20:09
dansmithso I think you just need to tighten that up a smidge20:09
efriedOkay.  That's a true statement ("...only affects the level you're on").  *except* that if you .remove(rp), you also remove all of rp's descendants.  That's what the sentence is saying.20:09
dansmithsure20:09
dansmithand,20:09
dansmithI was going to say that if the compute node thinks it needs to remove its provider, then it _should_ affect the external thing that still thinks it is reporting resources for that provider20:10
dansmithi.e. compute is authoritative for the existence of itself20:10
efriedright.20:10
efriedIt'll be a possibly-not-enforced-but-highly-recommended rule that these entities that share control of a tree never share control of a single RP within that tree.20:11
efriedthat way lies madness.20:11
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dansmithnot sure how you would enforce tat, but agree, that should be the assumption20:11
dansmith*that20:11
mriedemstephenfin: still around?20:11
efriedOkay, I'll post an edit.  Thanks for the discussion dansmith, mriedem20:12
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Cleanup the manage-volumes admin doc  https://review.openstack.org/54406620:21
jaypipesefried, dansmith, mriedem: just finished reading back... yes, agree that the spec could use some clarity/language around the update_provider_tree() method implementations not calling ProviderTree.remove() for nodes in the tree that it doesn't manage.20:25
dansmithaye20:25
efriedRoger wilco.20:25
jaypipesefried: I still don't understand this from tetsuro though: "Note that at least libvirt driver today removes CUSTOM_RCs which users set manually via placement API for a compute host when the periodic updating task happens."20:26
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Cleanup the manage-volumes admin doc  https://review.openstack.org/54406620:26
efriedjaypipes: I think he's saying libvirt removes *inventory* in custom RCs it didn't create itself.20:26
efriedI don't think we're talking about removing the actual resource classes from placement.20:27
jaypipesefried: is he just saying that if an operator manually calls POST /resource_providers/{cn_uuid}/inventories and adds a CUSTOM_XXX resource class, that it will be removed by the libvirt virt driver's get_inventory() method?20:27
efriedI think so, yes.20:27
jaypipesefried: gotcha. ok. and yes, that is definitely by design...20:27
efriedyup.20:27
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mriedemthat is eventually due to this check? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/client/report.py#L83120:28
jaypipesefried: since clearly the virt driver owns the resources on the compute node. but it's worth saying that update_provider_tree() implementations will *not* remove a *node* from the tree of providers if it doesn't know about the node.20:28
jaypipesmriedem: yea20:28
jaypipesmriedem: oh, no...20:28
efriedThat's just an optimization that'll short-circuit if nothing has changed.20:29
jaypipesmriedem: that check is seeing if what we got from get_inventory() is the same as what is cached in the reportclient's provider tree.20:29
jaypipeswhat efried said.20:29
mriedembut if the driver reports some inventory change, for VCPU, MEMORY_MB and DISK_GB,20:29
mriedemand some external service had set some CUSTOM_FOO inventory,20:30
mriedemthat's the code that's going to blast it away right?20:30
jaypipesmriedem: that conditional will be true if the operator set some CUSTOM_XXX resource class inventory and libvirt doesn't report that resource class.20:30
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jaypipesmriedem: it's just that inv_data is always exactly and only what the virt driver sets it to.20:30
mriedemyeah ok20:30
jaypipesmriedem: and that will overwrite anything the operator manually set.20:31
mriedemyup20:31
jaypipesmriedem: right, but again, that's get_inventory(). the update_provider_tree() method will blow away inventory for the specific (root) compute node provider and set it to whatever it thinks it should be. but it won't delete child nodes it doesn't manage. so if the operator (or external agent) set inventory for, say, NET_EFRESS_BYTES_PER_SECOND on a child provider node, the update_provider_tree() method won't delete that node and its inventory.20:32
jaypipesEGRESS...20:33
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mriedemEFRIED_BYTES20:33
mriedemjaypipes: got it20:33
jaypipesmriedem: but if an operator manually set the VCPU inventory on the compute node resource provider to something, the virt driver absolutely will overwrite that inventory to what it thinks is correct.20:34
jaypipesmriedem: ok, sorry for babbling20:34
mriedemyup makes sense20:34
efriedjaypipes: tbc, we have no way (other than code reviews) to enforce that update_provider_tree doesn't muck with child nodes it doesn't manage.20:35
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mriedemfunctional tests?20:36
jaypipesefried: correct.20:36
efriedmriedem: Functional tests that would have to know something about the expected structure of the tree for the individual virt driver.20:36
efriedstructure & management20:36
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jaypipesefried: we can't programmatically determine resource ownership and policy for the various virt drivers and potential external agents ahead of time. all we can do is docstring the heck out of update_provider_tree() and explain the ramifications of calling ProviderTree.remove().20:38
efriedBut yeah.  That's my point.  Whoever writes & reviews that test, and the code it operates on, has to know which bits are managed by virt and which by external agents.20:38
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efriedjaypipes: ++  I need to add words to the docstring for this.20:38
efriedI think there are words there, but they don't really talk about the implications, just about the effects.20:39
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jaypipesefried: for instance, the PowerVM virt driver may just as well WANT to call ProviderTree.remove() on child nodes if the PowerVM virt driver is fully managing things like NICs and disk subsystems, etc..20:39
jaypipesjust no way to know ahead of time.20:39
efriedexactly so.20:40
jaypipesefried: and, furthermore, the virt driver's update_provider_tree() method is pretty much exactly what I'd like us to propose to external agents and systems like Cinder/Neutron to use as their "interface" into the resource provider modeling of Placement's API.20:41
efried++20:41
openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed openstack/nova master: Include PCRE headers in bindep manifest  https://review.openstack.org/54407120:42
fungijust ran across that ^ due to https://ask.openstack.org/question/11246720:42
jaypipesedleafe: unless they're being blocked as spam, I don't think the email notifications on your blog comments are working :(20:43
edleafejaypipes: arrrrggghh20:50
edleaferecent update must have changed the settings20:50
edleafelemme investigate20:50
jaypipessean-k-mooney: so...20:53
jaypipessean-k-mooney: are you or are you not in support of this spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533077/3/specs/rocky/approved/libvirt-qemu-numa-support.rst20:54
openstackgerritmelissaml proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Replace Chinese quotes to English quotes  https://review.openstack.org/54407620:56
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-novaclient stable/ocata: Zuul: Remove project name  https://review.openstack.org/54401820:57
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mriedemfungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/542340/20:58
fungimriedem: excellent! i'll abandon mine. thanks21:00
openstackgerritNicolas Bock proposed openstack/nova master: install-guide: Make formatting of console consistent  https://review.openstack.org/54408121:02
dansmithefried: maybe you can answer this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540447/321:03
dansmithor jaypipes ^21:04
efriedon it21:04
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edleafejaypipes: should be working now. LMK if you don't get emails for future comments21:05
efrieddansmith: Done.21:06
dansmithefried: replied, thanks21:08
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Update Queens NRP spec to reflect reality  https://review.openstack.org/54408621:09
efriedmriedem, jaypipes, dansmith: There's that edit we talked about yesterday ^21:09
efriededleafe: ^21:10
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jaypipesefried: cool, thanks21:12
efriedjaypipes: In case you didn't read that backscroll (link in the commit message of ^) the plan is to propose a more or less new Rocky spec to talk about NRP-in-GET-alloc-cands stuff, rather than "reproposing" the NRP spec.21:13
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mriedemi would recommend not reading the backscroll...21:14
efriedBasically, the Q one lays the NRP groundwork, and the stuff coming off of that spiders in multiple directions - update_provider_tree, NRP-in-alloc-cands, wtf we're going to do about NUMA, etc. - each of which ought to have its own spec.21:14
mriedembut if you do, your reward is some nice simpsons clip21:14
jaypipesefried: ack21:16
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add admin guide doc on volume multiattach support  https://review.openstack.org/54409021:17
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova-specs master: Add generation support in aggregate association  https://review.openstack.org/54044721:17
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edleafeefried: will review shortly21:19
efriedd'oh, I forgot to tag the commit message with the bp.  Editing...21:20
openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Update Queens NRP spec to reflect reality  https://review.openstack.org/54408621:20
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efrieddone ^21:20
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Clarify old microversion behavior  https://review.openstack.org/54409221:21
efrieddansmith: There's that followup ^21:22
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dansmithefried: I sent it to its maker, thanks21:24
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openstackgerritNicolas Bock proposed openstack/nova master: install-guide: Wrap long console command  https://review.openstack.org/54409321:29
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: doc: merge numa.rst to cpu-topologies.rst  https://review.openstack.org/54058521:30
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Update Queens NRP spec to reflect reality  https://review.openstack.org/54408621:38
mriedemefried: lgtm, thanks21:39
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: install-guide: Make formatting of console consistent  https://review.openstack.org/54408121:42
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova-specs master: Clarify old microversion behavior  https://review.openstack.org/54409221:43
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mriedemdansmith: easy peasy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543571/21:45
mriedemlikely RC2 fodder21:45
dansmithwhoopsie21:47
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/queens: Bindep does not catch missing libpcre3-dev on Ubuntu  https://review.openstack.org/54410821:54
mriedemesberglu: want to post a backport to queens for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543571/ ?21:54
openstackgerritEric Berglund proposed openstack/nova stable/queens: Use correct arguments in task inits  https://review.openstack.org/54410921:54
mriedemwith the -x option on git cherry-pick please21:54
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Update Provider Tree  https://review.openstack.org/54011122:03
efrieddansmith, mriedem, jaypipes, edmondsw, edleafe: ^22:03
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/queens: Use correct arguments in task inits  https://review.openstack.org/54410922:05
mriedemesberglu: like that ^22:05
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esberglumriedem: Was one command slower :)22:06
esbergluI just used the gerrit UI, noted for the future22:06
mriedemcherry picking from gerrit UI doesn't give you the -x thing until the change is merged22:06
mriedemso you have to resort to the CLI22:06
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melwittmriedem: about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539003, we (and everyone) need that, else we have the same exposure from CVE-2017-16239 if a "bad rebuild" is attempted twice22:16
melwittmriedem: amoralej|off was asking in #rdo earlier today, which novaclient version should be used in u-c? he said he saw this change with a -2 on it and wanted to know if 9.1.1 is going to be the official version for queens22:22
melwitthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/53807022:22
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mlavallemelwitt: hi. I am starting to put together the PTG agenda for the Neutron team. We have some topics that I think we should discuss with the Nova team. Can we have a cross team session? Maybe Thursday afternoon?22:40
melwittmlavalle: yes, we have some topics we need to discuss with you all too (L145 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-rocky). I think thursday afternoon should probably work22:43
mlavallemelwitt: can I add to that section of your etherpad the items I have in my radar screen? I'll ping you again tomorrow afternoon, once you've had a chance to look at them22:46
melwittmlavalle: sure, please do22:46
mlavallemelwitt: :-)22:46
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mriedemmelwitt: yes on novaclient because 10.0.0 breaks horizon in queens22:55
mriedemand openstackclient22:55
melwittokay, cool. thanks22:56
mriedemmelwitt: ok for https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I3399a66fe9b1297cd6b0dca440145393ceaef41f - half the stable core team is from red hat so you'll have to raise the alarm there22:57
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mriedemor just ping mtreinish22:58
mriedemhe loves stable22:58
melwittokay, will do. thanks for the heads up22:59
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Update Queens NRP spec to reflect reality  https://review.openstack.org/54408623:03
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Check for leaked server resource allocations in post_test_hook  https://review.openstack.org/53851023:08
mtreinishmriedem: Need me to look at some backports?23:08
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mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/I3399a66fe9b1297cd6b0dca440145393ceaef41f23:09
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mtreinishmriedem: when does ocata enter phase 3?23:12
mriedemLTS baby23:12
mriedemmtreinish: feb 26 i guess? https://releases.openstack.org/23:13
mriedemthis is related to a cve23:13
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Use correct arguments in task inits  https://review.openstack.org/54357123:17
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openstackgerritNicolas Bock proposed openstack/nova master: install-guide: Wrap long console command  https://review.openstack.org/54409323:22
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Ensure resource classes correctly  https://review.openstack.org/53973823:25
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openstackgerritNicolas Bock proposed openstack/nova stable/pike: Fix SUSE Install Guide: Placement port  https://review.openstack.org/54413123:30
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Avoid inventory DELETE API (no conflict detection)  https://review.openstack.org/53971223:41
efriedjaypipes: Yet another manual rebase +2 please ^23:41
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