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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: XenAPI: Pass expected return codes to resize2fs https://review.openstack.org/568318 | 00:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox in test_xenapi.py (3) https://review.openstack.org/564645 | 00:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Return nested providers in get_by_request https://review.openstack.org/567113 | 01:05 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Add traits check in nested provider candidates https://review.openstack.org/567150 | 01:05 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Support nested alloc cands with sharing providers https://review.openstack.org/567508 | 01:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: add lower-constraints job https://review.openstack.org/555961 | 01:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Return all resources in provider_summaries https://review.openstack.org/558045 | 01:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox in nova/tests/unit/virt/xenapi/stubs.py https://review.openstack.org/568412 | 02:20 |
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openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Return all nested providers in tree https://review.openstack.org/559480 | 02:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova master: Use ThreadPoolExecutor for max_concurrent_live_migrations https://review.openstack.org/563505 | 03:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Return all resources in provider_summaries https://review.openstack.org/558045 | 04:37 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Return all nested providers in tree https://review.openstack.org/559480 | 04:37 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Support nested allocation candidates in placement https://review.openstack.org/565487 | 04:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Naichuan Sun proposed openstack/nova master: XenAPI: update the document related to vdi streaming https://review.openstack.org/568444 | 05:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Added ability to configure default architecture for ImagePropertiesFilter https://review.openstack.org/566425 | 05:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova stable/queens: Update os_compute_api:os-flavor-extra-specs:index docs for 2.47 https://review.openstack.org/563253 | 05:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Add tests for alloc_cands with member_of https://review.openstack.org/561399 | 05:56 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Fix member_of with sharing providers https://review.openstack.org/561400 | 05:56 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Expand member_of functional test cases https://review.openstack.org/566011 | 05:56 |
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openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add additional information for z/VM spec. https://review.openstack.org/562154 | 06:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox in test_compute_api.py (4) https://review.openstack.org/568462 | 06:42 |
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openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: place emulator threads on CONF.cpu_shared_set https://review.openstack.org/510897 | 07:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Martin Midolesov proposed openstack/nova master: vmware:add support for the hw_video_ram image property https://review.openstack.org/564193 | 07:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Yikun Jiang (Kero) proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Complex (Anti)-Affinity Policies https://review.openstack.org/546925 | 08:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova master: Use ThreadPoolExecutor for max_concurrent_live_migrations https://review.openstack.org/563505 | 08:23 |
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openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Remove support for /os-fixed-ips REST API https://review.openstack.org/568516 | 08:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Naichuan Sun proposed openstack/nova master: xenapi(N-R-P):Get vgpu info from `allocations` https://review.openstack.org/521717 | 08:45 |
openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Simplify instance name generation https://review.openstack.org/516573 | 08:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Naichuan Sun proposed openstack/nova master: xenapi(N-R-P): Add API to support compute node resource provider update and create https://review.openstack.org/521041 | 08:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Naichuan Sun proposed openstack/nova master: xenapi(N-R-P): support compute node resource provider update https://review.openstack.org/521041 | 08:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Remove unnecessary 'to_primitive' call https://review.openstack.org/568532 | 09:03 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: libvirt: Report the virtual size of RAW disks https://review.openstack.org/567899 | 09:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Support nested alloc cands with sharing providers https://review.openstack.org/567508 | 09:15 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Return all resources in provider_summaries https://review.openstack.org/558045 | 09:15 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Return all nested providers in tree https://review.openstack.org/559480 | 09:15 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Add microversion for nested allocation candidate https://review.openstack.org/565487 | 09:15 |
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stephenfin | bauzas: You back from your holidays yet? If so, fancy sinking your teeth into this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541290/ | 09:17 |
openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova master: WIP abort live migration in queue. https://review.openstack.org/568542 | 09:19 |
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bauzas | stephenfin: I do, but on slides mode | 09:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: Use nova.db.api directly https://review.openstack.org/543262 | 10:13 |
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jmccarthy | lyarwood: Hiya, you about ? Still seeing a weird issue with trying to attach encrypted volume, I think it may be to do with my qemu-kvm or libvirt packages .. https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/8GgwprosZuqgV2HRqUwJ8A - similar to this bug here ? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1447297 | 10:30 |
openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1447297 in libvirt "Unable to use LUKS passphrase that is exactly 16 bytes long" [Unspecified,Closed: errata] - Assigned to pkrempa | 10:30 |
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jmccarthy | lyarwood: Typo .. meant this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1418575 | 10:31 |
openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1418575 in qemu-kvm-rhev "Forward port of downstream-only QMP commands is incorrect" [Unspecified,Closed: errata] - Assigned to armbru | 10:31 |
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lyarwood | jmccarthy: hey | 10:45 |
lyarwood | jmccarthy: yeah that could be it, does it match the QEMU version you have installed? | 10:46 |
lyarwood | jmccarthy: I assume you have a newer version of libvirt that's trying to use that command but your version of QEMU doesn't have that command available? | 10:47 |
jmccarthy | lyarwood: Let me have another look here, the qemu-kvm rpm that's installed ? | 10:47 |
lyarwood | jmccarthy: yeah correct | 10:47 |
lyarwood | jmccarthy: or qemu-kvm-rhev if you're using RHEL | 10:48 |
jmccarthy | lyarwood: Hmm ok, this isn't the newest .. qemu-kvm-2.9.0-8.el7.x86_64 but virsh --version reports 3.9.0 ? | 10:49 |
lyarwood | jmccarthy: virsh is reporting the libvirt version | 10:49 |
lyarwood | jmccarthy: is this a RHEL env? | 10:49 |
lyarwood | jmccarthy: you really should be using qemu-kvm-rhev if possible | 10:49 |
jmccarthy | lyarwood: No :/ oracle linux | 10:49 |
lyarwood | jmccarthy: kk, they should have a clone of qemu-kvm-rhev | 10:50 |
lyarwood | kashyap: ^ re https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1418575 - I assume that wasn't mirrored into qemu-kvm downtream right? | 10:50 |
openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1418575 in qemu-kvm-rhev "Forward port of downstream-only QMP commands is incorrect" [Unspecified,Closed: errata] - Assigned to armbru | 10:50 |
jmccarthy | lyarwood: Yea I mean the oraclelinux images that kolla builds doesn't have this issue - it must be to do with this rpm then | 10:51 |
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jmccarthy | lyarwood: I'll have another look at my env and see if I can try this with different/newer rpm | 10:52 |
jmccarthy | lyarwood: Thanks ! | 10:53 |
lyarwood | jmccarthy: np :) | 10:54 |
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kashyap | lyarwood: Hi there | 11:04 |
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kashyap | Actually, I'm shuffling b/n kitchen and laptop; I'll finish the lunch business and get to it | 11:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: placement: Fix HTTP error generation https://review.openstack.org/568567 | 11:51 |
kashyap | lyarwood: That's true; that change is only for 'qemu-kvm-rhev' | 11:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Support nested alloc cands with sharing providers https://review.openstack.org/567508 | 12:27 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Return all resources in provider_summaries https://review.openstack.org/558045 | 12:27 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Return all nested providers in tree https://review.openstack.org/559480 | 12:27 |
openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova master: Add microversion for nested allocation candidate https://review.openstack.org/565487 | 12:27 |
openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/nova stable/queens: Added ability to configure default architecture for ImagePropertiesFilter https://review.openstack.org/568575 | 12:28 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/ocata: libvirt: Report the virtual size of RAW disks https://review.openstack.org/568382 | 12:31 |
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mriedem | Kevin_Zheng: can you check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/566143/ again? | 12:34 |
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Kevin_Zheng | mriedem: sure, thanks for the review | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/osc-placement master: CLI for traits (v1.6) https://review.openstack.org/514643 | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Resource class set (v1.7) https://review.openstack.org/514644 | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Usages per project and user (v1.8, v1.9) https://review.openstack.org/514646 | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/osc-placement master: CLI allocation candidates (v1.10) https://review.openstack.org/514647 | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/osc-placement master: New dict format of allocations (v1.11, v1.12) https://review.openstack.org/542819 | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Transactionally update allocations (v1.13) https://review.openstack.org/546674 | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Add nested resource providers (v1.14) https://review.openstack.org/546675 | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Limit allocation candidates (v1.15, v1.16) https://review.openstack.org/548043 | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Allocation candidates parameter: required (v1.17) https://review.openstack.org/548326 | 12:36 |
Kevin_Zheng | mriedem: I’m going home now so I will check it 1 hour latter :) | 12:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Add INVENTORY_INUSE to DELETE /rp/{u}/inventories https://review.openstack.org/568578 | 12:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Update auth_url in install docs https://review.openstack.org/568002 | 13:06 |
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gibi | melwitt, efried: do we have plans about the nova onboarding session on the summit? | 13:19 |
efried | gibi: "Be in the room" was the extent of my plan thus far. | 13:22 |
gibi | efried: cool, I can do that :) | 13:22 |
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openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: place emulator threads on CONF.compute.cpu_shared_set https://review.openstack.org/510897 | 13:35 |
openstackgerrit | Vladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova master: Placement: allow to set reserved value equal to total for inventory https://review.openstack.org/564838 | 13:35 |
openstackgerrit | Vladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova master: ironic: Report resources as reserved when needed https://review.openstack.org/517921 | 13:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Vladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova master: Placement: allow to set reserved value equal to total for inventory https://review.openstack.org/564838 | 13:38 |
openstackgerrit | Vladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova master: Ironic: report 0 for vcpus/memory_mb/disk_gb resources https://review.openstack.org/565841 | 13:38 |
openstackgerrit | Vladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova master: ironic: Report resources as reserved when needed https://review.openstack.org/517921 | 13:38 |
openstackgerrit | Vladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova master: Ironic: report 0 for vcpus/memory_mb/disk_gb resources https://review.openstack.org/565841 | 13:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/osc-placement master: CLI for traits (v1.6) https://review.openstack.org/514643 | 13:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Move image conversion to privsep. https://review.openstack.org/554437 | 14:09 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: We don't need utils.trycmd any more. https://review.openstack.org/554439 | 14:09 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: We no longer need rootwrap. https://review.openstack.org/554438 | 14:09 |
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bauzas | FWIW, /me works on a one-slide about explaining Placement API :) | 14:11 |
bauzas | efried: jaypipes: cdent: edleafe: ^ ;) | 14:11 |
efried | bauzas: FYI, edleafe and I have... uhh... more than one slide explaining the Placement API. | 14:12 |
edleafe | bauzas: efried does this in 30 slides :) | 14:12 |
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efried | bauzas: For what audience? | 14:13 |
bauzas | edleafe: efried: sure but it's for https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/20802/call-it-real-virtual-gpus-in-nova | 14:13 |
bauzas | I started my slides with https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HNXbT1awinXVWVMfB1LqGAALhzYS9HNoRln24zcjNxc/edit#slide=id.g3a91510c35_0_0 | 14:13 |
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bauzas | edleafe: efried: I think I'll just tell about inventories and allocations ;) | 14:17 |
bauzas | and traits | 14:18 |
bauzas | oh, and FWIW, maybe we should update https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/architecture.html | 14:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Refactor _build_device_metadata https://review.openstack.org/533804 | 14:31 |
openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Consider hostdev devices when building metadata https://review.openstack.org/533805 | 14:31 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: what benefit would having a trait called "nvidia" give us? | 14:33 |
jaypipes | give the user that is.. | 14:33 |
jaypipes | or M60, even. | 14:33 |
jaypipes | dansmith: for the record we already have lots of GPU-specific traits around CUDA, OpenCL, DirectX API versions, etc. | 14:34 |
jaypipes | dansmith: I'm really trying hard not to have plain vendor tags leaked out to the user. | 14:34 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: my image doesn't have AMD drivers in it and can't work with it, so.. I kinda need to be sure to land on a host with an nvidia card | 14:38 |
dansmith | I think CUDA implies nvidia, so if we have tags for that, then that's cool, | 14:38 |
dansmith | but I don't think even just API versions gives me enough to select what I want | 14:39 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: what *would* be enough to select what you want? (other than "nvidia" and "m60", since those are vendor-specific and will essentially cause our API to have vendor-lockin) | 14:40 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: what would be enough, other than the things I need? I dunno :) | 14:41 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: I thought you were against vendor lockin? :) | 14:42 |
dansmith | how is having CUDA any different than nvidia? | 14:42 |
dansmith | jaypipes: by asking the question like that, you're unfairly trying to put me in a place to agree with your side of the argument | 14:42 |
jaypipes | dansmith: well, yeah... that's how I roll brother :) | 14:43 |
dansmith | how is it different than saying "my image requires vmware to run" | 14:43 |
dansmith | um, alright. | 14:43 |
jaypipes | dansmith: I'm joking with you. | 14:43 |
jaypipes | dansmith: so, I may be totally wrong (feel free to correct), but the way I understand it is this: | 14:44 |
jaypipes | CUDA is basically a programming *model* but to use it, you either use OpenCL or OpenACC frameworks. | 14:44 |
dansmith | I don't think that's how it works at all | 14:45 |
jaypipes | and considering we already have traits for opencl and other frameworks (which describe what the user needs), I am questioning a need for more traits | 14:45 |
dansmith | I could totally be wrong, of course | 14:45 |
dansmith | everyone I have heard talk about this makes it sound like they tent to target a pretty specific GPU while designing their application | 14:47 |
dansmith | not that they're not speaking a generic language to it such that it could run on a different model of the same family, but that it defeats the point of hyper-optimization | 14:47 |
Kevin_Zheng | mriedem: Hi, as for your comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568542 I added the loop and other logic because I was considering race conditions, like maybe when I check the existence of future obj in queue, it was there, but when I actually cancel it, it went to preparing or running so I might do also some cleanup | 14:48 |
jaypipes | dansmith: any chance you can put me in touch with an example user of these things? | 14:48 |
dansmith | it would be like saying "I want a PCI nic", and having only intel drivers in your image, but you get put on a box and handed a mellanox card | 14:48 |
dansmith | jaypipes: lol | 14:48 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: __str__ methods for RequestGroup, ResourceRequest https://review.openstack.org/568353 | 14:49 |
jaypipes | dansmith: I wasn't being facetious... | 14:49 |
jaypipes | dansmith: sorry | 14:49 |
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Kevin_Zheng | mriedem: the loop is because I thought if it is in “preparing” it will end up either “error” or “running” so we can cancel it when it turn to “running” or just ignore it if it turned to “error” | 14:50 |
Kevin_Zheng | mriedem: that was just my consideration, not sure it is correct | 14:50 |
dansmith | jaypipes: so you already have a cuda trait, which means you effectively already have an nvidia one, | 14:51 |
dansmith | jaypipes: what happens when I've got my image that supports m60 gpus, and then next month you add a bunch of nodes with m61s, | 14:51 |
dansmith | I start booting instances that get there and their drivers are too old to recognize and use an m61? | 14:51 |
jaypipes | dansmith: the traits indicate the version of the CUDA, OpenGL, OpenCL drivers that are supported by the vGPU type. | 14:52 |
jaypipes | dansmith: https://github.com/openstack/os-traits/blob/master/os_traits/hw/gpu/api.py | 14:53 |
dansmith | jaypipes: okay, so for cuda that might help | 14:53 |
jaypipes | dansmith: so the user would just say "hey, I wrote my app using this version of CUDA" | 14:53 |
jaypipes | dansmith: and put that trait in their image metaedata | 14:53 |
dansmith | jaypipes: what about AMD and intel? there isn't a uniform opencl api bump to indicate each one right? | 14:53 |
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dansmith | and I don't have amd drivers in my instance, but you put me there | 14:53 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: we wouldn't put you on an AMD instance if you asked for CUDA 7.1... | 14:54 |
dansmith | no, | 14:54 |
dansmith | I'm saying let's say I'm a non-cuda instance.. I'm using OpenCL, and I asked for v2.2 | 14:54 |
dansmith | I have intel drivers in my instance, but you put me on an AMD-only node that supports v2.2 | 14:54 |
jaypipes | dansmith: not sure? :) | 14:56 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: wikipedia states this... "Programs in the OpenCL language are intended to be compiled at run-time, so that OpenCL-using applications are portable between implementations for various host devices." | 14:58 |
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dansmith | um, so? | 14:58 |
dansmith | the drivers and libraries are in my instance (or not) | 14:58 |
dansmith | once again, archlinux is the best wiki on the internet: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GPGPU | 14:58 |
dansmith | see the package names you have to get installed for each type of device? | 14:59 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: yeah. | 15:00 |
dansmith | those being distro packages either bundle or download proprietary binaries for that layer | 15:00 |
jaypipes | dansmith: back to hardware-defined software it seems. :( | 15:00 |
dansmith | pretty sure the nvidia ones at least are very closely-guarded and require an account with endowments in order to download them | 15:00 |
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dansmith | also pretty sure most of these have pretty specific kernel versions that are required, | 15:02 |
dansmith | as they also utilize the kernel-side driver, fglrx, nvidia, etc | 15:02 |
jaypipes | dansmith: my fear is that we will get locked in to vendor-specific identifiers and behaviour in the user-facing API and when these vendors inevitably change directions, we'll be forced to change our APIs. | 15:02 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: I don't think we are though, because the traits are just enums.. if nothing is exposing m60 right now, then.. nothing boots that requires it | 15:03 |
dansmith | and going back to your point of trying to shame me, | 15:04 |
jaypipes | dansmith: what does m60 give you though? I can understand a potential need for traits that represent all these vendor drivers for OpenCL and CUDA, but the model name doesn't give any more information than the resolution, display heads and API library versions, right? | 15:05 |
dansmith | I don't want vendor lock-in of course, as you know, but I don't think enumerating the things that could be out there is doing that | 15:05 |
dansmith | jaypipes: of course it does | 15:05 |
dansmith | jaypipes: max resolution and display heads means nothing to me, I need cores/shaders/memory for GPGPU | 15:05 |
dansmith | jaypipes: and of course, lineage so I know if my drivers are appropriate | 15:05 |
jaypipes | but the drivers are for a version of CUDA or OpenCL, though, right? | 15:06 |
dansmith | jaypipes: if I'm an amd instance and I have a specific version of the drivers, I may be able to support a foobar99 but not a foobar128 | 15:06 |
jaypipes | you don't have drivers for M60, drivers for M61, etc, right? | 15:06 |
dansmith | I'm not sure what the appropriate level of abstraction is exactly, | 15:06 |
dansmith | maybe m60 is too fine-grained, but I think probably not because there are cards with 1, 2, 4 m60 chips, etc | 15:06 |
openstackgerrit | Vladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Allow having placement inventories with reserved value equal to total https://review.openstack.org/568613 | 15:08 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: trivial: Explain how the marker works for instance-cell mapping https://review.openstack.org/567597 | 15:12 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: ok, so I'll just point out one last word on this VGPU stuff... AWS' elastic GPUs don't mention any vendor at all (https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/elastic-gpus/). They only mention "supports OpenGL 4.3" and up to 8G of GPU memory. Now, I know it's just one data point, but it does seem they are trying not to get into the game of leaking out vendor information ... | 15:26 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: check out this in their FAQ: Q. Do I need a driver for Elastic GPUs? | 15:28 |
dansmith | jaypipes: looks like they have network-virtualized the GPUs so they can be attached anywhere, and they consume network bandwidth | 15:29 |
dansmith | they use OpenGL as their interface, | 15:29 |
dansmith | which means you're pretty far removed from the thing as a compute device, AFAIK | 15:29 |
dansmith | they also seem to focus on "graphics acceleration", which would be in line with being OpenGL-only | 15:29 |
openstackgerrit | Vladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Allow having placement inventories with reserved value equal to total https://review.openstack.org/568613 | 15:29 |
dansmith | jaypipes: ah, they say use P3 for GPGPU | 15:30 |
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dansmith | jaypipes: https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/p3/ | 15:30 |
dansmith | jaypipes: tesla v100 only | 15:30 |
dansmith | jaypipes: so, yeah, easy :) | 15:30 |
dansmith | and note they're not saying "you'll get some nvidia somethingorother" they say .. "it'll be a damned v100, alwas" | 15:32 |
jaypipes | dansmith: I see them say tesla v100. those are passthrough direct GPU devices, though, not vGPU "types", right? | 15:32 |
jaypipes | "Alternatively, you can also use the NVIDIA AMI with GPU driver and CUDA toolkit pre-installed." ... interesting. | 15:32 |
dansmith | jaypipes: yeah I dunno if it's a vGPU or them just giving you a whole card | 15:32 |
jaypipes | dansmith: it's the whole card. or 8 of them :) | 15:33 |
dansmith | doesn't have anything to do with our discussion though right? they're very specific about what you get, and thus what driver you need | 15:33 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: yes and no? :) the "elastic GPUs" are very much non-vendor-specific. The P3 instances are clearly very much "here is this specific machine configuration with 8 NVIDIA GPUs", etc. | 15:35 |
jaypipes | dansmith: but I see your point. | 15:35 |
jaypipes | dansmith: we need to support both cloudy and non-cloudy things. | 15:35 |
dansmith | jaypipes: but they're not for GPGPU, they're for graphics acceleration | 15:35 |
jaypipes | dansmith: I've just been trying my best to keep the vendor-specific stuff out of the way. | 15:36 |
dansmith | and they virtualize the OpenGL interface, so you're far removed | 15:36 |
jaypipes | dansmith: yes, I understand. | 15:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Vladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Allow having placement inventories with reserved value equal to total https://review.openstack.org/568613 | 15:38 |
dansmith | and, they achieve the vendor neutrality of the elastic gpu thing by creating their own vendor so to speak, and provide signed drivers for supported operating systems | 15:38 |
dansmith | if they didn't have that, | 15:38 |
dansmith | they'd have to have specific details about which drivers you needed to have to support all their stuff, or provide flavors to let you choose which ones, | 15:38 |
dansmith | because drivers are required one way or the other | 15:38 |
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dansmith | so unless you're going to write a driver and backend system to do that, I don't see how even the elastic gpu case alters the discussion | 15:39 |
jaypipes | dansmith: sounds like we need traits that represent the vendor software drivers, then... | 15:40 |
dansmith | or we expect that people have to do that on their own by using custom traits | 15:41 |
dansmith | which is what I said in that review, but then that generates a much less interoperable situation for everyone | 15:42 |
jaypipes | agreed.' | 15:42 |
jaypipes | dansmith: ok, thx for talking through this with me. was very useful. | 15:42 |
jaypipes | and for the record, I did not try to shame you. sorry if anything came across that way. | 15:43 |
dansmith | we also can punt the problem for a while, saying people need to use custom traits for now and see how it goes | 15:43 |
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jaypipes | ack | 15:45 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: placement: Fix HTTP error generation https://review.openstack.org/568567 | 15:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: [placement] default to accept of application/json when */* https://review.openstack.org/568630 | 16:01 |
mriedem | stephenfin: have to talked with claudiu about whether or not the hyperv driver can support https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541290/ also? | 16:08 |
stephenfin | mriedem: I have not, but HyperV's support for all things NUMA is minimal at best | 16:09 |
stephenfin | Far as I can tell, they let you define guest topologies but not anything to do with the host topology | 16:09 |
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stephenfin | So they don't do things like "restrict my instance's vCPU processes to CPUs from the same NUMA nodes as the attached PCI device". Wouldn't make sense (yet!) to do that for networks either | 16:10 |
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mriedem | stephenfin: ok, as dansmith mentioned in the spec, it would be good to call out what is lacking in hyper-v to restrict them from being able to do the new magic | 16:20 |
mriedem | stephenfin: if you haven't seen yet, lots of comments on that spec, mostly concerned about the data modeling changes being proposed | 16:20 |
dansmith | yeah, sounds like it's cool, just a sentence saying "they don't do host topo" would be good I think | 16:20 |
mriedem | i'd also like to know what's going on with bauzas' numa topology modeling in placement spec | 16:21 |
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mriedem | since this could technically depend on that and then we wouldn't need to build in more claims logic in the RT for this stuff | 16:21 |
bauzas | mriedem: I need to update my spec | 16:21 |
mriedem | like, if numa support is not even close for rocky, then i just need to know that | 16:21 |
mriedem | bauzas: you should probably read https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541290/ if you haven't already | 16:22 |
bauzas | mriedem: I'm a bit on and off given the previous week and the next one, but okay | 16:22 |
bauzas | maybe we could discuss that in Vancouver ? | 16:23 |
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cfriesen | anyone know offhand where the code is that determines how much disk to consume if the flavor specifies a size of zero? | 16:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Use placement.inventory.inuse in report client https://review.openstack.org/568639 | 16:30 |
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mriedem | bauzas: i don't think we have any related forum sessions for something like this | 16:30 |
mriedem | unless you just mean between sessions | 16:30 |
bauzas | between, yeah | 16:30 |
bauzas | anyway | 16:30 |
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bauzas | I'll look at the spec tomorrow if I can | 16:31 |
bauzas | I still have 3 free days | 16:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/queens: Don't reschedule on RequestedVRamTooHigh errors https://review.openstack.org/568642 | 16:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova stable/queens: Added ability to configure default architecture for ImagePropertiesFilter https://review.openstack.org/568575 | 17:10 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Update auth_url in install docs https://review.openstack.org/568002 | 17:10 |
mriedem | dansmith: that queens backport is ready to launch now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568363/ | 17:13 |
dansmith | right on | 17:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Add INVENTORY_INUSE to DELETE /rp/{u}/inventories https://review.openstack.org/568578 | 17:16 |
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melwitt | gibi, efried: there's not much of a plan. I'm going to put together a short slide deck similar to this cinder one from the boston summit (in case we need it) https://www.slideshare.net/JayBryant2/openstack-cinder-onboarding-education-boston-summit-2017 | 17:32 |
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melwitt | I was thinking I'll also prepare a set of logs from a gate run showing how to trace a request through the various nova services, in case anyone is interested in that | 17:33 |
melwitt | if you have any other topic ideas, it would help to have more choices available because what we usually do is poll the room and ask what topic they most like to hear about | 17:34 |
efried | melwitt: When sdague did that (walk through logs) in Boston I found it super useful. So ++ to that idea. | 17:35 |
efried | um, Boston or Austin, can't remember. | 17:36 |
melwitt | I think you're right that it was boston | 17:37 |
openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Use placement.inventory.inuse in report client https://review.openstack.org/568639 | 17:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Use placement.inventory.inuse in report client https://review.openstack.org/568639 | 18:20 |
openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Use placement.inventory.inuse in report client https://review.openstack.org/568639 | 18:20 |
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openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Propose counting quota usage from placement and API database https://review.openstack.org/509042 | 18:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add granular policy rules for resource providers inventories https://review.openstack.org/568666 | 18:37 |
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openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Propose counting quota usage from placement and API database https://review.openstack.org/509042 | 18:49 |
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efried | melwitt: Is it cheaper to get a list of instance UUIDs than whatever "instance_mappings" is? | 18:59 |
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melwitt | efried: what do you mean? instance_mappings (API database table) is the cheapest way to get a list of instance UUIDs. otherwise you have to query multiple cell databases to get lists of UUIDs to merge | 19:04 |
efried | okay, cool, that's what I was asking. | 19:04 |
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openstackgerrit | sunku ranganath proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Submitting blueprint describing usage of resource management daemon to control and use cache as a resource https://review.openstack.org/568678 | 19:27 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Implement granular policy rules for placement https://review.openstack.org/524425 | 19:32 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add granular policy rules for /resource_classes* https://review.openstack.org/565578 | 19:32 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add granular policy rules for resource providers inventories https://review.openstack.org/568666 | 19:32 |
artom | Do we do nested objects printing in debug mode? | 19:33 |
artom | So, InstancePCIRequests has a list of InstancePCIRequest | 19:34 |
artom | Logging the former at debug level... it is supposed to print out in full the latter as well? | 19:34 |
artom | Looking at https://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/blob/master/oslo_versionedobjects/base.py#L309, I don't think so | 19:35 |
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artom | Looks like it only prints the object names of the "nested" objects, right? | 19:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Zack Cornelius proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Libvirt file backed memory https://review.openstack.org/563704 | 19:38 |
dansmith | artom: that calls this for an object field: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/blob/master/oslo_versionedobjects/fields.py#L819 | 19:38 |
dansmith | artom: which tries to get some reasonable identifying information to print, | 19:38 |
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dansmith | but doesn't recurse and repr() the object inside | 19:38 |
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dansmith | just because it can get really hard to eye-parse that in a useful way, but if you see Instance(...., service=Service(123),...) then you can make sense out of that | 19:39 |
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artom | Ah, thanks for choosing the right words - "recurse and repr()" indeed | 19:39 |
artom | Yeah, the rationale makes sense | 19:39 |
artom | Except I need resursive repr in this particular case :/ | 19:40 |
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mriedem | esberglu: just to check sanity, the in-tree powervm ci isn't running some snapshot tests b/c they are on power states that the driver doesn't yet support, like test_create_image_from_paused_server and test_create_image_from_suspended_server right? | 19:51 |
esberglu | mriedem: Correct | 19:54 |
efried | mriedem: Because https://github.com/powervm/powervm-ci/blob/master/devstack/master/intree/local.conf#L100 | 19:57 |
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mriedem | esberglu: efried: what passes the disk_path into the StreamToGlance task? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543023/20/nova/virt/powervm/tasks/image.py@73 | 20:22 |
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mriedem | i thought it was the output of the last task in the flow, | 20:22 |
mriedem | which from what i can tell is UpdateTaskState | 20:22 |
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esberglu | mriedem: InstanceDiskToMgmt https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543023/20/nova/virt/powervm/tasks/storage.py@213 | 20:25 |
mriedem | but that returns a tuple | 20:25 |
mriedem | oh, | 20:26 |
mriedem | or does taskflow store the provided values in some memory cache and then put those into the next task that requires one of them by name? | 20:26 |
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esberglu | mriedem: Yes | 20:26 |
esberglu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543023/20/nova/virt/powervm/tasks/storage.py@238 | 20:26 |
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mriedem | so it's ansible | 20:27 |
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openstackgerrit | sunku ranganath proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Use resource management daemon to manage cache as a resource https://review.openstack.org/568678 | 20:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova stable/queens: libvirt: Report the virtual size of RAW disks https://review.openstack.org/568363 | 20:36 |
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mriedem | esberglu: efried: the mock of builtins.open in here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543023/ is pretty gross, | 20:48 |
mriedem | that's what mock_open is fore | 20:48 |
mriedem | *for | 20:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add retrying to requirements.txt https://review.openstack.org/568692 | 20:50 |
openstackgerrit | sunku ranganath proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Use resource management daemon to manage cache as a resource https://review.openstack.org/568678 | 20:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Remove mox in tests/unit/api/*/test_volumes.py https://review.openstack.org/564655 | 20:56 |
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mriedem | where are these ssp.capabilities even checked? | 21:04 |
mriedem | efried: esberglu: re SSPDiskAdapter.capabilities | 21:05 |
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mriedem | esberglu: questions in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549053/ | 21:12 |
mriedem | arvindn05: i think we should probably drop https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/glance-image-traits from the runways queue because it doesn't have pending changes for the main part of the series, like the rebuild stuff | 21:15 |
openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add additional information for z/VM spec. https://review.openstack.org/562154 | 21:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Implement granular policy rules for placement https://review.openstack.org/524425 | 21:27 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add granular policy rules for /resource_classes* https://review.openstack.org/565578 | 21:27 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add granular policy rules for resource providers inventories https://review.openstack.org/568666 | 21:27 |
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openstackgerrit | sunku ranganath proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Use resource management daemon to manage cache as a resource https://review.openstack.org/568678 | 21:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add granular policy rules for usages https://review.openstack.org/568706 | 21:54 |
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openstackgerrit | sunku ranganath proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Use resource management daemon to manage cache as a resource https://review.openstack.org/568678 | 22:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Debug logs for allocation_candidates filters https://review.openstack.org/568712 | 22:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Use GET.get instead of GET.getall in alloc-cands https://review.openstack.org/568713 | 22:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Zack Cornelius proposed openstack/nova master: Implement file backed memory for instances in libvirt https://review.openstack.org/567876 | 22:57 |
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