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| openstackgerrit | Dinesh Bhor proposed openstack/nova master: Virt driver: Build guest xml https://review.openstack.org/577372 | 08:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: [placement] Extract create_allocation_list https://review.openstack.org/577200 | 09:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: [placement] Add /reshaper handler for POST https://review.openstack.org/576927 | 09:13 |
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| deepak_mourya | @cdent hi, in this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1770636 | 09:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1770636 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "placement API not translating CannotDeleteParentResourceProvider to 409 Conflict" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Deepak Mourya (mourya007) | 09:15 |
| deepak_mourya | one doubt is that where i can place our new test for this because i couldn't find file related here https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/master/nova/tests/unit/api/openstack/placement/handlers. | 09:15 |
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| cdent | morning deepak_mourya, yeah, saw your latest comment there, but haven't had a chance to respond. Instead of a unit test, I'd say you want a gabbi test, they are found in nova/tests/functional/api/openstack/placement/gabbits | 09:16 |
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| cdent | if you have some questions on how that works, after taking a look, find me in #openstack-placement | 09:16 |
| cdent | or if you like, we could work on it together: after you've done what you think is the fix I could add the gabbi test to the same commit | 09:16 |
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| deepak_mourya | ok , let me take a try first i guess for gabbit one thenafter we can | 09:18 |
| deepak_mourya | :) | 09:18 |
| cdent | cool, I should be around for the next few hours | 09:19 |
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| cdent | dansmith, mriedem, efried_pto: wanted to draw your attention to this bug if you hadn't already seen it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1777591 | 09:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1777591 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "‘limit’ in allocation_candidates where sometimes make fore_hosts invalid" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to xulei (605423512-j) | 09:39 |
| cdent | it's a bit unclear but I think there may be some interesting issues to extract from it | 09:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yang Youseok proposed openstack/nova master: Add data section parameters for mkfs.xfs command https://review.openstack.org/577363 | 09:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: Not reraise DiskNotFound if instance is resized https://review.openstack.org/571410 | 10:30 |
| lyarwood | mdbooth: just added you to ^ re https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1774249 | 10:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1774249 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "update_available_resource will raise DiskNotFound after resize but before confirm" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Lee Yarwood (lyarwood) | 10:30 |
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| mdbooth | lyarwood: ack. | 10:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova master: Fix bug to filter_scheduler https://review.openstack.org/571998 | 12:06 |
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| jaypipes | tianhui: ^ rebased your patches. they were based on an old commit which was why they were not merging. | 12:07 |
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| cdent | melwitt, or anyone else: are we happy for people to start putting specs in a stein directory yet? | 13:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Heal allocations with incomplete consumer information https://review.openstack.org/574488 | 13:27 |
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| fried_rice | cdent: Looked at the bug. Seems pretty clear to me. Should we avoid sending limit down when force_hosts is set? | 13:30 |
| cdent | that seems wrong to me | 13:31 |
| cdent | or rather: wasteful | 13:31 |
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| cdent | we know which hosts we want in the response... | 13:32 |
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| fried_rice | Alternative would be implementing a "limit allocation candidates to this list of (root?) providers" | 13:32 |
| fried_rice | Actually... | 13:32 |
| fried_rice | If we know the specific host, and nested isn't in play, we could construct an allocation request without ever talking to allocation_candidates. | 13:32 |
| fried_rice | With nested and/or shared, it's a bit harder, cause now we're duplicating logic. | 13:33 |
| fried_rice | And btw, I'm saying we don't bother checking capacity; if the request bounces, it bounces. | 13:33 |
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| cdent | the point of talking to placement at all in this context, is to make sure there is capacity, so we shouldn't skip that part | 13:35 |
| cdent | sorry there should be a "?|" on the end of that | 13:35 |
| * cdent sighs | 13:35 | |
| cdent | first day with the new keyboard | 13:35 |
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| fried_rice | cdent: The primary goal of talking to placement in this context is to get an allocation. If we already know which host we want to land on and what resources we want, we can just ask for that allocation. We don't need "candidates". If there's not capacity, we'll bounce (hopefully with an error code that lets us know that we bounced due to exceeded capacity as opposed to some other error). | 13:43 |
| cdent | Hmm. I would have assumed we would want to bounce "sooner" | 13:44 |
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| fried_rice | cdent: I haven't looked lately, but isn't the scheduler flow very tightly | 13:45 |
| fried_rice | GET /a_c | 13:45 |
| fried_rice | pick a candidate | 13:45 |
| fried_rice | PUT /allocations/{u} | 13:45 |
| fried_rice | ? | 13:45 |
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| fried_rice | I'm saying if we know the host, we could in simple cases skip those first two steps. Because we don't need to *ask* about candidates - we can figure it out ourselves. | 13:46 |
| cdent | fried_rice: no, getting null candidats back _if_ we had a way to say "this host only" | 13:46 |
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| fried_rice | Right, I get that, I'm brainstorming an alternative to a new microversion with yet another query param. | 13:47 |
| cdent | right, and I'm saying, if (big if) we felt like adding the capability, we could avoid making the spawn call, which I assume is expensive | 13:47 |
| cdent | microversions are cheap | 13:48 |
| fried_rice | microversions are cheap to make, but the complexity accumulates. | 13:48 |
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| fried_rice | avoid making the spawn call? The spawn call happens *after* a successful PUT /allocations. | 13:48 |
| mriedem | short update on runways: the 3 slots were flushed, 2 of the 3 bps were completed, the other was moved out and is blocked on neutron api changes; i've added cpu features as traits https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-rocky | 13:48 |
| mriedem | Kevin_Zheng: i've held https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/abort-live-migration-in-queued-status+status:open out of the runway slot b/c it needs to be rebased | 13:49 |
| cdent | fried_rice: oh sorry, I think I misunderstood you. You're saying "construst an allocdation and try to PUT it" | 13:49 |
| fried_rice | correct | 13:49 |
| cdent | that's a good idea, but only easy to do in very limited cases | 13:49 |
| fried_rice | right | 13:49 |
| mriedem | stephenfin: is https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/numa-aware-vswitches ready for a runway slot? | 13:49 |
| fried_rice | no nested/sharing, foreknowledge of traits, ... | 13:49 |
| stephenfin | mriedem: I think so, yes. dansmith and giblet have been actively reviewing it | 13:50 |
| mriedem | ack, adding it to a slot | 13:50 |
| cdent | fried_rice: based on all the other complexities we have made, that seems a rare case, or at least a hard to predict case, the way I was describing we don't need to "see" much | 13:50 |
| fried_rice | I agree. | 13:50 |
| mriedem | yikun: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/complex-anti-affinity-policies+(status:open+OR+status:merged) looks ready for a runway slot so i'm adding it | 13:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Fix the rescue race for vGPU instances https://review.openstack.org/577424 | 13:51 |
| mriedem | dansmith: 3 new things in the runways slots now so the channel topic could be updated | 13:52 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: I was going to do that runway shuffling this morning after my meeting | 13:52 |
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| cdent | melwitt, mriedem please remind me of the location of the blueprint tracking etherpad? | 13:53 |
| mriedem | cdent: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-rocky-blueprint-status | 13:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Edward Hope-Morley proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for extending Aggregate scheduling capabilties. https://review.openstack.org/524664 | 13:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-novaclient master: Fix help text in server-group-create https://review.openstack.org/577341 | 13:54 |
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| cdent | thanks | 13:54 |
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| *** dansmith changes topic to "Current runways: report-cpu-features-as-traits / numa-aware-vswitches / complex-anti-affinity-policies -- This channel is for Nova development. For support of Nova deployments, please use #openstack." | 13:55 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/nova master: Add method to get cpu traits https://review.openstack.org/560317 | 14:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Tighten up ReportClient use of generation https://review.openstack.org/556669 | 14:03 |
| fried_rice | jaypipes: mriedem, cdent: This should be ready to go now ^ | 14:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: conf: Deprecate 'network_manager' https://review.openstack.org/530923 | 14:05 |
| fried_rice | mriedem: IIRC, this was something you were wanting for something you were doing. | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | yeah the sync_aggregates CLI depends on it | 14:05 |
| mriedem | but, i'm not going to work on that today | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | put a pretty nice dent in blueprints this past week, nice work folks | 14:08 |
| fried_rice | ++ | 14:09 |
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| fried_rice | cdent: Partial answer to your question about stein specs, Takashi proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/573602/ but it's not in yet. | 14:11 |
| cdent | thanks | 14:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Bump keystoneauth1 minimum to 3.9.0 https://review.openstack.org/577431 | 14:13 |
| fried_rice | cdent: ^ | 14:13 |
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| fried_rice | (for the raise_exc thing) | 14:13 |
| cdent | huzzah | 14:14 |
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| fried_rice | cdent: Can we get rid of or consolidate nova.tests.fixtures.PlacementFixture and nova.tests.functional.api.openstack.placement.fixtures.placement.PlacementFixture at this point? | 14:25 |
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| cdent | no, they are different | 14:26 |
| cdent | I just recently de-consolidated them | 14:26 |
| fried_rice | merged? | 14:26 |
| cdent | question? | 14:26 |
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| fried_rice | Is the deconsolidation proposed or merged? | 14:27 |
| fried_rice | oh, was it part of the PlacementDirect series and I just forgot because that happened like DAYS ago? | 14:28 |
| cdent | merged: you reviewed it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568359/ | 14:28 |
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| gilfoyle | Hi, given a VM UUID, is it possible to follow the log trail in the controller to identify the compute node where it was created? if so, could I get some hints? Thanks :) | 14:34 |
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| fried_rice | gilfoyle: There should be a couple of request IDs in the log line. If you search the compute log for the VM UUID, you'll see in the log lines something like [req-<one_UUID> req-<another_UUID>] | 14:36 |
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| fried_rice | gilfoyle: If you take that first one, req-<one_UUID>, you should be able to search for that in the controller log and follow the flow for that whole request. | 14:36 |
| fried_rice | gilfoyle: Is that what you were asking? | 14:37 |
| artom | gilfoyle, if you have access to the admin APIs (which I assume you do, since you have SSH access to the hosts), just 'nova show <vm>' will have the hypervisor hostname in there somwhere | 14:37 |
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| gilfoyle | fried_rice: did you meant compute or controller node in the first message? | 14:37 |
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| gilfoyle | artom: the vm has been deleted already | 14:38 |
| fried_rice | gilfoyle: Well, either one - anywhere you can find the instance UUID. | 14:38 |
| artom | gilfoyle, ah, direct database access then | 14:38 |
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| artom | It's a soft-delete, so it's still there | 14:38 |
| gilfoyle | I have full access to the cluster, I just don't know where to look :) | 14:38 |
| artom | In fact, we might even have an API switch for that | 14:38 |
| gilfoyle | n.b: this is mitaka, not bleeding edge OS | 14:39 |
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| artom | gilfoyle, yeah, the list servers API has a deleted param you can pass: https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#list-servers | 14:40 |
| gilfoyle | ah! | 14:40 |
| gilfoyle | thanks | 14:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Adapter raise_exc=False by default https://review.openstack.org/577437 | 14:43 |
| fried_rice | cdent: and ^ | 14:43 |
| fried_rice | (though I might wait for zuul on that one) | 14:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Surya Seetharaman proposed openstack/nova master: Make nova list and migration-list ignore down cells https://review.openstack.org/575734 | 15:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-novaclient master: Fix trusted-image-certificate-id help text https://review.openstack.org/576555 | 15:24 |
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| kashyap | I'm blind, can someone point to the nova.conf docs in this URL here: http://logs.openstack.org/85/577385/2/check/build-openstack-sphinx-docs/e2df47c/html/ | 15:27 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: http://logs.openstack.org/85/577385/2/check/build-openstack-sphinx-docs/e2df47c/html/configuration/ | 15:28 |
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| kashyap | stephenfin: Thanks; _this_ is the file I was looking for - http://logs.openstack.org/85/577385/2/check/build-openstack-sphinx-docs/e2df47c/html/configuration/config.html | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: network: Unchain '_get_phynet_info' from '_get_port_vnic_info' https://review.openstack.org/564443 | 15:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: network: Rename '_get_phynet_info' to '_get_network_info' https://review.openstack.org/577233 | 15:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: network: Rename 'create_pci_requests_for_sriov_ports' https://review.openstack.org/575488 | 15:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: network: Always retrieve network information if available https://review.openstack.org/564444 | 15:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: network: Retrieve tunneled status in '_get_network_info' https://review.openstack.org/564445 | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: objects: Add NUMACell.network_info https://review.openstack.org/564439 | 15:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: objects: Add NUMATopologyLimits.networks https://review.openstack.org/575486 | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: hardware: Start accounting for networks in NUMA placement https://review.openstack.org/564448 | 15:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: objects: Add RequestSpec.numa_networks https://review.openstack.org/564442 | 15:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: scheduler: Start utilizing RequestSpec.numa_networks https://review.openstack.org/564452 | 15:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: conf: Add '[neutron] physnets' and related options https://review.openstack.org/564440 | 15:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Start populating NUMACell.network_info field https://review.openstack.org/564441 | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: objects: Add RequestSpec.numa_networks https://review.openstack.org/564442 | 15:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: scheduler: Start utilizing RequestSpec.numa_networks https://review.openstack.org/564452 | 15:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: conf: Add '[neutron] physnets' and related options https://review.openstack.org/564440 | 15:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Start populating NUMACell.network_info field https://review.openstack.org/564441 | 15:40 |
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| artom | dansmith, I think I already know the answer, but what would be your opinion of shoving a load of XML in a nova object's StringField? | 18:15 |
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| dansmith | artom: uh huh | 18:15 |
| dansmith | artom: libvirt xml? | 18:15 |
| artom | (Context: it's way easier to calculate the NUMA-related bits of XML on the destination host and then send them to the source) | 18:15 |
| artom | dansmith, yeah | 18:15 |
| dansmith | I dunno, I've thought about it, re: the file backed stuff, | 18:16 |
| artom | (Rather than just sending "information" so to speak) | 18:16 |
| dansmith | but you basically end up having to do all the compatibility stuff on the other end | 18:16 |
| artom | It doens't have to be XML per se | 18:16 |
| dansmith | which is easier to reason about if you speak in terms of "I support this thing, IMHO | 18:16 |
| artom | I would like to have a way to serialize the GuestConfig objects and send them over the wire | 18:16 |
| dansmith | you might as well do that as libvirt xml, given what they represent, | 18:17 |
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| artom | OK, so not totally opposed | 18:17 |
| dansmith | but it doesn't change the fact that it becomes potentially ugly with versions and compat | 18:17 |
| artom | I was expecting more resistance :) | 18:17 |
| dansmith | I'm 90% against, how's that? | 18:17 |
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| dansmith | we should have a discussion about it with more people involved | 18:17 |
| artom | Ah, ok, I misunderstood then | 18:17 |
| dansmith | maybe in a spec or something | 18:17 |
| artom | Heh, that boat has sailed, for this cycle at least | 18:18 |
| dansmith | I'm saying I know why you want to do it, I don't have a great alternative, but so far we've done it with flags to indicate what I support and am configured for | 18:18 |
| dansmith | maybe letting the other end manipulate its own xml is a better model, I dunno, but I'm afraid of the box it opens I guess | 18:18 |
| dansmith | so to back the 90% down I want to think and discuss | 18:19 |
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| dansmith | on the one hand it's kinda awkward that libvirt makes the sending side calculate the xml for the destination, which is why we have this problem | 18:19 |
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| artom | Well, both hosts know a bit, but don't have the whole picture | 18:20 |
| dansmith | but, I dunno, generating xml in the ether without somewhat insta-validation like we get from passing it straight to libvirt is a recipe for weird issues I think | 18:20 |
| artom | So, I think it makes more sense for the source to do it, but yeah, not idea | 18:20 |
| artom | *ideal | 18:20 |
| artom | Well, I wouldn't be using it directly | 18:21 |
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| dansmith | using what directly? libvirt? | 18:21 |
| artom | The idea would be to update the bits of the source XML that have "newer versions" in the XML from the dest | 18:21 |
| artom | Using the XML | 18:21 |
| artom | As in, it won't just get .format_dom() into the XML the source sends | 18:21 |
| artom | It'll be cherry-picks, so to speak | 18:22 |
| dansmith | my point being you pass xml from libvirt version X with nova/libvirt/qemu config Y to another host, it mangles it according to libvirt version Z and config (oops out of letters) and then passes it back, which the source then passes to the destination again in the migration, where it could fail | 18:22 |
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| dansmith | generating a <cpu_pinning_stuff> fragment on the destination side and passing it back to the source makes more sense to me, if that's what you mean | 18:22 |
| artom | It's exactly what I mean | 18:23 |
| dansmith | okay, 52% on that | 18:23 |
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| dansmith | however, don't we have some FooBarNUMATopology objects that self-serialize we could use in migrate data for that? | 18:23 |
| artom | Yeah, which is what the spec calls for | 18:23 |
| dansmith | I like that a lot better, fwiw | 18:23 |
| artom | But I'd end up replicating the code that does all the calculations | 18:23 |
| dansmith | why? | 18:24 |
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| dansmith | don't we do the hardware.fit_to_underpants code on the objects? | 18:24 |
| dansmith | (I dunno, it's friday) | 18:24 |
| artom | dansmith, so, starting from https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/18.0.0.0b1/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L5171 | 18:25 |
| artom | The instance_numa_topology is definitely used, and if the dest would pass a few more bits of into to the source it works out sort of OK | 18:25 |
| dansmith | ah, it just returns the config, okay, | 18:25 |
| dansmith | the destination just needs to return the other inputs to that function right? | 18:25 |
| artom | But just look at the code for _get_guest_numa_config | 18:25 |
| artom | Or _get_guest_memory_backing_config | 18:26 |
| artom | That would all have to done again on the source | 18:26 |
| dansmith | yeah, s'pretty gross | 18:26 |
| dansmith | yeah, but, who cares? | 18:26 |
| artom | About what? | 18:26 |
| dansmith | about doing it again on the source before a migration | 18:26 |
| artom | Unless we do some major refactoring, it'd have to be new code | 18:27 |
| dansmith | wait, what? | 18:27 |
| * dansmith looks again | 18:27 | |
| artom | Because https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/18.0.0.0b1/nova/virt/libvirt/migration.py#L80 is what updates the XML on the source | 18:27 |
| dansmith | oh, | 18:27 |
| artom | Bare function not inside any class | 18:27 |
| dansmith | get_host_numa_topology() | 18:27 |
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| artom | With no access to the driver | 18:27 |
| dansmith | I think the key is that we have to look at host numa topo there, which means the dest has to send back the full topology for the source to use instead of its own, right? | 18:28 |
| artom | Yeah | 18:28 |
| artom | Or send the bits of the host numa topo that are important | 18:29 |
| dansmith | yeah | 18:29 |
| dansmith | well, I dunno | 18:29 |
| artom | But... it seems to make more sense to have the dest calculate all that | 18:29 |
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| artom | Except we have no sensible way to send that over the wire | 18:29 |
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| dansmith | I see that sending the xml fragment would be more expedient | 18:29 |
| dansmith | what does the guest config look like? | 18:30 |
| artom | Or even a pickled blob | 18:30 |
| dansmith | I mean, can we objectify the results of that method without too much fanfare? | 18:30 |
| dansmith | the config fragment we need I mean | 18:30 |
| artom | Lots of boilerplate code, but could be done | 18:30 |
| artom | There's some nested "objects" in there too | 18:30 |
| dansmith | can you link or pastebin me what it looks like? | 18:31 |
| artom | So not trivial, but not super annoying either | 18:31 |
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| artom | Gimme a sec, there's a named enum in there and I need to find the actual objects | 18:31 |
| artom | So there's https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/18.0.0.0b1/nova/virt/libvirt/config.py#L1883 | 18:32 |
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| dansmith | no, I want to see an actual xml blob | 18:32 |
| artom | Oh | 18:33 |
| dansmith | surely we have something in the tests? (/me is scraping for it) | 18:33 |
| artom | We must - or I can just spin up an instance and dump you that | 18:33 |
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| dansmith | is it <numatune> ? | 18:34 |
| artom | There's a bunch of distinct ones, I actually don't know if there's a sinle "parent" element | 18:35 |
| artom | *single | 18:35 |
| dansmith | and some vcpu stuff I guess | 18:36 |
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| artom | <cputune> as wlel | 18:36 |
| artom | *well | 18:36 |
| dansmith | right, so at the end of the day, you're going to generate some new xml document which contains a subset of the things you need and on the source have to parse that expected structure and pick out the pieces you want | 18:37 |
| artom | 'zactly | 18:37 |
| dansmith | which you could do super hackily by just grabbing the root of any subtree and yank it straight into the xml you're sending to the other side in migrate, | 18:37 |
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| dansmith | but that would be pretty trusting of the other side, and wouldn't have a very high confidence that you're generating valid xml | 18:37 |
| dansmith | and if you're going to inspect every piece of it to transplant it, | 18:37 |
| dansmith | I kinda think that you might as well have used our own objects for that transport | 18:38 |
| artom | Yeah, good point | 18:38 |
| dansmith | instead of using another complex structure that kinda looks like libvirt's but isn't exactly, and doesn't have the rest of the ingrained patterns our devs are used to | 18:38 |
| dansmith | so I dunno.. if it was one blob that was <all_numa_stuff> ... </> then it'd be a little more sane to just drop it in (maybe), but since it's not... | 18:39 |
| artom | That being said, it's XML by the destination for the destination | 18:39 |
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| dansmith | it is, but it's yanked into a larger xml doc the destination hasn't seen yet | 18:39 |
| artom | Does it really make sense for the source to do anything other than, as you said, grab the subtree and stick it in? | 18:39 |
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| artom | Also true | 18:40 |
| dansmith | well, the source will have to merge or replace the vcpu elements, for example | 18:40 |
| dansmith | if there was a non-numa-related attribute that the destination doesn't know how to calculate, for example, | 18:40 |
| dansmith | then the source would have to reason about the mergeification of the numa-related fragments we got from the destination, in context of the other non-numa-related ones already in the xml | 18:41 |
| artom | Replace, I would think - the instance numa topology hasn't changed, so for example '<vcpupin vcpu="0"' should not change | 18:41 |
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| dansmith | which may not happen now or later, but it supports the "just dropping the pieces into the existing xml doc may not make sense" argument | 18:41 |
| dansmith | yeah, I'm trying to come up with a concrete example that exists today, which may not be possible, | 18:41 |
| dansmith | but surely may in the future | 18:42 |
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| dansmith | oh so, | 18:42 |
| dansmith | <cputune> has a ton of stuff in it, not all numa-related right? | 18:42 |
| artom | So, NUMA is sort of an abuse of language | 18:43 |
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| artom | CPU pinning isn't strictly NUMA | 18:43 |
| artom | But that info is stored in our NUMA objects | 18:43 |
| dansmith | cputune specifies the cache layout.. will the destination generate that too? can it? what if it differs from what the guest has now for some reason? the source will have to decide I would think | 18:43 |
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| artom | And it's one of the things we have to update | 18:43 |
| dansmith | cache is? | 18:44 |
| dansmith | or you mean pinning | 18:44 |
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| artom | Yeah pinning | 18:44 |
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| dansmith | yeah, | 18:44 |
| dansmith | so I mean basically you're asking the destination for a lot of fragments | 18:44 |
| dansmith | and just yanking those into the source document just strikes me as unsafe, or fragile | 18:44 |
| dansmith | having generated my fair share of xml that I thought was valid, only to have to spend time with sax to figure out what I did that violated the schema... | 18:45 |
| artom | Well, it'd be a matter of 'for numa-y element in source: if numa-y element in dest: replace the bits, dropping in the whole subtree if feasible' | 18:45 |
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| dansmith | really? what if the source generates fewer elements and you don't replace one of the source ones and now you have a layout that doesn't make sense? :) | 18:46 |
| artom | So numatune I *think* would be fully replacable | 18:46 |
| dansmith | aye | 18:46 |
| dansmith | what if the source is older than the destination and the destination generates some layout, that doesn't make sense without an element you don't know about? | 18:47 |
| artom | We encore nova service version, at least | 18:47 |
| dansmith | like new libvirt adds cache affinity to numa node (just a fake example of course) | 18:47 |
| dansmith | right, so that's my point, | 18:47 |
| dansmith | instead of exposing feature flags and letting the source reason about it, | 18:47 |
| artom | Well, libvirt doens't actually come into play here, just our driver | 18:47 |
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| dansmith | no, I know, but I'm saying we add support for some new thing | 18:48 |
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| dansmith | the destination needs to know and do a lot of compatibility handling | 18:48 |
| dansmith | which it does anyway, but I just think if you open the gate that wide, it starts to have to care about the libvirt schema at a particular version, which by the way, service_version won't tell you :) | 18:48 |
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| artom | Yeah, sorry, the service version thing is just while we're on rocky/queens | 18:49 |
| dansmith | right but there is a wide spectrum of libvirt, qemu and nova versions that may affect stuff like this | 18:49 |
| dansmith | anyway, I have to run to lunch in a bit | 18:49 |
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| artom | Once we move past that, it's completely conceivable for both source and dest to be > MIN_NUMA_LIVE_MIGRATION, and for the dest to generate some XML that the source doens't know about | 18:49 |
| dansmith | but hopefully you've got some of my concerns in your head now | 18:49 |
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| dansmith | sounds like you maybe need some spec text to generate this discussion and move to agreement yeah? | 18:50 |
| artom | I suppose | 18:50 |
| dansmith | no? | 18:51 |
| artom | It wouldn't hurt | 18:51 |
| dansmith | this strikes me as a thing you're going to want to have broad agreement on | 18:51 |
| artom | I feel like having concrete code to strawman might be better | 18:51 |
| dansmith | well, as long as you're okay with throwing it away, and make it clear it's for discussion then that's fine with me | 18:51 |
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| artom | Heh, well, maybe I'm not? | 18:52 |
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| dansmith | ... | 18:52 |
| dansmith | well, just trying to help.. do whichever you think will be most successful :) | 18:53 |
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| artom | dansmith, right, sorry, didn't mean to come off as flippant | 18:53 |
| artom | This discussion is definitely helpful and your time is appreciated :) | 18:54 |
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| dansmith | for me as well | 18:54 |
| dansmith | now I have all my -1s lined up and it's not even noon :P | 18:54 |
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| smcginnis | I seem to recall hearing at one point that the version of libvirt-python used was dependent on the version of libvirt itself on the host. Can anyone confirm that? | 19:27 |
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