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| openstackgerrit | hulina proposed openstack/nova master: Nova raise exceptions when extending volume fails https://review.opendev.org/680648 | 01:52 |
| openstackgerrit | hulina proposed openstack/nova master: Nova raise exceptions when extending volume fails https://review.opendev.org/680648 | 01:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi Natsume proposed openstack/nova master: Remove six.PY2 and six.PY3 https://review.opendev.org/726512 | 03:01 |
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| bauzas | good morning Nova | 06:09 |
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| alex_xu | gibi: I and luyao huaqiang test the https://meetpad.opendev.org/oslo-victoria-ptg, it doesn't seems work for us, it is no audio. can we switch to zoom for nova ptg? | 06:26 |
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| ikla | can I attached an SR-IOV port to an existing instance? | 08:50 |
| ikla | attach* | 08:50 |
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| ikla | AttachSRIOVPortNotSupported_Remote | 08:51 |
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| stephenfin | ikla: no, that is not supported currently | 08:54 |
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| frickler | lyarwood: not sure if you have seen it, devstack on focal is working fine now with these tests blacklisted https://review.opendev.org/#/c/704831/14/.zuul.yaml | 08:59 |
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| frickler | lyarwood: incidentally, one of them is also blacklisted on bionic for devstack-ceph-plugin. I'm going to build a ceph-focal job to verify the others, those did work fine in my local setup | 09:00 |
| frickler | c.f. https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack-plugin-ceph/+bug/1876330 | 09:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1876330 in devstack-plugin-ceph "Rescue BFV instances not working with ceph backend, Tempest new test failing" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Lee Yarwood (lyarwood) | 09:01 |
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| stephenfin | frickler: lyarwood is on PTO for the next month (new baby) | 09:06 |
| stephenfin | just FYI | 09:06 |
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| frickler | stephenfin: yeah, I saw that warning, thx. anyone else wanting to debug failing volume detachments on focal? this might be a blocker for migrating the default jobs unless we accept to permanently blacklist those tests | 09:10 |
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| gibi | alex_xu: hi! did you tried zoom? does it work for you? | 09:16 |
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| alex_xu | gibi: yes, zoom works for us | 09:41 |
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| gibi | alex_xu: OK. I will change the etherpads and drop a mail to ML that we switch. I hope zoom works for everyone | 09:42 |
| alex_xu | gibi: thanks! | 09:43 |
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| gibi | alex_xu: Done | 10:03 |
| gibi | alex_xu: liuyulong seemed to participate on the neutron sessions yesterday and I guess he is from PRC too | 10:05 |
| gibi | so if you need to join to other jitsi rooms during the week he might help | 10:06 |
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| stephenfin | gmann: Dumb question, but what's the expected behaviour when someone adds e.g. a reader role to a user on a Train-based deployment (i.e. before the policy default refresh) | 10:15 |
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| stephenfin | gmann: I would assume it'll be completely ignored and only things like "is this user an admin or owner" would be considered? | 10:16 |
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| bauzas | gibi: alex_xu: sorry, just saw your discussions, you want to move from meetpad to zoom ? | 10:23 |
| bauzas | it's a bit unfortunate :( | 10:24 |
| bauzas | but okay | 10:24 |
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| sean-k-mooney | alex_xu: have you tried useing meetpad wtih chrome by the way | 10:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | it is not too hapy with firefox but chrome works fine for me | 10:31 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i have used both an while i kind of prefer meetpad i think both work resonably well | 10:31 |
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| gibi | bauzas: yeah, the tool is secondary for me the primary goal is to allow everyone to join | 10:35 |
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| luyao | sean-k-mooney: I used chrome but didn't work for me. :( | 10:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | stephenfin: if you add a reader role, they will have access to start instances | 12:31 |
| stephenfin | It also seems they also have access to delete other users instances | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | correct | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | they have full access, as any user would | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is the point of the work, to fix that problem | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | but you have to opt into the new behviour | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | admin_or_owner meant, admin or anyone with any role in a project | 12:33 |
| stephenfin | I was about to ask | 12:33 |
| stephenfin | admin_or_owner suggested admin or owner of resource (i.e. user that created server) | 12:33 |
| stephenfin | but that's not the case, fun :) | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that is why I was so keen to get this done, the policy checks are basically non-sense by default | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | to be clear, owner is the project | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | the user only owns keypairs | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have not changed that at all | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | (there is a way to break your API and make the user sort of own things, but it was a compromise while we don't have hierarchical quotas) | 12:35 |
| stephenfin | Okay, I don't know how I never got that nuance reading the specs | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is more the history of the API, project owns things, not users | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | (expect keypairs) | 12:36 |
| stephenfin | so for everything != keypairs, admin_or_owner is really admin_or_project_member? | 12:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | if it worked properly, yes | 12:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | right now its admin_or_anyone_in_the_project | 12:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hopefully by V or W we can make it admin_or_project_memeber | 12:37 |
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| stephenfin | sorry, yeah, by project_member I was talking in general, not in terms of keystone roles | 12:37 |
| stephenfin | admin_or_is_in_project | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. the role reader can delete any instance in a project, right now | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | ack | 12:37 |
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| stephenfin | okay, cool | 12:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | johnthetubaguy: ya that is a bug | 12:37 |
| stephenfin | johnthetubaguy++ thanks for the clarification. I'll try find somewhere to slot that into the docs | 12:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | isnt there a patch to fix that | 12:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sean-k-mooney: which bit? the policy work last cycle was all to try and make this sane... eventually, after a transition period | 12:38 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: We have proper role-based policy support integrated now, if that's what you mean | 12:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | johnthetubaguy: there is a patch to make ti so that the reader role can not delete instances | 12:39 |
| stephenfin | the work gmann and others did last cycle | 12:39 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i was looking at it last week i think it came up downstream and we were debaing if we caould backport it or not | 12:39 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: we're talking about the same thing here, I suspect | 12:40 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: read the scrollback | 12:40 |
| stephenfin | tl;dr: the reader role is completely ignored until Ussuri and is then opt-in in Ussuri | 12:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes | 12:41 |
| stephenfin | all that matters is whether the user is an admin or a member of the project that the instance is part of | 12:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | be consulting worte kcs articles of how to hack one in and our customer always mess it up | 12:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | so it will be nice when we can jsut use the reader role in osp | 12:41 |
| stephenfin | so a user that is a member of project foo will be able to delete any instance in project foo, even if they only have the reader role | 12:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: well that is a bug | 12:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | if a user is part of a project but only has the reader role they should not be able to delete the instnace | 12:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | if the have teh member and reader role then the can | 12:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | but if they only have the reader role they should not be able to do the delete | 12:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | that was fixed by adding an new policy defintion | 12:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | for server delete | 12:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | this one i think https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/policies/servers.py#L319-L328 | 12:44 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: that's my understanding, yes | 12:44 |
| stephenfin | this was the policy-defaults-refresh blueprint | 12:44 |
| gibi | nova session starts in 15 minutes | 12:45 |
| gibi | please note that we switched back to Zoom | 12:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: this is what fixed it https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/c3fcc31d5f74e45e6c8eeadf3e45a53c194e08ab | 12:45 |
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| stephenfin | yup | 12:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | it changed form check_str=RULE_AOO, to check_str=base.PROJECT_MEMBER_OR_SYSTEM_ADMIN, | 12:46 |
| stephenfin | which was added by bee15b56814673e784ec18a7b92cbf4974fa6628 | 12:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | stephenfin: sean-k-mooney: that all sounds like what I was meaning | 12:52 |
| stephenfin | \o/ | 12:53 |
| stephenfin | phew | 12:53 |
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| sean-k-mooney | johnthetubaguy: we also told our downstream folks that its not backportable so we are good there too :) | 12:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | reader and member should work in ussri I think | 12:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | sean-k-mooney: +1 | 12:53 |
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| gibi | it time | 13:00 |
| gibi | it is time | 13:00 |
| artom | There's a meeting password? | 13:00 |
| gibi | PTG2020 | 13:00 |
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| bauzas | stephenfin: we need you ^ | 13:04 |
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| gmann | stephenfin: yeah what johnthetubaguy mentioned. in addition we had few bugs where admin_owner was open to everyone because project_id was not passed as policy target which were fixed in our policy work in ussuri. you might get 404 from DB etc but not 403 | 13:05 |
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| artom | Zoom is not cooperating | 13:08 |
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| stephenfin | artom: I had to use Chrome | 13:13 |
| stephenfin | Firefox insisted on me installing stuff | 13:13 |
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| artom | stephenfin, yeah, I ended up installing the client | 13:15 |
| artom | Neither Chrome nor Firefox were working | 13:15 |
| artom | FWIW, Jitsi was just fine in the browser *ahem AHEM* | 13:15 |
| artom | ;) | 13:15 |
| liuyulong | gibi, alex_xu, meetpad does not work fine if without a proxy. So I setup a socket5 proxy VM from a public cloud in Singapore, it does not work fine either. The voice of the meeting was not very clear. | 13:15 |
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| gibi | liuyulong: thanks for the info. we switched to zoom | 13:17 |
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| stephenfin | I assume I'm the only that is seeing a stutter every now and then? | 13:22 |
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| stephenfin | artom: I can still hear everyone | 13:30 |
| stephenfin | so just you | 13:31 |
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| artom | stephenfin, I know | 13:31 |
| dansmith | gibi: I just continue to get a spinning "connecting" trying to join the juno zoom room | 13:31 |
| dansmith | ah, here we go.. it's crazy slo | 13:32 |
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| gibi | dansmith: I'm glad you could join | 13:33 |
| dansmith | gibi: well, it is still just "connecting" and I have audio, but no video and no window to mute myself or anything like that | 13:34 |
| dansmith | and I can't quit :) | 13:34 |
| gibi | dansmith: strange, the room run well so far | 13:34 |
| dansmith | how many people are in it? | 13:34 |
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| gibi | 23 | 13:35 |
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| gibi | dansmith: now you are in! | 13:40 |
| dansmith | gibi: on a different computer :/ | 13:41 |
| gibi | :/ | 13:41 |
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| bauzas | gosh, I'm seeing double now | 13:49 |
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| kashyap | For me audio is completely lost; /me just joined shortly... | 13:52 |
| kashyap | Joinied via Linux Zoom app. (Yes, yes, I tried the "Windows solution" - turned it off and turned it back on) | 13:52 |
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| kashyap | Ah, fixed | 13:53 |
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| kashyap | sean-k-mooney: Are we talking about default machine type change? | 13:56 |
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| dansmith | For anyone that was suffering the same thing as me, | 14:08 |
| dansmith | the only way I was able to get zoom to not hang on connect is to start zoom itself, grab the meeting ID out of the link, and join the conference by id instead of the automatic linky thing | 14:08 |
| dansmith | on my other machine just clicking the link works fine, so I dunno if it's a browser thing or a zoom thing or what | 14:08 |
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| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: are you using firefox or chome | 14:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | chrome seam to be working better for people | 14:09 |
| dansmith | chrome (of course) and I've never had this problem with zoom until today | 14:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | that said i clinked the screen share button just now and it hard locked | 14:09 |
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| sean-k-mooney | is there a way to get the tile view of multiple people by the way | 14:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | its nice to be able to see people to see queue of if they are trying to speak so i dont speak over people | 14:10 |
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| sean-k-mooney | if that is only in the app i might download the flatpack or snap assuming there is one | 14:12 |
| mordred | artom: left a comment on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733151 - thanks for working on that! | 14:12 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: there is gallery view in the app (linux) | 14:12 |
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| artom | mordred, that was super quick, thank you! | 14:14 |
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| artom | mordred, so I'm just starting to audit the pre-2.72 stuff (that's where gtema said you stopped) in sdk and catching it up with WIP patches where I can | 14:15 |
| mordred | artom: cool | 14:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: yep that is what i was looking for | 14:16 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: I'm usign the deb package from the zoom webpage | 14:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya i might try that just installed the flatpak | 14:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | if it does not work ill grab the deb | 14:18 |
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| sean-k-mooney | hehe yes i can definetly typo lots of stuff | 14:23 |
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| rouk | sean-k-mooney I narrowed down that metadata issue, it gets fixed when I point nova-api to nova db instead of nova_cell0, it's not selecting the cell for some reason in a single cell deployment (which has 2 now, cause cell0 is mandatory), where does the cell db get selected? Everything else seemed to go to the right place, but block_device_mapping reads are going to a different db than writes. | 14:29 |
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| sean-k-mooney | ok so the block device info is only in the cell db not the api db | 14:32 |
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| rouk | So... What's the fix? Is it broken? Am I using it wrong? | 14:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | sorry im currently in the nova call. but ill try and take a look when its done | 14:38 |
| rouk | Yeah sure thing, for now I have nova-api configured to use the nova db, instead of nova_cell0, which "fixes" the issue for now. But maybe that breaks other things I'm not aware of. It's just a dev location so I don't mind if I destroy the db. | 14:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | that will only work for a singel cell deployment | 14:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | you can deploy the metadata serivce seperatly and you can deploy a different metata api instance per cell | 14:41 |
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| rouk | Yeah, but in a single cell deployment should it be writing to nova then trying to read the data from nova_cell0? Looks like something has to be wrong. | 14:46 |
| rouk | New data shows up in nova, API tries to read it from nova_cell0 and never sees it. | 14:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | so the correct work around is to deploy a seperate metadta service and point it to the cell db | 14:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | but keep the nova-api actully poining only at the api db | 14:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | but we should look into this and try and fix it so that is not required | 14:56 |
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| rouk | Yeah. I'll look into deploying metadata separate, not sure how/if kolla has it supported yet, but I'll figure it out. Anything I can do to help fix the issue upstream? | 15:00 |
| rouk | Also have i screwed my db by pointing directly at the nova db on nova-api and nova-scheduler? | 15:04 |
| rouk | As that current workaround didn't have much thought put into the consequences | 15:04 |
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| sean-k-mooney | you likely have not broke them but you should not do that | 15:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: ^ the api db should not point directly to the cell db right. it looks like the block device mapping are only in the cell db so they are missing form the metadata responce | 15:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | pointing nova-api at the cell db instead of cell0 seams to fix it but obvioly not the right thing to do | 15:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | the workaround im suggesting is deploy a seperate metadta api and have it point to the cell db for now | 15:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | rouk: i think we are just not correctly downcalling form the api to the cell db to get this info | 15:18 |
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| rouk | sean-k-mooney: seems like kolla doesnt have any tooling for deploying per-cell metadata yet, is there some documentation on whats actually needed to do it? any docs i can find from nova are super vague on how per-cell meta works. | 16:27 |
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| rouk | seems like the easiest fix would be to keep api connected to the cell's db until its fixed, unless theres some implementation docs i can use to add per-cell meta to kolla. | 16:34 |
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| lbragstad | gmann johnthetubaguy i see the policy stuff made it on the retrospective | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: yeah, just saying it was good it landed | 17:14 |
| lbragstad | gmann johnthetubaguy i tried joining, but i was a late | 17:14 |
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| lbragstad | is there anything that we can take out of that discussion? | 17:14 |
| gmann | lbragstad: few things we discussed during oslo-nova session on Monday | 17:19 |
| gmann | on json format stuff | 17:19 |
| gmann | lbragstad: L80 - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/oslo-victoria-topics | 17:20 |
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| gmann | especially how to migrate json format to yaml in smooth way | 17:21 |
| lbragstad | gmann ah - yeah | 17:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | rouk: well you only have one cell so i would leave the main api pointing to the api db/cell 0 and have the seperate metadata service point to the singel cell | 17:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | kolla does support a spereate metadtaa api i belive so that should be doable. i think | 17:28 |
| rouk | yeah, but i dont know how to set up a separate metadata service, docs arent really specific on what to do, and id have to understand the process before i can add it to kolla. | 17:28 |
| rouk | i dont see any tasks for it in kolla | 17:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya just looked too it looks like they dont support it | 17:31 |
| rouk | yeah, so im debating between adding support for it, which... theres little docs other than spec drawing for me to implement it, or just leaving nova-api on wrong db till i need multi-cell or the nova bug is fixed | 17:32 |
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| sean-k-mooney | rouk: so currently you are just chainging [database]/connection | 17:32 |
| rouk | yes. | 17:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | to point to your nova db which is cell 1 | 17:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | and ytou are not changin [api_database]/connection | 17:33 |
| rouk | correct. | 17:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | im not sure if that would implcitly be harmful | 17:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | rouk: the schelder shoudl not need to be modifed by the way | 17:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | it would only be nova-api | 17:34 |
| rouk | yeah, i need to revert that change, kolla puts them onto the same config, i need to make my change more specific and split it up a bit | 17:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya that is simple to do with kolla | 17:35 |
| rouk | yeah, just going to do a nova-api.conf override | 17:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep | 17:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | i really like there config override system | 17:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | you know htat you can use jinja varables in your config overrides too | 17:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | so you can put connection = mysql+pymysql://{{ nova_cell0_database_user }}:{{ nova_cell0_database_password }}@{{ nova_cell0_database_address }}/{{ nova_cell0_database_name }} | 17:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | max_pool_size = 50 | 17:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | in your config | 17:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | and just change teh {{nova_cell0_database_name}} bit | 17:38 |
| rouk | yep, already got the template change written when i overrode the .j2 file originally, just copying my change into nova-api instead | 17:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | rouk: sure just making sure you know the {{}} syntax works most people dont realise that the overrides are processed as jinja templates too | 17:39 |
| rouk | i hope i dont have to write nova-api-metadata myself for victoria or something, since yeah, ill probably need per-cell metadata soon, one site will be extending past 100 hypervisors eventually. metadata will probably be fiiiine till 200 hypervisors before i start having perf issues. | 17:41 |
| rouk | how bad will the fix be on the nova side to fix single metadata? | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | rouk: you can run multiple instance of thte metadta service today with kolla | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | so you should be fine well beyond 200 instance provided you configure memcache to cache between the differen metadata services | 17:43 |
| rouk | yeah, i have a bunch, its just going to suck when theyre spread over geographic locations, or large networks. im talking 200+ hypervisors, 100-200 instances each | 17:43 |
| rouk | right now im at 80something hypervisors. | 17:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | rouk: but regarding the fix sinc e i have not looked at why we are not geting the info form the cell db im not sure but i suspect it should not be supper invaisve to fix | 17:43 |
| rouk | should i open a bug for tracking? | 17:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes definetly | 17:44 |
| rouk | alright, ill have that up once i have my kolla change deployed and verify my users are happy. | 17:46 |
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| josephillips | hey | 18:08 |
| rouk | sean-k-mooney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1881944 | 18:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1881944 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-api returns empty block-device-mapping in metadata queries" [Undecided,New] | 18:08 |
| josephillips | someone with idea of how to solve this The instance sync for host 'Computenode' did not match. Re-created its InstanceList. | 18:08 |
| josephillips | happend eventualy | 18:08 |
| josephillips | i had a issue with placement api that is already resolved | 18:10 |
| josephillips | but this is the one error left on scheduler | 18:10 |
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| artom | mordred, hey, the functional tests in sdk - they hit a real devstack-deployed cloud in some of the zuul jobs in CI, right? | 18:20 |
| artom | Or am I completely misunderstanding the code? | 18:20 |
| mordred | artom: yup, that's right | 18:32 |
| artom | mordred, cool, thanks. That was one of the points that came out of the discussion on the nova room this morning - how to test the SDK in CI | 18:33 |
| artom | Good to know there's a framework already in place | 18:33 |
| artom | Though I think no multinode testing, right? So live migration for instance isn't tested | 18:33 |
| mordred | artom: all of the openstacksdk-functional-* jobs (and everything in openstack/tests/functional run against devstack | 18:33 |
| mordred | artom: that's right - but I imagine if there is a multi-node devstack job that sets up multinode it would not be hard to add one | 18:34 |
| artom | mordred, yeah, working on that now. | 18:34 |
| artom | (If it seems disorganized, that's because it is) | 18:34 |
| mordred | you're describing my life :) | 18:34 |
| artom | (Expect a flurry of WIP patches as I organise my thoughts by working trough them) | 18:34 |
| mordred | artom: looking forward to them | 18:35 |
| artom | mordred, awesome, thanks | 18:35 |
| mordred | artom: fwiw - we *always* run nova tests no matter what the devstack config is but we have a bunch of different devstack configs - so with neutron advanced services, with magnum, with senlin, with masakari etc | 18:35 |
| artom | I gotta take the kiddos to the park first though :P | 18:36 |
| mordred | but none of those configs don't have nova | 18:36 |
| artom | mordred, that sounds reasonnable | 18:36 |
| dansmith | artom: mordred: sounds like that's what we're looking for, and important to note that (apparently) sdk functional is more like nova integrated | 18:39 |
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| mordred | dansmith: english is hard | 18:51 |
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| alex_xu | sean-k-mooney: gibi sorry, just saw yulong's message, I tried chrome, but I think it is network issue. With intel proxy doesn't work, without proxy even can't open the page. but anyway we already switch to zoom :) | 19:23 |
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| CeeMac | Evening | 21:39 |
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| CeeMac | I'm trying to confirm some details on what exactly 'active' means in context to (I believe) how nova-usage reports cpu-hours, gb-hours etc to horizon for Admin | Overview | Usage Summary. My original understanding was that 'Active' equated to time instances spent in 'running' state it appears that may not be the case. Is anyone able to confirm as what documentation I could find wasn't clear. | 21:42 |
| CeeMac | When looking at usage over a period e.g for the previous month. | 21:43 |
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| CeeMac | Digging in to the api it looks like 'active' may relate to 'server_usages.state' but I can't find a list of alternative values to give that context. For example is an instance 'active' when it is shutdown, does it need to be shelved or deleted to change from 'active' state and not accumulate usage values? | 21:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | artom: if you need a multi node devstack just change the nodepool nodeset | 22:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | the devstack ansiable playbooks support muiltnode so it shoudl be easy to make the jobs multinode | 22:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | CeeMac: i think that is correct for CPUs but i think Ram and disk might be different | 22:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | shelving is intented to be the way for tenant to consume less resouces when a vm is not activly needed | 22:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | in a public cloud when an instnace is shelved you are normally only changed for the disk usage in glance and not the cpu/ram/devices consumed by the flavor | 22:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | since shut down vms still consume the cpu/ram/disk from a billing/usage point of view its more or less the same as if its running | 22:20 |
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| CeeMac | Thanks sean-k-mooney, I've just found a list of states in the api-ref parameters file. Just need to work out where the logic is queried so I can validate which of the states are 'counted', but in the interim I'll look into shelving options and document that up for our users. | 22:40 |
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| CeeMac | I guess while the instance is 'there' its effectively holding a reservation against the CPU and ram resources? Hence its metered for prospective billing/accounting purposes. | 22:42 |
| melwitt | CeeMac: afaict, the state is not considered, it's only the launched_at/terminated_at https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/simple_tenant_usage.py#L51 so shelving would be the way to stop/resume usage | 22:48 |
| melwitt | and you are correct, while the instance exists it is holding a reservation against resources. even when it's shut down | 22:52 |
| melwitt | the shelve API was added to provide an easier way to remove/restore an instance from holding resources | 22:53 |
| CeeMac | Thanks melwitt that seems to confirm it. OK, shelving it is then! | 22:53 |
| CeeMac | I like to try and understand the logic behind things when/where I can :) | 22:54 |
| melwitt | +1 :) | 22:55 |
| CeeMac | Oh, I remember reading about this a while back actually. Do you happen to recall the setting for how long an instance can remain shelved before it gets offloaded / deleted and what the default is? | 23:00 |
| melwitt | https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/configuration/config.html#DEFAULT.shelved_offload_time | 23:01 |
| melwitt | default is 0 for immediate offload | 23:02 |
| josephillips | melwitt: taking the oportunity about shelved offload | 23:02 |
| josephillips | is posible configure if a image is shelved move the storage backend too? | 23:03 |
| melwitt | not completely sure I understand the question but if you shelved a volume backed instance it will snapshot the volume as well | 23:06 |
| josephillips | yes | 23:06 |
| josephillips | but will keep on the same backend | 23:06 |
| josephillips | example if i shelved a image | 23:06 |
| josephillips | a vm sorry | 23:06 |
| josephillips | is a waste of resource keep on SSD | 23:06 |
| josephillips | i prefer move the volumes to a HDD backend | 23:07 |
| josephillips | this is posible? | 23:07 |
| melwitt | oh, I see. I'm afraid I don't know if there's a way to do that | 23:08 |
| CeeMac | So once the instance is offloaded there is another timer before it is completely deleted? Or it will stay shelved indefinitely? | 23:09 |
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| CeeMac | I seem to recall seeing a reference to that but can't find it now | 23:09 |
| melwitt | josephillips: I'm thinking I wonder if you could do like a volume migrate via the cinder API to accomplish that, after it's been shelved | 23:09 |
| josephillips | yeah is possible doing via cinder manually | 23:10 |
| josephillips | the idea is doing automatically | 23:10 |
| josephillips | via horizon | 23:10 |
| melwitt | oh, ok, yeah sorry. it would "seem" that could be a relatively easy thing to add to osc/horizon as kind of a batch operation | 23:11 |
| josephillips | yep | 23:11 |
| melwitt | CeeMac: I think it stays shelved indefinitely | 23:12 |
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| CeeMac | Great, thanks. I'll experiment some tomorrow. Sleep now :) | 23:14 |
| CeeMac | Thanks again for the help/info | 23:15 |
| melwitt | np, gnight o/ | 23:15 |
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