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| openstackgerrit | norman shen proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Adds spec for instance live resize https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/141219 | 00:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wenping Song proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Correct some spell errors https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/764117 | 04:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-vif master: Fix hacking min version to 3.0.1 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/os-vif/+/755168 | 05:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | wushiming proposed openstack/os-vif master: Remove the unused coding style modules https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/os-vif/+/760491 | 07:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Correct some spell errors https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/764117 | 10:18 |
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| gibi | I feel that the discussion about the DB creds for the nova-compute ML thread is going nowhere. I'm getting fustrated about it as I feel I just wasting time thinking about it. | 10:21 |
| stephenfin | amen :( | 10:22 |
| lyarwood | I've honestly kept away from it given the number of people already involved. | 10:25 |
| lyarwood | That said it is turkey week in the US so I assume that might be causing things to slow somewhat? | 10:25 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25202143 - something to think about for the next in person PTG | 10:26 |
| stephenfin | so what you're saying is, no better time to ram through whatever we want... 😈 | 10:26 |
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| stephenfin | Hahahaha | 10:27 |
| gibi | I like bonfire so I support the code burn | 10:27 |
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| stephenfin | It's effectively a book burning. Who doesn't love a good book burning. | 10:27 |
| gibi | the thing is that we already agreed (I think) that we don't merge the breaking change in W we wait for X. So I don't thing we can use Turkey week to sabotage everybody | 10:28 |
| gibi | but these are the "wrong books" so we have to burn them! | 10:28 |
| stephenfin | Oh, I was joking :-D That would be a terrible idea, heh | 10:28 |
| gibi | stephenfin: I know, hence the word sabotage :D | 10:29 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: now you tell me, I've already +W'd everything | 10:29 |
| stephenfin | phew | 10:29 |
| gibi | btw dansmith is out for the rest of the year and he was really active and helping in the ML thread so it is fully possible that if I ignore the thread for a while it will simply die out | 10:30 |
| gibi | but I'm not sure it looks good for a PTL to ignore this :/ | 10:30 |
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| bauzas | gibi: my personal take on this is that we made our responsibility in explaining the security risk | 10:37 |
| bauzas | the WSGI app issue is reasonable to fix | 10:38 |
| gibi | yes, I'm fully supportive to fix the sys.argv usage in WSGI regardless of the ML thread | 10:38 |
| bauzas | but then, if you feel you're entering a rathole, make a big signal in the Wallaby release that DB creds are exposed and tell we'll make it hardstop in X | 10:39 |
| gibi | that was a nice thing come out of the thread | 10:39 |
| owalsh | gibi: hey, I'm a bit confused by the conductor [api_database]connection discussion.... | 10:39 |
| bauzas | from a project perspective, we're just verifying the security exposure, that's it | 10:39 |
| gibi | bauzas: this is exaclty what Dan proposed on the ML and I now implemented in code | 10:39 |
| bauzas | gibi: this long talkative thread prevented me to read | 10:40 |
| gibi | bauzas: so in W it is just a warning, in X it is hard fail. | 10:40 |
| bauzas | then, we have actions | 10:40 |
| gibi | but we are getting push back on the hard fail still | 10:40 |
| owalsh | we need api db set for cell conductors for affinity checks, so how can we use it to determine if it's a cell/super conductor? | 10:40 |
| bauzas | gibi: we could revisit then on X | 10:40 |
| gibi | bauzas: yes, but I don't know how the discussion will be differnt :) | 10:41 |
| bauzas | gibi: don't waste your energy on it, and the patch in question that would turn hardstop would just be a gerrit change | 10:41 |
| gibi | owalsh: if you specify [api_database]connection to a nova-conductor service the it becomes a super conductor | 10:41 |
| bauzas | I'm personnally convinced that in terms of productivity, gerrit wins over IRC which itsels wins over emails | 10:41 |
| owalsh | gibi: dansmith and sean-k-mooney1 said it needs to be set on the cell conductor too | 10:41 |
| bauzas | never ever expect good things to happen from a long ML thread | 10:42 |
| gibi | owalsh: if your deployment needs affinity support and you are affraid of race condition in affinity then you need to make each conductor a super conductor | 10:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: compute: Don't detach volumes when RescheduledException raised without retry https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/757894 | 10:42 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin / gibi ; ^ added some additional context to this review btw, I still think it's better to be consistant here and let users clean things up by deleting their ERROR'd out instances. | 10:42 |
| bauzas | gibi: owalsh: I've seen the superconductor proposal, this is way not good at all | 10:42 |
| bauzas | because sometimes operators need flexibility | 10:43 |
| bauzas | and a project shouldn't be opiniating about the service grouping | 10:43 |
| gibi | lyarwood: ack | 10:43 |
| bauzas | (I mean, the service deployment grouping) | 10:43 |
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| kashyap | gibi: Wow, impacting seven separate groups with that ML thread ... bold decision ;-) | 10:43 |
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| bauzas | gibi: owalsh: I personnally feel that a "superconductor" option could be a thing for operators as a way to group a set of project options | 10:44 |
| gibi | bauzas: while I agree, ML threads has a wider reach than IRC and gerrit | 10:44 |
| bauzas | but it shouldn't be a thing for the project itself | 10:44 |
| bauzas | gibi: I'm not saying ML threads are unnecessary | 10:45 |
| bauzas | they're good for getting noticed | 10:45 |
| gibi | kashyap: that mail originally served as a heads up of the deployers and packagers, and it serverd that purpose well. | 10:45 |
| owalsh | bauzas: we need a f2f PTG :-) | 10:45 |
| gibi | owalsh: +100 | 10:45 |
| bauzas | but then, the debate should happen elsewhere in a gerrit change | 10:45 |
| bauzas | owalsh: gibi: you can't imagine how I feel nowadays | 10:45 |
| bauzas | and I just got notice that my usual ski trip around New Year will be over | 10:45 |
| bauzas | my mood is presently at the 3rd basement | 10:46 |
| kashyap | gibi: Oh, definitely. Wasn't criticizing, BTW :) | 10:46 |
| gibi | bauzas: I'm sorry to hear that :/ | 10:46 |
| stephenfin | bauzas: you ski too much anyway | 10:46 |
| kashyap | bauzas: "will be over" as in "it won't happen"? | 10:46 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: LOL | 10:46 |
| gibi | kashyap: no critic is taken. you and bauzas are right debating thing in that wide ML thread is a bold move | 10:46 |
| bauzas | stephenfin: I haven't done that since March, it's been too long | 10:47 |
| * gibi learnt snowboarding when he was 30 and then broke his ankle snowboarding at 31 | 10:47 | |
| bauzas | kashyap: it shouldn't happen as ski resorts will stay closed until mid-Jan as our president told yesterday | 10:47 |
| kashyap | It's okay; it serves as a record still. And writing out clarifies thinking :) | 10:47 |
| bauzas | gibi: next round, you'll be invited | 10:48 |
| kashyap | bauzas: Right; makes sense. As skii resorts were one of the "super-spreader" events back in March | 10:48 |
| gibi | bauzas: I would love to try again | 10:48 |
| bauzas | gibi: I did that for a couple of colleagues, I'm all up to redo this with a larger crew | 10:48 |
| bauzas | anyway, back to the topic | 10:49 |
| bauzas | gibi: anything worth for me reviewing about this ? | 10:49 |
| gibi | midcycle up in the french alps! | 10:49 |
| bauzas | I guess the WSGI config enablement is on its way, right? | 10:49 |
| gibi | WSGI needs a second core https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/763750 | 10:50 |
| bauzas | ack, looking | 10:51 |
| gibi | there is a non-dangerous func test refactor here https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/758210 | 10:52 |
| owalsh | gibi: re every conductor being a superconductor when api db is set - is that going to affect scaling? | 10:52 |
| gibi | owalsh: good question | 10:53 |
| * gibi is thinking | 10:54 | |
| gibi | owalsh: you might be able to still do conductor separation | 10:57 |
| owalsh | still have mq/db sharding I guess | 10:57 |
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| owalsh | and only the cell local computes are on the same mq | 10:58 |
| gibi | owalsh: if you have a conductor with an [api_database]connection config, but only configured to listen to the cell message bus, then that conductor will not get super-conductor type requests, but still can handled the upcalls for the late affinity check | 10:58 |
| gibi | I would love dansmith to confirm this ^^ | 10:59 |
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| gibi | as I'm not 100% certain | 10:59 |
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| owalsh | gibi: ack, thanks. Makes sense. I'll make a note to check with dansmith in 2021 :-) | 11:00 |
| bauzas | gibi: just begging for a relnote in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/763750 so we don't hide this fancy feature | 11:01 |
| bauzas | owalsh: gibi: I missed that point, dan is off until next year ? woah. | 11:02 |
| * bauzas won't say jokes about how long he thinks people take time off | 11:02 | |
| gibi | bauzas: he told me that he will be away on PTO from this week until end of the year | 11:03 |
| bauzas | that's good to know | 11:04 |
| gibi | bauzas: I can add a reno for the sys.argv patch sure | 11:04 |
| bauzas | I'm still facing unexpected and weird issues with the RPC API bump, I guess I'll defer it until he returns | 11:04 |
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| bauzas | because I'm out of steam on finding the problem | 11:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Wenping Song proposed openstack/nova master: Nova supports password encrypted VNC https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/622336 | 11:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Support sys.argv in wsgi app https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/763750 | 11:24 |
| gibi | bauzas: now with a reno ^^ | 11:24 |
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| gibi | bauzas: also if you are in a review mood, there is another test refactor series here. This is a bit bigger though https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22remove-fake-notifier%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) | 11:31 |
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| gibi | bauzas: and here is some testcoverage restored as a neutron bug has been fixed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/755995 | 11:39 |
| gibi | lyarwood: +2d https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/757894 then I realized the we have a possibly related fresh bug in the untriaged list https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1905224 | 11:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1905224 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "bfv instance create failed due to insufficient resources, the volume is always attaching" [Undecided,New] | 11:42 |
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| lyarwood | gibi: looking | 11:42 |
| gibi | "fresh" as it is reported from Pike | 11:43 |
| lyarwood | gibi:`I am in pike version` | 11:43 |
| lyarwood | yeah lol | 11:43 |
| gibi | fresh means freshly opened :D | 11:43 |
| gibi | sorry | 11:43 |
| lyarwood | so that's https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/743220 I think | 11:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Use _evacuate_server helper in func test https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/758210 | 11:45 |
| gibi | lyarwood: thanks! | 11:47 |
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| lyarwood | stephenfin: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/e035ff4079c2cc6b32db1f637a3e3a816c2af191/nova/api/validation/extra_specs/hw.py#L73-L77 - any reason we can't point at the o.vo types for this list of enums? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/e035ff4079c2cc6b32db1f637a3e3a816c2af191/nova/objects/fields.py#L271-L277 | 14:00 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: just wiring up a validator for my ephemeral encryption spec and didn't want to duplicate things between the two | 14:00 |
| stephenfin | None that I'm aware of. I simply didn't think to | 14:01 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: kk, might give it a go in a FUP | 14:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi Natsume proposed openstack/nova master: doc: Fix rendering in the PTL guide https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/764175 | 14:23 |
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| stephenfin | elod: lyarwood: Do you think you could look through https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%2522bug/1879878%2522+status:open+branch:stable/train this week? The stable/ussuri patches landed some time ago | 14:26 |
| stephenfin | (https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%2522bug/1879878%2522+status:merged+branch:stable/ussuri for reference) | 14:26 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: ack, can I trade https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/757894 | 14:26 |
| stephenfin | fair | 14:26 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: FWIW you were previously +2 on this but I can't see the vote since the upgrade | 14:27 |
| lyarwood | weird | 14:27 |
| stephenfin | I was thinking I'd reviewed this previously | 14:27 |
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| gibi | lyarwood: there is a show all messages button | 14:28 |
| stephenfin | ahhh | 14:28 |
| stephenfin | good spot | 14:28 |
| gibi | the new gerrit only shows the last X message in the log by default | 14:28 |
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| elod | stephenfin: i've gone through them a while ago, i don't remember exactly, but I think there is some patch that I would appriciate if some other stable core would also review, hence I gave +1 only | 14:30 |
| stephenfin | Hmm, I wonder are there any other stable cores around this week? Mel and Dan are both out, afaik | 14:31 |
| elod | (and maybe not all the patches were merged yet at that time, but if you say now they are, then I'll have another look :)) | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | Perhaps I can answer any questions if it's to do with the functionality itself? | 14:32 |
| lyarwood | elod: I think you were waiting for review on the bugfix itself, I've got that open now | 14:32 |
| lyarwood | oh no you had comments in there | 14:33 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/751367 | 14:33 |
| elod | yeah, that's the one, just wanted to link that | 14:34 |
| lyarwood | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/751367/2/nova/compute/manager.py#4527 sorry | 14:34 |
| * lyarwood is still finding his way with the new gerrit UI | 14:34 | |
| elod | but I have to read my comments as I've forgotten already what I wrote :) | 14:34 |
| stephenfin | Ah, I thought that was more of a note to self than a request for change. I can clarify the conflict in the commit message, sure | 14:35 |
| elod | yes, I have to get used to the new gerrit UI too o:) | 14:35 |
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| stephenfin | Although, for the sake of potentially saving me some effort, I'm not wrong in saying the cross-cell resize patches are the culprit. I'm just less specific than I could be :) | 14:36 |
| lyarwood | gibi: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/758971 - btw forgot to ask for a review of this releasenote update now that the device detach issue is resolved | 14:39 |
| gibi | lyarwood: on a call but look at it after it | 14:40 |
| lyarwood | gibi: ack thanks, no rush. | 14:40 |
| gibi | lyarwood: good catch +A | 14:51 |
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| gmann | gibi: fixed your comment on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/762721 | 15:01 |
| gibi | gmann: thanks +2 | 15:03 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:03 |
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| stephenfin | bauzas: Think you could look at https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/756549/ if you're in a reviewing mood? | 15:25 |
| bauzas | stephenfin: I'm always up for reviewinh | 15:26 |
| bauzas | that's like a icecream for me watching the TV while crying | 15:26 |
| bauzas | and singing "all by myself" along | 15:27 |
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| spatel | sean-k-mooney: morning | 16:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: releasenotes: Add fixes note for bug #1882521 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/758971 | 16:11 |
| openstack | bug 1882521 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failing device detachments on Focal" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882521 - Assigned to Lee Yarwood (lyarwood) | 16:11 |
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| stephenfin | bauzas, gibi: trivial amendment to that os-hypervisors spec here https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/764041 (I forgot about vcpus and vcpus_used | 16:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: db: Drop models for removed services, features https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/698706 | 16:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: db: Remove KeyPair model from main DB https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/763989 | 16:58 |
| stephenfin | ) | 16:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Fix config option default value for sample config file https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/762721 | 17:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/nova master: Reuse code from oslo lib for JSON policy migration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/763487 | 18:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Elod Illes proposed openstack/nova stable/victoria: Add upgrade check about old computes https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/761924 | 19:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: WIP libvirt: Skip encryption metadata lookups if secret already exists on host https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/764246 | 22:25 |
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