Monday, 2026-10-26

opendevreviewfivetime proposed openstack/nova master: api: Return 409 for a start or stop that lost a task state race  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/101222006:36
cw0306-lee[m]Hi, nova team! 10:29
cw0306-lee[m]I cannot access to wiki page, so where should I add content for irc meeting?10:29
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tkajinamcw0306-lee[m], wiki is shut off now. we probably need to create a launchpat and use it.11:12
tkajinamUggla, ^^^11:12
cw0306-lee[m]Thank you!11:58
opendevreviewKamil Sambor proposed openstack/nova master: Create an executor wrapper that has task limit per type  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/97592413:30
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Ugglagibi, elodilles, gmaan if you have a short moment to look at 1012286: Add Nova deadlines to the 2027.1 Indri schedule | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/101228614:47
elodillesi have to compare the dates, otherwise, renders well: https://storage.bhs.cloud.ovh.net/v1/AUTH_dcaab5e32b234d56b626f72581e3644c/zuul_opendev_logs_80c/openstack/80ceb20680254094b92fd44cd19e33b4/docs/indri/schedule.html15:06
elodillesUggla: spec review days differ from the ones that are mentioned in PTG page: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2027.1-ptg#L19115:10
elodilles'one day 1st week of december + one in jan' is written but we have 1st and 2nd week of January in the patch ^^^15:11
Ugglaelodilles, oops yes let me fix it15:12
elodillesadded as comment on the patch then o:)15:13
elodillesUggla: in return i'd appreciate an ACK / Code-Review+1 for the Epoxy transition patch o:) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/101092415:16
Ugglaelodilles, deal ;)15:17
UgglaI'm just finishing an etherpad for the meeting15:17
elodillesah, yeah, there is no wiki for now :'(15:18
Ugglayep I have done https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-meetings for the meeting. (it will be temporary or not....)15:20
elodilles+115:21
Ugglatkajinam, cw0306-lee[m] ^^^ 15:21
elodilleslooks nice ++15:21
gibiUggla: given the likely transition away from the wiki, do we want to rewamp the IRC topic as well? There are multiple etherpads linked that makes it super long. I would add the meeting etherpad there but that would made it even longer. Maybe we should have a single landing page linked to the IRC topic that further links to other places like the status, meeting and the ptg etherpads, the irc log 15:22
gibiplace, etc.15:22
Ugglagibi, sounds like a good idea, yep I will do that (probably after the meeting).15:23
gibicool15:24
UgglaI will add at the top of the useful links (ptg, status, etc...)15:25
tkajinamUggla, thanks !15:36
UgglaReminder: Nova upstream meeting in ~20min 15:36
opendevreviewDan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Change the instance_name_template default to use UUID  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/101136715:54
Uggla#startmeeting nova16:02
opendevmeetMeeting started Mon Oct 26 16:02:51 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Uggla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
opendevmeetUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
opendevmeetThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'16:02
UgglaHello everyone16:02
gibio/16:03
dansmitho/16:03
cw0306-leeo/16:03
UgglaNote: because of wiki is offline, meeting agenda is here: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-meetings16:03
gmaano/16:04
tkajinamo/16:04
elodilleso/16:05
UgglaLet's start16:05
Uggla#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)16:05
Uggla#info No critical bugs (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New&field.importance=Critical&orderby=-datecreated) were reported.16:05
Uggla#topic Gate status16:05
Uggla#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure — Nova gate bugs16:05
Uggla#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-ci-failures-minimal16:05
Uggla#link https://zuul.openstack.org/builds?project=openstack%2Fnova&project=openstack%2Fplacement&branch=stable%2F*&branch=master&pipeline=periodic-weekly&skip=0 — Nova and Placement periodic jobs16:06
Uggla#info Investigate gate failures and report bugs tagged gate-failure.16:06
Uggla#info Include a useful explanation when requesting a recheck.16:06
Uggla^ is important, because we would like to try to categorize failure16:06
Ugglaotherwise, I have just looked quickly at the gate and I have not seen issue. 16:07
UgglaAm i wrong ?16:07
gmaannot seen much last week, things were ok16:08
tkajinamyeah16:08
gibisean-k-mooney[m] had a fix16:09
gibifor some instability16:09
gibihttps://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-meetings16:09
gibinot that16:09
gibihttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/101149716:09
gibithis16:09
gibinot blocking the gate just fixes yet another race16:09
Ugglaok cool16:10
Ugglamoving on16:10
Uggla#topic Release Planning16:10
Uggla#link https://releases.openstack.org/indri/schedule.html16:10
Uggla#info The release schedule includes Nova-specific deadlines.16:11
Ugglanote: update planning patch in progress.16:11
Uggla#info The 2027.1 PTG planning pad is available and was also linked in the Nova channel topic.16:11
Uggla#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2027.1-ptg16:11
Uggla#topic Review priorities16:12
Uggla#info Starting: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2026.2-status#L16 interesting bugs to review16:12
UgglaRequest to review https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1004890, https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1004899 and https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1005073 , which are ironic backports of the perf fixes.16:12
Ugglathis is for ironic folks ^ (please have a look)16:12
Ugglahttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/1012286 — 1012286: Add Nova deadlines to the 2027.1 Indri schedule16:12
Uggla^ is the patch mentioned above for the timelines16:13
Uggla(tkajinam) libvirt version bump for Indri and cleanups16:13
Uggla    1008847: Bump MIN_{LIBVIRT,QEMU} for "Indri" | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/100884716:13
Uggla    1008862: Remove version check for old libvirt/qemu | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/100886216:13
Uggla    1008867: libvirt: Remove vTPM version detection for < 8.6.0 | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/100886716:13
Uggla    1009084: libvirt: Stop testing missing sev capability in libvirt < 10.0.0 | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/100908416:13
Ugglaand the patches for version bump from tkajinam16:13
tkajinamUggla, will you update the review priority etherpad for 2027.1 or will we keep the list in the meeting etherpad.16:14
tkajinamI think the priority etherpad still mentions its for 2026.216:14
tkajinamit's for *16:14
Ugglatkajinam yes I will clean/update it.16:14
UgglaI'm late on that one.16:15
tkajinamok then I'll move these items to the review etherpad later16:15
tkajinambut these are the patches I promised during PTG so any feedback is appreciated !16:15
gmaani like the gibi idea to have a single place (instead of channeltop[iuc) to link all these etherpads, something like https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova16:15
gmaan*topic16:15
Ugglagmaan I'm gonna update the topic right after the meeting. (need to remember the commands :)  )16:16
gmaanUggla: no issue, I can do once you are ready16:16
gmaananyways we can continue16:16
Ugglatkajinam, thanks for the patches. Hopefully they will be merged soon.16:17
Uggla#topic Stable Branches16:17
* Uggla is passing the mic to elodilles16:18
elodillesthx o/16:18
elodilles#info No stable gate problems were known at the time of the meeting.16:18
elodilles#info 2025.1 Epoxy transition to Unmaintained -> we have 2 merged but unreleased patches, but we are late to release them16:18
elodillesso i propose to accept the transition patch:16:18
elodilles#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/101092416:18
elodillesneeds liaison / PTL approve ^^^ o:)16:19
Uggla+1 on me side  ^16:19
elodilles#info Track stable branch status and gate failures in the following pad.16:19
elodilles#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-stable-branch-ci16:19
elodillesUggla: thanks :)16:19
elodillesand that was all from me16:19
Ugglathx elodilles16:19
opendevreviewLucas HENRY proposed openstack/nova master: Remove compute RPC 5.x compatibility from the client  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/101231816:19
Uggla#topic vmwareapi 3rd-party CI efforts Highlights16:19
Ugglahum it seems fwiesel is not available, so skipping this topic16:20
Ugglaskipping also next topic coz Layos is not available too.16:21
Uggla#topic Bug scrubbing16:21
Uggla#info The reported count is at 59 (-5).16:21
Uggla#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-bug-triage-roster16:21
Uggla#link https://truc.uggla.fr/ — Bug trend tracking16:21
* Uggla like the 6 months trend16:22
Uggla*likes16:22
Uggla#info The next public upstream bug-triage meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, October 28, 2026, 15:30–16:00 UTC.16:22
Uggla#link https://meet.google.com/zjr-rxus-hzj Video call16:22
Uggla#topic Open discussion16:23
opendevreviewLucas HENRY proposed openstack/nova master: Remove the compute RPC 5.x server endpoint  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/101232016:23
Uggla(Uggla) Nova-reviewers: expectations documentation and next steps.16:23
UgglaStephen Finucane is working on the documentation patch defining expectations for nova-reviewers.16:23
UgglaI would like us to move forward on this. I propose a deadline of three weeks from today (November 16, 2026) to have the first nova-reviewers members added.16:24
Ugglaany objection with ^16:24
gibiwhat happens if we hit the deadline?16:25
dansmithwithout having seen a proposal, and with others having raised concerns about what the process will be, I don't see how we can reasonably pick an arbitrary deadline16:25
Ugglamy goal is to try to progress on that one. And not keep that topic open for months. Deadline is just a note not something firm.16:26
gmaanI think deadline can be to have something proposed, 'adding a member' deadline seems odd to me16:27
gmaanproposed i mean doc proposed for process/policy16:28
dansmithwell, last time it seems like some people felt the deadline had passed and things were merged without consensus.. so, I wouldn't say it makes me feel good for you to say that16:28
Uggladansmith, and the idea is to not restart the same. So I will follow progress here every week.16:29
gmaanany deadline for merging the things, adding members can conflict with agreement like happened last time16:29
dansmithgmaan: ++16:30
gibifollowing progress and keep reminding people to review the proposal is good16:30
gmaan++16:30
gibiI don't see the value of an arbitray deadline that has no consequences and can be misunderstood of a time when we land what we have16:30
UgglaIt seems the issue is with the word "deadline". I'd suggest using "target" instead, as the idea is to set a goal rather than impose a strict deadline.16:31
dansmithplease don't "target" adding members either... target to have agreement on a proposal is good, but otherwise you're just working around the words, IMHO16:33
opendevreviewTakashi Natsume proposed openstack/nova master: Update contributor guide for 2027.1 Indri  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/100856916:34
UgglaYes, that's exactly what I had in mind. Sorry I didn't express it clearly. The first step is to reach an agreement on the proposal, and only then can we move forward with adding members.16:35
Ugglaok let's move to next topic.16:36
* Uggla is giving the mic to cw0306-lee16:37
cw0306-leeHi, nova team! I talked two things in vPTG and we decided to talk in irc meeting that not all nova cores participated on thursday.16:38
cw0306-leehttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/93992916:38
cw0306-leeFirst one was about reducing build falied value by time and need to get approval.16:39
cw0306-leeSecond one was about chage default value of [DEFAULT]update_resources_interval and I made draft code of it.16:40
cw0306-leehttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/101218516:40
cw0306-leeI want to get nova team's opinion and approval!16:40
gibiyeah I think the first is a sane proposal but I remember we had problem with that build failure code before 16:40
cw0306-leehttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/99163616:42
cw0306-leeWe had some difference opinion and got review on this spec.16:43
cw0306-leeAdd this in update_available_resources or make its own periodic job16:44
tkajinamSo IIRC we agreed the use case but didn't decide this can be spec-less or not.16:45
tkajinamI think some of the review comments there are a bit old one (a few months before PTG) so may be changed based on the discussion at PTG16:46
tkajinamunless people agree with the specless path now it may eventually follow normal bp route (update spec, get it again reviewed, the update implementations accordingly...)16:49
gibiI'm fine with the specless I just want other cores to like / dislike the idea in the change :)16:50
Uggladansmith, gmaan, any thoughts about ^ 16:51
dansmithI thought we agreed to specless at the ptg?16:52
tkajinam    We agree the use case.16:52
tkajinam    Specless blueprint probably ok.16:52
tkajinam    Revisit on a upstream meeting (I will schedule the topic)16:52
tkajinamThese are agreement note left in the etherpad16:53
dansmithheh okay.. I think my point was that if it is disable-able and off by default (which it is IIRC) then specless16:53
cw0306-leeIt will be diable-able and default is off!16:54
Uggladansmith so you somewhere like the idea in the change16:54
gibiOK seem like we are OK with the direction16:55
gibicool16:55
tkajinamfor update_resources_interval, I don't remember if we clearly agree with the update. Maybe we lack some evidence to justify the change ?16:56
dansmithI'm skeptical that any default is really appropriate for everyone, so I guess I revert to a "default" of no change16:56
tkajinamwe at least may need a bug with some data (scale, load, etc)16:57
tkajinambut yeah defining the best default is tricky and we may not change it often unless the existing value breaks 80% of deployments.16:58
cw0306-leeFor your reference, we talked in vPTG that 60 seconds is quite frequient so it can be reasonable to change like 300 seconds but we should talk with more people so talk in IRC.16:59
Ugglaor ML ?17:00
cw0306-leeI don't have mail list. I talked this first in irc and this was came from the spec's comment of reduce build failure value.17:01
cw0306-leenot irc in vptg17:01
dansmithunless the default is seriously inappropriate even for devstacks I'd say there's little reason to change it,17:02
cw0306-leeOk, thank you for your opinion!17:02
dansmithand it becomes a sort of "which deployer's preferred value is the default".. for stuff like this that is highly deployment-dependent, I'd say the "preferred default is for devstack" and recommend people evaluate it specifically for themselves17:02
Ugglawhat I meant, is that maybe a mail on openstack discuss could help get feedback17:02
Ugglaok time to close, I guess we are good for today.17:04
Ugglacw0306-lee ok for you ?17:04
cw0306-leeYes. Thank you!17:04
Ugglagood, thx17:04
cw0306-lee* cw0306-lee is giving the mic to Uggla17:05
Uggla:)17:05
UgglaThanks for joining. Have a nice day/evening.17:05
Uggla#endmeeting17:05
opendevmeetMeeting ended Mon Oct 26 17:05:29 2026 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:05
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gmaano/17:05
elodillesthanks o/17:05
tkajinamthanks17:06
gibithanks17:06
cw0306-leethanks!17:08
abhishekk(sorry for distraction), https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1011470 is ready and also decided during PTG for spec-less blueprint.17:15
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*** ChanServ changes topic to "This channel is for Nova development | Meeting info & useful links: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-meetings"17:36
Ugglagibi, gmaan, are you happy with the topic ?17:37
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gmaanUggla: thanks. nova-meetings as main etherpad can be confusing. I was thinking to have this central https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova etherpad similar to wiki which can have all info/links.17:39
gmaanand we can link this etherpad in contributor doc also https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/index.html17:39
gmaanand its content can change every cycle with new etherpads for status/review etc but main etherpad name/linkstays same17:40
Ugglaok make sens, I will update it in this way17:41
gmaanI was going to do the same for qa. means replacing wiki /qa with etherpad with same top level name 'qa'17:41
gmaanthat's my thought but we can see what gibi or other cores feel17:41
UgglaI think that's ok to have all useful link stuff on the nova /nova.17:42
UgglaI need to drop for today, but I'll make this tomorrow.17:43
gmaansure, no hurry. take rest17:45
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opendevreviewmelanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Speed up graceful shutdown functional tests  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/101234918:33
melwittgmaan: some idea for speeding up the openstack-tox-cover job, lmk if you imagine any problem about it ^18:34
gmaanmelwitt: seems good idea, checking18:37
melwittcool thank you18:38
opendevreviewmelanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Speed up graceful shutdown functional tests  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/101234918:40
gmaanmelwitt: thanks, this lgtm, one comemnt about cleanup https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1012349/comment/60981f0e_7999ec59/18:41
gmaanUggla: not sure if you used to update this wiki also if so we might need to migrate this otherwise let's link the main release schedule page here? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/2027.1_Release_Schedule 19:59
gmaanUggla: this comment https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1008569/comment/aaeecd09_5a2c7a2f/19:59
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opendevreviewMerged openstack/nova master: deprecate: concurrency_backend config option  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/101145021:28

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