| opendevreview | fivetime proposed openstack/nova master: api: Return 409 for a start or stop that lost a task state race https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1012220 | 06:36 |
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| cw0306-lee[m] | Hi, nova team! | 10:29 |
| cw0306-lee[m] | I cannot access to wiki page, so where should I add content for irc meeting? | 10:29 |
| *** ykarel__ is now known as ykarel | 10:35 | |
| tkajinam | cw0306-lee[m], wiki is shut off now. we probably need to create a launchpat and use it. | 11:12 |
| tkajinam | Uggla, ^^^ | 11:12 |
| cw0306-lee[m] | Thank you! | 11:58 |
| opendevreview | Kamil Sambor proposed openstack/nova master: Create an executor wrapper that has task limit per type https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/975924 | 13:30 |
| *** ralonsoh_ is now known as ralonsoh | 13:38 | |
| Uggla | gibi, elodilles, gmaan if you have a short moment to look at 1012286: Add Nova deadlines to the 2027.1 Indri schedule | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/1012286 | 14:47 |
| elodilles | i have to compare the dates, otherwise, renders well: https://storage.bhs.cloud.ovh.net/v1/AUTH_dcaab5e32b234d56b626f72581e3644c/zuul_opendev_logs_80c/openstack/80ceb20680254094b92fd44cd19e33b4/docs/indri/schedule.html | 15:06 |
| elodilles | Uggla: spec review days differ from the ones that are mentioned in PTG page: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2027.1-ptg#L191 | 15:10 |
| elodilles | 'one day 1st week of december + one in jan' is written but we have 1st and 2nd week of January in the patch ^^^ | 15:11 |
| Uggla | elodilles, oops yes let me fix it | 15:12 |
| elodilles | added as comment on the patch then o:) | 15:13 |
| elodilles | Uggla: in return i'd appreciate an ACK / Code-Review+1 for the Epoxy transition patch o:) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/1010924 | 15:16 |
| Uggla | elodilles, deal ;) | 15:17 |
| Uggla | I'm just finishing an etherpad for the meeting | 15:17 |
| elodilles | ah, yeah, there is no wiki for now :'( | 15:18 |
| Uggla | yep I have done https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-meetings for the meeting. (it will be temporary or not....) | 15:20 |
| elodilles | +1 | 15:21 |
| Uggla | tkajinam, cw0306-lee[m] ^^^ | 15:21 |
| elodilles | looks nice ++ | 15:21 |
| gibi | Uggla: given the likely transition away from the wiki, do we want to rewamp the IRC topic as well? There are multiple etherpads linked that makes it super long. I would add the meeting etherpad there but that would made it even longer. Maybe we should have a single landing page linked to the IRC topic that further links to other places like the status, meeting and the ptg etherpads, the irc log | 15:22 |
| gibi | place, etc. | 15:22 |
| Uggla | gibi, sounds like a good idea, yep I will do that (probably after the meeting). | 15:23 |
| gibi | cool | 15:24 |
| Uggla | I will add at the top of the useful links (ptg, status, etc...) | 15:25 |
| tkajinam | Uggla, thanks ! | 15:36 |
| Uggla | Reminder: Nova upstream meeting in ~20min | 15:36 |
| opendevreview | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Change the instance_name_template default to use UUID https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1011367 | 15:54 |
| Uggla | #startmeeting nova | 16:02 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Mon Oct 26 16:02:51 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Uggla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:02 |
| Uggla | Hello everyone | 16:02 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:03 |
| dansmith | o/ | 16:03 |
| cw0306-lee | o/ | 16:03 |
| Uggla | Note: because of wiki is offline, meeting agenda is here: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-meetings | 16:03 |
| gmaan | o/ | 16:04 |
| tkajinam | o/ | 16:04 |
| elodilles | o/ | 16:05 |
| Uggla | Let's start | 16:05 |
| Uggla | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:05 |
| Uggla | #info No critical bugs (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New&field.importance=Critical&orderby=-datecreated) were reported. | 16:05 |
| Uggla | #topic Gate status | 16:05 |
| Uggla | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure — Nova gate bugs | 16:05 |
| Uggla | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-ci-failures-minimal | 16:05 |
| Uggla | #link https://zuul.openstack.org/builds?project=openstack%2Fnova&project=openstack%2Fplacement&branch=stable%2F*&branch=master&pipeline=periodic-weekly&skip=0 — Nova and Placement periodic jobs | 16:06 |
| Uggla | #info Investigate gate failures and report bugs tagged gate-failure. | 16:06 |
| Uggla | #info Include a useful explanation when requesting a recheck. | 16:06 |
| Uggla | ^ is important, because we would like to try to categorize failure | 16:06 |
| Uggla | otherwise, I have just looked quickly at the gate and I have not seen issue. | 16:07 |
| Uggla | Am i wrong ? | 16:07 |
| gmaan | not seen much last week, things were ok | 16:08 |
| tkajinam | yeah | 16:08 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney[m] had a fix | 16:09 |
| gibi | for some instability | 16:09 |
| gibi | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-meetings | 16:09 |
| gibi | not that | 16:09 |
| gibi | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1011497 | 16:09 |
| gibi | this | 16:09 |
| gibi | not blocking the gate just fixes yet another race | 16:09 |
| Uggla | ok cool | 16:10 |
| Uggla | moving on | 16:10 |
| Uggla | #topic Release Planning | 16:10 |
| Uggla | #link https://releases.openstack.org/indri/schedule.html | 16:10 |
| Uggla | #info The release schedule includes Nova-specific deadlines. | 16:11 |
| Uggla | note: update planning patch in progress. | 16:11 |
| Uggla | #info The 2027.1 PTG planning pad is available and was also linked in the Nova channel topic. | 16:11 |
| Uggla | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2027.1-ptg | 16:11 |
| Uggla | #topic Review priorities | 16:12 |
| Uggla | #info Starting: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2026.2-status#L16 interesting bugs to review | 16:12 |
| Uggla | Request to review https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1004890, https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1004899 and https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1005073 , which are ironic backports of the perf fixes. | 16:12 |
| Uggla | this is for ironic folks ^ (please have a look) | 16:12 |
| Uggla | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/1012286 — 1012286: Add Nova deadlines to the 2027.1 Indri schedule | 16:12 |
| Uggla | ^ is the patch mentioned above for the timelines | 16:13 |
| Uggla | (tkajinam) libvirt version bump for Indri and cleanups | 16:13 |
| Uggla | 1008847: Bump MIN_{LIBVIRT,QEMU} for "Indri" | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1008847 | 16:13 |
| Uggla | 1008862: Remove version check for old libvirt/qemu | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1008862 | 16:13 |
| Uggla | 1008867: libvirt: Remove vTPM version detection for < 8.6.0 | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1008867 | 16:13 |
| Uggla | 1009084: libvirt: Stop testing missing sev capability in libvirt < 10.0.0 | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1009084 | 16:13 |
| Uggla | and the patches for version bump from tkajinam | 16:13 |
| tkajinam | Uggla, will you update the review priority etherpad for 2027.1 or will we keep the list in the meeting etherpad. | 16:14 |
| tkajinam | I think the priority etherpad still mentions its for 2026.2 | 16:14 |
| tkajinam | it's for * | 16:14 |
| Uggla | tkajinam yes I will clean/update it. | 16:14 |
| Uggla | I'm late on that one. | 16:15 |
| tkajinam | ok then I'll move these items to the review etherpad later | 16:15 |
| tkajinam | but these are the patches I promised during PTG so any feedback is appreciated ! | 16:15 |
| gmaan | i like the gibi idea to have a single place (instead of channeltop[iuc) to link all these etherpads, something like https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova | 16:15 |
| gmaan | *topic | 16:15 |
| Uggla | gmaan I'm gonna update the topic right after the meeting. (need to remember the commands :) ) | 16:16 |
| gmaan | Uggla: no issue, I can do once you are ready | 16:16 |
| gmaan | anyways we can continue | 16:16 |
| Uggla | tkajinam, thanks for the patches. Hopefully they will be merged soon. | 16:17 |
| Uggla | #topic Stable Branches | 16:17 |
| * Uggla is passing the mic to elodilles | 16:18 | |
| elodilles | thx o/ | 16:18 |
| elodilles | #info No stable gate problems were known at the time of the meeting. | 16:18 |
| elodilles | #info 2025.1 Epoxy transition to Unmaintained -> we have 2 merged but unreleased patches, but we are late to release them | 16:18 |
| elodilles | so i propose to accept the transition patch: | 16:18 |
| elodilles | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/1010924 | 16:18 |
| elodilles | needs liaison / PTL approve ^^^ o:) | 16:19 |
| Uggla | +1 on me side ^ | 16:19 |
| elodilles | #info Track stable branch status and gate failures in the following pad. | 16:19 |
| elodilles | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-stable-branch-ci | 16:19 |
| elodilles | Uggla: thanks :) | 16:19 |
| elodilles | and that was all from me | 16:19 |
| Uggla | thx elodilles | 16:19 |
| opendevreview | Lucas HENRY proposed openstack/nova master: Remove compute RPC 5.x compatibility from the client https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1012318 | 16:19 |
| Uggla | #topic vmwareapi 3rd-party CI efforts Highlights | 16:19 |
| Uggla | hum it seems fwiesel is not available, so skipping this topic | 16:20 |
| Uggla | skipping also next topic coz Layos is not available too. | 16:21 |
| Uggla | #topic Bug scrubbing | 16:21 |
| Uggla | #info The reported count is at 59 (-5). | 16:21 |
| Uggla | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-bug-triage-roster | 16:21 |
| Uggla | #link https://truc.uggla.fr/ — Bug trend tracking | 16:21 |
| * Uggla like the 6 months trend | 16:22 | |
| Uggla | *likes | 16:22 |
| Uggla | #info The next public upstream bug-triage meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, October 28, 2026, 15:30–16:00 UTC. | 16:22 |
| Uggla | #link https://meet.google.com/zjr-rxus-hzj Video call | 16:22 |
| Uggla | #topic Open discussion | 16:23 |
| opendevreview | Lucas HENRY proposed openstack/nova master: Remove the compute RPC 5.x server endpoint https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1012320 | 16:23 |
| Uggla | (Uggla) Nova-reviewers: expectations documentation and next steps. | 16:23 |
| Uggla | Stephen Finucane is working on the documentation patch defining expectations for nova-reviewers. | 16:23 |
| Uggla | I would like us to move forward on this. I propose a deadline of three weeks from today (November 16, 2026) to have the first nova-reviewers members added. | 16:24 |
| Uggla | any objection with ^ | 16:24 |
| gibi | what happens if we hit the deadline? | 16:25 |
| dansmith | without having seen a proposal, and with others having raised concerns about what the process will be, I don't see how we can reasonably pick an arbitrary deadline | 16:25 |
| Uggla | my goal is to try to progress on that one. And not keep that topic open for months. Deadline is just a note not something firm. | 16:26 |
| gmaan | I think deadline can be to have something proposed, 'adding a member' deadline seems odd to me | 16:27 |
| gmaan | proposed i mean doc proposed for process/policy | 16:28 |
| dansmith | well, last time it seems like some people felt the deadline had passed and things were merged without consensus.. so, I wouldn't say it makes me feel good for you to say that | 16:28 |
| Uggla | dansmith, and the idea is to not restart the same. So I will follow progress here every week. | 16:29 |
| gmaan | any deadline for merging the things, adding members can conflict with agreement like happened last time | 16:29 |
| dansmith | gmaan: ++ | 16:30 |
| gibi | following progress and keep reminding people to review the proposal is good | 16:30 |
| gmaan | ++ | 16:30 |
| gibi | I don't see the value of an arbitray deadline that has no consequences and can be misunderstood of a time when we land what we have | 16:30 |
| Uggla | It seems the issue is with the word "deadline". I'd suggest using "target" instead, as the idea is to set a goal rather than impose a strict deadline. | 16:31 |
| dansmith | please don't "target" adding members either... target to have agreement on a proposal is good, but otherwise you're just working around the words, IMHO | 16:33 |
| opendevreview | Takashi Natsume proposed openstack/nova master: Update contributor guide for 2027.1 Indri https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1008569 | 16:34 |
| Uggla | Yes, that's exactly what I had in mind. Sorry I didn't express it clearly. The first step is to reach an agreement on the proposal, and only then can we move forward with adding members. | 16:35 |
| Uggla | ok let's move to next topic. | 16:36 |
| * Uggla is giving the mic to cw0306-lee | 16:37 | |
| cw0306-lee | Hi, nova team! I talked two things in vPTG and we decided to talk in irc meeting that not all nova cores participated on thursday. | 16:38 |
| cw0306-lee | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/939929 | 16:38 |
| cw0306-lee | First one was about reducing build falied value by time and need to get approval. | 16:39 |
| cw0306-lee | Second one was about chage default value of [DEFAULT]update_resources_interval and I made draft code of it. | 16:40 |
| cw0306-lee | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1012185 | 16:40 |
| cw0306-lee | I want to get nova team's opinion and approval! | 16:40 |
| gibi | yeah I think the first is a sane proposal but I remember we had problem with that build failure code before | 16:40 |
| cw0306-lee | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/991636 | 16:42 |
| cw0306-lee | We had some difference opinion and got review on this spec. | 16:43 |
| cw0306-lee | Add this in update_available_resources or make its own periodic job | 16:44 |
| tkajinam | So IIRC we agreed the use case but didn't decide this can be spec-less or not. | 16:45 |
| tkajinam | I think some of the review comments there are a bit old one (a few months before PTG) so may be changed based on the discussion at PTG | 16:46 |
| tkajinam | unless people agree with the specless path now it may eventually follow normal bp route (update spec, get it again reviewed, the update implementations accordingly...) | 16:49 |
| gibi | I'm fine with the specless I just want other cores to like / dislike the idea in the change :) | 16:50 |
| Uggla | dansmith, gmaan, any thoughts about ^ | 16:51 |
| dansmith | I thought we agreed to specless at the ptg? | 16:52 |
| tkajinam | We agree the use case. | 16:52 |
| tkajinam | Specless blueprint probably ok. | 16:52 |
| tkajinam | Revisit on a upstream meeting (I will schedule the topic) | 16:52 |
| tkajinam | These are agreement note left in the etherpad | 16:53 |
| dansmith | heh okay.. I think my point was that if it is disable-able and off by default (which it is IIRC) then specless | 16:53 |
| cw0306-lee | It will be diable-able and default is off! | 16:54 |
| Uggla | dansmith so you somewhere like the idea in the change | 16:54 |
| gibi | OK seem like we are OK with the direction | 16:55 |
| gibi | cool | 16:55 |
| tkajinam | for update_resources_interval, I don't remember if we clearly agree with the update. Maybe we lack some evidence to justify the change ? | 16:56 |
| dansmith | I'm skeptical that any default is really appropriate for everyone, so I guess I revert to a "default" of no change | 16:56 |
| tkajinam | we at least may need a bug with some data (scale, load, etc) | 16:57 |
| tkajinam | but yeah defining the best default is tricky and we may not change it often unless the existing value breaks 80% of deployments. | 16:58 |
| cw0306-lee | For your reference, we talked in vPTG that 60 seconds is quite frequient so it can be reasonable to change like 300 seconds but we should talk with more people so talk in IRC. | 16:59 |
| Uggla | or ML ? | 17:00 |
| cw0306-lee | I don't have mail list. I talked this first in irc and this was came from the spec's comment of reduce build failure value. | 17:01 |
| cw0306-lee | not irc in vptg | 17:01 |
| dansmith | unless the default is seriously inappropriate even for devstacks I'd say there's little reason to change it, | 17:02 |
| cw0306-lee | Ok, thank you for your opinion! | 17:02 |
| dansmith | and it becomes a sort of "which deployer's preferred value is the default".. for stuff like this that is highly deployment-dependent, I'd say the "preferred default is for devstack" and recommend people evaluate it specifically for themselves | 17:02 |
| Uggla | what I meant, is that maybe a mail on openstack discuss could help get feedback | 17:02 |
| Uggla | ok time to close, I guess we are good for today. | 17:04 |
| Uggla | cw0306-lee ok for you ? | 17:04 |
| cw0306-lee | Yes. Thank you! | 17:04 |
| Uggla | good, thx | 17:04 |
| cw0306-lee | * cw0306-lee is giving the mic to Uggla | 17:05 |
| Uggla | :) | 17:05 |
| Uggla | Thanks for joining. Have a nice day/evening. | 17:05 |
| Uggla | #endmeeting | 17:05 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Mon Oct 26 17:05:29 2026 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:05 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2026/nova.2026-10-26-16.02.html | 17:05 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2026/nova.2026-10-26-16.02.txt | 17:05 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2026/nova.2026-10-26-16.02.log.html | 17:05 |
| gmaan | o/ | 17:05 |
| elodilles | thanks o/ | 17:05 |
| tkajinam | thanks | 17:06 |
| gibi | thanks | 17:06 |
| cw0306-lee | thanks! | 17:08 |
| abhishekk | (sorry for distraction), https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1011470 is ready and also decided during PTG for spec-less blueprint. | 17:15 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Uggla | 17:28 | |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "This channel is for Nova development | Meeting info & useful links: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-meetings" | 17:36 | |
| Uggla | gibi, gmaan, are you happy with the topic ? | 17:37 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o Uggla | 17:37 | |
| gmaan | Uggla: thanks. nova-meetings as main etherpad can be confusing. I was thinking to have this central https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova etherpad similar to wiki which can have all info/links. | 17:39 |
| gmaan | and we can link this etherpad in contributor doc also https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/index.html | 17:39 |
| gmaan | and its content can change every cycle with new etherpads for status/review etc but main etherpad name/linkstays same | 17:40 |
| Uggla | ok make sens, I will update it in this way | 17:41 |
| gmaan | I was going to do the same for qa. means replacing wiki /qa with etherpad with same top level name 'qa' | 17:41 |
| gmaan | that's my thought but we can see what gibi or other cores feel | 17:41 |
| Uggla | I think that's ok to have all useful link stuff on the nova /nova. | 17:42 |
| Uggla | I need to drop for today, but I'll make this tomorrow. | 17:43 |
| gmaan | sure, no hurry. take rest | 17:45 |
| *** mhen_ is now known as mhen | 17:53 | |
| opendevreview | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Speed up graceful shutdown functional tests https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1012349 | 18:33 |
| melwitt | gmaan: some idea for speeding up the openstack-tox-cover job, lmk if you imagine any problem about it ^ | 18:34 |
| gmaan | melwitt: seems good idea, checking | 18:37 |
| melwitt | cool thank you | 18:38 |
| opendevreview | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Speed up graceful shutdown functional tests https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1012349 | 18:40 |
| gmaan | melwitt: thanks, this lgtm, one comemnt about cleanup https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1012349/comment/60981f0e_7999ec59/ | 18:41 |
| gmaan | Uggla: not sure if you used to update this wiki also if so we might need to migrate this otherwise let's link the main release schedule page here? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/2027.1_Release_Schedule | 19:59 |
| gmaan | Uggla: this comment https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1008569/comment/aaeecd09_5a2c7a2f/ | 19:59 |
| -opendevstatus- NOTICE: The Gerrit service on review.opendev.org will be offline momentarily to restart onto updated container images, but should return within a few minutes | 20:07 | |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova master: deprecate: concurrency_backend config option https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1011450 | 21:28 |
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