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mgagne | mfisch: working at TWC? Do you know who is giving the talk? https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/Presentation/vdev-a-virtual-development-environment-in-an-openstack-cloud | 15:13 |
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mgagne | mfisch: before I swear I thought it was someone from my workplace ;) | 15:14 |
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mfisch | mgagne: no, it's Adam Vinsh, for some reason the speaker info vanished | 15:40 |
mfisch | he's ex-HP | 15:40 |
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mfisch | Anyone have any context on the BoD choosing Austin in a secret ballot discussion I see on twitter? | 17:41 |
mfisch | I'm not even sure what the vote was about | 17:43 |
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j05h | mfisch: just about where the next board meeting is. | 17:46 |
mfisch | thanks | 17:47 |
mfisch | I guess thats a long trip for Tristan | 17:47 |
j05h | i *think* the bigger deal is not doing it in the open. doesn't bug me one way or another, but i understand how folks want as much as possible as open as possible. | 17:48 |
j05h | the portrayal of some secret kabal nefariously trying to meet in Austin seems a bit overblown. | 17:48 |
mfisch | yes but its not a great precedent | 17:49 |
j05h | no argument there. | 17:50 |
mfisch | the odd thing is that it was secret, its not like they were voting to make someone king of openstack for life or something else equally strange and ridicilous | 17:50 |
j05h | true…but its also an easy thing to slip up on, because it doesn't really matter. | 17:51 |
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jlk | nobody probably would have noticed if it wasn't called out as a secret meeting in the announcement email. | 17:54 |
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mdorman | i haven’t read all the ML posts to understand the full contexnt. but my unfiltered opinion is that somebody just got their feelings hurt about their preferred location not being picked, and is not on a crusade about it ( there, i said it) | 17:55 |
mdorman | personally i dont’ think openness solely for the sake of openness is always an absolute necessity | 17:55 |
mdorman | s/not/now/ | 17:56 |
mdorman | i donno. bit of a soapbox issue for me. i just think there are more important pragmatic things to focus on | 17:56 |
mgagne | mdorman: =) | 18:00 |
j05h | mdorman: agreed, i mean, if there are concerns about lots of backchannel on the board, then fine… but reality is it will always exist. | 18:01 |
mgagne | I don't know if the procedure or way of doing has always been the same since the beginning or not. If so, it's "fun" to see how NOW it's a problem. | 18:02 |
mdorman | yeah. in any case. back to real work of manually fixing up nova quotas! | 18:03 |
mdorman | *eyeroll* | 18:03 |
mgagne | mdorman: we have to talk about theoretical problems with galera first | 18:03 |
jlk | why bother with theoretical, there are plenty of actual ones :) | 18:04 |
mdorman | jlk: +1 | 18:07 |
j05h | jlk: :D | 18:07 |
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jlk | Any of you know if it's possible to convince python-novaclient (the nova cli itself) or openstack client to paginate instance listing? We're getting 500s trying to list over 200 instances. | 18:19 |
jlk | (listing with --minimal succeeds) | 18:20 |
klindgren | hrm | 18:20 |
klindgren | we have over 1000 instances and ours is fine | 18:21 |
jlk | I suspect it's nova talking to neutron to get more data that's timing out and sending a 500 up | 18:21 |
klindgren | though we do get random 500's | 18:21 |
klindgren | was goign to say | 18:21 |
klindgren | we bumped neutron workers | 18:21 |
jlk | yeah, maybe we have a timeout to increase. | 18:21 |
klindgren | honestly fighting that right now | 18:21 |
klindgren | doesn't seem to help | 18:21 |
klindgren | we went from 30 second to 120 | 18:21 |
klindgren | still get the same errors | 18:22 |
jlk | ours is a tiny cluster, 3 nodes. We've got neutron-API on two of those nodes, and I think we have 3 API workers, Metadata workers is hilariously at CPU count right now, 30~ | 18:23 |
jlk | you think maybe we need more neutron-api workers? | 18:23 |
mgagne | but then someone will try to convince you that you want filtering, not pagination | 18:25 |
mgagne | which makes no sense if you really want to fetch the whole list for other purposes than UI. | 18:26 |
jlk | yeah... | 18:26 |
jlk | when filtering still returns over 200.... | 18:27 |
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klindgren | jlk we only use to see it when doing --all-tenants which would give us back everything | 18:33 |
klindgren | but that seemed to have improved | 18:33 |
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mdorman | jlk: there is also the general purpose “openstack client” which is supposed to be “better” than the individual service cli tools. however i don’t have much experience w/ it so i can’t speak to how good it is. but i have heard it has more advanced output/filtering options. | 18:33 |
jlk | I've been using it a bunch lately | 18:34 |
mgagne | I don't think a client can improve the server side performance :P | 18:34 |
jlk | because I'm mapping supernova over to it, so that it it can be used with a bunch of clouds | 18:34 |
jlk | mgagne: it does if it can paginate | 18:34 |
jlk | but I don't recall that being ported over | 18:34 |
jlk | also, hilariously, looks like openstackclient is coded for cinder v1 only, which makes it rather difficult to test my move to v2, since v1 is deprecated. | 18:35 |
mgagne | hilarious | 18:35 |
mdorman | heh | 18:35 |
mdorman | somehow, i am not surprised | 18:36 |
mdorman | what’s supernova? | 18:36 |
mgagne | lets try python-openstacksdk then | 18:36 |
jlk | mdorman: supernova was written a long time ago to wrap around novaclient and set the credentials and endpoints stuff per-execution | 18:41 |
jlk | so you could use it against multiple clouds or regions | 18:41 |
jlk | https://github.com/major/supernova | 18:42 |
mdorman | ah i see | 18:42 |
jlk | I'm working on a PR for it that changes it to "superstack" and wraps openstack client instead | 18:42 |
jlk | so you could do superstack raxdfw server list | 18:42 |
jlk | or superstack bbg-iad image list | 18:42 |
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mgagne | meta talk: https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/the-openstack-summit-talk-selection-process-is-broken | 18:51 |
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jlk | hahah | 18:54 |
jlk | wonder if that person has ever been a track chair | 18:54 |
jlk | ti's certainly a hard job | 18:54 |
mdorman | yeah i don’t envy those guys | 18:54 |
jlk | I did it for operators track in Paris, and then did it again for my own conference here in Seattle. I had to read through so many shit pitches. | 18:56 |
mdorman | i bet | 18:56 |
jlk | I even had some duplicates across the two shows, which was interesting | 18:57 |
mgagne | alright, finally done voting on all talks | 18:57 |
jlk | as a hint, at least in the operators track, we didn't look at the votes at all really | 18:57 |
jlk | because astroturfing | 18:57 |
mdorman | hah | 18:57 |
jlk | it's pretty apparent that the big companies use employee force to vote up talks. There were some pretty crap talks with LOTS of votes. | 18:57 |
mgagne | which is unfortunate | 18:58 |
mdorman | for sure | 18:58 |
mdorman | yeah i wish there was a btter way to filter out the sales pitch ones | 18:58 |
dmsimard | jlk: That's actually comforting (that the talks are not decided solely on votes) | 19:07 |
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klindgren | I typically try to look at who the speaker is - i they are head of product engineering or something that sounds like a salesy title - I typically dont go/vote for those | 19:14 |
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jlk | So here's a fun one. Recently when doing nova volume attach, it's doing the work, but when it tries to get volume info, I get back a 404 error, even though it successfully mounts the volume. What the hell client? | 19:23 |
dvorak | are the vote totals actually published? | 19:24 |
jlk | DEBUG (connectionpool:364) "GET /v2/7efae1d1945f49ed9fea4af0604d2236/volumes/9d716b7a-9843-42e8-bec6-0aaecd63b09e HTTP/1.1" 404 52 | 19:24 |
jlk | I can't for the life of me figure out why | 19:24 |
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jlk | oh interesting | 19:25 |
jlk | INTERESTING | 19:25 |
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jlk | when nova is doing it, it's trying to connect to 8777, when cinder does it, it's connecting to 8778. | 19:28 |
mgagne | jlk: using cells? =) | 19:28 |
jlk | my catalog for cinder shows 8778 | 19:28 |
mgagne | wut | 19:28 |
jlk | compute has 8777 | 19:28 |
jlk | so nova is trying to hit v2 volumes on it's own port. | 19:28 |
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jlk | DEBUG (session:190) REQ: curl -g -i --cacert "/opt/stack/ssl/openstack.crt" -X GET https://openstack.example.com:8777/v2/7efae1d1945f49ed9fea4af0604d2236/volumes/9d716b7a-9843-42e8-bec6-0aaecd63b09e | 19:29 |
jlk | I don't even. | 19:30 |
mgagne | the "volume info" using which client? novaclient? | 19:30 |
jlk | the get on 8777 is coming from python-novaclient, doing a volume-attach | 19:32 |
mgagne | could it be novaclient thinking it can proxies the request through nova to cinder? | 19:32 |
jlk | maybe, wonder if that's a paste api thing | 19:33 |
jlk | nope | 19:33 |
jlk | hrm. | 19:33 |
jlk | doing a show, I see hits to 8777/<tenant>/images | 19:34 |
mgagne | nova proxying again | 19:34 |
jlk | oh, compute supports images/flavors | 19:34 |
jlk | but not volume | 19:34 |
mgagne | what's in your catalog cinderv2 and volumev2 or is v1 still available too? | 19:35 |
jlk | I have both cinder and volume just set to the v2 API point | 19:35 |
jlk | because nova-api wasn't picking up on volumev2 | 19:35 |
jlk | and kept trying to use volume | 19:36 |
mgagne | could it be novaclient not knowing about cinder v2 and fallbacking to nova proxying? | 19:36 |
mgagne | what's the service type and service name for cinder? | 19:39 |
mgagne | trying to reproduce your issue | 19:39 |
jlk | geez, nova volume-list and nova volume-show both work | 19:39 |
jlk | oh huh, I DO have both volume and volumev2 | 19:40 |
jlk | cinder and cinderv2 respectively too | 19:40 |
jlk | even odder. | 19:45 |
jlk | nova --debug volume-show <id> makes a request to 8778, not 8777 | 19:45 |
mgagne | list and show looks to go to the right port on my side. trying to reproduce your attach reqeust | 19:46 |
jlk | alright | 19:46 |
mgagne | which logs did you find your entry in? | 19:49 |
mgagne | log file | 19:49 |
mgagne | getting 500 here | 19:49 |
jlk | it's client side | 19:49 |
jlk | the GET call on 8777 is all from client --debug | 19:50 |
jlk | the client is trying to do the get | 19:50 |
mgagne | mine (volume-attach) returns right after POST to http://compute:8774/v2/<tenant>/servers/<id>/os-volume_attachments with volume/attachment info | 19:54 |
mgagne | btw, isn't 8777 the telemetry service port? | 19:55 |
jlk | interesting. Wonder if it's client code version | 19:55 |
jlk | no, in our env we frontend nova on 8777 with https to haproxy, haproxy backs it to 8774 | 19:56 |
mgagne | I think your got your endpoint wrong and changed the port for other reason | 19:56 |
jlk | catalog lists 8777 for nova | 19:56 |
mgagne | you trying to confuse me! :O | 19:56 |
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mgagne | could be ceilometer responding with 404 :D | 19:56 |
jlk | we aren't running ceilometer | 19:56 |
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mgagne | you are blessed | 19:57 |
mgagne | novaclient from master? | 19:58 |
jlk | I'm going to try that next | 19:59 |
mgagne | which version then? | 19:59 |
jlk | doing a fresh pip install in a venv | 19:59 |
jlk | um... | 19:59 |
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jlk | actually I think we're just taking whatever is in pip | 20:00 |
mgagne | how convenient... https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/commits/master/novaclient/v2/volumes.py | 20:00 |
mgagne | OH! I got the 404! | 20:05 |
mgagne | before: python-novaclient==2.20.0 // after: python-novaclient==2.21.0 | 20:05 |
mgagne | something went wrong between those versions | 20:05 |
jlk | ah hah! nice grab | 20:06 |
mgagne | but we lost the goddamn history | 20:06 |
jlk | .... | 20:06 |
mgagne | I bet someone copied the files instead of moving them | 20:06 |
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jlk | git log --follow doesn't help? | 20:08 |
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jlk | mgagne: goddamn, you're right, 2.20.0 totes works. | 20:12 |
jlk | damn, follow doesn't help | 20:13 |
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mgagne | I think I found the commit | 20:16 |
mgagne | lemme check again | 20:16 |
jlk | don't share, I want to see if I get the same one | 20:16 |
mgagne | was 2ms from sending | 20:16 |
jlk | heh, 75727c2d37eb616fc2d0573200db44552e106e91 ? | 20:17 |
mgagne | nope | 20:17 |
jlk | drats | 20:17 |
mgagne | well, I could be wrong too. I took the git log and bisect | 20:17 |
jlk | yeah I was guessing just on timestamp on changes | 20:17 |
mgagne | you are too far down the history | 20:18 |
jlk | I think the only other one it could be (if it's the 1_1 changes, is ae6c39397e9ae60a4e987d0f1af3086b70019571 | 20:19 |
jlk | oh you think it's after the v2 move? | 20:19 |
mgagne | it's not the move itself | 20:19 |
mgagne | but yes, after that | 20:19 |
mgagne | what I did: attach -> detach -> pip install git -> rinse and repeat | 20:19 |
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mgagne | what's hilarious is that the change looks to be totally unrelated to volume management | 20:21 |
jlk | of course, it always is | 20:22 |
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jlk | well, don't let me waste more time, what change did you find? | 20:22 |
mgagne | https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/commit/578390ee7e74c0998b9590f0327449ae19a5c8f0 | 20:23 |
jlk | I... what? | 20:24 |
mgagne | http://paste.openstack.org/show/180757/ | 20:25 |
mgagne | the cache is properly used somewhere else for other purposes than completion | 20:25 |
jlk | what about with caching disabled? | 20:25 |
mgagne | haha, properly -> probably | 20:25 |
jlk | we have export OS_NO_CACHE=True | 20:26 |
mgagne | and no, it's not properly used :D | 20:26 |
mgagne | just try with the commit and the previous one | 20:26 |
jlk | could it be that at that change your cached data is no longer good | 20:26 |
mgagne | oh... | 20:27 |
mgagne | you could be very right | 20:27 |
mgagne | how about I clear my cache and try again | 20:27 |
jlk | however | 20:27 |
jlk | I do get a 404 with that commit | 20:27 |
jlk | even after clearing cache | 20:28 |
mgagne | same here | 20:28 |
mgagne | I tried deleting cinderclient cache too | 20:28 |
jlk | and the previous one works | 20:29 |
jlk | so it's definitely the cache, even though I have cache disabled | 20:29 |
jlk | maybe nothing reads that anymore | 20:29 |
mgagne | does .novaclient get recreated? | 20:29 |
jlk | yeah | 20:29 |
jlk | it's still caching | 20:29 |
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mgagne | why if cache is disabled? =) | 20:29 |
jlk | maybe because this isn't auth token cache | 20:30 |
jlk | it's a different cache | 20:30 |
mgagne | can't grep OS_NO_CACHE in novaclient | 20:30 |
jlk | it's caching human-id, server-id, volume-id | 20:30 |
mgagne | how about we question the fact that no test caught that one =) | 20:30 |
jlk | I saw something on this recently | 20:31 |
jlk | it's certainly not caching the token any where | 20:31 |
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mgagne | hahaha https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/commit/ac6636a54d72ba76d0adca76e07d1d26d9ea35c3 | 20:33 |
mgagne | latest commit in master | 20:33 |
mgagne | should have tested master too | 20:33 |
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jlk | those appear to be written out for bash completion | 20:34 |
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jlk | oh geez | 20:34 |
mgagne | and it's working fine with this commit | 20:34 |
mgagne | This reverts commit https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/commit/4c8cefb98a425382204df2f38f24e6b5b71520dd. | 20:34 |
jlk | yeah | 20:34 |
mgagne | we are too late to the show | 20:34 |
jlk | sigh | 20:34 |
jlk | figured somebody would find this. | 20:34 |
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jlk | 4 days ago tho | 20:35 |
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jlk | make with the pip update already | 20:35 |
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jlk | seriously, api grabs for bash completion. | 20:36 |
jlk | fuck that | 20:36 |
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mgagne | thanks alaski for that one | 20:36 |
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mgagne | yep... what about non-interactive usage. doesn't need autocompletion | 20:38 |
jlk | I can't see a way to turn it off | 20:39 |
jlk | even if we move it to /dev/null | 20:39 |
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alaski | mgagne: :) | 20:43 |
jlk | alaski: is there a way to flat out turn off tab completion caching? | 20:44 |
alaski | jlk: I think a new client will get pushed out soon, the revert just merged earlier today | 20:44 |
alaski | jlk: not without modifying code (that I'm aware of) | 20:44 |
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alaski | jlk: best bet for now is to go back to 2.20 | 20:45 |
jlk | nod | 20:45 |
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mfisch | anyone here switched to the cinderv2 api? | 23:20 |
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