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| jlk | mfisch: I am doing that today | 03:56 |
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| jlk | mfisch: or rather have been working on that most of today, and got lost in that novaclient bug | 03:56 |
| jlk | other than that, seems okay if you just change your endpoint record from v1 to v2 in the catalog | 03:57 |
| mfisch | jlk: let me forward you this email I'm prepping for the ml | 03:57 |
| mfisch | thats what Im considering | 03:57 |
| jlk | and set the client ENV var | 03:57 |
| jlk | https://github.com/blueboxgroup/ursula/pull/812 | 03:57 |
| mfisch | sure you can do that but thats bs | 03:57 |
| mfisch | the client should just fugure it out | 03:57 |
| jlk | I consider most the client stuff to be BS | 03:58 |
| mfisch | I have v1 and v2 in the cat | 03:58 |
| jlk | novaclient is deficient, and deprecated. openstackclient doesn't seem to even support cinder v2 | 03:58 |
| mfisch | my biggest worry is that cinder v2 is really keystone v3 | 03:59 |
| jlk | https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/tree/master/openstackclient/volume | 03:59 |
| mfisch | meaning unused, untested | 03:59 |
| jlk | hrm, I expose keystone v3, as it's own named endpoint | 03:59 |
| jlk | but I don't have any services using v3 | 03:59 |
| mfisch | right | 03:59 |
| jlk | and things still seem to work with veinderv2 | 03:59 |
| jlk | ah I see | 03:59 |
| mfisch | thats what I dont want cinder v2 to be but I dont know much about it | 03:59 |
| jlk | I thought I saw something that in kilo dev nova would use v2 cinder in the gate | 03:59 |
| mfisch | I dont consider setting --api-version a valid solution | 03:59 |
| jlk | my biggest concern is that openstackclient doesn't even support v2 yet | 04:00 |
| mfisch | well then I dont know how they feel okay with deprecating it | 04:00 |
| jlk | because when that decision was made, openstackclient likely didn't exist | 04:01 |
| jlk | and cinderclient could easily handle v2 | 04:01 |
| mfisch | it can | 04:01 |
| jlk | it's not really cinder's vault that openstackclient is slow to the game | 04:01 |
| mfisch | but I dont plan on telling all my users to pass in an argument becuase the client is dumb | 04:01 |
| jlk | yah | 04:05 |
| jlk | I'm not sure how we're going to play that one | 04:05 |
| jlk | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1424920 | 04:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1424920 in python-openstackclient "Support volume v2 API" [Undecided,New] | 04:06 |
| mfisch | thats not my largest worry about this | 04:07 |
| mfisch | but its an annoyance | 04:07 |
| jlk | our users are small and relatively easy to train. We might look into patching horizon to stick the volume version thing in the openrc it'll generate. | 04:08 |
| mfisch | thats doable too | 04:09 |
| mfisch | I think swapping the endpoint is a valid solution too but it wont work if anyone has the endpoint saved off in a script for some reason | 04:09 |
| mfisch | not sure if that is a real worry | 04:09 |
| mfisch | the bottom line is that I dont like deprecations ;) | 04:09 |
| jlk | well | 04:10 |
| jlk | we leave the v1 working in paste.ini, because upstream hasn't disabled it yet | 04:10 |
| jlk | but we just don't /publish/ it in the catalog any more | 04:10 |
| jlk | I don't like deprecations either. More things should work with a discovery on the unversioned endpoint URL | 04:11 |
| jlk | like keystone, but christ if I can make clients figure that out | 04:11 |
| mfisch | That option makes sense | 04:11 |
| jlk | fully adopting keystone v3 is going to be a nightmare. | 04:11 |
| mfisch | would you also rename the v1 endpoint? | 04:11 |
| jlk | auth_url is littered everywhere. | 04:11 |
| mfisch | I still plan on winning the powerball before that one | 04:12 |
| jlk | lol | 04:12 |
| jlk | maybe I'll work it out and pitch that for Tokyo. That should get me in. | 04:12 |
| mfisch | jlk: I think I might send that mail I sent you to the list since its a topic other folks are thinking about | 04:12 |
| jlk | yeah, I think it's a good post. I'll respond in the morning with our work in progress | 04:12 |
| jlk | My PR failed tests for some reason, other than broken nova client. | 04:12 |
| mfisch | thx for the chat | 04:13 |
| jlk | oh lordy | 04:13 |
| jlk | apparently you NEED a volumev2 endpoint? | 04:14 |
| jlk | I don't understand that | 04:14 |
| jlk | but alright. | 04:14 |
| mfisch | I didnt try removing that | 04:14 |
| mfisch | thanks for the info | 04:14 |
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| mfisch | howabout developers never change anything ever again | 04:14 |
| jlk | srsly | 04:14 |
| mfisch | where's the option | 04:14 |
| mfisch | #operatorlife | 04:14 |
| mfisch | then again I'm still employed | 04:14 |
| jlk | I'm afraid that if I leave volume v1 in place, nova-api won't use volumev2, because there is no way to /direct/ nova to use it | 04:15 |
| jlk | it just looks for volume or volumev2 in context | 04:15 |
| jlk | so maybe I have to set volume to the v2 path and volumev2 to the v2 path. because... developers. | 04:15 |
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| mfisch | maybe some cinder-ellas will weigh in | 04:17 |
| mfisch | keystoners ended up with a much better name | 04:17 |
| jlk | hah | 04:18 |
| mfisch | jlk: I didnt even start testing other services so please mention that when you reply | 04:19 |
| jlk | ah okay | 04:19 |
| mfisch | I also noticed our cinder scheduler was still the old Simple one | 04:19 |
| jlk | off the top of my head, I think just heat, nova, maybe cellometer make use of it? | 04:19 |
| jlk | we don't run heat or cellometer, so all we would test is nova and horizon | 04:19 |
| mfisch | I dont think we need any features in it right now | 04:20 |
| mfisch | but we're going to have different volume types soon | 04:20 |
| jlk | I've also been playing with encrypted volumes | 04:20 |
| jlk | where nova does the encryption, cinder is aware of it | 04:20 |
| mfisch | we've not tried that, well I havent anyway | 04:22 |
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| jlk | we have it working with v1, haven't tried with v2 | 04:28 |
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| dvorak | mfisch: seems like someone should have validated all this worked before planning to have different volume types. | 04:35 |
| mfisch | dvorak: the v2 thing isnt the volume type issue, but our scheduler is | 04:39 |
| mfisch | I've sent that info to the right people on our team anyway | 04:39 |
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| andrewbogott | I just had a whole compute node’s worth of VMs drop off the network. The node itself seems fine… anyone have troubleshooting suggestions? | 06:59 |
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| mgagne | jlk: so cinder v1 is deprecated and novaclient doesn't support v2 yet? | 17:09 |
| klindgren__ | Argh - for those running juno (specifically neutron) in a medium sized environment and have a large number of workers and are getting timeouts - dial back the number of workers. | 17:12 |
| mgagne | jlk: just read the email, ignore me | 17:14 |
| jlk | klindgren__: haha, whut? | 17:14 |
| jlk | klindgren__: which workers? | 17:14 |
| klindgren__ | jlk since upgrading to juno we have been getting errors usually around metadata but others as well | 17:15 |
| klindgren__ | about timeouts talking to neutron | 17:15 |
| jlk | andrewbogott_afk: I'd expect that the network bridge devices went kaboom. | 17:15 |
| klindgren__ | we have 3 app servers running 60 api/rpc workers for neutron | 17:15 |
| klindgren__ | each. I cut those workers down from 60 to 8 and the timeouts so far have bascially stopped | 17:16 |
| jlk | ah. Our clusters are much smaller, 3 nodes total for many, 6~10 for others. | 17:16 |
| jlk | we have our workers turned down to maybe 5 per control node (2 control nodes) | 17:16 |
| mdorman | more workers not always better :) | 17:16 |
| mdorman | apparently | 17:16 |
| jlk | klindgren__: I wonder if you're running into sql contention | 17:16 |
| jlk | or whatever else those workers do to talk back to the API | 17:17 |
| klindgren__ | yea - I had read some stuff around that | 17:18 |
| klindgren__ | our issues in a way is self imposed | 17:19 |
| klindgren__ | we store stuff in metadata to change some stuff on the vm's | 17:19 |
| klindgren__ | so the vm's poll metadata ~every 10 minutes | 17:19 |
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| jlk | ah | 17:19 |
| klindgren__ | we staggered them to not slams the api's all at once | 17:20 |
| klindgren__ | but it does def drive up load on services | 17:20 |
| klindgren__ | and since every metadata request is a request to enutron.... | 17:20 |
| klindgren__ | neutron* | 17:20 |
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| mgagne | Anyone running Icehouse from UCA on Precise? I found the ipxe-precise package to be missing from UCA which looks to be required with live migration from old QEMU (1.0-1.5) to QEMU 2.0 | 18:26 |
| mgagne | otherwise live migration fails because it's looking for /usr/share/qemu/pxe-virtio.rom.12.04 which is missing | 18:28 |
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| jlk | I read about that | 18:40 |
| jlk | I can't recall where, but there was a good write up on how to get that all working, and yes it does include grabbing that file from an old package | 18:40 |
| mgagne | found the email from Joe Topjian and replied =) | 18:41 |
| mgagne | I flagged the email months ago since we had the same issue. But we just ended up pinning the package to avoid dealing with this mess. | 18:43 |
| jlk | hah | 18:52 |
| jlk | hilarious | 18:53 |
| jlk | put v2 in the endpoint for volume. nova volume-* works. | 18:53 |
| jlk | cinder bitches about there not being a volumev2 endpoint | 18:53 |
| mgagne | btw, glad to see that email in openstack-dev about novaclient testing | 18:53 |
| mgagne | jlk: didn't Mike Perez send an email about fixing it? (cinder v2 in novaclient) | 18:55 |
| jlk | yeah, fixing it "next month" | 18:56 |
| mgagne | jlk: what I find concerning though is the fact that some deprecation path aren't fully thought or working. | 18:56 |
| jlk | which doesn't help me with issues today :/ | 18:56 |
| mgagne | jlk: it shows a serious lack of concerns for people actually using the software | 18:56 |
| mgagne | jlk: or understanding of the whole openstack picture and its moving parts | 18:57 |
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| klindgren | mgagne, you mean - people actually use these things together?!?! People run prod on this sh*t?! | 19:12 |
| mgagne | klindgren: unfortunately yes | 19:12 |
| klindgren | I saw someone on the mailing list - something about ITAR and PCI compliance | 19:13 |
| mgagne | klindgren: packaging is currently a one man show here =) | 19:13 |
| klindgren | and I was thinking - you know I wouldn't wantto be running openstack in a PCI environment | 19:13 |
| klindgren | that would not be cool | 19:13 |
| mgagne | jlk: I propose a challenge: all OpenStack projects/services should show the example and use openstackclient in M release =) | 19:16 |
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| jlk | FFFFFFfffff | 19:26 |
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| jlk | oh I get it. You have to define catalog_info in [cinder] to convince nova-api to use the v2 end point instead of the v1. | 19:44 |
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| mgagne | jlk: yes or use cinder_endpoint_template | 19:45 |
| jlk | aaand I bet that default is in oslo somewhere | 19:46 |
| mgagne | afaik, no | 19:46 |
| mgagne | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/volume/cinder.py#L40-L47 | 19:47 |
| jlk | that defines the option, but not hte default | 19:48 |
| jlk | trying to follow the code, I can't figure out what the default is | 19:48 |
| jlk | oh christ, I'm blind. | 19:48 |
| mgagne | didn't want to say it =) | 19:48 |
| jlk | yeah, in juno the default is volume:cinder:publicURL | 19:49 |
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| georgem1 | anybody running 2 x 10 Gb bonded and trunked with openvswitch and can give some feedback on performance? | 20:44 |
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| klindgren | mgagne, was your rabbitmq issue a version of oslo.messaging leaking connectors? | 22:48 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: yes, we are getting it by the other team, thanks =) | 22:49 |
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| klindgren | what version of oslo.messaging are they using? | 22:50 |
| klindgren | was looking at trying to package the latest tage (1.6) to see if it solves some issues for us | 22:50 |
| klindgren | want to make sure in that same vein I dont totally blow myself up :-) | 22:51 |
| mgagne | looks to be 1.5.1 | 22:52 |
| mgagne | I think the other team complained that they had to pin to a commit as no recent release were available on pypi | 22:54 |
| klindgren | thanks - much | 22:54 |
| klindgren | yea looks like branch stable/juno is more update to date than the latest tag :-/ | 22:54 |
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| mgagne | about the bug with live migration I had earlier, it looks like the source isn't running pc-1.0 but pc-i440fx-1.5. And I'm getting this error: Length mismatch: 0000:00:03.0/virtio-net-pci.rom: 20000 in != 40000 | 22:56 |
| mgagne | so the compat patch precise -> trusty isn't working for us =( | 22:56 |
| mgagne | it expects pc-1.0 | 22:57 |
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