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| mihalis68 | good morning | 14:57 |
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| mihalis68 | or possibly good evening | 14:57 |
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| mihalis68 | is anyone around for the ops meet up meeting? | 15:00 |
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| mihalis68 | good evening! | 15:03 |
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| shintaro | hi | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | there don't appear to be many people here. 3 I think | 15:04 |
| shintaro | o | 15:04 |
| shintaro | oh | 15:04 |
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| mihalis68 | make that 2 | 15:08 |
| shintaro | so I guess not enough to vote for the next meetup | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | I would agree. Sometimes people pop up at 15 minutes past the hour, 20 minutes past, that kind of time | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | I think we need a new team to be honest | 15:10 |
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| mihalis68 | it seems that tom, matt VW, Matt J are all permanently awol | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | and now possibly mrhillsman too? | 15:11 |
| mrhillsman | sorry | 15:12 |
| shintaro | wow | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | i was in a meeting | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | if we don't get enough people, I will still start the meeting, propose that we don't have enough people, then close it. I can then mail the mailing list explaining that turnout is too low | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | so 3 or 4 of us now? | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | izaakk you around? | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | is there a way to list the active connections on a channel? | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | idk | 15:14 |
| izaakk | o/ | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | izaakk ... | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | I can only get in via a web client from the office (irc cloud) | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | nvm | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | all present raise hands | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | i use irccloud now as well | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | o/ | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:14 |
| shintaro | o/ | 15:14 |
| izaakk | o/ | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | alright | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 15:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 15:15:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:15 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | #chair mihalis68 mrhillsman | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | This weeks agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | kidding :) | 15:15 |
| VW | sorry mrhillsman / mihalis68 | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | please put your name in the list of attendees | 15:15 |
| VW | I'm here | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | hey VW! | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | hey VW :) | 15:15 |
| VW | timezone math figured out! | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | yay | 15:16 |
| mrhillsman | totally bombed on my agenda item | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | #topic review last weeks actions | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | me too | 15:16 |
| mrhillsman | totally bombed on my agenda item | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | I did email the list with the minutes, and suggested we try to agree a venue this week | 15:16 |
| mrhillsman | will definitely send today however | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | however that wasn't an action! | 15:16 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | VW have you reviewed the hosting proposal for mexico? | 15:17 |
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| mihalis68 | we seem to have a weird but possibly wonderful opportunity | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | two venues can host at no charge | 15:17 |
| VW | woot! | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | which is great and they both look just fine | 15:17 |
| VW | so we are going with Mexico | 15:17 |
| VW | not Seattle? | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | emagana was going to check them both for issues like travel and accommodation nearby | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | Seattle can | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | can't happen as Intel withdraw that offer entirely | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | the only offers on the table are mexico (two venues) | 15:18 |
| VW | cool | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | #topic mexico meetup | 15:19 |
| shintaro | both are in mexico city | 15:19 |
| shintaro | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdMCOTPP_ZmeF2Ak1mQB1bCOFHDkA5P2l6n6kdb8Kls/edit# | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | I suggest there are not enough people present this week to lock in one of the venues | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | yes both in mexico city | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | however mexico city is huge and I personally wanted to get that info on how those venues look from travel and accommodation perspective | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | anyone else? | 15:20 |
| izaakk | We need to make the decision, and go from there. Mexico City team is having meetings with both venues. I say let's start email thread about it | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | izakk do you have any comments on the venues? In particular, are they both in areas that are easy enough to get to with good nearby accommodation? | 15:21 |
| izaakk | They are really good in location. But I can provide more info about it | 15:21 |
| shintaro | both looks good but need more info like how many breakout rooms available | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | but yes, if we can get this discussion going via email, all the better | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | izaakk could you kick that off? I suggest mailing the entire list (openstack-operators) and asking people to reply if they are interested | 15:22 |
| izaakk | Yes, please send all the questions you have about the venues and I'll get the answers thru email | 15:22 |
| izaakk | Yes I can | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | it's not clear to me who all the "active" members of the meetups team are right now | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | hence mailing the main list | 15:22 |
| izaakk | Ok | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | #action izakk to email openstack-operators mailing list asking for input on venue choice for Mexico City | 15:23 |
| VW | sorry that i've been sidelined with a DC migration mihalis68, but let me know where I can help | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | I see that one venue is clearly bigger than the other. One input that might help choose could be "indications of interest" | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | VW honestly we need to rebuild this team | 15:23 |
| izaakk | +1 | 15:24 |
| VW | Ok | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | I am on board, shintaro is always here, mrhillsman. Who else? | 15:24 |
| VW | I have questions, but will hold till we are done with discussing Mexico | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | I think that's it for Mexico. Anyone disagree? We will get the discussion going on the mailing list before attempting a vote | 15:25 |
| VW | I'm good with that | 15:25 |
| mrhillsman | izaakk what happened to team from mc joining? | 15:25 |
| mihalis68 | next on agenda is boston | 15:25 |
| mihalis68 | #topic boston forum | 15:25 |
| mrhillsman | they would have to most readily available information | 15:25 |
| mihalis68 | what is left to do for boston? | 15:25 |
| mihalis68 | what's mc? | 15:25 |
| izaakk | Yeah, I think they didn't make it. Will include them in the email thread so you can all meet them | 15:26 |
| mrhillsman | mexico city | 15:26 |
| mrhillsman | ok | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | ah yes, doh! Thanks for being patient with me :) | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | ok boston... | 15:26 |
| shintaro | do we have a session in boston? | 15:26 |
| mrhillsman | i do not think we have an individual session | 15:27 |
| mrhillsman | there is a session regarding working groups/teams however | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | mrhillsman posted this link for sessions tagged Forum https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Forum | 15:27 |
| shintaro | maybe we can get together and fix the venue in Boston? | 15:29 |
| mihalis68 | that's a very good idea! | 15:29 |
| VW | yeah - I think we should have an informal session at least | 15:29 |
| mihalis68 | wasn't there a need for some moderators still for the forum sessions? Or | 15:29 |
| VW | if there isn't one for the team | 15:29 |
| mihalis68 | to be honest I don't grasp how boston will go at all | 15:30 |
| mrhillsman | what are you having issue grasping mihalis68 ? | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | there's this wall of Forum sessions | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | are operators expected to be attending all of those? | 15:31 |
| mrhillsman | those of interest yes | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | and they are supposed to be operators and dev teams exchanging info | 15:32 |
| shintaro | I believe Forum sessions are just like Ops Meetup sessions but with dev people | 15:32 |
| mrhillsman | i would call it ops midcycle on steroids in terms of structure | 15:32 |
| mrhillsman | right | 15:32 |
| mihalis68 | but it has been arranged by the foundation, not the operators | 15:32 |
| mrhillsman | administration yes, implementation, not so much | 15:33 |
| shintaro | I will be moderating two sessions | 15:33 |
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| mrhillsman | communication went out quite a bit asking for a lot of participation from all persons in the community | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | I guess the question for this meeting is : is there anything left to do before the openstack summit | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | for this team | 15:34 |
| mrhillsman | we can continue to encourage folks to participate in the discussions and start to work on getting thoughts on the etherpads | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | VW suggested meet informally and work on the choice for Mexico City. | 15:35 |
| VW | yeah - we can still do it in the open | 15:35 |
| shintaro | agreed | 15:35 |
| mrhillsman | it would be great for us to be at the unanswered requirements session :) | 15:35 |
| VW | send some mailing list invites and announce in larger sessions | 15:35 |
| VW | meet us at X at Y time if you are interested in helping | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | my experience at these things is I am more tired each successive day | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | so how about 6pm monday? | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | or is that still scheduled for some people | 15:36 |
| mrhillsman | i wonder if that is too early for folks just getting in | 15:37 |
| mrhillsman | personally i will be there starting on the 5th | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | could be, although I get in on Sunday | 15:37 |
| shintaro | we do have a Market place Mixer | 15:37 |
| shintaro | an official evening event | 15:37 |
| mrhillsman | there is one at fenway on tuesday evening | 15:37 |
| matt_jarvis | sorry guys, got held up on a customer meeting | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | i have a question - why | 15:38 |
| * matt_jarvis reads scrollback | 15:38 | |
| mrhillsman | not from a negative sense | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | why what? | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | but if we can state the why, maybe that will help determine the how and what | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | why are we meeting - if more than informal and mexico city | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | mexico city is a good enough reason. There's no Openstack Foundation nor project dev teams input to that | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | if we don't decide and get moving it won't happen | 15:39 |
| mrhillsman | if informal and mexico city, how about 30 minutes early one day | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | The reason I suggested the end of the day is that the timetable is crammed before then. | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | I haven't actually pencilled in my itinerary yet | 15:40 |
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| mrhillsman | i'm ok either way | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | shall we come to this meeting next week and nail down an operators meet up in boston? | 15:41 |
| mrhillsman | let's do that | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | I'll email the list about that | 15:41 |
| mrhillsman | hopefully we can flush out the details around the venues and even select before boston | 15:41 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:41 |
| VW | yep - let's lock it in next week | 15:41 |
| mrhillsman | i don't think we have to necessarily wait that long if it is going to be too much of a hassle | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to email openstack-operators about a operators-focused meet up in Boston | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | let's see if progress can be made via email | 15:42 |
| shintaro | we can ask tom for the venue in Boston | 15:42 |
| mrhillsman | just a thing to consider based on your action verbiage | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | if not be prepared to try to arrange it this time next week | 15:42 |
| mrhillsman | we are working to remove the real/perceived division around dev/ops/others or whatnot | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | is that even possible? | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | I mean, the dev teams just had a separate entire conference thing | 15:43 |
| mrhillsman | i believe yes | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | it was crystal clear not for operators | 15:43 |
| VW | to me that's less about the who and more about the what | 15:43 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 15:43 |
| VW | the forum needs to be viewed as the start of the dev cycle | 15:43 |
| mrhillsman | we all have to work on it | 15:43 |
| VW | so we WANT ops and devs together to discuss what's next | 15:44 |
| VW | the PTG is more about how the devs make it work | 15:44 |
| mrhillsman | it is a going forward thing, not a looking back thing | 15:44 |
| VW | thin all the dev mid-cycles co-located together | 15:44 |
| mrhillsman | and operators were actually encouraged and will be encouraged to go | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | that's fine, however the devs are not going to be interested in the mid-cycle in Mexico City | 15:44 |
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| mrhillsman | some could be | 15:44 |
| mrhillsman | let's not assume 'the devs' will not be | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | I read the "who should go" for PTG and it wasn't appropriate for anyone here | 15:44 |
| mrhillsman | that wording can be changed :) | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | well i think it was very very deliberte | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | well i think it was very very deliberate | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | I'm not saying operators and devs won't talk extensively at the already-scheduled forum sessions | 15:45 |
| mrhillsman | at the governance level there is desire to change the real/perceived division | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | merely that a meeting to move forward on mexico city seems like a really good idea | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | everyone has scars/opinions/perceptions/etc | 15:46 |
| VW | right, but again. I view the PTG the same as the old nova mid-cycle | 15:46 |
| VW | I wouldn't plan on going to either personally | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | if it is beneficial for you to attend based on your day-to-day activity, you should be there | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | nobody was interested here at Bloomberg that actually operates openstack | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | if there is an issue with the wording, again, we should call it out for revision | 15:47 |
| mrhillsman | that's perfectly ok mihalis68 | 15:47 |
| mrhillsman | every event is not for everyone | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | it says you need to be an actual contributor, or you need to be a deep subject matter expert | 15:47 |
| mrhillsman | right, but not an operator or a developer exclusively | 15:47 |
| mrhillsman | because of the why of the event | 15:47 |
| mrhillsman | the plan going forward, though it has probably not been communicated properly | 15:48 |
| shintaro | I believe PTG is for devs and Ops meetup is for ops and the Forum is for both to get together and give feedbacl | 15:48 |
| mrhillsman | forum feeds into work requirements for next release | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | Yes I did see that | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | that could be very helpful | 15:48 |
| mrhillsman | ptg is less about the discussion of those requirements and more about the working on them | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | but somehow the communication did go astray | 15:48 |
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| mrhillsman | yep | 15:48 |
| mrhillsman | better communication has been brought up as well | 15:49 |
| mihalis68 | the CTO folk here thought PTG replaced operators meetups! | 15:49 |
| mrhillsman | not only better but consistent as well | 15:49 |
| shintaro | that is not true | 15:49 |
| mrhillsman | sorry to divert conversation though | 15:49 |
| mihalis68 | totally unaware of a) the narrow focus (as written anyway) of PTG nor of the Milan meetup | 15:49 |
| mrhillsman | let's get back on track :) | 15:49 |
| mrhillsman | t-minus 10 minutes | 15:50 |
| mihalis68 | so for boston : discuss a meet up for operators before or during next weeks IRC meeting | 15:50 |
| mihalis68 | in boston discuss at least mexico city and any other operators issues | 15:50 |
| mihalis68 | any more for boston? | 15:51 |
| mrhillsman | nothing from me | 15:51 |
| VW | I was thinking the informal boston thing would be more focused on the meetup team | 15:51 |
| VW | ie Mexico and new members | 15:51 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 15:51 |
| shintaro | both venue seems good enough but need more details | 15:51 |
| VW | I'm assuming tom and company have more genearl Ops meetup stuff planned | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | I hope that's true, but haven't seen anything from Tom in weeks :| | 15:51 |
| mrhillsman | he has been busy with forum and summit logistics | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | I don't think there are enough people here to discuss regional and/or themed mid-cycles, let's ignore those agenda items | 15:52 |
| mrhillsman | i'll send my email around that today | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | the last item is promoting the openstack-operators | 15:53 |
| mihalis68 | by which I meant : updating the wiki (I have an action) but also possibly taking a look at rebuilding this team | 15:53 |
| mrhillsman | just this team or operations stuff in general? | 15:53 |
| mihalis68 | well definitely the team seems depleted in my opinion | 15:54 |
| mihalis68 | anyone have any reaction to this? | 15:54 |
| VW | I agree | 15:55 |
| mihalis68 | 5 minutes to go | 15:55 |
| VW | we need to get some more help in here | 15:55 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 15:55 |
| shintaro | we need more people from the mexico city to move forward | 15:56 |
| mihalis68 | does someone want to ask Tom is he still with us? :| | 15:56 |
| mrhillsman | can we decide on a date for the midcyle | 15:56 |
| mrhillsman | like right now hehe | 15:56 |
| mihalis68 | VW you said you assume he's got "general ops meet up stuff planned" but I am really not sure | 15:56 |
| mrhillsman | one of the locations requires a date | 15:56 |
| mrhillsman | if not, we will have the other by default | 15:56 |
| mrhillsman | there is a slack channel i just read this from | 15:57 |
| VW | I'll try to track him down tonight mihalis68 | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | All that has been agreed is that Mexico is region-appropriate (for the rotating travel fairness thing) and August is the expected time slot | 15:57 |
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| mrhillsman | there's enough to decide on a date | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | Normally the hosting organization includes a date in the proposal | 15:57 |
| mrhillsman | enough of us | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | I feel like part of the problem is there isn't really a hosting organisation | 15:57 |
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| shintaro | yes | 15:58 |
| mihalis68 | I am sorry if I am risking causing offense, but we need there to be people behind the offer, not just room space | 15:58 |
| shintaro | we need someone from the organisation to fix date and venue | 15:59 |
| mihalis68 | in a different context, what we need is called an anchor tenant. | 15:59 |
| mihalis68 | The first person into an office development anchors the plan to something real | 15:59 |
| mihalis68 | we need an anchor sponsor | 15:59 |
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| mrhillsman | you're not, but i would have for us to be in a state of paralysis by analysis if we have one of the bigger items resolved | 15:59 |
| mihalis68 | even if the rooms will be free, there will be food, signage, badges etc to be not just paid for but organised | 15:59 |
| mrhillsman | totally understand | 16:00 |
| shintaro | +1 | 16:00 |
| mrhillsman | i asked them to just pick the dates in august for us | 16:00 |
| mrhillsman | bah, meeting time up | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | #action VW to talk to fifieldt to see if he's still able to help with openstack-operators meetups team | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | we started late | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | unless anyone needs to dash let's try to finish off in an orderly fashion | 16:01 |
| mihalis68 | does someone else want to pick up a call for more people to join this team? | 16:01 |
| mrhillsman | ok | 16:01 |
| mihalis68 | I can do it but I'll be peppering the list with email at this rate | 16:01 |
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| mrhillsman | i can | 16:01 |
| mihalis68 | izaakk could you see if any dates are already Unavailable for mexico city at those venues? | 16:02 |
| izaakk | Sure thing | 16:02 |
| mihalis68 | #action mrhillsman to ask the openstack-operators mailing list for new recruits for the ops meet up team | 16:02 |
| mrhillsman | the point person will ask one location to give us 2 available dates | 16:02 |
| mrhillsman | i will get with emagana on engaging in the conversation since he mentioned last week he would | 16:02 |
| mihalis68 | #action izaakk to get date availability for both mexico city venues for august | 16:02 |
| mrhillsman | izaakk did you start that email thread from last week? | 16:03 |
| mihalis68 | #action mrhillsman to contact emagana about filling int mexico city info on location, travel accommodation etc | 16:03 |
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| mihalis68 | any more business for today? | 16:03 |
| mrhillsman | i do not think i asked to be part of it but if not, i can create it, or if you do/did, please add me | 16:03 |
| mihalis68 | Id like to be cc:ed on all emails mentioned above | 16:03 |
| mihalis68 | mihalis68@gmail.com | 16:04 |
| mihalis68 | ok. last call | 16:04 |
| izaakk | mrhillsman: no, I though somebody else would create it. I'll do it as soon as I land in Denver. | 16:04 |
| mihalis68 | ok great | 16:04 |
| mihalis68 | thanks everyone | 16:04 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 16:04:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-04-25-15.15.html | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-04-25-15.15.txt | 16:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-04-25-15.15.log.html | 16:04 |
| shintaro | bye | 16:04 |
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| mihalis68 | thanks for staying up late shintaro!! | 16:04 |
| mrhillsman | mihalis68 do we have any documentation on exactly how the meetup is put together? | 16:04 |
| mrhillsman | thanks shintaro! know it's late buddy | 16:04 |
| mihalis68 | the mid-cycle? | 16:04 |
| mrhillsman | yeah | 16:04 |
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| mihalis68 | no but now that I think about it, I believe we resolved to write such a thing | 16:05 |
| mihalis68 | and I may have even volunteered! | 16:05 |
| mrhillsman | i know there is a superuser article that was written from milan | 16:05 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 16:05 |
| mihalis68 | I'll see if I can start on the oo.o wiki | 16:05 |
| mrhillsman | ok, let me know if you need some help | 16:05 |
| mihalis68 | openstack.org I mean | 16:05 |
| mihalis68 | yeah I'll email you when I throw up a rough draft | 16:05 |
| mrhillsman | if you can just get an outline since you are well versed | 16:05 |
| mrhillsman | i can help fill out the content | 16:05 |
| mihalis68 | there's nothing like wrongness in a document to get people firing up their email! :) | 16:06 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 16:06 |
| mrhillsman | cool, thanks for your help the past few weeks man | 16:06 |
| mrhillsman | have a great rest of your day! | 16:06 |
| mihalis68 | cheers all | 16:07 |
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