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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/automaton: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245467 | 00:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/futurist: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245469 | 00:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/debtcollector: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245468 | 00:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.concurrency: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245474 | 00:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245480 | 00:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.reports: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245483 | 00:37 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245487 | 00:38 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.config: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245475 | 00:39 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245488 | 00:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.service: cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245486 | 00:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245485 | 00:47 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/stevedore: cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245494 | 00:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/pylockfile: Remove python 2.6 https://review.openstack.org/245493 | 00:53 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslotest: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245490 | 00:54 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/mox3: cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245470 | 00:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.privsep: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/245405 | 03:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Support git://, git+ssh://, git+https:// without -e flag. https://review.openstack.org/194405 | 06:37 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.utils: All extra sanitize keys in mask_password https://review.openstack.org/245658 | 08:13 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add extra sanitize keys in mask_password https://review.openstack.org/245658 | 08:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/pylockfile: Remove python 2.6 https://review.openstack.org/245493 | 09:08 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add extra sanitize keys in mask_password https://review.openstack.org/245658 | 09:13 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.service: Remove openstack-common.conf https://review.openstack.org/245679 | 09:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.utils: Refactor Port number validation https://review.openstack.org/245296 | 10:21 |
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haypo | http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/11/12/2 | 10:34 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add extra sanitize keys in mask_password https://review.openstack.org/245658 | 11:26 |
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dims | haypo : for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245285/, are the 3 scenarios in the test case wrong? which ones are wrong? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245285/2/oslo_serialization/tests/test_jsonutils.py,cm | 11:33 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.privsep: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/243405 | 11:49 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.service: Remove openstack-common.conf https://review.openstack.org/245679 | 12:43 |
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-cameron.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | 12:50 | |
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openstackgerrit | zhangsong proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Fix the bug of can't get the desired image info https://review.openstack.org/245407 | 12:59 |
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openstackgerrit | zhangsong proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Fix the bug of can't get the desired image info https://review.openstack.org/245407 | 13:01 |
openstackgerrit | zhangsong proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Fix the bug of can't get the desired image info https://review.openstack.org/245407 | 13:02 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Fix bug track URL https://review.openstack.org/245766 | 13:44 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: jsonutils : drop Python 2.6 workaroud https://review.openstack.org/245783 | 14:05 |
openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.config: Remove 'raise' in _get https://review.openstack.org/245784 | 14:06 |
openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: jsonutils : drop Python 2.6 workaround https://review.openstack.org/245783 | 14:07 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: msgpackutils: drop Python 2.6 support https://review.openstack.org/245787 | 14:20 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.service: Change "started child" messages to DEBUG https://review.openstack.org/244021 | 14:24 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Do not error when running pep8 with py3 https://review.openstack.org/240367 | 14:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.middleware: Add oslo_config program support to paste middleware https://review.openstack.org/245371 | 14:38 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Fix wrong bug tracking link https://review.openstack.org/245818 | 15:18 |
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jdandrea | dims: Ohai! Trying to sleugh https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245303/ ... even *without* my fix, I still get errors when running tox. Unsure what I might be doing wrong. Any ideas? | 15:28 |
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jdandrea | s/sleugh/sleuth | 15:28 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/oslotest: mockpatch: deprecate in favor of native fixtures https://review.openstack.org/245199 | 15:30 |
dims | early heads up - oslo meeting in 30 mins :) | 15:30 |
dims | jdandrea will look in a little bit | 15:30 |
jdandrea | dims: np, tx | 15:31 |
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gcb | dims: we still use https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting ,right ? | 15:34 |
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dims | gcb : i gather notes for meetings here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-meeting-agenda | 15:35 |
gcb | I would like to raise Make enforce_type=True by default in CONF.set_override https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/enforce_type_true_by_default | 15:35 |
dims | gcb i'll add a topic | 15:36 |
gcb | thanks | 15:36 |
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dims | harlowja_at_home : awake? :) | 15:58 |
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harlowja_at_home | yup! | 15:58 |
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* harlowja_at_home set my alarm and everything :-P | 15:58 | |
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lxsli | in oslo.config, can a group contain another group? I see some support in the code but I'm not sure how you could express that | 16:27 |
lxsli | derp, read more carefully this time | 16:27 |
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pkholkin | zzzeek: Mike, are here? | 16:47 |
zzzeek | I am not | 16:47 |
zzzeek | I am on a phone in the airport | 16:47 |
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pkholkin | zzzeek: ok, when you will be available? we have some problem with enginefacade in nova | 16:48 |
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pkholkin | shortly, this script http://xsnippet.org/361142/ doesn't work | 16:49 |
zzzeek | Later today. | 16:49 |
pkholkin | ok thanks! we will appreciate you help | 16:49 |
rpodolyaka1 | pkholkin: I'll give it another try after dinner :P | 16:50 |
zzzeek | Great that is an easy script I can run just send it where I'll see it in email | 16:50 |
pkholkin | rpodolyaka1: thanks Roman! | 16:50 |
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pkholkin | zzzeek: we created with simple script just to test it without nova, we have the same problem in 'tags' section after catching DBDuplicateEntry exception | 16:53 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.serialization: Fix bug track URL https://review.openstack.org/245766 | 16:54 |
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rpodolyaka1 | pkholkin: I cleaned the script a bit - http://xsnippet.org/361144/ | 17:02 |
rpodolyaka1 | so that only crucial parts are there | 17:02 |
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rpodolyaka1 | note the execute() vs flush() difference | 17:02 |
rpodolyaka1 | I'd actually expect the result to be the same | 17:03 |
rpodolyaka1 | except the fact flush() updates the internal session state with regards what queries have been actually sent to the DB | 17:03 |
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rpodolyaka1 | pkholkin: http://xsnippet.org/361145/ that's even simpler | 17:06 |
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hemanthm | Hey, oslo folks! Is there a way to time db queries with oslo.db? | 17:11 |
rpodolyaka1 | hemanthm: so the easiest way is probably to enable logging | 17:13 |
rpodolyaka1 | hemanthm: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/blob/master/oslo_db/options.py#L100-L105 | 17:13 |
rpodolyaka1 | hemanthm: connection_debug=100 will print SQL statements and returned values. and then it's up to your logging setup | 17:14 |
rpodolyaka1 | hemanthm: whether you include timestamps in the log format or not | 17:14 |
hemanthm | ah, I see. | 17:15 |
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hemanthm | thanks rpodolyaka1 | 17:15 |
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rpodolyaka1 | hemanthm: a more elaborate way would be http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/faq/performance.html | 17:16 |
rpodolyaka1 | hemanthm: np | 17:16 |
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mordred | dhellmann: heya | 17:38 |
dhellmann | mordred : o/ | 17:39 |
mordred | dhellmann: so, trying to get up to speed on the cliutils discussion from the mailing list before I reply and make a fool of myself | 17:39 |
dhellmann | k | 17:39 |
mordred | the _current_ thing is the thing that's in incubator, right? | 17:39 |
dhellmann | I believe there are different versions of the thing in different places, because someone put it in the incubator and then didn't keep up pressure to sync it | 17:40 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/oslotest: mockpatch: deprecate in favor of native fixtures https://review.openstack.org/245199 | 17:40 |
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mordred | dhellmann: ok. oh - and this is different than the apiclient thing | 17:40 |
mordred | which does not seem to be in incubator anymore? | 17:40 |
dhellmann | mordred : it is different, but in much the same state | 17:41 |
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dhellmann | at least, that's my understanding | 17:41 |
mordred | k | 17:41 |
mordred | so - the reason I'm asking | 17:41 |
dhellmann | dims may have a better status, though | 17:41 |
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mordred | is that I've been starting to poke at keystoneauth1/os-client-config-ification of python-*client | 17:41 |
mordred | and I believe we may have overlapping of effort/concerns | 17:42 |
dhellmann | yes, I wouldn't be surprised | 17:42 |
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dhellmann | the folks working on the request id spec also put together a spec about the apiclient stuff, but I haven't been following it very closely -- the release changes are consuming most of my attention | 17:43 |
mordred | great. I'll see if I can find | 17:43 |
mordred | it | 17:43 |
dhellmann | mordred : https://review.openstack.org/235200 | 17:43 |
mordred | LOVELY | 17:43 |
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dhellmann | mordred : looking at cliutils, it isn't clear to me that's of much use because it's so minimal -- is it? | 17:46 |
mordred | I don't think so, no | 17:46 |
mordred | and thanks - that spec was super help | 17:47 |
mordred | ful | 17:47 |
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sdague | mordred: if you are going to tackle this, I think the issue needs to be a pragmatic one. The projects that have self deprecated their native clis are the ones that have a very small api surface. Honestly, I can't imagine we can do that any time soon in nova, given the gulf between osc and nova. However if there were some best practices on what to do in client trees to make them more convergent, that would be great. | 18:02 |
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mordred | yah | 18:03 |
mordred | sdague: well, that's kind of what I've been starting to poke at | 18:03 |
sdague | mordred: awesome | 18:03 |
mordred | sdague: and I'm getting close to being ready to write something up | 18:03 |
sdague | very cool | 18:03 |
mordred | sdague: I agree- nova isn't going away any time soon, nor neutron | 18:04 |
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mordred | my first step/concern is "make these things consume the same cloud configuration across clouds.yaml, env vars and command line options" - which it turns out is actually not a very big task | 18:04 |
mordred | since they're _mostly_ all the same already | 18:04 |
sdague | yep | 18:05 |
mordred | but if we do that and it's documented well - AND it's the same thing as OSC | 18:05 |
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sdague | yes, that's all awesome sauce | 18:05 |
mordred | then interchangably using nova and osc isn't as painful as it is now | 18:05 |
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sdague | yeh, also if there is tree reorg in novaclient (api side) to make it work better in osc, that would be fine as well | 18:07 |
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mordred | sdague: next time I feel like yak-shaving, and after getting novaclient on keystoneauth | 18:14 |
mordred | sdague: I'd kind of like to go through novaclient and have it use the native requsts-like api intead of the LegacyJSONAdapter ... but I probably will not get to that this cycle | 18:14 |
sdague | yeh, so, honestly, if you can sketch out what you think that would look like, we might be able to get some newer folks to bite on it | 18:15 |
sdague | it would be a good way to grow / mentor people as well as get a thing done | 18:15 |
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harlowja | dims https://gist.githubusercontent.com/harlowja/b71e85efd0fa914baf96/raw/7a4d13ecd6b37713cc5a101a4b5571b5be4e5b81/gistfile1.txt | 18:52 |
harlowja | look ok to u? | 18:52 |
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harlowja | ^ may or may not be organic, lol | 18:55 |
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harlowja | dims https://gist.github.com/harlowja/6c00b621de803423078b (fixed small grammer issue) | 19:00 |
harlowja | sputnik13 ^ | 19:00 |
harlowja | mind checking ;) | 19:00 |
harlowja | with your grammar powers | 19:00 |
harlowja | lol | 19:00 |
sputnik13 | during this week's | 19:01 |
sputnik13 | line 7 | 19:01 |
sputnik13 | days of the week are capitalized line 9 | 19:01 |
sputnik13 | craftsman -> craftsmen | 19:02 |
sputnik13 | maybe craftspersons to be PC ;) | 19:02 |
harlowja | damn | 19:02 |
harlowja | lol | 19:02 |
harlowja | craftspersons then | 19:02 |
harlowja | :-P | 19:03 |
sputnik13 | We would like you see --> We would like to see | 19:03 |
sputnik13 | line 11 | 19:03 |
harlowja | :) | 19:03 |
harlowja | thx mate | 19:03 |
* harlowja fixes up this stuff | 19:03 | |
sputnik13 | line 15 also days of the week | 19:03 |
sputnik13 | that looks like it | 19:03 |
sputnik13 | :) | 19:03 |
harlowja | :) | 19:03 |
harlowja | u my hero | 19:03 |
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sputnik13 | here to serve :) | 19:05 |
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harlowja | dims https://gist.github.com/harlowja/dc2c573c4d5ff9287c22 ok, think i got all sputnik13 changes in | 19:13 |
harlowja | dims let me know if ok, will send after confirm | 19:13 |
sputnik13 | day of the week need to be capitalized | 19:14 |
harlowja | oh | 19:14 |
sputnik13 | thursday -> Thursdasy | 19:14 |
harlowja | damn | 19:14 |
sputnik13 | friday -> Friday | 19:14 |
harlowja | yes sir | 19:15 |
sputnik13 | :) | 19:15 |
harlowja | repaired version @ https://gist.github.com/harlowja/017e4d8199a70d3073d0 | 19:15 |
sputnik13 | yay doc sprint | 19:16 |
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harlowja | if we can get all oslo libs/projects to taskflow doclevels i'll be a happy camper | 19:24 |
harlowja | eventually :-P | 19:24 |
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sputnik13 | me thinks harlowja will find other things to gripe about | 19:29 |
harlowja | lol | 19:29 |
harlowja | sputnik13 likely ;) | 19:30 |
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harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549/ is interesting | 19:30 |
harlowja | i need to find/talk with that Fabien Hermenier guy | 19:31 |
harlowja | *see comment in that review | 19:31 |
* harlowja needs to figure out a way to make that spec possible | 19:33 | |
harlowja | biggest challenge yet for openstack imho is that specs described problem... | 19:33 |
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harlowja | oh man, i noticed that guys code @ https://github.com/btrplace/scheduler is java, omg, eck | 19:34 |
harlowja | lol | 19:34 |
harlowja | * http://www.btrplace.org/ | 19:34 |
harlowja | seems like a nice thing that could be incorporated into all of openstack... | 19:34 |
mixos | Could anyone take a look at the bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1516745 | 19:35 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1516745 in oslo.messaging "should raise expception when rabbit broker has blocked the connection" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Sungjin Yook (sungyook) | 19:35 |
mixos | to see if it makes sense. | 19:35 |
mixos | Thanks. | 19:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Clint 'SpamapS' Byrum proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Always use simplejson https://review.openstack.org/245957 | 20:01 |
SpamapS | harlowja: ^ | 20:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Min Pae proposed openstack/taskflow: Adding notification points for job completion https://review.openstack.org/241708 | 20:20 |
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rpodolyaka1 | \o/ | 20:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Sungjin Yook proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: should raise expception when rabbit broker has blocked the connection https://review.openstack.org/245969 | 20:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Sungjin Yook proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: should raise expception when rabbit broker has blocked the connection https://review.openstack.org/245969 | 20:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo.config: improve wording of comment in previous commit https://review.openstack.org/245972 | 20:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo.middleware: remove bad entry point test logic https://review.openstack.org/245988 | 21:17 |
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dhellmann | dims : I'm +2ing all of these tox.ini changes, but are you sure that nothing in the CI system depends on the VIRTUAL_ENV variable being set? | 21:35 |
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dims | dhellmann : i ran them several times over the weekend, so far looks like they hold up | 21:35 |
dhellmann | dims : yeah, I'm worried about things like translations or jobs that aren't run in the check queue. I don't know, I'm just being paranoid. :-) | 21:36 |
dims | dhellmann fair point, we'll see more churn with dropping classifiers etc, so we will catch it :) | 21:36 |
dhellmann | dims : ++ | 21:37 |
* dhellmann needs an approve all script | 21:37 | |
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dims | dhellmann we need a stackalytics to filter these stuff! | 21:38 |
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dhellmann | dims : what, and give up my review stats?!? | 21:39 |
harlowja | lol | 21:39 |
dims | haha | 21:39 |
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dims | dhellmann : i am seeing bot like behavior with some +1's coming in as soon as i create a review. have you? | 21:40 |
dhellmann | dims : no, I haven't noticed that. Example? | 21:40 |
dims | one sec | 21:41 |
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dims | dhellmann this one stands out - http://stackalytics.com/?user_id=venkatamaheshkotha | 21:42 |
harlowja | dims https://gist.github.com/harlowja/017e4d8199a70d3073d0 look ok to u? | 21:42 |
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dims | harlowja : awesome, let's add "virtual" somewhere prominent | 21:43 |
harlowja | kk | 21:44 |
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fhermeni | hi there | 21:58 |
dims | fhermeni hi | 21:59 |
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harlowja | fhermeni hi there | 22:08 |
harlowja | so fhermeni i was thinking | 22:08 |
harlowja | in my mind fhermeni if u want to co-author https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549/ with me, i'd be ok with that, i think u have much greater expertise in this than me | 22:09 |
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harlowja | random idea of the day (from me) | 22:09 |
harlowja | ha | 22:09 |
harlowja | and maybe i can help the openstack red-tape and all that, because that one will require much work imho | 22:09 |
harlowja | and/or its a huge cross-project, likely year(s) long thing to achieve | 22:10 |
fhermeni | harlowja: Thanks, I appreciate the offer. I accept with pleasure if that is ok on the openstack side | 22:10 |
harlowja | its ok with me :) | 22:10 |
harlowja | have u used gerrit to do reviews before? | 22:10 |
fhermeni | harlowja: and as you will, I don't have all your skill in terms of doing things for production and dealing with industry class software | 22:10 |
harlowja | :) | 22:11 |
harlowja | thats fine | 22:11 |
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harlowja | the community combined is what gives us the true power, ha | 22:11 |
fhermeni | harlowja: I never used gerrit but I will try | 22:11 |
harlowja | i'd like to get SpamapS mordred deva also inovled in that to | 22:11 |
harlowja | fhermeni thats ok | 22:11 |
harlowja | i think if u search u can find some guides, i forget the links | 22:11 |
fhermeni | harlowja: (and sorry for programming in Java ;)) | 22:11 |
fhermeni | harlowja: k | 22:11 |
harlowja | haha, that was a joke ;) | 22:12 |
harlowja | fhermeni due to recent discussions around java :) | 22:12 |
harlowja | (long story) | 22:12 |
harlowja | lol | 22:12 |
fhermeni | harlowja: no worry | 22:12 |
fhermeni | harlowja: so I can review whatever you want about constraint definition. It will be nice. However, if you have more notes about what the plans are, tell me | 22:13 |
harlowja | fhermeni plans are all in my head, therefore all over the place right now | 22:14 |
harlowja | lol | 22:14 |
harlowja | but the basic idea, is how can we make scheduling across projects, without disrupting those projects possible, in a way that moves the bar forward for openstack long-term | 22:14 |
harlowja | because imho we need it | 22:15 |
harlowja | the constraint format i sorta made up last week, so it might be a good thing to improve with your knowledge | 22:15 |
harlowja | since i think u have experience with the format/defintion and have a better idea what would be needed | 22:15 |
mordred | what did I do? | 22:15 |
fhermeni | just in case "project" is basically a set of VM that collaborates to run a single distributed app for example ? | 22:15 |
harlowja | mordred yo, soooo, have u seen https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549/ | 22:16 |
harlowja | its another ambitious thing for openstack | 22:16 |
harlowja | fhermeni here has worked on these lines for a while, and i was thinking we as a community could figure out this big plan (or start to think about it) | 22:16 |
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harlowja | fhermeni so project in that description was more of the various oepnstack projects [nova, glance, neutron, cinder] | 22:17 |
harlowja | if thats what u are referring to | 22:17 |
mordred | harlowja: interesting - brain is full for today - but I bet SpamapS will dive in | 22:17 |
harlowja | mordred np | 22:17 |
harlowja | mordred when less full, thoughts appreciated | 22:18 |
harlowja | its imho one of bigger cross-project things to think about | 22:18 |
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harlowja | (and/or how to get there) | 22:18 |
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fhermeni | harlowja: ouch, huge load spike on btrplace website after my spam in the review. Thanks ;) | 22:25 |
harlowja | :) | 22:25 |
harlowja | haha | 22:25 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.middleware: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245481 | 22:26 |
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fhermeni | Aside btrplace, we are also trying to work on debugging and code generation techniques to have robust VM schedulers that are not buggy | 22:27 |
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harlowja | well that sounds nice, ha | 22:27 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.vmware: Remove python 2.6 and cleanup tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/245489 | 22:27 |
fhermeni | and both btrplace and openstack have the same kind of bugs | 22:27 |
harlowja | fhermeni well define buggy | 22:27 |
harlowja | buggy in as eventually consistent? | 22:27 |
harlowja | or buggy as in software bugs | 22:27 |
fhermeni | false positive: it allows placement it should not | 22:28 |
harlowja | k | 22:28 |
fhermeni | false negatives: it denies placement it should not | 22:28 |
harlowja | right, so ya, openstack has those | 22:28 |
harlowja | *or nova at least | 22:28 |
harlowja | *for a variety of reasons | 22:28 |
fhermeni | yep, these bugs are cool. usually easy to fix once discovered but very hard to discover | 22:29 |
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harlowja | right | 22:29 |
harlowja | although idk if easy to fix :-P | 22:30 |
harlowja | some of the reasons in nova, i think are harder to fix | 22:30 |
harlowja | resource tracking being more eventually consistent than consistent (being one reason) | 22:30 |
harlowja | nova-compute not doing much/any validation on requests for VM(s) it gets requested | 22:31 |
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harlowja | (and likely others afaik) | 22:31 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.config: Remove 'raise' in _get https://review.openstack.org/245784 | 22:31 |
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fhermeni | As BtrPlace is just an algorithm, I don't have to bother about eventual consistency. But those bugs are way harder to fix and should require to rethink the scheduling technic. Being less optimistic I would say | 22:32 |
fhermeni | but I think there is some way to address that without having to place a huge lock on the scheduler each time something is beting scheduled :D | 22:33 |
fhermeni | being* | 22:34 |
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fhermeni | harlowja: anyway. Tell me what is the next step about the spec and let's go | 22:35 |
jdandrea | Tried to resubmit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245303/ ... still getting python27/34 errors, with or without my patch. *scratches head* Not sure what I'm doing wrong. | 22:37 |
dims | jdandrea still on my queue :( | 22:38 |
jdandrea | dims: No worries. I thought maybe it was a fluke and wanted to check in. | 22:38 |
jdandrea | But 2.6 is gone, I see. :) | 22:38 |
harlowja | fhermeni soo next step on that spec imho is to continue flushing out the details, getting others interested (awareness and all that) | 22:38 |
harlowja | imho it requires more details on lots of aspects | 22:39 |
jdandrea | dims: I'm frying other fish as well. I'll circle the airport for a bit! | 22:39 |
jdandrea | Appreciate the queue stuffs. | 22:39 |
harlowja | fhermeni and then we need to strategize on the 'how to make it real/happen' question | 22:39 |
harlowja | fhermeni if u want to flush out ideas for the build-plan kind of thing mentioned there that'd be cool | 22:39 |
harlowja | (the yaml thing) | 22:40 |
fhermeni | harlowja: I can try that but I only have a limited knowledge around openstack concepts and concerns so it might be a bit wonky | 22:40 |
harlowja | thats fine | 22:41 |
harlowja | we can work through those | 22:41 |
harlowja | we have enough people who know around here (and/or other channels) | 22:41 |
fhermeni | harlowja: but ok for that. I will provide sth during the week. let's focus on sth. simple and consistent first | 22:41 |
harlowja | agreed | 22:41 |
harlowja | and see if u run into any gerrit issues and all | 22:42 |
fhermeni | k | 22:42 |
harlowja | and let's go from there :) | 22:42 |
harlowja | and see where this ends up (who knows!) | 22:42 |
fhermeni | harlowja: ok then. I will start from your use case for the moment | 22:43 |
harlowja | okie dokie | 22:43 |
fhermeni | ++ then. Time to get some sleep | 22:44 |
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harlowja | :) | 22:46 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Fix docs for markers https://review.openstack.org/240437 | 22:47 |
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SpamapS | harlowja: super scheduling?! | 22:48 |
harlowja | supppper | 22:49 |
harlowja | ultra super (better name welcomed, ha) | 22:49 |
harlowja | i just make up this crap somtimes, lol | 22:49 |
SpamapS | harlowja: Ugh. I think that is counter to everything I believe in cloud. | 22:49 |
harlowja | how so | 22:50 |
SpamapS | harlowja: same reason we don't respect source routing on packets on the internet. | 22:50 |
SpamapS | harlowja: It simply does not scale. | 22:50 |
SpamapS | as nice as it would be to have an all thinking all being single thing on the internet that has all the cat pictures.. | 22:51 |
harlowja | so it doesn't have to be the global optimum, how about just cross-project smarter scheduling.. | 22:51 |
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SpamapS | it would be so much more efficient than all of the competing cat pic sites.. | 22:51 |
SpamapS | but there are simply too many cat pics | 22:51 |
SpamapS | nope | 22:51 |
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SpamapS | I don't believe cross project smart scheduling is a good idea. | 22:51 |
harlowja | how about remove smart | 22:52 |
harlowja | lol | 22:52 |
harlowja | sorta-dumb scheduling? | 22:52 |
SpamapS | I do believe separation of concerns, simplified resource allocations, and substrate homogenization, are what will scale. | 22:52 |
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harlowja | so then the human issuing API commands must do the smart part? | 22:53 |
harlowja | for the times/places where substrate homogenization isn't there yet (maybe someday) | 22:53 |
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SpamapS | harlowja: smart scheduling won't work out for the same reason PaaS just doesn't seem to ever grow as fast as we think it will. If it fits in the PaaS box, great. But most things don't. Likewise, if you fit in the smart scheduler's box, great. But most things won't. | 22:53 |
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SpamapS | Yes, the humans need to architect their apps to the reality of the clouds, and the clouds need to respond when those things aren't cost effective. | 22:54 |
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SpamapS | (the humans running the clouds need to respond, I should say) | 22:55 |
SpamapS | harlowja: this is fine for small clouds. | 22:55 |
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harlowja | welll i wonder about larger cloud to, i've heard of requests for something like that yaml defined in that review | 22:56 |
SpamapS | harlowja: but the less homogenous the workload, the more complex high level scheduling will have to be. | 22:56 |
harlowja | right | 22:56 |
harlowja | agreed | 22:56 |
* harlowja isn't saying its an easy problem to solve | 22:56 | |
SpamapS | I'd rather see something like that as a higher level price-reactive cloud-(ab)user hosted thing. | 22:57 |
harlowja | interesting idea | 22:57 |
harlowja | brb, will think on this | 22:57 |
harlowja | i see your points though | 22:57 |
harlowja | points/concerns | 22:58 |
SpamapS | Let the clouds/regions/az's advertise their costs, and let an outside-the-cloud app decide the most cost effective way to deploy. | 22:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/taskflow: Add a executor backed conductor and have existing impl. use it https://review.openstack.org/174643 | 23:24 |
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harlowja | SpamapS ya, i get that point of view | 23:36 |
harlowja | will think about how to incorporate it into this idea | 23:36 |
harlowja | (if it can be) | 23:36 |
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SpamapS | harlowja: think BGP | 23:37 |
harlowja | SpamapS right, along the lines, of u provide your 'profile' let the shortest (cheapest) path win? | 23:39 |
harlowja | something like that analogy? | 23:39 |
harlowja | lol | 23:39 |
SpamapS | harlowja: right, but the point is that there's no omnicient router | 23:40 |
harlowja | not a single one at least | 23:40 |
SpamapS | right | 23:40 |
harlowja | but u also don't have hundreds of hubs that can't intelligently do much :-P | 23:40 |
harlowja | (which is sorta like projects in openstack), lol | 23:40 |
harlowja | there is a squishy middle area (just intelligent enough) somewhere in there | 23:41 |
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harlowja | (that i hope isn't people but computers/algorithms) | 23:43 |
harlowja | damn humans | 23:43 |
harlowja | lol | 23:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Avoid recreating notify details for each dispatch iteration https://review.openstack.org/239547 | 23:45 |
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