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| tonyb | flwang: 'sup? | 03:56 |
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| flwang | tonyb: is there a sample about how to tag the EOL? thanks | 03:56 |
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| tonyb | flwang: You do a release like normal and then infra will tag the branch as liberty-eol and remove the branch | 03:57 |
| flwang | tonyb: got it, thanks | 03:58 |
| tonyb | flwang: for bonus points +1 my email to os-dev that asks infra to do that thing to show you're good with it | 03:58 |
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| robcresswell | tonyb: Don't suppose you saw the Horizon Liberty EOL patch? Wasn't sure if I missed the boat | 07:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/releases: Release oslo.messaging 5.15.0 (ocata) https://review.openstack.org/409047 | 09:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rob Cresswell proposed openstack/releases: Tag XStatic-angular-bootstrap 2.2.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/409121 | 12:28 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, dims: o/ | 14:27 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann: o/ | 14:39 |
| stevemar | i have many things to chat with you today :) | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : o/ | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | would you like to start now? | 14:39 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: sure, about the osc stable policy? | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | our "it always works with all clouds" policy doesn't seem to me to have any bearing on whether we issue fixes for old versions packaged by distros | 14:40 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: back in the day we didn't backport patches because 'why would you deliberately use an older client version' | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | because you're using distro packages? | 14:41 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: with things like tripleo using OSC in stable, i think that stance needs to be revisited | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:41 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: i've been trying to convince dtroyer ;) | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | I didn't remember that discussion, but it may have happened at a point when adoption was so low it didn't matter | 14:41 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: it totally did happen at that point, like 0.4 ish | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | ah | 14:42 |
| stevemar | it was the lazy answer, we had to backport one change because a gate was broken without it | 14:42 |
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| stevemar | we came up with a stance of 'unless it's critical, why ever use an old release?' | 14:43 |
| stevemar | it's a bad stance now :) | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | cool, so how do we convince dtroyer? | 14:43 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: i think he's unaware of the distro argument, he's outlined his concerns on various patches, let me try to find | 14:44 |
| sigmavirus | stevemar: I have mixed feelings, but OSC would need to maintain a client library compatibility matrix that might drive you to the point of absolute frustration if you don't have stable branches | 14:55 |
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| sigmavirus | release meeting? | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | yep | 14:59 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann, stevemar: do we (OSC) have control of our stable branches? (I haven't looked yet) It seems to me that we may not. If that's the case I'll gladly let some one else enforce the backport policy that the community demands. I still do not see the reason to continue to spend time on old code. This basically is exactly why I have nearly lost interest in any client-side code with deployment problems like Python ha | 15:27 |
| dtroyer | </rant> | 15:27 |
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| fungi | huh... the os-vif 1.3.0 release linked at https://releases.openstack.org/teams/nova.html doesn't actually exist on tarballs.o.o... looks like we need to normalize - to _ there? https://tarballs.openstack.org/os-vif/ | 15:40 |
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| fungi | okay, so just needs some configuration to tell the releases site what tarball name to use | 15:59 |
| fungi | for that deliverable | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : the OSC team should have control. I think we set up separate stable teams because not all core teams wanted everyone to be on the stable team, but if you don't have access it likely just means the team wasn't populated properly | 15:59 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: ok, thanks, I'll verify that this afternoon when I'm out of writing mode | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : it sounds like we now have deployment tools relying on OSC, which means we can't say "use the latest" because of dependency conflicts between shared libraries (not a problem unique to python, fwiw) | 16:01 |
| fungi | i think for official teams the stable branch team is the gerrit "owner" of the per-deliverable stable reviewer teams so that they can provide some oversight into additions to them | 16:01 |
| fungi | but they've been pretty open to adding anyone the ptl recommends | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : you and stevemar are direct members of python-openstackclient-stable-maint and the core team are also members: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1561,members | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | oops, that's stable-maint-core not osc-core | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | but in any case, dtroyer and stevemar have access | 16:02 |
| fungi | yeah, the stable-maint-core team is usually included in per-deliverable stable teams and also the owner of those teams | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 16:03 |
| fungi | seems to be the case for this one as well https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/python-openstackclient-stable-maint,info | 16:03 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: sounds like we're changing our stance? | 16:18 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: reluctantly, yes | 16:20 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: you've just made a lot of people happy | 16:20 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: ssssshhhhh! I have a curmudgeonly reputation to maintain | 16:23 |
| stevemar | :) | 16:23 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: time to go through -- https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-openstackclient+branch:stable/newton and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-openstackclient+branch:stable/mitaka | 16:24 |
| dtroyer | it is still a high bar in my mind | 16:26 |
| dtroyer | we should move this convo back to -sdks now | 16:26 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: yep | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer, stevemar : ++, thanks | 16:29 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann: reno question: once a release has been tagged (say 3.3.0), is it possible to add a relnote for that release (3.3.0) so it appears in the right place in the docs and not in 3.3.1? (ignoring that the 3.3.0 bits in the wild don't have it) | 16:46 |
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| ttx | ok guys, signing off, have a good weekend ! | 17:04 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer : no, you can't rewrite history. I've considered adding it (it would be possible to do with a field in the file) but it comes up rarely enough and it wouldn't be possible to update the notes *in* the sdist so... | 17:15 |
| dhellmann | ttx: have a good weekend! | 17:16 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann: ok, I didn' t think it was possible… thanks, will just add a comment to the note itself… | 17:21 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 17:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/releases: Document release artifact signing https://review.openstack.org/409297 | 18:41 |
| fungi | dhellmann: first stab ^ no idea if this is where you want things. anything else i should add? lmk what you want changed, or feel free to take it over too | 18:41 |
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| fungi | ^ minor formatting improvement | 19:05 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : looking | 19:52 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : +2 | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann: still around? | 22:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: refactor existing implementation into a class https://review.openstack.org/407208 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: skip the test that fails on git 2.9.2 https://review.openstack.org/409363 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: use dulwich to determine the tags on a branch https://review.openstack.org/409364 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: use dulwich to find the current version on a branch https://review.openstack.org/409365 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: use dulwich to get the contents of a file https://review.openstack.org/409366 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: move tag management into repo subclass https://review.openstack.org/409367 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: add tests for determining the branch base https://review.openstack.org/409368 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: use dulwich to determine the branch base https://review.openstack.org/409369 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: optimize check for the current version https://review.openstack.org/409370 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: ensure tags are returned in a consistent order https://review.openstack.org/409371 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: add function for reducing change list to operations https://review.openstack.org/409372 | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: use dulwich to implement get_notes_by_version https://review.openstack.org/409373 | 23:01 |
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