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| ttx | Looks like we got most of the pike-branching-show in, so I suppose that means we can start approving RC2s ? | 07:45 |
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| AJaeger | ttx, do you want to import stable/pike translations first? | 07:46 |
| ttx | Definitely | 07:46 |
| ttx | AJaeger: For RCs now we check that they don't have pending translations/requirements patches before accepting teh tag | 07:46 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:stable/pike+topic:zanata/translations | 07:48 |
| AJaeger | ttx, great, thanks | 07:48 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:stable/pike+topic:openstack/requirements (for reference) | 07:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chaoyi Huang proposed openstack/releases master: Release Triircle 4.0.0.0rc1 and create stable branch https://review.openstack.org/494454 | 09:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Chaoyi Huang proposed openstack/releases master: Release Tricircle 4.0.0.0rc1 and create stable branch https://review.openstack.org/494454 | 09:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chaoyi Huang proposed openstack/releases master: Release Tricircle 4.0.0 and create stable branch https://review.openstack.org/494454 | 10:59 |
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| robcresswell | o/ Hi release team, I've been speaking with the i18n team and planning to release Horizon RC2 on Monday. to incorporate translation patches. This is standard for us during the release process, but just highlighting it in case there are newer members on the release team. | 11:10 |
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| ttx | yes, sounds good | 11:37 |
| ttx | dims: Looks like we got most of the pike-branching-show in, so I suppose that means we can start approving RC2s ? | 11:37 |
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| TheJulia | o/ Release team. Ironic has been fighting issues with our grenade tests as some breaking changes and behaviors have resulted in a sporadic random failure to become near 100%. One of the ideas that has been floated is to cut a release and branch, then back port the last couple of things we need in as we believe that should fix some of the issues that we are encountering. The one idea is that we would also | 12:07 |
| TheJulia | want to back port our prelude for our release notes, but we're not sure how that would really work if at all. Thoughts? | 12:07 |
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| ttx | TheJulia: That's certainly an option. You decide when to cut your Pike release branch basically | 12:13 |
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| ttx | It's a trade-off between needed decrease in rate of changes on the soon-to-be-released tree and the work increase due to backporting work | 12:14 |
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| ttx | The only constraint is that we need a tag (release) to branch from | 12:14 |
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| TheJulia | can we move the stable/pike tag to another commit off of master so we don't run into weirdness with and our prelude? | 12:15 |
| ttx | It's OK to do a point release with latest fixes in the coming week, and make "that" the Pike release | 12:15 |
| ttx | Sure, your tag doesn't have to be HEAD | 12:15 |
| ttx | you can tag a previous commit in master | 12:16 |
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| TheJulia | okay, so then that is a viable plan, and gets us out of headaches with back porting a reno possibly or editing a reno in a branch | 12:16 |
| ttx | sounds good to me | 12:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed openstack/releases master: Release ironic 9.0.0rc1 for pike https://review.openstack.org/494530 | 12:56 |
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| ttx | TheJulia: your release model (cycle-with-intermediary) doesn't use RCs, you have to cut a full release | 13:11 |
| TheJulia | Yeah, realized after I uploaded that. We're trying to figure out how to get out of being between a rock and hard place at the moment | 13:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hongbin Lu proposed openstack/releases master: Release zun 0.2.0 and create stable branch https://review.openstack.org/494541 | 13:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed openstack/releases master: Release ironic 9.0.0 for pike https://review.openstack.org/494530 | 13:26 |
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| TheJulia | ttx: We've come up with a new plan to get us unblocked, and I've updated the release request accordingly | 13:37 |
| ttx | ack, will process | 13:39 |
| TheJulia | thanks | 13:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: Add Pike release notes links https://review.openstack.org/494556 | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Add release note links for Cinder projects https://review.openstack.org/493922 | 13:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Fix release notes link of Watcher for Pike https://review.openstack.org/493773 | 13:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release ironic-inspector 6.0.0 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/494209 | 13:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/releases master: Release keystone 12.0.0.0rc2 https://review.openstack.org/494559 | 13:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release Tricircle 4.0.0 and create stable branch https://review.openstack.org/494454 | 13:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release zun 0.2.0 and create stable branch https://review.openstack.org/494541 | 13:59 |
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| ttx | andreaf, mtreinish: shall we have a stable/pike branch cut out of patrole 0.1.0 ? | 14:04 |
| ttx | Qiming: reminder: we'll need a release for senlin-dashboard very soon now | 14:06 |
| andreaf | ttx: I think the plan for patrole is to be branchless like tempest - so same release model | 14:07 |
| ttx | andreaf: ok, will propose adjustment then | 14:07 |
| andreaf | ttx: I will check tonight at the QA meeting with the patrole folks if they are ready for that | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Question on that release note patch. Could just be also related to my generally never remembering the difference between using > and | | 14:14 |
| ttx | smcginnis: just replied | 14:15 |
| ttx | I think it's correct, but then since I merged your cinder releasenotes patch, I'll probably have to rebase and edit that out | 14:15 |
| TheJulia | ttx: comments posted to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494530 | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Hopefully it can just handle that merge without a rebase. | 14:23 |
| mtreinish | andreaf, ttx: right patrole is branchless: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/patrole/tree/README.rst#n82 | 14:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release ironic 9.0.0 for pike https://review.openstack.org/494530 | 14:28 |
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| robcresswell | So, when *should* Ironic branch? At final RC date (24th?) ? Or first RC date (10th)? | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Christophe Sauthier proposed openstack/releases master: Release cloudkitty and cloudkitty-dashboard 6.0.0 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/494585 | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/releases master: Release os-service-types 1.1.0 https://review.openstack.org/494586 | 14:40 |
| robcresswell | I'm just curious how that model works | 14:40 |
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| ttx | robcresswell: it's their choice really. Personally I'd say the sooner the better. You decide when the pain of freezing master exceeds the pain of backporting fixes | 14:41 |
| ttx | depends on how much of master activity is critical bugfixing | 14:41 |
| mordred | ttx, dims, smcginnis: https://review.openstack.org/494586 is needed to unwedge project-config patches if you have a second | 14:44 |
| robcresswell | ttx: Yeah, that's what I've been discussing. May as well cut release and branch on the 10th with everyone else; if anything breaks due to other release candidates, you can backport like normal. | 14:45 |
| ttx | mordred: queens release ? is that intended ? | 14:45 |
| mordred | we've also identified a need for a gate job to prevent such things from happening in the future - and have project-config patches prepped to use the lib directly already as well - so although we had a morning oops, I think we learned the places to fix :) | 14:45 |
| ttx | robcresswell: yes, that's my preference as well | 14:45 |
| mordred | ttx: it could be either - ost isn't really a release-tied library - its more like tzdata - the latest always should be accurate | 14:46 |
| robcresswell | ttx: Couldnt they just have an RC like -with-milestones? | 14:46 |
| mordred | ttx: would you prefer we move that to pike? | 14:46 |
| ttx | mordred: hmm, feels like it should be release-independent then | 14:46 |
| * ttx digs deeper | 14:47 | |
| mordred | ttx: ok. we can switch it to that | 14:47 |
| ttx | hmm, probably a bit complicated at this stage | 14:47 |
| ttx | since it has a stable branch | 14:47 |
| ttx | I suspect things depend on it | 14:48 |
| mordred | nothing yet depends on it | 14:48 |
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| mordred | I mean, other than project-config, that is | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | hello there | 14:50 |
| EmilienM | I'm reading https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html#p-trailing-rc | 14:50 |
| ttx | arh | 14:50 |
| mordred | we could also backport the relevant bits to stable/pike and cut a point-release there, cut this as a queens release but then switch to release-independent? | 14:50 |
| mordred | ttx: or we could just kill the stable/pike branch and switchto release independent before things get too complicated | 14:50 |
| EmilienM | and I'm wondering if we can tag tripleo rc1 but not branching yet and tag at rc2 at R+0 on Aug 28 - Sep 01 | 14:50 |
| mordred | or something else :) | 14:50 |
| * mordred is happy to roll in whichever direction you think best | 14:51 | |
| ttx | one question at a time! | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | or if I should just tag rc1 at R+0 Aug 28 - Sep 01 and tag final 2 weeks after | 14:51 |
| mordred | EmilienM: I got here first! ;) | 14:51 |
| ttx | Wondering if it's not better to kill the stable/pike branch and switch model | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | mordred: NO I WAS FIRST | 14:51 |
| * EmilienM goes crying now | 14:51 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:51 |
| ttx | since we'll have to do that anyway at some point | 14:51 |
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| mordred | ttx: yah. let's do that - it's more in-line with the intent of the lib - a stable releaes of it makes no sense at all | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | mordred, ttx: ++ | 14:52 |
| mordred | since it's a lib for tracking tzdata-like data that always needs to be current even for old things | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | EmilienM: The branch should really be created with the RC. | 14:52 |
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| mordred | ttx: steps to switch are to remove entries from o/releases and then the governance patch, right? | 14:52 |
| * ttx wonders if there is no rule around library all needing to be cycle-with-intermediary for some reason | 14:52 | |
| EmilienM | smcginnis: the first RC? | 14:52 |
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| smcginnis | EmilienM: Yeah | 14:52 |
| mordred | and updating gerrit permissions | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | ok I got my answer then | 14:52 |
| * mordred gets to work | 14:53 | |
| EmilienM | mordred: before you AHAHAHA | 14:53 |
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| smcginnis | Hah! | 14:53 |
| ttx | mordred: I seem to remember that having library in the _indepdendnt model was triggering misery | 14:53 |
| EmilienM | smcginnis: thanks | 14:53 |
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| * ttx looks for precedent | 14:53 | |
| mordred | ttx: I think in this case it'll be like assuming it's a non-openstack lib | 14:53 |
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| ttx | Looks like we have pbr as a precedent | 14:54 |
| mordred | ttx: I am certain someone from a distro is going to complain to me that there is no stable branch - but for this specific library I'm quite willing to be very firm with them and request a tzdata-like exception | 14:54 |
| ttx | mordred: the misery was more about all things in requirements needing a stable/pike branch or something | 14:54 |
| mordred | also - this current issue notwithstanding, it really isn't going to change often (we discovered an edge-case in the underlying data with nova + placement) | 14:55 |
| ttx | maybe dims remembers | 14:55 |
| efried | mordred Let me know if I need to take action on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494586 - but sounds like you're gonna handle it? | 14:55 |
| * dims peeks | 14:55 | |
| mordred | ttx: I think that has to do with things that co-gate | 14:55 |
| ttx | dims: mordred proposes to turn os_service-types to _independent | 14:55 |
| ttx | It's a lib in requirements, but not yet used anywhere | 14:55 |
| efried | ttx dims Shortly to be used in nova: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488137/ | 14:56 |
| ttx | it has a stable/pike branch, which we could remove if needed | 14:56 |
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| dims | ttx : then we just treat it like a library we get from the python eco system .. | 14:56 |
| mordred | dims: yes | 14:56 |
| ttx | yeah, I think that works | 14:56 |
| dims | ttx : yep we should remove since we just created it | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Just noticed this in the validate output of the release notes patch: http://logs.openstack.org/56/494556/1/check/gate-releases-tox-validate-ubuntu-xenial/04eec05/console.html#_2017-08-17_14_17_04_772556 | 14:57 |
| mordred | once it's in nova we don't want pike nova in 2 years using a 2-year-old os-service-types | 14:57 |
| mordred | cool. I can remove the branch, update the gerrit perms and submit governance patche | 14:57 |
| dims | mordred : you would request a bump in requirements stable/pike branch | 14:57 |
| ttx | mordred: ok, prepare a patch that moves the file to _independent, remove the stable/pike mention | 14:58 |
| dims | mordred : and convince requirements folks that it is a good thing | 14:58 |
| ttx | mordred: in the same time make sure we have some infra-core around to kill the branch | 14:58 |
| mordred | dims: well - it should never be capped - there is only ever one valid set of data | 14:58 |
| mordred | ttx: luckily I can fill that role too :) | 14:58 |
| ttx | smcginnis: ew | 14:58 |
| dims | mordred : talking about u-c, not g-r | 14:58 |
| ttx | EmilienM: I would tag and branch at R+0 | 14:59 |
| dims | mordred : on the requirements side, there's a list we could add this to | 14:59 |
| EmilienM | ttx: perfect. That's the plan. Just sent update on ML | 14:59 |
| ttx | EmilienM: oh wait | 15:00 |
| mordred | dims: ah. gotcha | 15:00 |
| mordred | dims: yah | 15:00 |
| ttx | EmilienM: In theory you had your FF last week | 15:00 |
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| dims | mordred : see blacklist.txt | 15:00 |
| ttx | and it's your *final* RCs you should have on R+0 | 15:00 |
| dims | mordred : we use that for example with flake8 | 15:00 |
| ttx | EmilienM: so if we follow that you should do RC1 around now and branch | 15:01 |
| ttx | EmilienM: but since this model is tailor-made for you, I'm OK with some flexibility there | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | ttx: we're still dealing with critical upgrade things | 15:02 |
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| EmilienM | branching now wouldn't help us at all | 15:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/releases master: Unmanage os-service-types https://review.openstack.org/494586 | 15:02 |
| ttx | Right, so cut your RC1 when you have a real release candidate, something that kinda works | 15:02 |
| ttx | and branch from there | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Risk is it's up to the team to make sure nothing unwanted gets merged to master between that FF and the actual RC, right? | 15:02 |
| ttx | in all cases before R+0 | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | we'll do that. Tag on August 28 probably | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:02 |
| ttx | EmilienM: ++ | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | before R+0 - ack and noted in my agenda. | 15:03 |
| mordred | remote: https://review.openstack.org/494597 Blacklist os-service-types from upper-constraints fwiw | 15:04 |
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| mordred | dims: thanks for the blacklist thought | 15:04 |
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| efried | mordred Your statement in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494586/2//COMMIT_MSG reads more like it was intended for sta than ost. | 15:05 |
| efried | mordred And by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494597/ we're what, committing that we'll never break backward compatibility, and never rely on new features?? | 15:06 |
| ttx | EmilienM: you've got a few os-* things in TripleO that are not on cycle-trailing mode though | 15:06 |
| efried | mordred None of this seems right. | 15:06 |
| ttx | EmilienM: paunch, os-apply-config, os-collect-config, os-net-config, os-refresh-config | 15:06 |
| ttx | those will need stable/pike branch asap | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | working on it | 15:07 |
| ttx | cool! | 15:07 |
| efried | mordred I don't necessarily dispute that ost need not follow releases. But I don't agree that consumers shouldn't be able to constrain versions. | 15:08 |
| mordred | efried: we're definitely committing to backwards compat - and as long as new features are additive and don't break previous features we should be fine | 15:08 |
| mordred | efried: oh - consumers can certainly constrain versions | 15:08 |
| dims | ttx : smcginnis : prometheanfire : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493057/ merged last night, haven't heard problems (yet!). so we are probably good to move ahead with rc2 and requirements unfreeze | 15:09 |
| efried | mordred Oh - so I can put a version spec in my project's requirements.txt, and nobody will complain because it's not in u-c? | 15:09 |
| mordred | efried: I'm just saying that latest ost should also always be *safe* to use in older releases - and we need to be careful that we don't make changes to service-types-authority that would break people who aare using old versions but with the "fetch remote data" option | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | dims: \o/ | 15:10 |
| mordred | efried: you can - but there should be no need to - and honestly we should set up a d-g job for ost that verifies that changes to master of ost do not break stable/pike nova, for instance - after this initial push to get ost/sta out the door, we should switch to being VERY careful about any changes we make to it and ensure that they don't break anyone - both from a data perspective and a code | 15:11 |
| mordred | perspective | 15:11 |
| mordred | efried: (like, the placement addition would have actually broken consumers of the data and we would honestly have needed to have figured something else out (no clue what - thank god we didn't have to figure something else out) | 15:12 |
| mordred | efried: but - I think this is a great debate to have and we should get a big pile of clarity on it so we're all on the same page - and maybe I'm wrong about the unconstrained part (luckily I tihnknwe don't have to actually all agree on this until the NEXT release we want to make) | 15:14 |
| efried | mordred This just seems like a dangerous stake to put in the ground, guaranteeing backward compat forever. | 15:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/releases master: Release TripleO Pike cycle-with-intermediary https://review.openstack.org/494602 | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | ttx: ^ | 15:14 |
| mordred | efried: I like dangerous stakes :) | 15:15 |
| mordred | efried: seroiusly though -the most important backward-compat-forever stake is STA itself | 15:15 |
| efried | mordred That I agree with. | 15:15 |
| mordred | efried: since we've published api consumption guidelines that tell REST consumers they can depend on that as a data source | 15:15 |
| efried | Which we're screwing with our latest set of patches. | 15:15 |
| efried | Moving forward, it seems like once we've published a primary service_type, we can never ever change it. | 15:16 |
| mordred | efried: well - yes. although cdent pointed out that the thing we screwed wasn't actually a thing we'd defined before (the project/service-type reverse mapping) | 15:16 |
| efried | I'm talking about the senlin thin. | 15:16 |
| efried | thing. | 15:16 |
| mordred | yah. so - *that* is a slightly different problem and one that we do need to solve | 15:17 |
| efried | Well, in order to support that, consumers would 100% have to be accounting for aliases *and* treating primary + aliases the same. | 15:17 |
| mordred | the STA answer for that is to do what we did - move the old name to aliases and add a new name - but we don't have a process in place for dealing with that change in the checks we do to ensure projects publish to the right location | 15:17 |
| efried | That publishing check is just one example of the class of problem, though. | 15:18 |
| mordred | efried: what we might want to now instead of what we're currently doing is take a page from what we just added for project-name mapping .. and have the publication job hardwired to publish to the official location from ost based on project name - and only pass in a name if it needs to override that, like placement | 15:18 |
| mordred | efried: it is | 15:18 |
| mordred | efried: we should probably shift out of the nice release people's channel | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/releases master: Release Octavia RC2 https://review.openstack.org/494606 | 15:21 |
| ttx | smcginnis, dims: see draft for release countdown email @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/G9KqDsjlSu -- I'll update the list of stragglers tomorrow morning just before sending | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Looking | 15:23 |
| dims | ack ttx. stepping out for a bit, will look when i get back | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Oh, that reminds me. There was a question that maybe you could give some background for on a _independent release patch. | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | Need to track down that link quick. | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494224/ | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I don't have the history on why we now enforce stable/[known name] now, but doesn't sound like that fits with them. | 15:25 |
| ttx | yeah, sounds like a Doug question | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | Countdown email looks good to me. | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andy McCrae proposed openstack/releases master: Release OpenStack-Ansible rc1 https://review.openstack.org/494622 | 16:08 |
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| prometheanfire | andymccr: you've branched? | 16:37 |
| prometheanfire | no :| | 16:37 |
| prometheanfire | oh, part of it | 16:37 |
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| dims | ttx : "before August 24" may be specify a UTC time? | 16:54 |
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| dims | looks good @ttx | 16:56 |
| ttx | dims: EOB | 16:59 |
| dims | dtantsur : is the grenade situation better now? i remember you mentioning about issues with ironic | 16:59 |
| dims | ack ttx | 17:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christophe Sauthier proposed openstack/releases master: Release cloudkitty and cloudkitty-dashboard 6.0.0 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/494585 | 17:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andy McCrae proposed openstack/releases master: Release OpenStack-Ansible rc1 https://review.openstack.org/494622 | 20:03 |
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| EmilienM | smcginnis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494602/ is ready for review | 20:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Christophe Sauthier proposed openstack/releases master: Release cloudkitty and cloudkitty-dashboard 6.0.0 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/494585 | 20:44 |
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| smcginnis | EmilienM: Done | 21:11 |
| EmilienM | wouhouu | 21:11 |
| EmilienM | thanks :) | 21:11 |
| * EmilienM makes the magic release dance | 21:11 | |
| smcginnis | Haha, is that something like this? https://giphy.com/gifs/nicholas-brendon-hanselsummers-snoopy-dance-M1aV0euL3vKPm | 21:16 |
| smcginnis | :) | 21:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release TripleO Pike cycle-with-intermediary https://review.openstack.org/494602 | 21:20 |
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