mriedem | smcginnis: thanks re https://review.opendev.org/#/c/669014/ | 00:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: List deliverables not released since given date https://review.opendev.org/669186 | 08:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Switch to ruamel for yaml handling https://review.opendev.org/669717 | 09:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Skip branch checking on EOL deliverables https://review.opendev.org/669745 | 09:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: release openstack/ansible-role-chrony 1.0.1 https://review.opendev.org/669716 | 09:13 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release os-brick 2.9.1 https://review.opendev.org/669768 | 09:13 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Add oslo.limit deliverable https://review.opendev.org/669914 | 09:16 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release cinderclient 4.2.1 https://review.opendev.org/669763 | 09:16 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release cinder 14.0.1 https://review.opendev.org/669771 | 09:16 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release OpenStack-Ansible Stein RC4 https://review.opendev.org/670099 | 09:19 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release os-brick 2.8.2 https://review.opendev.org/669767 | 09:24 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release os-brick 2.5.8 https://review.opendev.org/669765 | 09:28 |
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smcginnis | ttx: Did I miss something on that YAML 1.2 patch or did you? :) | 11:50 |
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* ttx looks again | 12:00 | |
ttx | Ah yes. Fooled by the longeth of the modified file list | 12:00 |
ttx | length* | 12:01 |
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smcginnis | Yeah, there were a few files in that one. ;) | 13:14 |
ttx | The validation job must be very happy about that | 13:15 |
ttx | smcginnis: do you mind chairing the meeting today? I'll have chaired the TC meeting already | 13:15 |
smcginnis | ttx: Yeah, I can do that. | 13:16 |
ttx | Agenda should be ready on the tracking etherpad | 13:16 |
smcginnis | Thanks! | 13:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: train: release python-novaclient 14.2.0 https://review.opendev.org/670345 | 16:17 |
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smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 19:00:00 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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ttx | ohai | 19:00 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 19:00 |
smcginnis | Nailed it! | 19:00 |
smcginnis | ping - ttx dhellmann diablo_rojo hberaud evrardjp armstrong | 19:00 |
armstrong | o/ | 19:00 |
smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 19:00 |
fungi | aloha | 19:00 |
smcginnis | OK, I guess we can get going. | 19:01 |
smcginnis | I will be your substitute tonyb for the today. | 19:01 |
ttx | missing the accent tho | 19:01 |
smcginnis | We are around line 227 in the etherpad. | 19:02 |
smcginnis | ;) | 19:02 |
smcginnis | #topic Train membership freeze preparation | 19:02 |
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smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-membership-freeze | 19:02 |
ttx | OK so I ran the analysis in preparation for the freeze next week | 19:02 |
ttx | err, week after | 19:02 |
diablo_rojo | o/ | 19:02 |
ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-membership-freeze | 19:02 |
ttx | On that page you can see Deliverables declared in governance but missing a train deliverable file | 19:03 |
ttx | For those, their PTLs/release liaisons need to decide whether to make it a part of Train or not | 19:03 |
ttx | (4 actions possible, listed at the top) | 19:03 |
smcginnis | Not directly related, but I wonder if we need to raise concerns about ajutant to teh TC. | 19:03 |
ttx | We can find a bunch of things that were skipped in stein already | 19:04 |
ttx | including Adjutant yes | 19:04 |
ttx | The "new" ones are probably just oversights | 19:04 |
ttx | So the way we do this is generally to engage with PTLs/liaisons on those and ask | 19:04 |
smcginnis | Do we need to be as concerned about the tempest plugins? | 19:05 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release python-keystoneclient 3.20.0 https://review.opendev.org/670187 | 19:05 |
ttx | And for those with no solution once we hit milestnoe-2, we just skip in Train | 19:05 |
ttx | smcginnis: tempest plugin we could automatically set to cycle-automatic | 19:05 |
ttx | since that is what we did to the others | 19:05 |
ttx | Helm we can also safely skip, since it would be independent if ever released | 19:06 |
smcginnis | That would make sense to me. | 19:06 |
ttx | It's the other we need to engage with | 19:06 |
ttx | Not sure how to best engage | 19:06 |
ttx | We can split teh list by affinity | 19:07 |
smcginnis | ML? Or should we try to ping some like TheJulia for the Ironic ones? | 19:07 |
ttx | or just dump a bunch of emails on -discuss | 19:07 |
ttx | and EmilienM on TripleO | 19:07 |
ttx | I propose a first round of IRC pings today/tomorrow, followed by emails early next week | 19:08 |
ttx | hmm unless that was material for the next release countdown | 19:08 |
diablo_rojo | Sounds like a solid plan to me. | 19:08 |
smcginnis | I think we've had better responses with more directed posts to openstack-discuss. | 19:08 |
smcginnis | Should we split these up? Or have one volunteer handle them all since it will mostly be cut and paste? | 19:09 |
ttx | actually we planned to mention those in next countdown | 19:09 |
ttx | so maybe informal pings until then | 19:09 |
smcginnis | OK, we can just go with that plan for now. Then if we don't get a response, follow up with directed posts and more pings afterwards. | 19:10 |
smcginnis | We at least have the data, so thanks ttx for putting that together. | 19:10 |
smcginnis | Anything more on this for now then? | 19:10 |
diablo_rojo | I can help ping some people | 19:10 |
diablo_rojo | I'll throw my name down on some in the etherpad | 19:11 |
smcginnis | Great, I think IRC is probably the most likely way to get a response. | 19:11 |
ttx | The other big thing is generating the list of intermediary-released services that haven't done a release yet. Remind teams that intermediary-released services that have not done a release by milestone-2 should be switched to the cycle-with-rc model. | 19:11 |
diablo_rojo | smcginnis, yep :) That was the plan. | 19:11 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release os-brick 2.3.8 https://review.opendev.org/669764 | 19:11 |
ttx | My patch has updated instructions for that | 19:11 |
ttx | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/669186/2/doc/source/reference/process.rst | 19:12 |
smcginnis | And IIRC, Tony had at least the start of updates to make that easier to script? | 19:12 |
ttx | dunno, just updated the list command | 19:12 |
smcginnis | Oh, I think I was thinking of yours. | 19:12 |
ttx | the idea being to publish the list for the next countdown email | 19:12 |
ttx | but that data can be generated when the email needs to be sent | 19:13 |
ttx | so that is all | 19:13 |
smcginnis | OK, thanks | 19:13 |
smcginnis | #topic tempest-plugin releases | 19:14 |
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smcginnis | I think I may have added this a couple weeks ago but we didn't have a meeting or something. | 19:14 |
smcginnis | We have a couple things going with tempest plugins. | 19:14 |
ttx | yeah, I was wondering a bit too | 19:15 |
smcginnis | There's the work to make them automatic at the end of the cycle with the idea that they are just a flag to indicate what version of the plugin is meant for what version of tempest. | 19:15 |
ttx | Looking at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670172/ this morning | 19:15 |
smcginnis | But then there are some teams that are doing multiple releases and even stable releases of their plugins. | 19:15 |
smcginnis | So I think we need to decide how we really want to handle those things. | 19:15 |
ttx | I /think/ what we did in the past is allow new releases on the latest branch | 19:15 |
ttx | it's a bit weird because they have series, but no branch | 19:15 |
smcginnis | ttx: With the cycle-automatic changes, there's nothing that would prevent someone from doing their own releases ahead of time, right? | 19:16 |
ttx | so "stein" is their master | 19:16 |
smcginnis | Yeah, good point about no stable branch. | 19:16 |
fungi | the plugins are in their own repos separate from the services they're testing, right? | 19:16 |
smcginnis | Yep | 19:16 |
ttx | smcginnis: no, they would just alter the release model atr the same time they are doing release | 19:16 |
ttx | It's just a "default" model in case they don't | 19:16 |
fungi | i thought the idea was tempest plugin repos would remain branchless like tempest itself? | 19:16 |
ttx | fungi: yes, but they still have "stein" deliverables | 19:17 |
fungi | ahh, i see | 19:17 |
smcginnis | OK, so if we set them to automatic and then they decide they want to do a milestone-2 release, they would just have to switch over to cycle-with-intermediary - right? | 19:17 |
ttx | yes | 19:17 |
ttx | fungi: so you can't do a new... rocky release say | 19:17 |
ttx | but at this point you can either do another stein release, or the first train release | 19:18 |
fungi | i guess there's no explicit metadata right now to indicate intentionally branchless repos? | 19:18 |
fungi | or is there? | 19:18 |
ttx | nothing except the fact that they have no stable branch in an "old" series | 19:18 |
ttx | It's always been a bit of a one-off | 19:18 |
smcginnis | When the idea of even tagging tempest plugins was raised on the ML, it was very much opposed by some. | 19:19 |
ttx | But every time I dive into it, the can of worms ends up eating me alive | 19:19 |
ttx | and I just defer to someone that knows better | 19:19 |
ttx | So yeah, the reality is, they are more of a single channel, with a pointer having the name of the series | 19:19 |
smcginnis | Theoretically, and very of the plugin should work against any version of a deployment. It was more to make sure the plugins were compatible with the release of tempest itself being used. | 19:20 |
ttx | instead of muletiple stable channels | 19:20 |
smcginnis | s/and very/any version/ | 19:20 |
smcginnis | Typing not working well for me today. | 19:20 |
ttx | We could achieve the same with _independent + a documentation saying which version is to be used with which series | 19:20 |
smcginnis | That actually seems a little simpler. Though we lose some of the implicit documenation of seeing with cycle the release was part of by which deliverable it was in. | 19:21 |
smcginnis | And it showing up in https://releases.openstack.org/stein/index.html#tempest-plugins | 19:21 |
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ttx | also I think tempest ends up magically using the right thing | 19:21 |
ttx | so yeah... probably better to leave it alone | 19:21 |
smcginnis | Just what I was thinking. | 19:22 |
smcginnis | Let teams do extra releases if they feel a need for them. | 19:22 |
smcginnis | Switch the others to automatic for the ones that don't want to care or worry about it. | 19:22 |
ttx | but we should find a way to document this, because it confuses the hell out of me every time | 19:22 |
fungi | right, if i recall the discussion (from... denver ptg ii?) it was that folks are runnnig older tempest releases for refstack/interop conformance and need to know what plugin versions to use with them | 19:22 |
smcginnis | Yeah, something like that. | 19:22 |
ttx | So we should approve https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670172/4 | 19:23 |
smcginnis | I guess so. | 19:23 |
ttx | despite its confsing commit message, it's actually right | 19:23 |
* ttx +2s | 19:23 | |
smcginnis | So it will show up under stein at least, just not on a stable/stein branch. | 19:24 |
smcginnis | Which sounds to be their intent. | 19:24 |
smcginnis | And then they will do a release later for train. | 19:24 |
ttx | yes. And we should definitely refuse a bump on an old series | 19:24 |
smcginnis | And if they find something else they think they need in stein, that's just not going to be possible. | 19:24 |
ttx | once you start callign things train, you can't go back | 19:24 |
smcginnis | One way train. | 19:25 |
ttx | slow clap | 19:25 |
smcginnis | :P | 19:25 |
fungi | this is why i was thinking if projects could be flagged that they're explicitly branchless, it gives you an opportunity to reject them via ci jobs when they try to bump older series (or accidentally add a branch parameter for that matter) | 19:25 |
ttx | https://giphy.com/gifs/mlb-tips-jonathan-villar-ATlL0sKCXwsWk/fullscreen | 19:26 |
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smcginnis | We do reject branch requests on those. | 19:26 |
fungi | but if it doesn't come up often, then maybe not worth the effort to automate | 19:26 |
smcginnis | Haha, the gif game has made its way here too. | 19:26 |
ttx | can't put the gif game back into the bottle | 19:26 |
smcginnis | :) | 19:27 |
smcginnis | OK, so there's still confusion, but at least less confusion than before. | 19:27 |
smcginnis | Good enough for now. | 19:27 |
smcginnis | Those were the only two things on the agenda. Any other topics? | 19:27 |
ttx | I'll likely miss next two meetings, so if you have questions on PROCESS tasks... | 19:28 |
ttx | https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/doc/source/reference/process.rst#between-milestone-1-and-milestone-2 | 19:28 |
ttx | ew | 19:28 |
smcginnis | I am out the next two weeks as well. | 19:28 |
ttx | damnit google | 19:28 |
smcginnis | Should be able to check in from time to time. | 19:28 |
ttx | https://opendev.org/openstack/releases/src/branch/master/doc/source/reference/process.rst#between-milestone-1-and-milestone-2 | 19:29 |
ttx | there | 19:29 |
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ttx | got to prefer funky syntax highlight | 19:29 |
smcginnis | Is Tony back next week? | 19:30 |
ttx | yes | 19:30 |
smcginnis | Most of those tasks are related to the countdown email, so as long as that gets sent. | 19:30 |
ttx | All tasks listed affect the email he needs to send | 19:30 |
ttx | indeed | 19:31 |
ttx | It's an important one, since we need to warn people of what we'll do if they don;t act | 19:31 |
diablo_rojo | So should I just ping all the deliverables with missing deliverable file folks? Or does someone want half? :) | 19:31 |
ttx | We missed a couple warnings last milestones and that delayed the whole thing | 19:32 |
smcginnis | Maybe we should all set reminders to remind Tony next week. | 19:32 |
ttx | diablo_rojo: I would just ping them on release channel, pointing them to the etherpad | 19:32 |
ttx | If they are not here, I would not chase them down | 19:32 |
fungi | i plan to just turn my entire to do list into reminders for tony next week ;) | 19:32 |
ttx | They can take the next train | 19:32 |
diablo_rojo | ttx, noted | 19:33 |
diablo_rojo | can do | 19:33 |
fungi | the train with no name | 19:33 |
* fungi is, like neil young, riding through the desert on a train with no name | 19:33 | |
ttx | https://tenor.com/view/train-nowhere-gif-7641604 | 19:33 |
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diablo_rojo | http://gph.is/22ZevDy | 19:34 |
diablo_rojo | read as 'no deliverable file' | 19:34 |
fungi | oh, hah, that song wasn't even neil young. certainly sounded like him though | 19:34 |
smcginnis | Hopefully not https://tenor.com/view/tight-tightfit-train-gif-4902750 | 19:35 |
smcginnis | OK, anything else? | 19:35 |
ttx | nope | 19:35 |
diablo_rojo | None from me | 19:35 |
smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 19:36 |
fungi | my favorite train line terminus is the northbound blue in boston to "wonderland" | 19:36 |
smcginnis | #endmeeting | 19:36 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 19:36:25 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:36 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-07-11-19.00.html | 19:36 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-07-11-19.00.txt | 19:36 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-07-11-19.00.log.html | 19:36 |
smcginnis | Was trying to find a gif related to the Star Trek holodeck episode for extra geek cred, but failed. | 19:36 |
fungi | your tony impression could do with some work, mate | 19:37 |
fungi | not nearly enough extra "u" in your words | 19:37 |
smcginnis | Haha, true. | 19:38 |
smcginnis | I never was good at impressions. | 19:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release manila-tempest-plugin 0.3.0 https://review.opendev.org/670172 | 19:46 |
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EmilienM | ttx: sorry I was afk | 20:45 |
EmilienM | smcginnis: ^ how can I help? | 20:46 |
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smcginnis | EmilienM: Hey! We were just talking in the meeting about the milestone-2 cutoff for things to be included in the train release. | 20:54 |
smcginnis | https://releases.openstack.org/train/schedule.html#t-mf | 20:54 |
smcginnis | ttx ran a query to see what cycle-with-intermediary deliverables had not been released yet and there were a few TripleO ones. | 20:54 |
smcginnis | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-membership-freeze | 20:54 |
smcginnis | At the top there he put the four options for those. | 20:55 |
smcginnis | I should correct myself, not cycle-with-intermediary. | 20:55 |
smcginnis | Repos under governance that do not have a deliverable file in the deliverables/train folder yet. | 20:55 |
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EmilienM | smcginnis: I put notes in etherpad for tripleo | 21:31 |
EmilienM | but no releases are needed | 21:31 |
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smcginnis | Thanks EmilienM | 21:41 |
openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/releases master: Release keystoneauth 3.15.0 https://review.opendev.org/670400 | 21:49 |
openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/releases master: Release keystoneauth 3.15.0 https://review.opendev.org/670400 | 22:02 |
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