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| smcginnis | 2~ | 15:26 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 16:00:02 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping ttx dhellmann diablo_rojo hberaud evrardjp armstrong tonyb | 16:00 |
| armstrong | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 16:00 |
| fungi | heyhey kids! | 16:00 |
| hberaud | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Looks like we're around line 490 in the tracking etherpad. | 16:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:01 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | OK, looks like that's probably everyone. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic What if anything to do with lib release stragglers | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "What if anything to do with lib release stragglers (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:02 | |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-library-tracking | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I haven't rerun that to see if anything has changed, but I don't think so. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Most are probably fine, other than some of these then needing to be backported to stable/train after branching. | 16:04 |
| ttx | smcginnis: at one point we said that every change needs to be released | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Some of these are probably minor enough that they could just be considered ussuri changes. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Some not though. | 16:05 |
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| ttx | hmm | 16:06 |
| ttx | I think it's too late now, and those should be considered Ussuri | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Yeah. :/ | 16:07 |
| ttx | If they want those in Train, follow the FFE procedure | 16:08 |
| ttx | there is only so much we can do to prevent library authors from shooting themselves in the foot | 16:08 |
| ttx | I thought we would autorelease libs though | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | It's kind of late, but should we send out this list to the ML. | 16:08 |
| ttx | line 469 says so | 16:09 |
| ttx | and line 443 | 16:09 |
| ttx | "Generate release requests for all libraries which had changes. " | 16:09 |
| ttx | what did we miss? | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Good question. | 16:10 |
| ttx | did those changes land after those releases? | 16:10 |
| ttx | (and our error is that we should have branched earlier) | 16:10 |
| ttx | or did they somehow fall through | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Looking at the timestamps, some did merge after. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Some were there, but maybe since they were only one or two they didn't get release requests? | 16:11 |
| ttx | so the issue is that we failed to branch? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | But for the freeze, we need to make sure even single commits get released. | 16:12 |
| ttx | smcginnis: alternatively, lets release all of them | 16:12 |
| ttx | but needs to be this week | 16:12 |
| ttx | otherwise that would be pushing it | 16:12 |
| ttx | hmm that would mean a bunch of requirements bumps... probably not a great idea | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Actually, I was able to remove a few that we did end up doing releases for after I generated that. | 16:13 |
| fungi | but better this week than any closer to release | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | So most are just trivial changes that probably are OK to count as ussuri changes. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | And the ones that are not, those teams can backport to stable/train and do a stable release once the freeze is over. | 16:14 |
| ttx | yeah | 16:14 |
| ttx | Let me cross those out | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | It's just a matter of a few weeks yet. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | So unless something is completely broken, at this point I say let's get that branching patch merged and treat these as normal stable blackport issues. | 16:15 |
| ttx | yeah | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | If the teams actually feel like they need to backport, that is. | 16:15 |
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| ttx | But I'd still check why those were missed in earlier autoreleases | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | A few are things for the pdf docs. Those are fine just getting picked up with ussuri I think. | 16:16 |
| ttx | like is it all changes that landed after the autorelease | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Realizing the timestamps here are the commit timestamps, not the merge timestamps, so it's possible these actually did land after the autorelease. | 16:17 |
| ttx | yes, let's not solve it in-meeting | 16:17 |
| ttx | adding to next week tasks | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | I am kinda lost in all of that, so I have trouble to follow | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | For not, let's just all take a mental note to pay close attention to that next time around too. | 16:17 |
| ttx | smcginnis: maybe it's just that we should have branched a deadline time | 16:18 |
| ttx | branched at | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Basically the issue is for the autoreleases we do for milestone 1 and 2, if it's only 1 or 2 commits we might skip doing them. | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | evrardjp: But for the final freeze, we need to make sure all commits are released so stable branch creation includes all work done. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | The ones that didn't get included now either have to be part of ussuri, or we would need to do a requirements FFE to get those out now. | 16:18 |
| evrardjp | got it. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Which carries the risk that it would have a ripple effect of making others have to do releases. | 16:19 |
| ttx | ok task added, let's move on | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | ++ thanks | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | #topic Review accomplished week tasks | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review accomplished week tasks (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:19 | |
| smcginnis | 1- kayobe | 16:19 |
| ttx | yeah that was fixed and merged | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | 2- old deliverables | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Only ironic | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/009515.html | 16:20 |
| ttx | Only Ironic fell in that category | 16:20 |
| ttx | PTL warned and acked | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | 3- Countdown email content | 16:21 |
| ttx | Proposed email is down to line ~463 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-weekly-emails | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | I reviewed right before the meeting. Everything looks good to me. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Anyone else have any feedback on it? | 16:21 |
| ttx | there is a subtlety beyond what the process mandates here | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | If not, I will send this out either later today or tomorrow morning. | 16:22 |
| ttx | basically on RC1 week we do cycle-with-rc's RC1s and branching, as well as force things that did not release at all yet | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | Which by this point should only include cycle-with-intermediary service deliverables. | 16:23 |
| ttx | But cycle-with-intermediary things that have done a train release (that we can fallback to), we give them an extra week to refresh | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Or "other" | 16:23 |
| ttx | before we branch | 16:23 |
| ttx | so next week all RC things and all libs should be branched | 16:24 |
| ttx | and the week after, all intermediary things should be branched | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | So branch cycle-with-rc. Release cycle-with-intermediary but wait to force a branch until the following week. Sound about right? | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | They can propose the branch creation if they want to before then of course. | 16:24 |
| ttx | well, intermediary things that have not released any train, I would include the branch creation in the autorelease | 16:25 |
| ttx | (next week) | 16:25 |
| ttx | because it's unlikely that they are following along | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, true. | 16:26 |
| ttx | I mean they can always stop us | 16:26 |
| ttx | I think we should systematically branch in the autorelease | 16:26 |
| * smcginnis checks if we've captured the gist of this in next weeks tasks | 16:26 | |
| ttx | they can -1 it if they object | 16:26 |
| ttx | and it would save us extra work down teh line | 16:26 |
| ttx | if they don;t | 16:26 |
| ttx | yes | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | Ah, so that original note we want to change. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | It said no stable branch creation, but now we are saying yes we should. | 16:27 |
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| ttx | yes | 16:28 |
| ttx | I see no reason not to | 16:28 |
| ttx | I mean they can still object to it being cut | 16:28 |
| ttx | But we should propose it by default imho | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | And if they don't object, that's another indication that they are not playing along. | 16:28 |
| ttx | hmmm what about cycle-automatic | 16:29 |
| ttx | says we should not | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Most of those are brachless (tempest plugins) | 16:29 |
| ttx | ah right | 16:29 |
| ttx | "Those do not need a stable branch created" says the definition | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:29 |
| ttx | ok let's continue reviewing tasks there | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | #topic Review and assign next weeks tasks | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review and assign next weeks tasks (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:30 | |
| smcginnis | Really bad timing, but I am at two different conferences on opposite coasts of the US next week. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | So if someone else can sign up for these tasks, that would be best. | 16:31 |
| ttx | did you use any script to generate those in the past? | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | I will catch up and pitch in whenever I'm able to. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | This is our first cycle-automatic. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | I think Tony had started a script to do batch release proposals, grouping by teams. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Not sure if that's posted or not. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Didn't you have a nice bash script or something you used last time? | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | mmm | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | sorry catching up I was in another meeting at the same time | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | I don't have a script to batch release proposal handy, I probably removed it after use | 16:34 |
| ttx | I can easily generate lists of things we need to release | 16:34 |
| evrardjp | but I can help | 16:34 |
| ttx | then we can pick up / script them somehow | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Would you have the time next week to take the release tasks for next week? | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Help from ttx, and me whenever I'm able to get online without too many distractions. | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | as long as it's before wednesday, as I seem to have an extra travel on Thursday friday. | 16:35 |
| ttx | has to be done early in the week | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | yeah I see | 16:36 |
| ttx | I wonder if we should not finalize a quick-and-dirty script | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | I have events and travel on Thursday, but think I should be "butt in seat" on Friday. | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | ttx: do you mind if we pair along tomorrow to quick-and-dirty the script? | 16:37 |
| ttx | evrardjp: I can try... | 16:37 |
| ttx | lots of things this week | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | yeah I can start writing and you'll say it's plain wrong | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | :D | 16:37 |
| ttx | Oh I can do that | 16:37 |
| ttx | yes, let's sync tomorrow | 16:38 |
| ttx | Feels like the number of things to generate justifies it | 16:38 |
| ttx | 31 cycle-automatic things | 16:38 |
| ttx | and like 80 cycle-with-rc things | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | And we'll need to do these cycle-automatic ones every cycle, so having a script will be important. | 16:39 |
| ttx | + the cycle-with-intermediary stragglers... like 10 of them | 16:39 |
| ttx | I just wish we had identified that need sooner | 16:39 |
| ttx | could have worked on that in a plane! | 16:40 |
| ttx | smcginnis: can you take the first task of analyzing why we missed things in libraries? | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I'll try to take a look through those and see what might have happened. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | I'll add notes to that etherpad if I find anything interesting. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | OK, so I think we're set on next weeks tasks. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | I'm not 100% sure I'll be available at this time next week. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Would one of you be able to run the meeting if I'm a no show? | 16:42 |
| ttx | evrardjp: there are a bunch of scripts to propose releases already (new-release, propose-library-branches) | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | I am 100% sure I won't smcginnis | 16:42 |
| ttx | so it might just be very close | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | ttx: yeah, that's what I used last time. | 16:43 |
| ttx | should we move the meetign to Friday so that it's not just me | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | So option can be we skip the meeting and just catch up asynchronously in channel as we're each available. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Or yeah, as a special one time offer, we can move to Fridya. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | I would be available then. | 16:43 |
| ttx | I think it would be good to process the autoreleases that did not get any feedback on Friday | 16:43 |
| ttx | have a hard stop at 16utc on Friday | 16:44 |
| ttx | can do anytime before | 16:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/releases master: Releases for Octavia Queens, Rocky and Stein https://review.opendev.org/683202 | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | I think it's a good idea, but I cannot ensure I will be there, probably still in conference or in travel. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I can do 1500 Friday. | 16:45 |
| ttx | ok deal | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Great, updates on my calendar. | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | I'll post a notice to the ML to let others know in case they care. | 16:45 |
| ttx | ok | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:47 | |
| smcginnis | Anything else for today then? | 16:47 |
| ttx | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2019-September/002794.html | 16:47 |
| ttx | now the dats is official | 16:48 |
| ttx | date | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | Would be good to finalize the U schedule now that we have that. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | Does the current proposal align well? | 16:48 |
| ttx | 3 empty weeks between release and event | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Seems pretty good then. | 16:50 |
| ttx | which is a bit large, but not usual. And that cycle is long already | 16:50 |
| ttx | not unusual I mean | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Better than having it the same week. ;) | 16:50 |
| ttx | or the week after | 16:51 |
| ttx | nothing like doing a release and packing luggage at the same time | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | If we're good with it overall, I can get those nits updated. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | I'm sure some folks would appreciate having a schedule to help plan. | 16:51 |
| ttx | yes, please update, then post a new ML post to flag it for final review? | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | Good plan. | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | OK, nothing more from me then. | 16:53 |
| fungi | oh, one bit of good infra news... during the last gerrit restart we implemented a configuration change to disable auto-replication at startup, so you no longer need to be wary of approving releases immediately following a gerrit restart now that there's no longer a multi-hour replication backlog to contend with every time we do that | 16:53 |
| ttx | nothing from me | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Great! | 16:53 |
| fungi | so we'll still be wary of restarting the opendev gerrit if there are release jobs in flight so they're not lost, but triggering more right after a restart should be fine | 16:54 |
| fungi | anyway, that's all i had | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 16:55:10 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-09-19-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-09-19-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-09-19-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
| ttx | thanks smcginnis ! | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | thanks smcginnis | 16:55 |
| fungi | thanks for chairing, smcginnis! | 16:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/releases master: Proposed release schedule for Ussuri https://review.opendev.org/679822 | 17:03 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: I've gone through the list of missed releases and updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-library-tracking | 20:38 |
| smcginnis | The issue appears to be our process says to only look for deliverables with changes that have not released since milestone 2. | 20:38 |
| smcginnis | But at that point we really need to release any changes merged, regardless of when the last release was done. | 20:39 |
| smcginnis | Nothing that appears too critical, but some deliverables will need to backport things like "Add Python 3 Train unit tests" | 20:39 |
| smcginnis | For the sake of late stage stability, I think we leave these for stable backports. | 20:40 |
| smcginnis | I can go through and propose backports for these once the stable/train branch is created for all. | 20:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/releases master: Update lib release instructions for freeze https://review.opendev.org/683234 | 21:05 |
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