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| openstackgerrit | zhurong proposed openstack/releases master: Update Murano/Solum release liaison https://review.opendev.org/683266 | 02:34 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: perfect thanks | 07:49 |
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| AJaeger | release team, please review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/683354/ to update openstack/openstack submodules | 10:28 |
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| evrardjp | smcginnis: so... I am wondering. If we have a tagless project (random example: openstack-ansible-roles), how we can make those tagless projects EOL? | 13:09 |
| AJaeger | evrardjp: what does EOL mean here? EOL of pike? | 13:13 |
| AJaeger | or EOL of repository? | 13:13 |
| AJaeger | evrardjp: could you review 683354 for me, please? This updates openstack/openstack submodules using the included script | 13:14 |
| evrardjp | AJaeger: yeah I meant tagging eol for old branches | 13:17 |
| evrardjp | it's hypothetics here | 13:17 |
| evrardjp | but tagless ... kinda will have trouble to have tags :p | 13:17 |
| evrardjp | oh but I seem to remember we made exceptions for eol. Maybe that counts. | 13:18 |
| evrardjp | Will read the code later | 13:18 |
| evrardjp | AJaeger: ok will do! | 13:18 |
| evrardjp | hey | 13:18 |
| evrardjp | that was a trap, it's a big thing! | 13:18 |
| evrardjp | joke aside will review. I maybe won't +w because I am not too familiar with the impact of this, and I don't want to stay late on a friday because I broke things :p | 13:19 |
| evrardjp | but will make sure this is handled :) | 13:19 |
| AJaeger | evrardjp: trust me ;) That is autogenerated and just works, see the last submissions for the repo ;) | 13:20 |
| evrardjp | you're gonna have to tell me what it's for :D | 13:21 |
| AJaeger | evrardjp: if we have branches, we can add tags - but here I'm not the expert | 13:21 |
| AJaeger | evrardjp: openstack/openstack is historic relict to allow one checkout of "official" openstack with everything as submodule | 13:22 |
| evrardjp | AJaeger: yeah the question is only for the tooling we have in releases, not in git/cgit/gerrit in general :) | 13:22 |
| evrardjp | AJaeger: I will ask more questions... | 13:23 |
| evrardjp | if it's a relic, why it's still there? | 13:23 |
| evrardjp | :p | 13:23 |
| evrardjp | is it* | 13:23 |
| AJaeger | no idea | 13:24 |
| evrardjp | Ah darn I can't +2 +w on this sorry | 13:24 |
| AJaeger | evrardjp: you can't? I thought you were a "Release Manager" - https://review.opendev.org/#/admin/projects/openstack/openstack,access | 13:25 |
| AJaeger | but you're not? https://review.opendev.org/#/admin/groups/11,members | 13:26 |
| AJaeger | smcginnis: shouldn't he be in there ^ | 13:26 |
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| evrardjp | AJaeger: that's a good catch, Kendall should also be there | 13:27 |
| ttx | evrardjp: did you have time to hack on the propose-autorelease script? I should have time to look things up in a few | 13:43 |
| evrardjp | not yet | 13:44 |
| evrardjp | I will do that today though | 13:44 |
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| ttx | I'll produce the input lists now | 14:02 |
| smcginnis | AJaeger, evrardjp: Updated the Release Managers membership. | 14:04 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-rc-autoreleases | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | list-deliverables --model cycle-automatic, right? | 14:05 |
| AJaeger | evrardjp: now you can +2A if you want ;). thanks, smcginnis | 14:05 |
| ttx | smcginnis: yeah | 14:06 |
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| evrardjp | yeah let's see what breaks \o/ | 14:08 |
| evrardjp | ttx: thanks. I will compare notes if necessary, I just wanted to "finish off something real quick" | 14:08 |
| evrardjp | ofc it took more time than expected :p | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: If something doesn't branch, then there's not really anything to EOL, is there? | 14:09 |
| ttx | smcginnis: we should remove the adjutant deliverables, right? | 14:10 |
| ttx | Removing adjutant only 16.6% of -with-rc deliverables did milestone releases | 14:12 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: tagless is not branchless afaik | 14:12 |
| evrardjp | it just branches on a specific sha, but we still need a way to "end" the branch | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Yes, I believe that's where we landed. | 14:13 |
| ttx | we used to force milestone releases to regularly exercise the release machinery... but dropped that requirement saying it wasn't breaking that often anymore. We'll verify that claim now | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | Though sounds like they are at a good point to have a first official release in ussuri. | 14:13 |
| ttx | smcginnis: ok, care to post that patch? Or should I? | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | If you're there and it's quick and easy, go for it. Otherwise I can do it a little later. | 14:14 |
| ttx | on it | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | This whole exercise with the libs release - this was kind of a concern I had when we talked about switching how we handled releases. More is put on this team to make sure things make it out. | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | I really prefer us just being there to help the teams as much as possible. | 14:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bharat Kunwar proposed openstack/releases master: Release magnum 8.1.0 https://review.opendev.org/683398 | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | Though I have heard feedback that our automatically releasing c-w-i has been nice for the teams to not to have to worry about. | 14:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Bharat Kunwar proposed openstack/releases master: Release magnum 8.1.0 https://review.opendev.org/683398 | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | But then again, it's something they don't worry about now, so they think even less about what they need to do for releasing on time. | 14:16 |
| AJaeger | thanks, evrardjp | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | Anyway, just musing out loud. | 14:16 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: I agree with you on that stance of us being more hands-off, and I understand that ppl want to not worry about things | 14:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: Adjutant first releases will be in Ussuri https://review.opendev.org/683401 | 14:17 |
| evrardjp | but these are not mutually exclusive | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | It's a balance I suppose. | 14:17 |
| ttx | we should merge this one before it interferes with the autoreleases next week | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | ttx, evrardjp: While you're both here and we're on the subject, should we get https://review.opendev.org/682412 through? | 14:18 |
| evrardjp | ttx: is there a mail to confirm this? | 14:18 |
| evrardjp | or a eavesdrop log? | 14:18 |
| evrardjp | for the record I mean | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Which item? | 14:18 |
| ttx | adjutant | 14:18 |
| evrardjp | yeah sorry to be a pain :p | 14:19 |
| evrardjp | I would prefer if projects ask for an exception when they can't release yet | 14:20 |
| evrardjp | not sure why my mind feels better that way :) | 14:20 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: ok | 14:21 |
| evrardjp | I clicked the button | 14:21 |
| ttx | evrardjp: at quick glance looks like new_release can do 99% of what we need | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, we had some conversations with the team that probably should have been more public. They haven't been ready since becoming an official project, so we're just kicking the can down the road one more time. | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | I think between the list_unreleased* scripts and new-release code, we should be pretty close to what we need. | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | I was thinking of something that would list the unreleased commits that we manually review to see if it is something that needs to be released, then "Create release [Y/n]", then "[feature|bugfix]" that then calls new-release. | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | Something like that anyway. | 14:23 |
| ttx | for i in $(cat file); do new-release --stable-branch train $i rc; done | 14:24 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I prefer to do it in two steps | 14:25 |
| ttx | as it lets you vet the list first | 14:25 |
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| smcginnis | SUre. I was thinking vetting as you go, but important part is to get this at least semi-automated. | 14:26 |
| ttx | Hm, new-release does not propose the change so we probably need to wrap it into a script that would call git reveiw and then go back to master state | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | The time I remember doing something similar, I would create branches for each like $team-auto-release, then at the end looped through "git branch" and for each that matched *-auto-release, checkout and do "git review -t auto-release" | 14:28 |
| evrardjp | ttx: yeah but I am not sure we need to carry those kind of last round automation | 14:29 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: -f too :) | 14:29 |
| ttx | for i in $(cat file); do git checkout -b lol; new-release --stable-branch train $i rc; git review; git checkout master; git -D lol; done | 14:29 |
| evrardjp | so that if you rerun, nothing bad happens :) | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Ah, don't think I've ever used -f. | 14:30 |
| evrardjp | why so little love for git review -f | 14:30 |
| evrardjp | I am always using it | 14:30 |
| ttx | what is this fancy flag | 14:30 |
| evrardjp | finish | 14:30 |
| ttx | ooooh | 14:30 |
| evrardjp | destroys the branch after success | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | "-f Make your review fancy." :D | 14:30 |
| ttx | git review -f, where have you been all this time | 14:30 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: hahaha | 14:31 |
| evrardjp | ttx: there, you blind! :p | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | I had no idea about that. | 14:31 |
| ttx | WHHHY | 14:31 |
| evrardjp | oh god | 14:31 |
| ttx | smcginnis: when WE started using git review that was not there | 14:31 |
| evrardjp | sorry to crush your dreams of all the time loss | 14:31 |
| evrardjp | with all* | 14:31 |
| * ttx git bisects | 14:31 | |
| evrardjp | ttx: haha | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | "Back in my day, we did git reviews by modem" :D | 14:31 |
| ttx | every bit counts | 14:32 |
| ttx | I started computing on the ZX81 1k demo scene so here is that | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | Commodore 64, then some slow IBM 386 with probably 16MB of RAM. | 14:33 |
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| evrardjp | 1.8 | 14:33 |
| evrardjp | 7 years ago | 14:34 |
| evrardjp | https://opendev.org/opendev/git-review/commit/e84c6f9e9128b00589274850f5ad76f86b020af4 | 14:34 |
| evrardjp | come one ttx | 14:34 |
| evrardjp | on* | 14:34 |
| mgoddard | hi, is someone able to look at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/676661/ ? | 14:34 |
| evrardjp | It's like it's been there forever! | 14:34 |
| evrardjp | (no offense!) | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0IMJcSI8p6hYQXS/giphy.gif | 14:35 |
| evrardjp | hahaha | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | mgoddard: On it. Thanks! | 14:35 |
| mgoddard | thanks smcginnis :) | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | Ocata kind of falls off our normal review dashboard since it's so old. :D | 14:36 |
| ttx | git-review -f was not in 1.0 ! I knew it | 14:37 |
| evrardjp | ttx: yeah as I said, 7 years ago 1.8! | 14:38 |
| evrardjp | anywya | 14:38 |
| evrardjp | script looks good | 14:38 |
| evrardjp | not sure if you said how you create first file | 14:38 |
| evrardjp | wait | 14:39 |
| ttx | At the moment it's a bunch of list-deliverables commands. I pasted the result at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-rc-autoreleases | 14:39 |
| evrardjp | the script is not good except if you want the topic to be "lol" | 14:39 |
| ttx | so that we can spot issues (like Adjutant I just proposed a fix for) | 14:39 |
| ttx | lol | 14:39 |
| ttx | I would be surprised if that was the only bug in it | 14:39 |
| ttx | This oneliner is art, not science! | 14:40 |
| evrardjp | :) | 14:40 |
| ttx | You can tell it's Friday | 14:40 |
| evrardjp | indeed :) | 14:40 |
| evrardjp | so, I am confused, you seem to have a "test run" on your etherpad, how do you intend to "test things", you just do the whole thing on release-test? | 14:41 |
| ttx | note that the 'rc' should also change between invocations | 14:41 |
| evrardjp | oh yeah for intermediary you mean? | 14:42 |
| evrardjp | should requirement be done there? | 14:42 |
| ttx | ah... | 14:42 |
| ttx | well rc is easy | 14:42 |
| ttx | intermediary or automatic we'll have to pick between bugfix feature or major | 14:43 |
| ttx | and that is where it becomes difficult to automate | 14:43 |
| evrardjp | I thought we could automate, and see during review, manually bump the version if necessary? | 14:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/releases master: Add missing stable/train branches https://review.opendev.org/682412 | 14:44 |
| ttx | https://media.giphy.com/media/3rSLJnTMgMyGhKp3Kn/giphy.gif | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | Automatic validation FTW. | 14:44 |
| evrardjp | or propose smcginnis approach with a nice UI/UX showing things in advance | 14:44 |
| evrardjp | but knowing myself, it's more error prone :p | 14:45 |
| ttx | Well the good thing is... | 14:46 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: wait... I missed sdk? | 14:46 |
| ttx | there aren't so many of those | 14:46 |
| ttx | The bulk of the releases are RC and that is safe | 14:46 |
| ttx | So I'd say I would be fine with doing all as bugfix and then upgrade them as needed on the review | 14:47 |
| ttx | The script should automatically do "feature" releases for most of them anyway | 14:48 |
| ttx | (as the minimal bump between series) | 14:48 |
| ttx | but yeah, in absolute, having some kind of super-UI to catch obvious things as you go would be ideal | 14:49 |
| evrardjp | you mean machine learning based on commit messages? | 14:50 |
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| ttx | ...no | 14:50 |
| smcginnis | Haha, we need a serverless AI/ML system to automate our releases. ;) | 14:50 |
| evrardjp | :D | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | Using blockchain. | 14:51 |
| ttx | well, we should make it write openStack directly | 14:51 |
| evrardjp | that's where releases go for validation ofc smcginnis! | 14:51 |
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| evrardjp | hey sorry to bring you the future ttx | 14:51 |
| evrardjp | it all started with a git-review comment. | 14:51 |
| ttx | At one moment I thought you moved to work at IBM | 14:52 |
| evrardjp | anyway yeah, feature for automatic and intermediary then? | 14:52 |
| evrardjp | ouch | 14:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Add ocata-eol tags for kolla and kolla-ansible https://review.opendev.org/676661 | 14:52 |
| evrardjp | (not that I don't like IBM, just different mindset than the company I am working at, afaik) | 14:53 |
| ttx | Watson will save us all! | 14:53 |
| ttx | Or maybe it's Quantum computing. Probably both. | 14:53 |
| ttx | Now if only it could finish that slidedeck for me | 14:54 |
| evrardjp | quantum networks will be the end of neutron I think | 14:56 |
| ttx | ziing | 14:56 |
| evrardjp | sad to announce that. | 14:56 |
| evrardjp | good that we have time :) | 14:56 |
| evrardjp | more seriously, I have questions about release-test | 14:58 |
| evrardjp | do you want to test all of this with release-test? | 14:58 |
| ttx | nah, just if you need a fake repo to test your script with | 14:58 |
| ttx | we kinda need to have a rc1 in there anyway to test final | 14:59 |
| evrardjp | I am not too familiar with it | 14:59 |
| evrardjp | https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.0wX7PZMtKxmvZKC0tmztewAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1 | 14:59 |
| ttx | release-test is just a repository | 14:59 |
| evrardjp | ttx: so should there be a sync or something? | 15:00 |
| evrardjp | between the main and the other | 15:00 |
| evrardjp | for deliverable files I mean | 15:00 |
| ttx | not sure I understand the question | 15:00 |
| ttx | https://opendev.org/openstack/releases/src/branch/master/deliverables/train/release-test.yaml | 15:01 |
| evrardjp | release-test is only for testing releasing a repo, right? | 15:01 |
| ttx | we have a release test deliverable in there | 15:01 |
| evrardjp | yeah so | 15:01 |
| ttx | so we should do a RC1 for it, so that it does not make any alarm sound | 15:02 |
| evrardjp | should we have a test-releases-test repo to test how releasing could be doing with real life deliverables? | 15:02 |
| evrardjp | sorry I am complexifying things too much I guess :) | 15:02 |
| evrardjp | ttx: could you clarify that statement? | 15:03 |
| ttx | OK... | 15:03 |
| ttx | We have a bunch of deliverable files in the train/ repository of the releases repo... | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | I am not sure what you mean by the alarms that will be sounded (if it's now or later) | 15:03 |
| ttx | They track what we are supposed to release for train... | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | you don't need to go back to the dinosaur of the knowledge, but okay that's the part I know :) | 15:04 |
| ttx | And as you run list-deliverables to check for missing releases, they all show | 15:04 |
| evrardjp | let me clarify my question | 15:04 |
| ttx | In there there is a release-test deliverable. It is special, as in it's excluded from the releases website rendering | 15:04 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:05 |
| ttx | so we can use it to test the process | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | that's hitting my question | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | "test the process" | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | we have so many different kinds of deliverables | 15:05 |
| ttx | Ah, yeah, it's a partial test | 15:05 |
| ttx | only tests rcs | 15:05 |
| ttx | but that is actually what matters the most | 15:06 |
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| ttx | and should catch 99% of things | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | yeah and what does it test for the process? | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | is it just that when we follow our etherpad process, everything is fine (a canary) ? | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | or you want to use it as an outlier | 15:06 |
| ttx | It just allows you to test that the script you run is still doing the right thing | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | (in case something didn't happen correctly in the process, this will trigger) | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | now I understand better | 15:07 |
| ttx | without affecting "real" deliverables | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | it's more a canary than anything | 15:07 |
| ttx | This is especially important for final, since those scripts are only used once per cycle | 15:07 |
| ttx | but in order to have the repo in good shape for final testing, we need to have a "RC1" release in the reelase-test deliverable file | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:08 |
| ttx | so I propose that you run the script you will have on Monday on it, both for testing the script, and put that repo in a good shape for final release testing in a few weeks :) | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | yup | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | fine for me | 15:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/releases master: Clarify release-test purpose https://review.opendev.org/683422 | 15:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/releases master: Clarify release-test purpose https://review.opendev.org/683422 | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | Would be great to script the addition of PTL and liaisons on those review too. | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | https://review.opendev.org/Documentation/rest-api-changes.html#add-reviewer | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | That's extra credit work though. | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: only for intermediary and rc I suppose | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | oh wait, no nvm | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | I misunderstood that comment | 15:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Add missing stable/train branches https://review.opendev.org/682412 | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: Have a minute? We have a stable/stein branching patch that timed out. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | https://storage.gra1.cloud.ovh.net/v1/AUTH_dcaab5e32b234d56b626f72581e3644c/zuul_opendev_logs_941/5274a7b9737eb172103c0a0110c5f19a2dc3e5bb/release-post/tag-releases/9413e62/ | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Guess I should have broken that out into smaller groups. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Would you be able to reenqueue that one? | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Or clarkb? ^ | 16:48 |
| fungi | i can take a look, just a sec | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Thank you | 16:53 |
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| evrardjp | mmm weird I have not seen this in my emails, and I changed my filters today, so I have to double check if those filters are right... | 17:03 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Which, the time failure? | 17:04 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 17:04 |
| evrardjp | I suppose that's a release failure email, isn't it? | 17:04 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Are you subscribed to release-job-failures? | 17:04 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 17:04 |
| smcginnis | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/release-job-failures/2019-September/001207.html | 17:05 |
| smcginnis | I was watching it, so not sure if it was event sent out by the time I posted the messages above. | 17:05 |
| evrardjp | yeah I am subscribed, it should be in my list, so I messed up my change of sieve filters. :/ | 17:15 |
| evrardjp | but I got your reply. | 17:16 |
| smcginnis | At least you get the important ones. :D | 17:16 |
| evrardjp | oh I think I know | 17:18 |
| evrardjp | I had something in my trash folder from september with the same title: release-post job for openstack/releases for ref refs/heads/master failed | 17:19 |
| evrardjp | it's put directly into trash in that case :/ | 17:19 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, those are pretty non-descript subjects. | 17:19 |
| evrardjp | yeah when it's a single project, it's fine because the project is in the title | 17:20 |
| evrardjp | so different title, so not regrouped | 17:20 |
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| fungi | smcginnis: sorry for the delay, just now ran: | 17:24 |
| fungi | sudo zuul enqueue-ref --tenant=openstack --trigger=gerrit --pipeline=release-post --project=openstack/releases --ref=refs/heads/master --newrev=5274a7b9737eb172103c0a0110c5f19a2dc3e5bb | 17:24 |
| fungi | let me know if it ends up needing a deeper look | 17:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | XueFeng Liu proposed openstack/releases master: Release senlin-dashboard https://review.opendev.org/683695 | 18:56 |
| openstackgerrit | XueFeng Liu proposed openstack/releases master: Release senlin-dashboard https://review.opendev.org/683695 | 19:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks fungi, looks like that took care of it. | 19:15 |
| fungi | awesome. lmk if you need anything else | 19:16 |
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