Thursday, 2016-02-11

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/os-client-config: Remove HP and RunAbove from vendor profiles  https://review.openstack.org/27853300:08
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openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed openstack/os-client-config: Add osic vendor profile  https://review.openstack.org/27880300:18
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openstackgerritJamie Lennox proposed openstack/keystoneauth: Allow parameter expansion in endpoint_override  https://review.openstack.org/27112000:43
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-openstacksdk: Basic resource.prop for ID attributes (network)  https://review.openstack.org/27090001:11
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystoneauth: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/27867701:28
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openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed openstack/os-client-config: Add osic vendor profile  https://review.openstack.org/27880301:29
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-openstackclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/27873302:02
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stevemarjamielennox: oh neat patch03:52
jamielennoxstevemar: which?03:53
stevemarjamielennox: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278782/03:56
jamielennoxstevemar: oh yea - what do you think?03:56
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stevemarcommenting03:59
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dimsstevemar : regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278781/ - if you try this one line patch from https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1543841/comments/7 - you can see that the command works fine04:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543841 in devstack "Invocation error: tempest verify-config: error: unrecognized arguments: -uro ../../../../tmp/tmp.FR5OHabb3Y" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Matthew Treinish (treinish)04:11
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stevemardims: you tried it locally?04:15
dimsyep04:15
dimseasy, try the command in a py27 tox venv04:16
jamielennoxstevemar: did you forget to press commit on comments?04:22
stevemarjamielennox: uh... no.. i meant it in a general "i'll comment" way04:22
stevemari could see how i was vague04:23
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jamielennoxstevemar: oh, ok - no worries04:23
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cliff: Don't import unused logging  https://review.openstack.org/26241405:33
openstackgerritMerged openstack/cliff: Don't use non-existent method of Mock  https://review.openstack.org/26239805:33
openstackgerritSteve Martinelli proposed openstack/cliff: Revert "app,command: disallow abbrev by default"  https://review.openstack.org/27878105:44
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openstackgerritSteve Martinelli proposed openstack/cliff: Drop Python 2.6 support  https://review.openstack.org/26240706:55
openstackgerritMerged openstack/cliff: Revert "app,command: disallow abbrev by default"  https://review.openstack.org/27878107:35
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/keystoneauth: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/27890207:40
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/27890807:44
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystoneauth: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/27890209:46
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openstackgerritTang Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Trivial: Fix a typo in test_network.py  https://review.openstack.org/27900512:14
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/os-client-config: Added SSL support for VEXXHOST  https://review.openstack.org/27851013:19
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openstackgerritRichard Theis proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Fix identity test_role functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/27905813:36
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openstackgerritTang Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Support "network delete" command in nova network  https://review.openstack.org/27804214:02
openstackgerritTang Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add NetworkAndCompute Lister and ShowOne classes  https://review.openstack.org/27688814:02
openstackgerritTang Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Support "network list" command in nova network  https://review.openstack.org/27825314:02
openstackgerritTang Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Support "network show" command in nova network  https://review.openstack.org/27908514:02
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openstackgerritTang Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Support "network show" command in nova network  https://review.openstack.org/27908514:05
openstackgerritRichard Theis proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk: Basic resource.prop for ID attributes (identity)  https://review.openstack.org/27908914:07
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openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/os-client-config: Use password auth for swift if we have username/password  https://review.openstack.org/27879714:24
openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-wg: Must not return server-side tracebacks  https://review.openstack.org/18359914:31
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briancurtinrtheis, etoews: i added a relatively easy bug that we need before 1.0 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1544584 — unfortunately since we can’t trust that type=bool was always set it can’t be fully automated, so ultimately it requires reading through each resource’s prop/header names for a few seconds14:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1544584 in OpenStack SDK "Audit prop/header names for matching style" [Critical,Confirmed]14:43
rtheisbriancurtin: sounds good14:44
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etoewscdent: elmiko: my ISP is having intermittent connection problems (I'm on mobile now). can one of you please start the meeting?15:17
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cdentetoews: yeah, one of us will get it15:17
elmikoetoews: yup, no worries15:17
etoewsThanks. I'll be there either way but it'll be harder to look things up.15:17
mordrednotmyname: based on the conversation in infra yesterday about token reissue with swiftclient - I added support to os-client-config for passing the username/password in to swiftclient instead of a pre-made token if we have them:  https://review.openstack.org/27879715:18
mordrednotmyname: if you have 3 seconds, I'd love an eyeball on it to see if I'm missing anything that's obvious to you15:19
mordrednotmyname: once we've got Session support in swiftclient I can collapse the whole swift section of this - but I think it's the right thing to do for now15:19
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kairat_Hi folks, I have the following value in in-filter: 'in: bla,"king""kong",bla'15:27
kairat_Should I consider second filter as "kingkong" or incorrect filter value15:27
kairat_It seems there is no info about that in API-WG specification but perhaps you can refer me where it is described15:28
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etoewselmiko: you totally clobber my topics for this week with this change :P15:39
etoewshttps://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Meetings%2FAPI-WG&diff=103874&oldid=10344715:39
etoewss/clobber/clobbered/15:40
elmikoetoews: oh, sorry. i thought those were old topics15:40
elmikoi'll revert it15:40
etoewsadded them a few days ago15:40
elmikodoh!15:40
elmikosorry15:40
etoewsnp15:40
elmikoi knew we talked about it last time too, and i just thought those were the old links. i should have known by the february date, duh...15:42
etoewsreverted the change and preserved cdent's topic (which is pretty much what i wanted to chat about too).15:42
elmikoyea, it's a hot topic ;)15:42
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cdentmy belly burns17:00
annegentle_cdent: and what I want to find out is, if teams have to write a Swagger description, does that help them design their API?17:01
cdentthat's a good question17:01
annegentle_cdent: how can we make docs the design driver17:01
elmikoi think it helps when you plan it out in general17:01
annegentle_that's the fire in my belly of course17:01
cdentI've not yet written any real swagger, so can't much say.17:01
annegentle_elmiko: yeah I feel like a terribad project manager lately with fairy-slipper... I'll write an update post this week to the -dev list17:02
cdentI _really_ worry about the big design up front that current openstack process is enforcing.17:02
annegentle_elmiko: basically I think I got it so migrated swagger files can upload to the developer.openstack.org site on every patchset17:02
elmikoannegentle_: honestly, i think the projects should start by writing their rst/descriptive docs first17:02
cdentIt's all over the place: docs, service registries, specs17:02
annegentle_elmiko: sure17:02
elmikobut, i'd like to swagger auto-genned17:02
annegentle_elmiko: sure, and even that will help get a consistent docs experience17:02
elmikoyup17:03
annegentle_elmiko: just have to keep pressing forward on "publish those docs"17:03
etoewsannegentle_: "if teams have to write a Swagger description, does that help them design their API?" from my own experience with swagger i'd say the answer is YES17:03
annegentle_elmiko: thanks for reviewing the REST API infra spec17:03
annegentle_etoews: good to know17:03
cdentJust an ironic aside: If we were writing _truly_ REST APIs this docs stuff would be somewhat irrelevant. But of course that's not a real world.17:03
annegentle_cdent: heh. sure.17:03
sdaguecdent: if all problems could be solved in scheme with no io?17:04
cdentsdague?17:04
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sdaguemost of where our APIs deviate from REST is where they end up doing state transforms on things like 'pause' a server17:05
sdaguejust thinking about how lisp is awesome17:05
elmikoannegentle_: i've recently started to spend more time on my pecan-swagger project too, i'd like it to be more useful in helping out with this stuff17:05
cdentah, no, I was more thinking about the lack of HATEOAS17:05
sdagueuntil you have to interact with something outside the lisp interpretter17:05
cdentsdague: tru dat17:06
etoewsto clarify, i'm not advocating for big design upfront but starting by stubbing out your api design in swagger can be an amazingly illuminating experience.17:06
elmikoetoews: agreed, not a bad exercise at all17:06
cdentetoews++ I use gabbi for that17:06
* cdent needs to write the gabbi<->swagger tool17:07
etoewsyep. whatever floats yer boat.17:07
elmikoi'm very curious about some of the tooling around going from swagger->python17:07
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cdentI wonder what ideas people have about improving the feedback loop in evolving new and young apis?17:08
cdentthe aforementioned experimental thing is relevant, but how do you _get_ those people17:08
elmikohmm, good question17:09
cdentthe gap between e.g. me and a "real" user feels _very_ large17:09
elmikoagreed17:09
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cdentetoews: I assume it is somewhat less for you?17:09
etoewsya17:10
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cdents/less/smaller/17:10
sdaguecdent: yeh, it's kind of a problem given the deployment speed. Even the vocal deploys are 6 - 12 months back.17:10
cdentit has a tendency to lead to sort of a tyranny of the gate17:11
etoewsbut even so, when doing some sdk implementation it sometimes doesn't happen until the api is publicly exposed.17:11
cdent(since the gate is our biggest "user")17:11
etoewsit's just a matter of bandwidth17:11
sdaguecdent: the gate typically doesn't really have an opinion though17:11
sdagueyou wrote tests to test your thing17:11
sdaguethe opinion is all yours17:11
etoewsideally we'd be able to write sdks against experimental apis in devstack or whatever and provide early feedback17:12
cdentsdague: I mean kind of more...philosophically?17:12
sdaguethe only opinion is if it's too slow or too unpredicable to test17:12
* cdent is riffing17:12
sdagueheh17:12
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cdentI'm very intrigued by the social forces that bring us to create the stuff that we do. Simpley because of the distance from real users those forces are complex.17:13
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cdentHow about them gravity waves?17:16
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annegentle_Super apropos: https://keen.io/blog/138682017331/so-you-want-developers-to-love-your-api17:25
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sdaguedamn, anne dropped17:34
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/fairy-slipper: Handle other status codes  https://review.openstack.org/27857118:22
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/fairy-slipper: Handle other status codes  https://review.openstack.org/27857118:33
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openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack/cliff: Add allow_abbrev=True test  https://review.openstack.org/27922918:47
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sdaguecdent: so interesting question, before I update the microversion spec20:32
cdentyessir20:33
sdagueI was just trying to make sure about:20:33
sdagueAs mentioned in the previous section, the maximum and minimum supported20:33
sdagueversions are returned in the headers of every response.20:33
sdague* OpenStack-[SERVICE_TYPE]-API-Minimum-Version: min_version_number20:33
sdague* OpenStack-[SERVICE_TYPE]-API-Maximum-Version: max_version_number20:33
sdagueand none of that is done in Nova today20:33
sdagueoh, Ironic did implement it20:34
sdagueI was going to see if no one actually implemented it, if we could get away without it20:34
sdagueespecially given the header proliferation conversation earlier20:35
cdentI'm not as savvy to the details of the ideal microversion universe as I'd like to be20:35
cdentand I haven't give that particular spec a close read recently20:36
sdaguewell, originally we thought it would be useful to confirm things20:36
cdentIt seems like a way for people to have more information that they can't actually do much with20:37
cdentyou have a client which works a particular way20:37
cdentknowing other options doesn't help much does it?20:37
sdagueyeh, that's probably true20:38
sdagueok, manilla seems to be the only other one that's implemented it, lets see what they did20:38
cdent(as an aside we've had a fair cases where people have intentionally followed the guidelines before they have been fully vetted)20:39
sdaguesure, I just did a codesearch though20:39
sdagueright, Manilla doesn't put the Response headers in either20:40
sdaguemaybe just remove that from recommendation then20:40
sdagueand Ironic's are just there but we don't tell others to put it in20:41
elmikosdague: just for reference, i think there are 2 specs that mention the min/max headers20:42
sdagueelmiko: you got those up somewhere?20:43
elmikohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/24342920:43
sdagueit doesn't look like anyone else landed code yet, so we can cut them off at the pass20:43
sdaguethis was in the nova spec20:43
elmikohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/24341420:43
sdagueironic actually implemented the nova spec before we did20:43
elmikothose are the open guidelines that reference min/max20:43
sdaguewe never implemented this (probably by mistake)20:44
elmikois the idea that these aren't really needed in practice?20:44
sdagueelmiko: yeh20:44
sdagueI think we were over thinking this at the time20:44
elmikoheh, we are good at that ;)20:44
sdagueok, so drop these? Just have the Request header, and be done with it?20:48
elmikoi suppose that makes sense, client requests a version and if it can't be met you get some 4xx20:48
elmikothe only place i can see the min/max surfacing would be at a version endpoint or something20:49
elmiko(and in the body, not headers)20:49
sdagueright20:49
elmikosold!20:49
sdagueI could see the structured error for wrong version provide more info20:49
elmikodefinitely20:50
sdagueyeh, it was probably for the error case that we thought it would be useful20:50
sdagueit was like 2 years ago, my brain is foggy20:50
elmikomaybe... then you would know with the need for expanded error, i suppose20:50
elmikos/with/without/g20:50
elmikohehe, i think we can forgive some foggyness after 2 years ;)20:51
sdagueyeh, I think folks can limp without it for now, in practice it's probably a human intervention fail anyway20:52
elmikoagreed20:53
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/cliff: handle empty list in table formatter  https://review.openstack.org/27927221:34
openstackgerritBrad Behle proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add "os subnet show" command using SDK  https://review.openstack.org/27649521:35
openstackgerritBrad Behle proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add "os subnet create" command using SDK  https://review.openstack.org/27927321:35
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jamielennoxdtroyer, stevemar: replied on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278782/22:50
jamielennoxsorry it got a bit rambly22:52
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