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| dentures | sdague: I hate to do this after we already had some consensus on the matter, but I better throw this piece of data into the pile: | 16:04 |
| dentures | current microverisons header is x-openstack-nova-api-version | 16:05 |
| dentures | if we are willing to s/x-// and s/nova/compute// why aren't we willing to s/-api// ? | 16:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Richard Theis proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add port functional tests https://review.openstack.org/279624 | 16:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Richard Theis proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add subnet functional tests https://review.openstack.org/279642 | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | dentures: oh snap! | 16:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/os-client-config: Use password auth for swift if we have username/password https://review.openstack.org/278797 | 16:26 |
| elmiko | otoh, removing the x- and s/nova/compute// can at least be seen as upgrades from the standpoint of X- being deprecated, and not necessary, and nova/computer service name thingie | 16:27 |
| elmiko | whereas api- is just a stylistic thing | 16:27 |
| dentures | right, but since nothing has changed yet, and a conditional is going to be needed to support the current and the future, may as well make the future the as far into the future as possible | 16:28 |
| dentures | perhaps | 16:28 |
| dentures | I don't care _that_ much | 16:28 |
| dentures | was just something that made me go hmmm | 16:28 |
| notmyname | mordred: great. I had added timburke to that review. thanks for helping with this integration | 16:31 |
| sdague | dentures: the reason is for it is assume you are someone looking at this blank for the first time | 16:34 |
| sdague | and you read the docs which say: before version X.Y you must use header OpenStack-Foo-API-Version, after you must used OpenStack-Bar-Version | 16:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Anne Gentle proposed openstack/fairy-slipper: WIP: Modifies index pages for API reference to hold OpenStack header https://review.openstack.org/279657 | 16:35 |
| sdague | and then you have to remember that these changes on 2 axes, not 1, and are constantly looking up which is which | 16:36 |
| sdague | it seems like change for no good reason | 16:36 |
| dentures | except, as far as I can tell sdague there are very few extant uses of the header, all of which need to change a bit | 16:37 |
| dentures | for nova the docs would say: | 16:37 |
| sdague | by few extant uses, you mean *all* microversion implementations released, right | 16:37 |
| dentures | before version x.y only x-openstack-nova-api-version would work. From version x.y+1 the more generic and correct openstack-compute-version should be used | 16:38 |
| sdague | I still think it is 2 things you need to juggle in your head | 16:38 |
| sdague | which is more effort | 16:38 |
| sdague | for saving 4 bytes | 16:38 |
| sdague | especially because the old header can never be removed | 16:39 |
| dentures | that's not 4 bytes. that's my point. the -api part is just gravy on the much llarger (and more relevant) change: getting rid of x (which is anti-rfc and getting rid of nova) | 16:39 |
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| dentures | I don't really care about -api | 16:40 |
| dentures | but if we already have to change | 16:40 |
| elmiko | i think it's fair to note also, that the primary reason for removing the -api wasn't just to save 4 bytes. the feelings on review were that it was slightly redundant. | 16:41 |
| sdague | yeh, I don't know. I just really imagine people having code that works at a couple of different versions of OpenStack. And they try to make it work with the new one | 16:41 |
| mordred | notmyname: yah - timburke was totally helpful - once this workaround is there, I'll start spending some energy on getting session support in to swiftclient ... first look didn't look TERRIBLE - but I haven't gone deep on it yet | 16:41 |
| sdague | and s/Nova/Compute/ deploying their code, it breaks | 16:42 |
| sdague | then reading past the docs a few times, not catching the other change | 16:42 |
| sdague | swearing a lot, filing a bug, getting an answer | 16:43 |
| sdague | then yelling "why did they even bother changing this other thing as well" | 16:43 |
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| elmiko | yea, i think removing the X- and changing nova->compute at the least would make some sense to an end users, whereas the -api change might be overlooked | 16:44 |
| sdague | and, also, it overloads the concept of the nova version | 16:44 |
| sdague | we already get people reporting bugs about nova with 'nova --version' | 16:44 |
| sdague | not realizing that's the client version | 16:44 |
| sdague | not the nova version | 16:44 |
| elmiko | doh... | 16:44 |
| dentures | well, that's part of the reason for using service type | 16:44 |
| dentures | and for conflating service type with the api | 16:44 |
| sdague | dentures: sure | 16:45 |
| dentures | again, I'm not strong on this issue, just raised it for completeness and I added the same comments on the review itself | 16:45 |
| sdague | yeh, that's fair | 16:45 |
| sdague | at the end of the day, it's just my gut saying that change is going to trip up people | 16:46 |
| elmiko | respect the gut | 16:46 |
| dentures | do we know much about how many people "just use the client" versus other types of interaction with the apis? | 16:47 |
| sdague | dentures: https://www.openstack.org/assets/survey/Public-User-Survey-Report.pdf - page 15 is the best we've got | 16:49 |
| sdague | for that data | 16:49 |
| sdague | the answer is, lots of people use our clients | 16:49 |
| sdague | lots of people use other things | 16:49 |
| sdague | including 25% of respondents writing their own | 16:49 |
| sdague | sorry, 21% | 16:50 |
| dentures | so its a significant chunk | 16:50 |
| dentures | that's good | 16:50 |
| dentures | it would make me happier if that part were bigger | 16:50 |
| dentures | that it is not is a clear sign that the apis are too complex | 16:50 |
| dentures | which is not news | 16:50 |
| sdague | right, it's also a self selecting survey, so definitely take it with a grain of salt | 16:53 |
| sdague | but it's at least some data | 16:53 |
| dentures | yarp | 16:54 |
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| figleaf | dentures: having written and SDK that wraps the APIs, I would not readily agree with their lack of complexity. I'm sure etoews would agree. :) | 17:28 |
| dentures | figleaf: I think there are too many negatives floating around. I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not. | 17:30 |
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| figleaf | dentures: our APIs are complex and inconsistent. | 17:32 |
| dentures | we agree | 17:32 |
| figleaf | dentures: hope that's clear enough! | 17:32 |
| dentures | I'm beginning to worry, given current constraints that it is not a fixable problem using normal evolutionary strategies. But that might just end of week depression. | 17:34 |
| figleaf | dentures: no, it's not, as the only way to fix it is to abandon any hope of backwards compatibility. | 17:35 |
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| dentures | see: "current constraints" | 17:35 |
| figleaf | dentures: the solution from the SDK perspective is to start with a clean, consistent experience for the SDK user, and hide all the API inconsistency from them. | 17:35 |
| dentures | figleaf: one can image a sort of facade API | 17:38 |
| figleaf | dentures: that's been discussed in the past, but it was felt by many that now we have to maintain 2 APIs, and document both, etc. | 17:40 |
| dentures | sigh. "we" is an interesting concept. there's simultaneously too much and too little independence of projects | 17:41 |
| * dentures will go back to moaning about editing email responses, much more tractable problem | 17:42 | |
| figleaf | dentures: you might think so... :) | 17:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Richard Theis proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add quota functional tests https://review.openstack.org/279722 | 18:53 |
| dentures | sdague: you mentioned this earlier but I forgot to memorize it: who are the current implementors of any microverions handling? | 18:56 |
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| sdague | ironic, manila, nova | 19:20 |
| elmiko | dentures: iirc, it was nova, ironic, manila, and *maybe* another | 19:20 |
| elmiko | oops, sorry to step on toes | 19:20 |
| dentures | thanks sdague and elmiko | 19:20 |
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| sdague | cinder is speccing it at the moment | 19:21 |
| sdague | I expect them to do it next cycle | 19:21 |
| dentures | from what I can tell nova and manila implement it basically the same way | 19:21 |
| dentures | but I haven't sussed out ironic yet | 19:21 |
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| dentures | ah, found it | 19:22 |
| sdague | right, because we designed the approach in nova over about 9 months. ironic did an implementation from our spec before we had landed our first microversion as doing the infrastructure there was easier. | 19:23 |
| sdague | but manilla came later, so I think just copied mostly from nova. | 19:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Terry Howe proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk: Have image tag just use image id https://review.openstack.org/279757 | 19:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/278908 | 20:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/os-client-config: Send swiftclient username/password and token https://review.openstack.org/278797 | 20:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Everett Toews proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk: Make metadata handling consistent in Object Store https://review.openstack.org/275441 | 20:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/api-wg: Add client interaction guideline for API microversions https://review.openstack.org/243414 | 20:25 |
| sdague | dentures: ok, the 2 microversion specs hopefully cleaned up to what we agreed | 20:26 |
| dentures | ossum, thanks | 20:27 |
| sdague | on my list of "crap I need to do before weekend" :) | 20:28 |
| dentures | crap, I'm still working on my list of crap I need to do before last weekend | 20:29 |
| ryansb | dentures++ | 20:29 |
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| elmiko | sdague: thanks for the updates =) | 20:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient: Allow custom log levels for other loggers https://review.openstack.org/211682 | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient: Add release note for custom logging feature https://review.openstack.org/277119 | 21:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Richard Theis proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add subnet pool functional tests https://review.openstack.org/279797 | 21:21 |
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| stevemar | rtheis: you're going to keep me busy on the weekend eh :] | 21:33 |
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| rtheis | stevemar: :) | 21:34 |
| rtheis | stevemar: enjoy your weekend ... no rush on the reviews | 21:34 |
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