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| hubing | Hi All | 00:19 |
| blmartin_w | Good morning hubing | 00:20 |
| minwoob | Hi everybody | 00:20 |
| bkeller | Hello | 00:20 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: hi - my team is also on here - we want to ask you about the sharding trie code status and how we can help | 00:20 |
| mattoliverau | khoah64: sure, sorry, I think we're in the middle of a netsplit. Go IRC. | 00:20 |
| rminmin | hi all :) | 00:20 |
| mattoliverau | there we go, un netsplit, go IRC! | 00:20 |
| mattoliverau | khoah64: so there has a been a few sharding POCs. The first was one that used the built in swift hashing. That worked but left object listings in a non-consistant order.. POC 2 was distrubuted prefix trees (trie), that kept order and could shard, but was a little over designed and requred quite a few extra requests. | 00:20 |
| mattoliverau | khoah64: POC #3 is similar to POC #2, but simply splits the tree on the pivot point and all objects leave in the leaves. | 00:20 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: so POC #3 is in the sharding_split? | 00:20 |
| khoah64 | hi all | 00:20 |
| mattoliverau | POC #3 is what I'm currently working on now. And will talk about in Japan | 00:20 |
| mattoliverau | khoah64: yup sharding_split.. I kinda want to rename it to sharding_pivot.. now that's I've gone further down the path with it. | 00:20 |
| mattoliverau | hubing, minwoob, bkeller, rminmin: o/ | 00:21 |
| blmartin_w | mattoliverau: o/ | 00:21 |
| minwoob | mattoliverau: o/ | 00:22 |
| bkeller | mattolivarau: o/ | 00:22 |
| hubing | o/ | 00:22 |
| rminmin | mattolivarau: o/ | 00:22 |
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| khoah64 | mattoliverau: ok, we will see you in Japan :) | 00:23 |
| mattoliverau | will you all be there? | 00:24 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: so is POC #3 code complete and ready for some testing? or is it not ready for testing? | 00:24 |
| eariasn | Do you have any specific area that would like to get us to look more into, including that possible testing ? | 00:25 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: eraiasn and I will be there (from my team) | 00:25 |
| mattoliverau | khoah64: its "ready". It works but there is still debugging to do. Just yesterday I pushed up a patch to improve it. | 00:26 |
| mattoliverau | so it's still in development, but kinda works | 00:26 |
| mattoliverau | it shards etc.. | 00:26 |
| mattoliverau | have you all read the current (old) spec I have up there?) | 00:27 |
| eariasn | yes, we did as patch set 4 | 00:27 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: yes | 00:27 |
| mattoliverau | great | 00:27 |
| elligottmc | notice comments in the spec from Erlan mentioning database sharding suggestion | 00:28 |
| minwoob | mattoliverau: Yes. | 00:28 |
| elligottmc | is that still being kicked around | 00:28 |
| elligottmc | or pivot tree all the way | 00:28 |
| mattoliverau | elligottmc: still being kicked around, thats the why it's in POC. Once we have a promising approach it'll become a feature branch, then we can geting it properly merged into swift. | 00:29 |
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| elligottmc | mattoliverau: k thanks | 00:29 |
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| mattoliverau | ok, so brain dumping might be hard in IRC, to explain where it's up to. but I can give it a go :) | 00:30 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: so if we want to test/experiment, we should do POC #3 and not the other POCs? | 00:30 |
| mattoliverau | khoah64: yeah, please test and play with sharding_split for now. Lets see if it's a vialable option :) | 00:31 |
| mattoliverau | Some notable changes since the SPEC (NOTE: I'll update the spec pre-Japan in more detail) | 00:31 |
| eariasn | we have a bare metal cluster for this, do you recommend us to test drive it there ? to stress the containers and force to shard ? | 00:33 |
| mattoliverau | Firstly to keep the pivot tree (for the root) in the correct order when built, the pivot_points table now has a level. | 00:33 |
| mattoliverau | the sharded container names have changed from '<-' and '->' to '.le.', '.gt.' (less than or equal, greater than), because the arrows don't get url encoded in logs, and we want to keep it readable. | 00:33 |
| mattoliverau | Atm the the sharding code is in the container-sharder and mostly in the container-server. There are pro's and cons about having it here or in the proxy.. so that could change | 00:35 |
| mattoliverau | the sharder is the one sharding | 00:35 |
| mattoliverau | the sharder iterates over all sharded containers on the drive, audits them (makes sure the root container nows about them, etc). | 00:36 |
| mattoliverau | the sharder then looks for misplaced objects (keeps eventual consistancy happy). | 00:37 |
| mattoliverau | once that is done the acutal sharding is 2 phase. | 00:37 |
| mattoliverau | On a first pass, if no X-Container-Sysmeta-Pivot-Point exists, then it will ask all primary nodes what the best pivot point is (one with most object (or first one on tie, after the nodes are randomised) wins). It then sets this metadata on all primary nodes. Then moves on the the next container. | 00:39 |
| mattoliverau | on the second pass (phase 2). If this meta data exists, it will then talk to the other primary nodes again to get a qurom of whether this is the correct pivot. If so will shard. | 00:40 |
| mattoliverau | This may or may not be the best way.. but I had to do something to get the POC moving forward. | 00:40 |
| mattoliverau | There were talks about getting the nodes to tell each other over container-replication, and maybe that still is the best idea. | 00:41 |
| mattoliverau | But I feel step 1 is, lets test this method.. no doubts there are plenty of places to improve but I have to get it sharding to start finding them. | 00:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Robert Francis proposed openstack/swift: WIP: Symlink implementation. (work in progress) https://review.openstack.org/232162 | 00:42 |
| mattoliverau | (like my patch the other day to the POC, releating the container-info). | 00:42 |
| mattoliverau | At the moment container DELETE on the sharded container isn't working (cause I haven't written it). | 00:42 |
| mattoliverau | but object put/delete etc does | 00:43 |
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| mattoliverau | I've been testing with only 1 sharder running. Because I'm not 100% sure how well the eventual consistency'ness is working.. in theory it is ;) | 00:44 |
| mattoliverau | what would be nice is if we could set it up (I'm setting it up in the cloud to benchmark) and yes a bare metal cluster would be best | 00:45 |
| mattoliverau | and maybe set up statsd/graphite and see if we are message storming (my words, but I mean generating too much backend requests) | 00:46 |
| mattoliverau | I might try any do that in the cloud today if I get time. | 00:46 |
| mattoliverau | At the moment, I'm reading through ssbench code and hacking it so I can actually test it on already sharded containers at different sizes cause I want: a) get some numbers and b) find all the bottle necks that is slowing it down (ie find places to tweak) | 00:47 |
| mattoliverau | so there is alot of work for all to do, and I'd love an appeciate your help :) | 00:48 |
| mattoliverau | wel need testing, reviewing, etc. | 00:48 |
| eariasn | we can get that code into the bare metal cluster tomorrow :) | 00:49 |
| mattoliverau | If people want to get there hands dirty then we could look at other options in regards to doing sharding or even make the proxy shard aware rather than the container-server. | 00:49 |
| mattoliverau | eariasn: awesome | 00:49 |
| mattoliverau | The object server when updating the container (and the object-updater) now follow a 301 redirect when it's trying to update the wrong container, I think there is a possible request storm in that code.. but again I wanted to get to a state of working for testing the POC and see if it's a good apprach to use inside swift. | 00:51 |
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| mattoliverau | Thus some metric gathering would be good, not just bench marks | 00:52 |
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| khoah64 | mattoliverau: do you think using Cosbench to test the code would be ok at this point? | 00:53 |
| mattoliverau | Long story short, it's still being developed, once we like the apprach we can clean it up in a swift feature branch. There is lots of work to do. And I can give you a better introduction in Tokyo | 00:53 |
| mattoliverau | khoah64: yeah, it can't hurt, and if you find bugs then great, lets get em fixed ;) | 00:54 |
| mattoliverau | I've been generating large containers, sharding them, then benchmarking, cause I'm trying to find the point sharding makes sense. But please more eyes, and cosbenching from the start would help tackling issues and bottlenecks from both ends :) | 00:55 |
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| mattoliverau | I'll try and get a new updated spec up early next week, please look at the code, have play. Hopefully post summit we can all be up to speed and power along :) | 00:56 |
| minwoob | mattoliverau: Were you able to look into how the different database systems already out there (e.g., MySQL) have approached this problem? | 00:56 |
| mattoliverau | its been great having blmartin_w to bounce idea of, but more people would be better. | 00:57 |
| blmartin_w | indeed, always happy for new ideas and approaches | 00:59 |
| mattoliverau | minwoob: db sharding is a little differnt, they tend to split up the data, not so much in batches. Then have alot of readonly nodes and a fewe write nodes. So a little. If anyone smarter then me sees something we've missed, or better ideas, speak up, cause you don't have to worry about my ego, I just want whats best for swift :) | 00:59 |
| mattoliverau | Finding the pivot point in this POC is mush cleaner then last, cause we can do it all in SQL, then it appears in the container info. | 01:01 |
| kota_ | good morning guys. | 01:01 |
| mattoliverau | kota_: morning | 01:01 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: :) | 01:01 |
| mattoliverau | I'm probably left a bunch out, and if I have, sorry :) Just dumping a stream of thought :P | 01:02 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: this is really helpful! | 01:02 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: any estimate on when you will have the container delete stuff? | 01:03 |
| mattoliverau | Deleting an unsharded shard container (one that hasn't actually been split) is easy cause it's the same. Deleting a sharded container is a little difficult. I suspect we need to pass the delete request to all leaf nodes. then delete up the branches and finally the root. But what happens when there is an object in the leaf? So we auto create missing shard (leaf) containers. | 01:05 |
| mattoliverau | I need to spend some cycles thinking about how it'll work. | 01:06 |
| kota_ | clayg, tdasilva: it might be good to start from reviewing patch 209315 for versioned_writes. | 01:06 |
| patchbot | kota_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209315/ - Refactor versioned_writes middleware | 01:06 |
| mattoliverau | also the POC doesn't shrink.. that will probably be something we need to do. It keeps growing (spliting) but doesn't shrink back in. | 01:07 |
| mattoliverau | s/cycles/brain cycles/ | 01:07 |
| mattoliverau | not openstack cycles :P | 01:07 |
| mattoliverau | re: shrinking, when do we do it? or do we just never shrink. | 01:07 |
| kota_ | clayg, tdasilva: the patch will change the code more clean which state we enable/disable old/new versioning. | 01:08 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: ok thanks... that's something we will need to keep in mind during our upcoming experimentation/testing/playing | 01:08 |
| mattoliverau | Anyway, I think I've proably given you too much info you need to absorb. When you see the blindly obvious flaws I'm missed please speak up :) | 01:09 |
| mattoliverau | or even better, patch it | 01:09 |
| eariasn | +1 | 01:10 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: +1 | 01:11 |
| minwoob | +1 | 01:12 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: look forward to seeing you in Tokyo | 01:13 |
| mattoliverau | khoah64: you too! It's not to far away now :) | 01:14 |
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| mattoliverau | And finally an Openstack conference that is in _almost_ my timezone :) | 01:14 |
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| mattoliverau | Thanks all for listing to my brain dump, and sorry swift channel (or kota_) for spamming the channel so your message are probably harder to read/find. | 01:18 |
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| mattoliverau | oh and thanks minwoob and blmartin_w (and anytone else in Austin) who stayed up late to listen :) | 01:19 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: thanks for all the info! | 01:19 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: np | 01:19 |
| bkeller | mattoliverau: Thanks for the info | 01:20 |
| mattoliverau | and the rest of you who got up early.. go have some breakfast | 01:20 |
| khoah64 | mattoliverau: I'm in Austin and been eating my dinner while listening to you :) | 01:21 |
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| mattoliverau | khoah64: lol, nice bit of multi tasking there ;) | 01:21 |
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| minwoob | mattoliverau: Thank you! | 01:23 |
| mattoliverau | Welcome to the exciting adventures of container sharding :) | 01:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Add func test to verify last modified at container https://review.openstack.org/235743 | 06:11 |
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| clayg | kota_: bah - that versioned writes fixups are great! You have all the best patches I never notice... | 06:18 |
| clayg | kota_: what time is the weekly swift meeting for you? | 06:18 |
| kota_ | clayg: hello, so sorry what does it mean "what time is the weekly swift meeting"? | 06:21 |
| kota_ | clayg: do you plan to move the time to another date? | 06:21 |
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| clayg | kota_: no i don't think so, everytime we try it's bad for someone - i just didn't know what time (local) it lands for you | 06:23 |
| kota_ | oh yeah, that's 6:00 am in JST | 06:23 |
| kota_ | that's my local time. | 06:24 |
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| kota_ | I might have to say, clayg for pinging him :\ | 06:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Interpolate the explanation string not whole HTML body https://review.openstack.org/233300 | 09:58 |
| openstackgerrit | venkatesh proposed openstack/swift: remove unused parameters https://review.openstack.org/231347 | 10:46 |
| openstackgerrit | venkatesh proposed openstack/swift: remove unused parameters https://review.openstack.org/231347 | 10:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Support last modified on listing containers https://review.openstack.org/198634 | 12:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Last-Modified header support on HEAD/GET container https://review.openstack.org/198633 | 12:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Add func test to verify last modified at container https://review.openstack.org/235743 | 12:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mahati Chamarthy proposed openstack/swift: Hyperlink fix to first contribution doc https://review.openstack.org/235895 | 12:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Robert Francis proposed openstack/swift: WIP: Symlink implementation. (work in progress) https://review.openstack.org/232162 | 12:51 |
| mahatic | notmyname: ^ +A on 235895? | 12:51 |
| pchng | mahatic: Added a small comment for 235895 | 13:07 |
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| mahatic | cschwede: kota: thanks | 13:14 |
| mahatic | pchng: I don't see a comment? | 13:15 |
| cschwede | mahatic: you’re welcome :) | 13:15 |
| pchng | mahatic: sorry, forgot to publish :O | 13:18 |
| pchng | my bad | 13:18 |
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| pchng | mahatic: not sure if you saw my comment on 235895, I forgot to publish it before, my bad | 13:50 |
| mahatic | pchng: np, looking | 13:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Last-Modified header support on HEAD/GET container https://review.openstack.org/198633 | 13:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Add func test to verify last modified at container https://review.openstack.org/235743 | 13:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Last-Modified header support on HEAD/GET container https://review.openstack.org/198633 | 14:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Last-Modified header support on HEAD/GET container https://review.openstack.org/198633 | 14:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mahati Chamarthy proposed openstack/swift: Hyperlink fix to first contribution doc https://review.openstack.org/235895 | 14:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Jordan Pittier proposed openstack/swift: Fix testing issues https://review.openstack.org/235933 | 14:08 |
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| mahatic_ | pchng: done. that makes sense | 14:08 |
| mahatic_ | cschwede: kota: sorry, i changed it | 14:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Support last modified on listing containers https://review.openstack.org/198634 | 14:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ferenc Horváth proposed openstack/swift: Replace string slicing with proper string methods. https://review.openstack.org/235950 | 14:28 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 14:39 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: hello | 14:50 |
| onovy | notmyname, morning, can you look to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231354/ please? | 14:50 |
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| notmyname | I'll be traveling today (leaving within the hour). I hope to be back online later this afternoon | 14:53 |
| onovy | ok, np | 14:53 |
| notmyname | onovy: oh! yeah that looks like a good patch (from the commit meesage) | 14:53 |
| onovy | :) | 14:53 |
| notmyname | onovy: yeah, if it hasn't landed by the time I get back online, I'll look at it soon | 14:55 |
| onovy | perfect, thank you | 14:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Support last modified on listing containers https://review.openstack.org/198634 | 15:22 |
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| jordanP | guys I think the job gate-swift-dsvm-functionall is broken on stable/kilo | 15:25 |
| jordanP | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217750/ | 15:26 |
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| jordanP | without this patch, no functionnal tests are actually run by tox -e func on stable/kilo | 15:26 |
| jordanP | for instance here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232696/ this was merged 2 days ago | 15:27 |
| jordanP | but "gate-swift-dsvm-functional" is all green but if you look into more details | 15:27 |
| jordanP | " Ran 0 tests in 0.002s" http://logs.openstack.org/96/232696/3/check/gate-swift-dsvm-functional/f9c182d/console.html.gz#_2015-10-08_20_35_15_226 | 15:27 |
| siva_krishnan | Hi All, I am quite new to Swift, yet to start my contribution. I thought of reaching out to you guys if you could suggest me low-hanging-fruit/triaged bugs or any long pending documentation bugs related to Swift which would help me get started with contribution. I am super excited to start working on Swift. | 15:28 |
| jordanP | cschwede, ping (sorry to bother) | 15:28 |
| cschwede | jordanP: no worries, i’m already looking at it :) | 15:29 |
| jordanP | great. So I wanted to backport your patch "Fix testing issues" but this fails for other reason | 15:30 |
| jordanP | the func tests "test_project_domain_id_header" fails with Keystone v3 and are skipped with keystone v2 | 15:31 |
| peterlisak | Hi everyone, I have a question. | 15:31 |
| peterlisak | I want to prioritize some swift daemons/servers to others. For example: object-server to object-reaper, beacause I need all users' request to be served in peak hours and deletion could wait. | 15:31 |
| peterlisak | Currently I use nice/ionice command to manage this behaviour. It would be great to have native support in swift. Adding optional config param to set daemon/server io scheduling class and priority by nice/ionice. | 15:31 |
| peterlisak | Or is there already any existing feature in swift for that? | 15:31 |
| peterlisak | I would like to know your opinion before try implementing it. | 15:31 |
| peterlisak | Thx! | 15:31 |
| cschwede | jordanP: i’m looking into a backport of the „Fix testing issues“, and a fix for the "test_project_domain_id_header“. Local tests are running atm on stable/kilo | 15:34 |
| jordanP | cschwede, great | 15:34 |
| jordanP | cschwede, what I noticed is that you need keystone v3 (auth_version, auth_prefix) in your test.conf to reproduce the failures | 15:35 |
| tdasilva | siva_krishnan: Hi, welcome to Swift. I'd start by taking a look here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/first_contribution_swift.html and here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas | 15:36 |
| tdasilva | siva_krishnan: Another great way to get involved is to look at open reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift,n,z | 15:38 |
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| siva_krishnan | tdaSilva Thanks for the info. Can you please shed some light on code debug process followed in Swift/Openstack as I am from Java background ? | 15:52 |
| cschwede | jordanP: wow, this is a little bit more tricky than i thought. wondering about the errors in http://logs.openstack.org/33/235933/1/check/gate-swift-dsvm-functional/03cb07a/console.html | 15:54 |
| cschwede | i have to take a break now, but will check again later why patch 235933 fails in Jenkins | 15:55 |
| patchbot | cschwede: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235933/ - Fix testing issues | 15:55 |
| jordanP | cschwede, yeah it's not obvious, I spent a couple of hours on it already before reaching to you | 15:57 |
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| wbhuber | clayg: ^^ | 16:49 |
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| clayg | gholt's blog is gone :'( | 17:16 |
| clayg | like the internet lost it or something | 17:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Hyperlink fix to first contribution doc https://review.openstack.org/235895 | 17:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Barton proposed openstack/swift: go: pass vars to container update https://review.openstack.org/236113 | 21:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bill Huber proposed openstack/swift: ObjectControllers return application errors as 499 on bad read https://review.openstack.org/236007 | 21:43 |
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| jlhinson | notmyname: clayg: In patch 218490, I load a value "conf_reload_time" that specifies how often we should attempt to reload memcache.conf | 22:02 |
| patchbot | jlhinson: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218490/ - Automatic refresh of memcache config settings | 22:02 |
| jlhinson | How thoroughly should we check that the provided value is valid (an int, non-neg, etc.)? | 22:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 22:26 |
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| redbo_ | notmyname: when you get a chance, can you merge master into feature/hummingbird? I think something changed that made all the gate tests break. | 22:28 |
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| notmyname | good afternoon | 22:54 |
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| notmyname | redbo_: sure | 22:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Dickinson proposed openstack/swift: Merge branch 'master' into hummingbird https://review.openstack.org/236162 | 23:05 |
| notmyname | redbo_: ^ | 23:05 |
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| redbo_ | thanks! | 23:10 |
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| notmyname | redbo_: I'm not sure what gate tests are breaking. was there another merge patch? | 23:10 |
| redbo | I don't really know, it's spitting out some error about .coveragerc. | 23:14 |
| redbo | oh, ignore-errors=True changed to ignore_errors=True last month | 23:17 |
| clayg | redbo: so much better | 23:17 |
| redbo | I can see how that would drive someone crazy | 23:18 |
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| notmyname | oh. heh. seems that merge patch caused a lot of emails to be generated | 23:23 |
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