Tuesday, 2018-02-06

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ttxandreaf: we need your +1 on a QA repo addition at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540906/08:51
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ttxtc-members assemble09:00
ttxcmurphy: morning! how was FOSDEM?09:00
ttxcrowded and wet ?09:00
cmurphyttx: yes and cold09:00
ttxnothing surprising.09:01
ttxwas it your first?09:01
cmurphyno, i had been a few years ago09:01
ttxthe good thing is that it doesn't change. the bad thing is that it doesn't change.09:02
cmurphywas discouraged from coming back because of how disorganized and crowded it was09:02
cmurphyand coming back reaffirmed that09:02
ttxyeah, been skipping twice in a row09:02
cmurphyat least they have a CoC now09:02
ttxI think it's good to see it once09:02
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ttxor once every 5 years to check your memories are accurate :)09:03
ttxIt's sad because they have a lot of potential, if they were open to changing it a bit.09:04
ttxOne thing I wanted us to discuss is the possibility to dedicate the queens release to Shawn Pierce, git contributor and Gerrit creator, who passed away last week.09:05
cdentI went to FOSDEM in maybe 2008 or 2009 and it put me off enough to never go pack. I don't think I got into any sessions09:06
cdenteventually decided that walking around the city was a better use of time09:07
cmurphythe virtualization/IaaS room was surprisingly large and empty09:07
ttxcdent: yes, been trying to warn my US colleagues who are all very excited to visit a grassroots conf09:07
cmurphyso i did actually get to see some talks09:07
ttxthis one might be *too* grassroots09:07
ttxand you might get disappointed09:08
cdentI liked what it was trying to be09:08
ttxcdent: it's a bit stuck in last century09:08
mugsieI spent most of Sunday at the OpenStack booth, and it was more useful than wandering around on Saturday09:08
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Mark the completion of tempest plugin split goal for Neutron Team  https://review.openstack.org/52460509:09
mugsieBut I do enjoy fosdem overall09:09
ttxcdent: opinion on dedicating Queens to Shawn Pierce ?09:10
ttxcmurphy, cdent: do you think we need a resolution for that ?09:10
cmurphyhave we ever dedicated a release to someone before?09:11
ttx(ad we didn't do a resolution back then)09:11
* ttx looks for ref09:11
cdentIt seems like a good gesture, and making it a resolution would give it heft that it wouldn't otherwise have as "just a statement". A different kind (not a resolution) written document might be just as good09:12
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add ansible-role-k8s-cinder  https://review.openstack.org/53460009:12
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Mark the completion of Tempest plugin split goal for Vitrage  https://review.openstack.org/53916309:12
ttxok, I'll see if mordred or aspiers can write something09:12
ttxPast one was Liberty, dedicated to Chris Yeoh09:14
* ttx looks up the Rocky goals09:16
ttxDid we say we should only RollCall+1 two of them and see who emerges first?09:17
cmurphyi think so09:17
ttxEmilienM is still +1 on three :)09:18
ttxLooks like mox and mutable-debug are winning09:19
ttxI think we should do a thread saying those are the two we are about to approve, alst-minute comments wanted09:20
cdentgood idea09:20
ttxbecause we judge a set, not individual choices09:20
openstackgerritChandan Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Mark the completion of Tempest plugin split goal for Telemetry team  https://review.openstack.org/54119509:21
ttxI'll see with EmilienM who posts it09:21
ttxFor PTG post-lunch presentations... we got a bunch proposed09:23
openstackgerritchenge proposed openstack/governance master: Replace Chinese quotes to English quotes  https://review.openstack.org/54119709:24
ttxI think Monday, Tuesday are pretty much set. Monday we'll have a "Welcome to the PTG" with community situational awareness + release goals talk09:25
ttxIs anyone interested in helping cover the "TC" part of this ?09:25
ttxWe'll likely start with Erin doing a welcome + housekeeping items, then give a bit of a state of the union in terms of openstack community, and reaffirming the Rocky release goals09:26
ttxLet me start another etherpad to brainstorm content / messaging09:26
ttxotherwise we have 5 proposals (lightning talks, meetings outcome show and tell, release process, OpenStackSDK, PublicCloudWG) for 3 slots (Wed, Thu, Fri)09:34
ttxA reminder on release process would not hurt given how hard it's been to herd the cats this cycle09:35
ttxSounds like OpenStackSDK would be a good one too09:35
cmurphymaybe some of those could be condensed into lightning talks09:35
ttxThe meetings outcome one... I like the idea, but not sure how practical that would be09:35
ttxgiven how many tracks we have09:36
ttxWe could condense that one into lightning talk09:36
openstackgerritChandan Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Mark the completion of tempest plugin split goal for Congress Team  https://review.openstack.org/54120109:36
ttxlike if you have some outcome you'd like to share, take a slot there09:36
ttxPublicCloud WG would like a Monday slot, which kind of conflicts with the Welcome to PTG thing09:37
ttxmight also be a lightning talk candidate but I wonder if they would still be around on Friday09:38
ttxPlease vote/comment on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-PTG-postlunch09:41
ttxand add your name to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-PTG-postlunch-monday if you want to be involved in that presentation09:42
ttxIn related news, looks like we are selling out our last PTG tickets. 9 remaining on Eventbrite09:43
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ttxmugsie: could you fill up https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Rocky/CityGuide with your local suggestions ?09:48
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mugsiettx: Yeap, I am traveling back home today, so will add a list tomorrow / Thursday10:05
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Our Zuul infrastructure is currently experiencing some problems and processing jobs very slowly, we're investigating. Please do not approve or recheck changes for now.10:30
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andreafttx: adding that repo is fine with me - I was just checking with the rest of the QA team if there was any concern - so far it looks good11:17
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smcginnisttx: +1 for dedicating the release. I think that would be a nice gesture.13:19
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* dims catching up13:23
dimsttx : +1 to "dedicating Queens to Shawn Pierce"13:23
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TheJuliattx: Also +1 on dedicating the release14:06
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openstackgerritLiam Young proposed openstack/governance master: Add vault charm to gerrit  https://review.openstack.org/54128814:33
openstackgerritLiam Young proposed openstack/governance master: Add vault charm to gerrit  https://review.openstack.org/54128814:34
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EmilienMttx: I'll update my votes14:39
EmilienMttx: done, I removed my vote from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532361/14:40
ttxEmilienM: Thanks! We also need to send a "those two goals are going to be selected now. Speak now if you have comments or forever hold your peace" email to the ML14:40
ttxLet me knos if you'd rather send it yourself14:41
EmilienMI can do it today14:41
ttxGreat! Thanks. Hopefully we'll be able to approve those this week or early next week.14:41
mordredtc-members: could I get a quick review/+A on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539239 ? It's basically just a patch to fix actually publishing the content14:44
EmilienMttx: done14:44
cdentmordred: done14:44
mordredcdent: thanks14:44
EmilienMcdent: was the fastest :-O14:45
EmilienMcan I ask who is Shawn Pierce ? (and sorry if it's a stupid question)14:45
mordredEmilienM: original author of gerrit14:45
ttxEmilienM: see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/126916.html14:45
mordredEmilienM: also of jgit and gitk and a very prolific contributor to git itself14:46
EmilienMoh, I saw mordred's tweet a few days ago14:46
EmilienMok sorry for that question :( I just didn't recall the name14:46
EmilienMttx: +1 to dedicate the release to him, of course14:47
fungiyeah, shawn's loss is fitting for a release dedication, no objection14:55
dhellmann+1 for the dedication, too. we should write up a resolution to document it formally.14:56
mordreddhellmann: working on it14:58
persiaDoes it need a resolution?  Chris Yeoh was honoured without resolution, which was good.  Does a different process indicate we feel differently about Shawn vs. Chris?15:01
dhellmannmordred : cool, thanks15:02
dhellmannpersia : when we honored chris we voted in a meeting. We don't do that any more.15:02
dhellmannit's also nice to explain *why* we do things like this, because not everyone in our community will know who Shawn is15:02
dhellmannit never hurts to write things down15:03
ttxalso cdent noted it would give the message a bit more weight and context15:09
ttxsince the mention on the release announcement is likely to be short.15:09
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smcginnisI would hope it would be seen as an evolution in our process that we write something down for Shawn when we hadn't for Chris.15:13
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dhellmannit wouldn't hurt to write something down about chris, too, while we're at it15:17
mordreddhellmann: yah  - I'm actually having a hard time writing anything more than a couple of sentences because all I've got documented for chris is the release announcement text, and it feels wrong to say more about shawn than about chris15:20
mordredhttps://www.openstack.org/software/kilo/ -> 'Dedicated to the memory of Chris Yeoh' section for reference15:20
persiaAh, yes, without meetings, resolutions are the only mechanism to show support.  Makes sense.15:23
dhellmannmordred : I can understand that sentiment. I think it was an oversight at the time, and we can correct that about chris by asking some folks who knew him well to contribute. If we say we're going to do that, does that help with writing about Shawn?15:25
mordreddhellmann: yah - I think so. on the other hand - maybe just having the resolution for Shawn be reasonably short is also fine15:26
dhellmannI don't think we need to write something really long. But explaining how he relates to the community may make it seem longer.15:27
openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Dedicate Queens release to Shawn Pierce  https://review.openstack.org/54131315:32
mordredk. there's a first stab ... obviously we can iterate15:32
smcginnisWe did have the nice video for Chris, so it's not like it was just two sentences.15:35
dhellmannmordred : suggested tweak, but that looks good in terms of length and content15:35
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openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Dedicate Queens release to Shawn Pierce  https://review.openstack.org/54131315:36
mordreddhellmann: ++15:36
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dhellmannmordred : +115:37
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fungimordred: excellent commit message too20:34
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Remove editor mode setting from goals template  https://review.openstack.org/54149023:44

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