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| dhellmann | fungi : is there a way to make the foundation member API return all affiliations for someone? | 13:54 |
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| dhellmann | I seem to only be getting 1 value for myself, for example | 13:54 |
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| aspiers | are there 3 mins of office hours left?! | 13:57 |
| aspiers | or is it not starting for another hour | 13:57 |
| fungi | aspiers: office hour starts today at 1500z | 13:57 |
| smcginnis | aspiers: But we still like to lounge in the office. | 13:58 |
| aspiers | fungi: yeah, but that assumes that I can convert between UTC and BST ;-) | 13:58 |
| fungi | "Thursdays at 15:00 UTC" per /topic | 13:58 |
| fungi | ahh | 13:58 |
| aspiers | just because I live in the UK it doesn't mean I have a brain | 13:58 |
| aspiers | possibly the opposite ;-) | 13:58 |
| smcginnis | :) | 13:58 |
| aspiers | 1500z is ... 4pm BST | 13:59 |
| aspiers | OK great, so I didn't miss the window for this week | 13:59 |
| smcginnis | Feel free to raise topics and ask questions at any time though. | 13:59 |
| aspiers | well I can easily wait an hour, but was just after a sanity check that my approach on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/extreme-testing-contacts makes sense | 13:59 |
| fungi | dhellmann: there is in fact a magic parameter you can find by reading some php (yay lack of documentation). relations=all_affiliations | 14:00 |
| aspiers | since I'm hoping to shortly publish the doodle poll I just created | 14:00 |
| fungi | dhellmann: for increased detail you might want expand=groups&relations=all_affiliations,groups | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | fungi : is that php code publicly available somewhere? :-) | 14:01 |
| aspiers | the approach is kind of based on the bluejeans video call for kickstarting / level-setting the skip-level upgrades discussion which happened about 12(?) months ago | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | aspiers: That all looks good to me. | 14:01 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yeah, i linked it in here the other day along wit the link to how we're using the api in the election repo. lemme find it again | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | aspiers : yeah, when you have something to bring up you should just bring it up. | 14:01 |
| aspiers | dhellmann: cool, thanks :) | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | fungi : thanks, I can find it if you're busy | 14:02 |
| fungi | dhellmann: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/openstackid-resources/tree/app/Models/Foundation/Main/Member.php | 14:02 |
| aspiers | smcginnis: great, thank you | 14:02 |
| fungi | grepped my irc client log | 14:02 |
| fungi | aspiers: yeah, office hours are good for if you're having trouble finding tc members around, but feel free to ask questions in here any time | 14:03 |
| aspiers | fungi: got it | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | aspiers : are you going to have a forum session, too? | 14:15 |
| aspiers | dhellmann: oh wow, somehow that didn't even occur to me :-/ Well, I guess I was imagining that it would be covered during the self-healing session | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | I'm also curious if you see this as a new sig or an initiative of the self-healing sig (it doesn't matter, I'm just interested) | 14:16 |
| aspiers | haha | 14:16 |
| aspiers | great minds, or something :) | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 14:16 |
| aspiers | No, that's actually a great question which I hadn't considered until right now. | 14:16 |
| aspiers | I guess there could be benefits from splitting it off. What do you think? | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure who to tell you to talk to about that. Maybe follow up on Jimmy's email with the proposed schedule? There were some open slots. | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | oh that's about the forum session | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | as far as a separate group, if there is a home for this already I'd just stay there until there's an obvious reason to move out | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | if there's no real overlap with the rest of the sig, then maybe it makes sense | 14:18 |
| aspiers | I think there's some overlap for sure | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | but otherwise I wouldn't be in a rush to form a new group unless you see some benefit to that | 14:18 |
| aspiers | Since a testing framework needs to be able to test (ideally) *all* self-healing use cases | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | sure, it feels like a good fit for that group, I was just trying to understand exactly what you were asking of the tc in terms of reviewing the plan | 14:19 |
| aspiers | Despite an encouraging start in terms of attendance, the self-healing SIG is pretty quiet, so I'd be a bit nervous about "giving away" discussion topics to other umbrellas | 14:20 |
| aspiers | I could maybe do with a bit of mentoring regarding how to gain momentum | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | ok, sure | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | this all looks very organized right now, which is a good start | 14:21 |
| aspiers | My original question 20 mins ago was really just for a sanity check, nothing too specific | 14:21 |
| aspiers | I already know I need to be quicker on following through on the actions I've submitted to storyboard | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | that list of people at the bottom, have they been active somehow recently? part of the existing SIG? mailing list discussion? etc? | 14:21 |
| aspiers | though that's tough with the mostly downstream day-job | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | yeah, momentum will come with consistent activity, even if it is small incremental steps at first | 14:22 |
| aspiers | Not hugely active, no | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | if your time is limited it sounds like you might want to find a partner to help organize things | 14:22 |
| aspiers | Already done :-) | 14:22 |
| aspiers | Eric has been great so far, super helpful | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | cool :-) | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | I see you reference a spec | 14:23 |
| aspiers | I guess I could lean on him a bit harder (he even offered) | 14:23 |
| aspiers | although I feel a bit guilty about doing that too much | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | we haven't been using the openstack-specs repo much, so we might want to work out another place to iterate on that document | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | you're stronger together; be open about the needs you have and let him pick up the work he feels able to. You might be surprised. | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | (pleasantly) | 14:24 |
| aspiers | he's already pleasantly surprised me several times :) | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | oh, that spec is in qa-specs, that's a better home for it | 14:25 |
| aspiers | e.g. by proactively self-assigning tasks / stories I'd submitted in Storyboard | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | that's good, then :-) | 14:25 |
| aspiers | which proved the importance and value of having a shared task tracker | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | what are you planning as your next steps? | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | and where is that storyboard stuff going? which project? | 14:26 |
| aspiers | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/917 | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | nice | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | the review comments on the spec look like they have constructive feedback | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | is the next step to settle that spec, or to prototype something? | 14:29 |
| aspiers | yes, it's been pretty good | 14:29 |
| aspiers | IIUC prototyping already started last year | 14:30 |
| aspiers | https://github.com/LCOO/eris | 14:30 |
| aspiers | https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/22872097/Extreme+Testing+Demo | 14:30 |
| aspiers | IIRC there was a demo in Denver | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | aw, really, an atlassian wiki? | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | sigh | 14:30 |
| aspiers | yeah :-/ | 14:31 |
| aspiers | also https://lcoo.slack.com/ | 14:31 |
| aspiers | it was on my TODO list to mail the list asking if that could be changed | 14:31 |
| dtroyer_zz | corporate-types really eat that stuff up for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It has become the bane of my work-life | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | I don't want to get too far into the weeds on importing all of this into the community-based tools, but it looks like right now the LCOO group is working off in their own garden | 14:32 |
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| cdent | dtroyer_zz: since I see you there, and because I know you have _so_ much free time, I'd love to see your answers to dhellmann email questions from earlier this week | 14:32 |
| dtroyer_zz | heh, I haven't read past the first two or three replies on any of them | 14:33 |
| dtroyer_zz | I'll try to get to it, right after a weeks+ of OSC reviews | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | cdent : yeah, dtroyer_zz has some of my code to review first and I'd rather he prioritize that ;-) | 14:33 |
| aspiers | dhellmann: yeah, this is one of the reasons I raised the idea of a gradual migration to something like Matrix http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2018-March/000332.html | 14:33 |
| aspiers | though -sigs was probably the wrong list to do that on | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | I haven't heard of matrix before. | 14:34 |
| cdent | dhellmann: fair | 14:34 |
| aspiers | check it out - it's pretty awesome! | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if that would solve the irc spam issue | 14:35 |
| aspiers | dhellmann: lightning summary: the freedom and "decentralisedness" of IRC, coupled with the shininess / functionality of Slack, plus a built-in gateway to Freenode | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | do users have to run their own servers? or would we run 1 and connect it to some network? | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | and is there a non-web based client? | 14:36 |
| aspiers | There's literally no server-side setup required. I've already been using it as a freenode IRC client with built-in support for disconnected operation with history | 14:36 |
| aspiers | I was doing that during Sydney and Dublin on my phone and laptop | 14:37 |
| aspiers | Yes, there are many clients | 14:37 |
| aspiers | even for weechat :-) | 14:37 |
| aspiers | https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | I'm really only interested in mac and ios native clients; I'll look through the list. | 14:37 |
| aspiers | Riot is available for iOS | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | lots of emphasis on reporting the language things are written in; less on where you can run them. Typical open source. :-) | 14:38 |
| aspiers | Haha yeah | 14:39 |
| aspiers | But for a young project it already has impressive momentum | 14:39 |
| aspiers | I really think it has a good shot at replacing IRC | 14:39 |
| mugsie | re the LCOO - the closed nature was raised last year http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111511.html | 14:39 |
| mugsie | and http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-February/012567.html | 14:40 |
| aspiers | mugsie: thanks, I guess that saves me writing a diplomatic email | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | aspiers: You should write a blog post about how you are using matrix with freenode. | 14:40 |
| mugsie | aspiers: I wouldn't discount bringing it back up | 14:41 |
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| aspiers | smcginnis: I almost did, and then I found one someone else had written - let me find it again | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | aspiers: Thanks, I would be interested in reading more. | 14:41 |
| aspiers | smcginnis, dhellmann: https://opensource.com/article/17/5/introducing-riot-IRC | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | aspiers: Thanks! | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | aspiers : thanks for all of those references; I'm reading through the old emails on the LCOO threads | 14:45 |
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| dhellmann | it appears that the leaders got pissed off about being asked why they were doing things in a way that looks closed and then the threads petered out http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-February/012580.html | 14:49 |
| aspiers | sigh | 14:50 |
| mugsie | dhellmann: basically, yeah | 14:51 |
| aspiers | kudos to Jay though | 14:51 |
| mugsie | I was sick of sticking my head above the wall back then, so I left it | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | maybe mrhillsman has more recent insights, since it's a UC thing | 14:52 |
| mrhillsman | Reading | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | hmmm, quite a bit of backlog | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | tldr? | 14:57 |
| mugsie | LCOO does not seem to open - is there a reason we let it do that? | 14:58 |
| mugsie | separate slack, atlassian wiki and tracker, closed membership based on an executive decision | 14:58 |
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| mnaser | o/ | 15:00 |
| mugsie | mrhillsman: all of my objections from http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111521.html still apply | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Official officing time. | 15:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 15:00 |
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| fungi | oh, it is | 15:01 |
| fungi | tc-members: unite! | 15:01 |
| cdent | oh hi | 15:01 |
| ttx | Hi! | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | For those who missed it -- please check strawman forum schedule for conflicts | 15:02 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 15:02 |
| * ttx fetches link | 15:02 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15hkU0FLJ7yqougCiCQgprwTy867CGnmUvAvKaBjlDAo/edit#gid=1998591996 | 15:02 |
| cdent | no conflicts, but definitely some long runs of activity | 15:02 |
| cdent | (which is probably fine) | 15:02 |
| ttx | dhellmann: they might start to suspect we are the same person | 15:02 |
| cmurphy | i have some tc/keystone conflicts :'( | 15:02 |
| ttx | cmurphy: where? | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | ttx: in the merger, I'll share my knowledge of whiskey if you'll share you're knowledge of wine | 15:03 |
| aspiers | :) | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | mugsie dhellmann let me read as I was not UC at the time of LCOO approval | 15:03 |
| cmurphy | ttx: thursday 1:50-3:20 | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | mrhillsman: thanks. maybe we can follow up in a day or two, here? | 15:04 |
| ttx | Ah, default roles | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | mrhillsman : or via email, whatever is easier | 15:04 |
| ttx | and unified limits ? | 15:04 |
| mrhillsman | at least idt I was, do not recall voting on yay or nay | 15:04 |
| mugsie | mrhillsman: sure - we should take time on it | 15:04 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 15:04 |
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| cmurphy | ttx: yep, but i'm not moderating so they can live without me | 15:05 |
| ttx | trying to find a good thing to swap it with | 15:05 |
| fungi | mugsie: mrhillsman: i completely agree on lcoo... i think i sent some mildly-incendiary replies on one of the lists a while back. andyu also tracked me down at a subsequent summit to attempt to explain the reasoning for some of that | 15:06 |
| cmurphy | ttx: i think no matter what someone will have to miss something | 15:06 |
| jroll | morning | 15:06 |
| ttx | maybe "Planning to use placement in Cinder" on Monday | 15:06 |
| mugsie | fungi: yeah, I think we may have talked about in a TC meeting as well | 15:06 |
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| fungi | while i'm nto a fan of the proprietary and somewhat exclusive tooling they've chosen, my biggest concern is that they define themselves as a working group made up of "member companies" with an "executive board" rather than individual members | 15:07 |
| mugsie | yeah | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 15:07 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, that's the most concerning part for me, too | 15:07 |
| ttx | arh no, that's Chris's one | 15:08 |
| cdent | ttx it's not clean that cinder one even needs to happen. smcginnis may have thoughts on that | 15:09 |
| ttx | cmurphy: could swap with Cinder HA discussion | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Moving cinder/placement where? I should be there too. | 15:09 |
| ttx | smcginnis: planning to attend that one ? | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | cdent: I think we do need to have a discussion about it to get the cinder team going with placement. | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | ttx: What are the conflicting sessions and slots in question? | 15:09 |
| ttx | (proposing swapping with one of the Cinder sessions since jbryant is easier to get an OK from) | 15:10 |
| cdent | smcginnis: okay, cool with me, I just wasn't sure if we had moved far enough along or not | 15:10 |
| ttx | smcginnis: swapping Default Roles (Thu 1:50pm) with Cinder HA discussion on Tuesday 11:00am) | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | cdent: Maybe it is a little premature. It could end up being a short discussion I suppose. But I think more cinder folks need to be aware of it and start thinking about why we need it. | 15:11 |
| ttx | (if that works for y'all maybe cmurphy can talk jbryant into OKing the swap) | 15:11 |
| cmurphy | lbragstad: ^ | 15:11 |
| cdent | smcginnis: yeah, I agree. Might just be a slightly different discussion than I was initially thinking (at time a: how we gonna do this thing?, time b: what is this thing we might do?) | 15:12 |
| ttx | cmurphy: or reply to the ML post announcing the schedule pointing to the conflict and my proposed solution | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | ttx: That looks like it should be OK for me. | 15:12 |
| cmurphy | ttx: okay sure | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | cdent: Yeah. I know there is a spec out there now that is getting pushback that it should use placement. So I guess it depends how the team prioritizes that. | 15:13 |
| ttx | then make sure jbryant +1s it | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | jbryant == jungleboyj ? | 15:13 |
| * lbragstad parses scrollback | 15:13 | |
| ttx | indeed | 15:13 |
| cmurphy | lbragstad: forum scheduling | 15:13 |
| jungleboyj | Did someone say my name? | 15:13 |
| ttx | jungleboyj: cmurphy has a forum conflict we are trying to solve | 15:14 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: oh - the back-to-back sessions on thursday | 15:14 |
| ttx | so we propose swapping Default Roles (Thu 1:50pm) with Cinder HA discussion on Tuesday 11:00am) | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | ttx forumtopics.openstack.org connection refused | 15:15 |
| ttx | See https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15hkU0FLJ7yqougCiCQgprwTy867CGnmUvAvKaBjlDAo/edit#gid=1998591996 | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | not sure if we pulled it since schedule is up but someone mentioned it so passing along msg | 15:15 |
| ttx | mrhillsman: yes I killed it as people were still submitting | 15:15 |
| jungleboyj | ttx Ok. I haven't looked at the schedule yet. Let me pull it up. | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | ok cool | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 15:15 |
| lbragstad | the swap works with my schedule and doesn't conflict with any other keystone talks i know about | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I think it looks ok. | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | What is the change cmurphy ? | 15:18 |
| cdent | dhellmann: did you already have some ideas on how to turn the ideas and enthusiasm produced by your emails into actions? Or is that something we should plan a planning meeting for? | 15:19 |
| cmurphy | jungleboyj: ttx | so we propose swapping Default Roles (Thu 1:50pm) with Cinder HA discussion on Tuesday 11:00am) | 15:19 |
| * smcginnis has to go be an airport shuttle for a bit | 15:19 | |
| jungleboyj | cmurphy: Thanks. | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | cdent : I (or someone) need to go through and summarize the responses still so that may be something to discuss next week after the election is settled and we've had time to do that | 15:20 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Could you cover that session on Thursday if we make that change? | 15:20 |
| jungleboyj | I need to leave late morning Thursday. | 15:20 |
| cdent | dhellmann: cool. I think there was a great deal of good stuff in there that I'd hate to see float away. I'll be gone next week but when I'm back, even if not elected, I'd like to help out with that. | 15:21 |
| ttx | jungleboyj: probably not, he needs to be on that TC session too | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | cdent : great, I'll count on your help | 15:21 |
| cmurphy | jungleboyj: in that case that sounds like a bad swap | 15:21 |
| ttx | jungleboyj: we should find something else to swap with then | 15:21 |
| jungleboyj | :-( Yeah. | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | I do have it on my todo list to prepare that summary | 15:21 |
| jungleboyj | cmurphy: Sorry. | 15:22 |
| cmurphy | no worries :) | 15:22 |
| * cmurphy is convinced this is an unsolvable problem | 15:22 | |
| ttx | nah... | 15:22 |
| lbragstad | just a super hard puzzle | 15:22 |
| ttx | Swap with Manila Ops feedback on Monday 11:35 | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | cmurphy : we'll just hold 2 sessions in the same room so you can participate in both | 15:23 |
| * jungleboyj has faith that this community can solve any problem. ;-) | 15:23 | |
| * TheJulia is with jungleboyj on this one | 15:23 | |
| ttx | you need to get Tom Barron's +1 | 15:23 |
| cmurphy | dhellmann: why stop there, let's hold all sessions in the same room | 15:23 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: +1 | 15:23 |
| cmurphy | problem solved | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | cmurphy : that's some thought leadering you're doing there | 15:23 |
| cmurphy | ;) | 15:23 |
| * jungleboyj high fives TheJulia | 15:24 | |
| ttx | cmurphy: if you can convince Tom Barron to +1 it, swap with Manila Ops feedback on Monday 11:35 | 15:25 |
| ttx | Nothing runs against it except Forum 101 | 15:25 |
| cmurphy | ttx: okay will ask | 15:26 |
| * dhellmann reviews the forum schedule and goes to change all of the conference sessions he found interesting from "scheduled" to "watch later" | 15:26 | |
| ttx | cmurphy: once OKayed, post the suggestion on the ML and I'll make it happen if nobody screams | 15:26 |
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| cmurphy | oh tbarron is in this channel, tbarron: thoughts? ^ | 15:27 |
| tbarron | cmurphy: give me a sec, running upstream manila community meeting ... | 15:28 |
| cmurphy | tbarron: no hurry | 15:28 |
| tbarron | cmurphy: what's the proposed time for the swap? I'll ask ... | 15:28 |
| cmurphy | tbarron: Thursday 1:50-2:30 | 15:29 |
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| dhellmann | while we wait to hear about that, maybe we should do some housekeeping on our topic list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-office-hour-conversation-starters | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | are there any items on the list that folks think are resolved or otherwise no longer interesting? | 15:36 |
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| dhellmann | ttx imported tasks into storyboard; do we want to keep that item to talk about how it's going? or is it done? | 15:36 |
| cdent | foss backstage is sort of a too late now, isn't it? | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | that one is, but the more general topic of meeting up at some event that is not an openstack event could still be considered | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should update that item to reflect that | 15:37 |
| zaneb | is the kolla/kolla-k8s/openstack-helm tire fire under control now? | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | my understanding on that was the folks involved had come to an agreement about how to deal with kolla-k8s but that we still wanted to talk about whether to press the kolla team to split the image tools and the deployment tools into separate projects | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | I believe we're expecting https://review.openstack.org/552531 to be updated to retire kolla-k8s as part of that outcome, right? | 15:40 |
| zaneb | that was my assuption, yeah | 15:41 |
| zaneb | assumption | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | I just opened https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001923 to deal with the PTL email address thing. I can't imagine any reason not to show them now. Does someone want to work on that code change? | 15:41 |
| fungi | since i proposed it, i'm happy to submit that change | 15:42 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yeah that's done | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | fungi : assigned | 15:43 |
| fungi | i assigned it to myself a few moments before you | 15:43 |
| fungi | but yes, thanks | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ah, ok | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | ttx: which? | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | oh, the storyboard import | 15:44 |
| fungi | ttx: mrhillsman: i expect we should retitle the "adjutant official project status" session based on the comment thread for that proposal | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | good call | 15:45 |
| fungi | i can't get to http://forumtopics.openstack.org/openid/login/?next=/cfp/details/122 any longer, but can probably remember enough of the prose i added to come up with a more suitable title | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : what is the status of the "devstack virtualenv" topic? do you still need TC input on that? | 15:46 |
| ttx | fungi: I'm happy to provide you with the original details | 15:46 |
| fungi | mugsie seemed to be in agreement that we would be better off using that time to discuss red flag items we've encountered in new project applications which aren't explicitly covered in our guidelines | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | I liked that direction change, too | 15:47 |
| tbarron | cmurphy: sorry to be slow, the swap is fine | 15:47 |
| mugsie | yeah - I think re-titling is a good idea | 15:47 |
| mugsie | I will have to run at the end of it though, I have a talk 10 mins after it finishes | 15:47 |
| cmurphy | tbarron: great, thank you! | 15:48 |
| mrhillsman | +1 from me | 15:48 |
| mrhillsman | makes sense | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | it would be good to have some more input on the python 2/3 thread before the forum, too: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129866.html | 15:48 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: its still outstanding as far as whether or not we want to move forward with it. corvus had said he would write up an email to the original thread explaining why he thinks it is a reasonable plan forward | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : ok, so we're waiting for that thread? | 15:48 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: ya I think that will eb the revive discussion email and we can take it from there | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | sounds good, thanks | 15:49 |
| corvus | clarkb, dhellmann: what now? | 15:50 |
| cdent | if the adjutant topic goes more genric does it end up overlapping with the "project applications/what is openstack" topic? | 15:50 |
| clarkb | corvus: devstack virtualenv, iirc after our last infra meeting you emntioned you would send email to the dev list saying why you thought it was a good idea? | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | corvus : clarkb had asked the TC for input about the plan to make devstack use a virtualenv to deal with pip 10 | 15:51 |
| corvus | clarkb, dhellmann: yes! that i will do, thanks. | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | cdent : oh, well spotted. Maybe we should drop the Adjutant session from the schedule | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | corvus : thank you | 15:52 |
| cdent | dhellmann: we could go two hours on the general topic, I'm sure | 15:52 |
| cdent | or at least drink some coffee | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | cdent : we could, and maybe we ought to, since it keeps coming up | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | though by that time on thursday we may all just sit in a room and stare at each other blankly | 15:53 |
| corvus | aspiers: you should definitely bring up matrix with the infra folk. i've run my own homeserver for about a year now. :) | 15:54 |
| aspiers | corvus: nice :) thing is, infra wouldn't even need to host a server, just like (AFAIK) we don't run a Freenode server | 15:56 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'll admit I placed it at the last spot since it sounded "droppable" | 15:56 |
| aspiers | although I think the Matrix initiative could definitely use some corporate sponsorship | 15:56 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I still like the idea of having time to discuss next steps there | 15:56 |
| ttx | Our brains should be mush anyway | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | ok. it seems unlikely we'd make any real conclusions about the application without their team being represented, but settling next steps seems doable | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:58 |
| ttx | cmurphy: don't forget to propose the swap to the ML, so that everyone else is in the loop before we change it | 15:59 |
| cmurphy | ttx: proposing it in -keystone first | 15:59 |
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| ttx | I may not make a lot of sense | 16:00 |
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| * ttx should get some fresh air for a bit | 16:00 | |
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