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| cmurphy | #startmeeting tc | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 5 09:00:36 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cmurphy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 09:00 |
| cmurphy | hello | 09:00 |
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| ttx | looks like my flight is delayed so I can attend first minutes | 09:04 |
| ttx | yay? | 09:04 |
| cmurphy | \o/ | 09:04 |
| ttx | Nothin like a one hour delay on a 50 min flight | 09:05 |
| cmurphy | that's the best | 09:05 |
| cmurphy | where are you headed ttx? | 09:06 |
| ttx | OpenStack Day Budapest | 09:06 |
| cmurphy | <3 budapest | 09:06 |
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| cmurphy | #endmeeting | 09:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 5 09:59:39 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2018/tc.2018-06-05-09.00.html | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2018/tc.2018-06-05-09.00.txt | 09:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2018/tc.2018-06-05-09.00.log.html | 09:59 |
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| evrardjp | It would be pretty nice if I could get some opinions on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131149.html thanks :) | 11:28 |
| evrardjp | (for the point 2. on the last part of the email) | 11:29 |
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| dims | o/ | 12:13 |
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| fungi | wow, this bug certainly highlights the sorts of issues we're likely to get into by mixing python3-only projects in with deployments focused primarily on python2: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746992 | 13:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746992 in gnocchi (Ubuntu) "gnocchi-api in Bionic uses python3, and libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 conflicts with the python 2 version" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:24 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: And I believe we are good on point 2 as well. | 13:24 |
| smcginnis | fungi: I'm curious what problems it causes with the other services as I thought all of those listed should be able to run under py3. | 13:26 |
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| fungi | smcginnis: ubuntu isn't set up to install libapache2-mod-wsgi-python2 and libapache2-mod-wsgi-python3 together | 13:27 |
| fungi | so all your wsgi-based services need to be on the same python version | 13:27 |
| smcginnis | Right, but I would have thought that would be OK. | 13:27 |
| fungi | granted, gnocchi claims to still support python2. my suspicion is that ubuntu bionic imported debian's (python3-based) gnocchi-api package but is still building their own packages of official openstack api services | 13:28 |
| fungi | confirmed, https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/gnocchi-api is taken straight from debian at the moment, so crossing the streams | 13:32 |
| smcginnis | Don't cross the streams! | 13:32 |
| dims | LOL | 13:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: add python 2 deprecation timeline https://review.openstack.org/571011 | 14:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: PowerVMStackers following stable policy https://review.openstack.org/562591 | 14:25 |
| evrardjp | haha, a good ghostbusters reference always lighten up the python mood | 14:30 |
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| smcginnis | mugsie: +1000 | 15:55 |
| mugsie | smcginnis: which one of the 3 emails? :D | 15:56 |
| * mugsie is just back reading emails after the summit, and wow, there is a ton of stuff here :) | 15:56 | |
| smcginnis | mugsie: About rewarding behavior. That's one key point that's been stabbing me in the side since the start. | 15:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Update mission statement https://review.openstack.org/570796 | 15:58 |
| mugsie | yeah. its not a great way to start | 15:58 |
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| dims | fyi, QEMU / Kata containers discussion - http://lists.katacontainers.io/pipermail/kata-hypervisor/2018-June/000000.html | 18:32 |
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| dhellmann | yay, another mailing list | 18:39 |
| mugsie | dims: were you at that discussion? Some interesting contributions from MSFT in the etherpad | 18:39 |
| dims | mugsie : i reached late and left early | 18:39 |
| mugsie | ah, OK. Was wondering what the verbal contributions were :) | 18:40 |
| dhellmann | it's interesting that everyone signed up on that etherpad under their employer | 18:40 |
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| mugsie | > Desirable minimal OS support - RHEL 6 (kernel2.6.32+GIANTDIFF), Windows Server 2013 | 18:42 |
| mugsie | that is one hell of a goal | 18:42 |
| dims | dhellmann : yep. | 18:42 |
| mugsie | I am assuming it is guest OS support, but still trying to removeas much as possible and still support ^ is tough | 18:43 |
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| dims | yes the guest os which will have the containers | 18:43 |
| dims | another interesting discussion from this morning at the CNCF TOC (see slide 7) - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/190oIFgujktVYxWZLhLYN4q8p9dtQYoe4sxHgn4deBSI/edit#slide=id.g360eaeb945a20053_0 | 18:44 |
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| dims | around "what kind of projects can we make top-level projects in CNCF? what if a project entirely depends on k8s? how many of them will show up?"... | 18:45 |
| dims | follow up to helm becoming a top level project | 18:45 |
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| clarkb | something something big tent? :P | 18:51 |
| clarkb | re the qemu front, its obviously a different layer but python linux wheels target a rhel 5 era glibc iirc | 18:52 |
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| mugsie | Yeah - I get the draw for windows (win containers are a thing), but a RHEL that old for something to run containers seems weird to me :) | 18:58 |
| dims | clarkb : dunno where things will land, that meeting was a first pass i think | 18:59 |
| smcginnis | dims: Did they come to any kind of common opinion in the TOC meeting? | 19:01 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : doesn't the wheel built depend on the compiler installed on the build host? | 19:01 |
| dims | smcginnis : ran out of time, there's a pointer to a issue/pr in the slide 7, where discussions will continue | 19:01 |
| smcginnis | dims: The Helm issue? | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: ya there is a universal linux base platform thing they publsih for though with idea being a wheel built against that will run on any linux | 19:02 |
| dhellmann | ah | 19:02 |
| dhellmann | TIL | 19:02 |
| dims | Helm made it into top level. now they are thinking about who else will ask for top level project and how many they can get in | 19:02 |
| smcginnis | dims: I mean, they are going to debate this community discussion on the helm issue? | 19:03 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: they make a docker image you can use to simplify consuming it too iirc | 19:03 |
| dims | smcginnis : dunno exactly where they will debate, but the starting point is the text in the helm issue "https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/114#issuecomment-393435553" | 19:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack/governance master: Add afsmon project under infra https://review.openstack.org/572527 | 19:14 |
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| fungi | clarkb: well, not _any_ linux | 20:07 |
| fungi | just any linux with a compatible glibc | 20:07 |
| clarkb | right has a large userland requirement too | 20:08 |
| fungi | alpine, for example, and other distros using uclibc, are not able to use manylinux1 wheels | 20:08 |
| fungi | also, there's a recently approved pep to switch the manylinux spec to year-based versioning rather than arbitrary sequence | 20:08 |
| fungi | so manylinux1 becomes something like manylinux2008 | 20:09 |
| clarkb | huh | 20:09 |
| fungi | and the proposed version which covers arm abi support will be manylinux2015 i think | 20:09 |
| fungi | basically trying to express roughly the timeframe from which the userland dependencies date | 20:10 |
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| fungi | which of course is still fairly nebulous as it's sort of "any distro release in or after this year should be able to use these wheels" | 20:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Add new roles to OpenStack-Ansible https://review.openstack.org/572556 | 20:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Y. Choi proposed openstack/governance master: Update PTI around project doc translation and PDF https://review.openstack.org/572559 | 20:44 |
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