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| fungi | tc-members (and anyone else): office hour is upon us | 01:00 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting tc | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 6 01:00:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 01:00 |
| fungi | #topic Office Hour | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Office Hour (Meeting topic: tc)" | 01:00 | |
| cdent | oh weird, I'm here. and it's daylight | 01:00 |
| fungi | #chair cdent | 01:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent fungi | 01:00 |
| mnaser | o/ | 01:04 |
| cdent | #chair mnaser | 01:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent fungi mnaser | 01:06 |
| mnaser | For what it’s worth, on my side on the items I’m tracking, starlingx first step of imports is now official: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/569562/ | 01:06 |
| mnaser | That covers only open sourced non forked code for now. | 01:06 |
| cdent | Were either or both of you at the board meeting? There was a thing in dhellmann's summary mesage I wanted to get additional flavor about. | 01:06 |
| mnaser | I was there for the most part. I had to leave for rehearsals at some point. | 01:07 |
| fungi | yeah, i was there the entire time | 01:07 |
| cdent | I'm wonderinng if there is more context to the assertion from AT&T about platinum membership costs: | 01:09 |
| cdent | a) they want them lower | 01:09 |
| cdent | b) they think they have a lot of contributors? | 01:09 |
| cdent | EOF | 01:09 |
| mnaser | I think I missed that part because I had to leave for rehearsals. Sorry. I hope fungi can fill you in on that. | 01:10 |
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| fungi | there was no more context. it was, like, one sentence | 01:20 |
| cdent | ah. shame. it seems very "huh?" | 01:21 |
| fungi | i have to wonder if there was some prior discussion happening on the private board ml | 01:21 |
| fungi | no idea really | 01:21 |
| fungi | also, most of the tc (myself included) was distracted with irc discussion in here about starlingx at the same time | 01:22 |
| clarkb | my interpretation of it was like wishing gasoline was cheaper before taking a roadtrio | 01:23 |
| fungi | derailed our ability to actually participate effectively in the in-person meeting | 01:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Castellan-compatible key store is a base service https://review.openstack.org/572656 | 01:28 |
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| * dtroyer peeks in quickly… | 01:29 | |
| * cdent waves and prepares to leave | 01:29 | |
| dtroyer | mnaser: thanks for the review & merge on the repos. | 01:29 |
| fungi | #chair dtroyer | 01:30 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent dtroyer fungi mnaser | 01:30 |
| dtroyer | cdent: toodles! | 01:30 |
| * dtroyer glares at fungi…didn't know the 'ex-' title doesn't protect him | 01:30 | |
| fungi | it's not been a super active office hour | 01:30 |
| fungi | heh | 01:30 |
| fungi | oh, right, you stepped down ;) | 01:30 |
| mnaser | fungi: yeah, maybe next time we can set the channels to +m :p | 01:31 |
| dtroyer | mnaser & all: I'm working on getting something set up for tracking the upstream work we have… | 01:31 |
| fungi | the burndown chart idea? | 01:31 |
| dtroyer | ultimately, yes | 01:31 |
| mnaser | That would be the ideal next step yes, so we can review that together. Please do let me know if you need any help :) | 01:32 |
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| dtroyer | I want a master list of 'stuff' from which we can point to reviews and whatnot… I think storyboard should work, will start playing with it soon now that we have a space... | 01:33 |
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| mnaser | Yeah. That way we can track the progress and communicate what’s going on | 01:33 |
| * dtroyer makes like cdent and splits | 01:34 | |
| fungi | #info dtroyer is working on a plan for tracking reviews and similar work related to upstream contributions extracted from starlingx downstream divergence | 01:35 |
| mnaser | pretty slow today :( | 01:40 |
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| fungi | #info initial starlingx original projects (no forks of anything) are now hosted on review.openstack.org and storyboard.openstack.org | 01:46 |
| fungi | #link castellan-compatible key store addition to base services proposed via https://review.openstack.org/572656 | 01:46 |
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| mnaser | I guess the other thing to cover on y side is organizational diversity tags. There is a lot of discussion and different ideas but nothing out of it yet. I am going to send an email summarizing where we are so far and proposing a few solutions to gather feedback on what is best | 01:49 |
| mnaser | I had some ideas of possibly checking those tags during release time, so that a project can can get its organizational diversity tag for the rocky release if the project met the requirements | 01:51 |
| mnaser | That gives us a longer cycle to determine the realistic state of a project | 01:51 |
| mnaser | It’s just an idea though. | 01:51 |
| fungi | yeah, if we could characterize the diversity of activity over the course of a release cycle, that might be useful | 01:51 |
| mnaser | Yep. It can easily tie in the existing automation we use to assert those tags and have members of tc approve them | 01:53 |
| mnaser | Could also tie it into the releases and have the job run every release in OpenStack/releases | 01:54 |
| mnaser | That way it won’t be flapping and if a project doesn’t release anything then it’ll just stay as is | 01:54 |
| mnaser | And usually I guess we have a fair amount of commits between releases to determine the current state so far in the cycle, and we can throw this in post | 01:55 |
| mnaser | (post pipeline of releases that is) | 01:55 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 02:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Technical Committee office hours: Tuesdays at 09:00 UTC, Wednesdays at 01:00 UTC, and Thursdays at 15:00 UTC | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/" | 02:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 02:00:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2018/tc.2018-06-06-01.00.html | 02:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2018/tc.2018-06-06-01.00.txt | 02:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2018/tc.2018-06-06-01.00.log.html | 02:00 |
| mnaser | Thanks for coming by fungi | 02:00 |
| fungi | better office hour than i had anticipated! | 02:00 |
| mnaser | ++ | 02:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Surya Prakash (spsurya) proposed openstack/governance master: Support Python 3.5 in Kolla https://review.openstack.org/557863 | 02:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Y. Choi proposed openstack/governance master: Update PTI around project doc translation and PDF https://review.openstack.org/572559 | 05:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | chenge proposed openstack/governance master: Amend the spelling error of a word https://review.openstack.org/572700 | 08:31 |
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| jaosorior | Hey folks, I remember there was a community goal for services to support live configuration updates. Anybody has a link to this? | 10:29 |
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| cmurphy | jaosorior: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/rocky/enable-mutable-configuration.html | 10:51 |
| jaosorior | thanks! | 10:52 |
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| jbryce | cdent fungi: there was no prior board discussion of platinum fees before the Vancouver meeting | 11:25 |
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| dims | o/ | 12:25 |
| fungi | thanks for confirming, jbryce! it did seem to be coming a bit out of left field | 12:45 |
| smcginnis | Or from the parking lot, depending on how your personal opinions of the matter. :) | 12:46 |
| mnaser | morning | 12:50 |
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| dims | so i heard the same argument a few times now from different folks, totally rubs me the wrong way ... that and the focus on "number of attendees" | 12:54 |
| zaneb | that part in the summary surprised me. I did not even have a laptop with me so I was not distracted by IRC, but I did not hear that comment. my reaction is the same as cdent's though | 12:56 |
| dims | i can confirm, i heard it | 12:56 |
| fungi | i'm uneasy enough about the fact that we sell a third of our board seats outright and raffle off another third. to have companies then complain that we charge too much for those definitely sticks in my craw | 12:59 |
| fungi | if we can't find enough companies willing to pay the going rate for seats, i'd rather see us open them up to member election than take the same hit to corporate membership intake by lowering the cost | 13:01 |
| fungi | i.e., if only 6 corporate members are willing to pay the us$500k/yr, then have 10 at-large elected seats rather than lowering the price of a platinum seat | 13:03 |
| dims | makes sense | 13:04 |
| fungi | i'd love to eventually see 12 (or better, 13) at-large elected seats out of 24 so that the elected board members can collectively achieve a 51% majority over the paid seats | 13:05 |
| * zaneb would love to see a much smaller board | 13:07 | |
| ttx | I would want to fix the cumulative election system first, though :) | 13:10 |
| ttx | STV would be good | 13:10 |
| zaneb | +1 | 13:10 |
| ttx | Pretty cool new users at OpenStack Day Budapest -- usual reminder that those local events are always refreshing and motivating | 13:11 |
| fungi | oh, right. some sort of ranked voting instead of proportional, for sure | 13:17 |
| fungi | we made so much progress with that several years back | 13:17 |
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| mnaser | i saw the event and was thinking of going last minute | 13:30 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Budapest was good? | 13:31 |
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| ttx | still going | 14:00 |
| ttx | Yes, nice venue, good crowd, lots of new and future users talking to us | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | Great! | 14:01 |
| dims | Awesome | 14:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: fix typos in queens goal completion messages https://review.openstack.org/572810 | 15:28 |
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| dhellmann | tc-members: we don't have a clear set of house rules for typo-fixes proposed by the chair, so please review ^^ | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Didn't someone else already propose that? | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I think we can just approve those kinds of things. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : did someone propose a follow-up? | 15:30 |
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| smcginnis | Oh, I see. You're following up on the other one. | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | someone proposed a few fixes, and another person left a -1 because they didn't fix everything | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:31 |
| ttx | I used two +2 rule for my own typo fxes | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | wfm | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | I'll propose a doc update for that | 15:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: document house-rule for chair-proposed typo fixes https://review.openstack.org/572811 | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Amend the spelling error of a word https://review.openstack.org/572700 | 15:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add Glance completion artifacts for Pike py35 goal https://review.openstack.org/571244 | 15:37 |
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