| zaneb | new working title is "Vision for OpenStack Clouds" unless persia can convince me the first thing really was a good idea :) | 00:06 |
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| * persia doesn't even try | 00:07 | |
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| dims | o/ | 12:42 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
| * fungi can smell another office hour about to erupt | 15:00 | |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:01 |
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| cdent | tc-members ! | 15:03 |
| zaneb | o/ | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | hello | 15:03 |
| mnaser | \o/ | 15:03 |
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| * dhellmann is finishing up another meeting | 15:06 | |
| lbragstad | \o | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:08 |
| cdent | I'm still sick/recovering. I haven't got much to add. | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | Quietest first 8 minutes of a Thursday office hour ever, not counting event weeks. | 15:08 |
| ttx | too many calls | 15:08 |
| mnaser | yeah ptg catch up time | 15:09 |
| mnaser | turns out work doesnt disappear when you arent doing it for a week | 15:09 |
| mnaser | :P | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: for realsies? | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | I certainly have wished for it | 15:09 |
| dims | o/ | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | mnaser: You haven't used ansible to automate all of your work yet? :) | 15:09 |
| mnaser | smcginnis: rolling reboots across clouds was the coolest and most terrifying thing i've yet automated | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Hah, indeed. | 15:10 |
| jroll | heh, can confirm | 15:10 |
| mnaser | it does live migrations, update, reboot, wait for it go back up, enable service | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: I am curious: managed by ansible, or let another tool decide your fate? | 15:11 |
| lbragstad | how complex was the error handling?! | 15:11 |
| mnaser | lbragstad: a lot of pre-flight validation | 15:11 |
| mnaser | and then "cya please come back in 600 seconds" | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | :) | 15:11 |
| mnaser | it ended up being pretty cool, we even silence our monitoring system as part of that whole process | 15:12 |
| lbragstad | nice | 15:12 |
| mnaser | but now placement is not being nice so i have to write an audit tool | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | TheJulia : do you want to +1 this patch to add tenks to Ironic? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/600411/ | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | I had this thing in one of my previous employers, but not at mnaser 's scale. It was still scary. | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | tc-members: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/599428/ is ready to approve now, in case you were waiting to cast your vote | 15:13 |
| mnaser | we have some hyperconverged ceph+compute deployments so it even does the whole noout/make sure the cluster is not on fire before rebooting | 15:13 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: TheJulia is at a training thing all this week so she might not be around | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | zaneb : ah, right, I knew that. It'll keep until she's back. | 15:13 |
| mnaser | ^ btw, that change is *really* cool. | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: that would be nice for openstack-ansible-ops :p | 15:13 |
| mnaser | i was going to +1 that but i got sucked into reading the specs | 15:13 |
| jroll | dhellmann: the ironic team hasn't discussed that one so I expect she won't ack it right now | 15:13 |
| mnaser | it's a super cool plan | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | (minus the proprietary bits) | 15:13 |
| jroll | (unless I missed it of course) | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | jroll : ok, thanks for the heads-up | 15:13 |
| jroll | np | 15:14 |
| mnaser | evrardjp: nothing proprietary here, but just need to take the time to upstream it and everything | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | is anyone else working on an update (blog, email, or otherwise) from our discussions at the ptg? | 15:16 |
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| mnaser | while i'd love to, i've got a few priority things on my list to get to :( | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | I've seen cdent's and lbragstad's; did I miss any? | 15:19 |
| cdent | i've seen a few other general ones, but not tc-related | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | I've been trying to read the others, too, but I was primarily asking about tc-related posts | 15:20 |
| fungi | my mailing list combining announcement is nearly polished, and should serve as a summary of that planning discussion. though i guess it took place in the infra room not the tc room | 15:22 |
| fungi | probably relevant to tc interests however | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | definitely | 15:22 |
| cdent | Is there a timeline on that yet fungi, even if very hand wavey. I'm kinda ready to take the leap. | 15:22 |
| fungi | yeah, it'll be specified in the announcement but basically subscribe any time between now and november 19 to avoid missing messages | 15:23 |
| cdent | cool, thanks | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | What is the new ml? | 15:23 |
| fungi | and messages to the old lists will be copied to the new one for two weeks after that so you can unsubscribe from them any time after the 19th | 15:23 |
| fungi | the old lists will stop accepting new posts on december 3 | 15:24 |
| cdent | all-the-mail-is-for-smciinnis@lists.openstack.org | 15:24 |
| cdent | damn, of all the times to have a typo | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | :P | 15:24 |
| fungi | http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-discuss | 15:24 |
| fungi | obviously the descriptions will be updated on the 19th when the list behavior changes | 15:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add openstack/ha-guide repo for Operations Guide team https://review.openstack.org/601321 | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add openstack/metalsmith to ironic https://review.openstack.org/602075 | 15:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I was looking at Storyboard vs. the Tracker, and we have deleted things from one and not the other | 15:27 |
| ttx | Like https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2002123 | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | cdent: :) | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, I'll go through storyboard and clean that up, too | 15:27 |
| ttx | I did close another I had on my list | 15:28 |
| ttx | (design tenets chapter to project team guide, marked completed | 15:28 |
| ttx | ) | 15:28 |
| ttx | TheJulia, fungi: we signed up to do a list of suggested questions to ask during health checks, for guidance... How should we track that ? | 15:31 |
| ttx | Should I create an item on the tracker, Storyboard or both ? | 15:31 |
| fungi | on sb wfm | 15:31 |
| * ttx has been hard at work trying to collect everything he signed up for last week | 15:31 | |
| fungi | yep, i already forgot i agreed to help with that one ;) | 15:32 |
| ttx | The etherpad does not lie, jeremy. | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | I'd love see where are those healthcheck questions, and maybe start discussing how to extend those :p | 15:32 |
| fungi | evrardjp: well, so far they're nowhere | 15:33 |
| fungi | unless you count the handful dhellmann stuck at the top of that wiki page | 15:33 |
| fungi | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_health_tracker | 15:33 |
| ttx | well, it now is a wiki, so anyone can play https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_health_tracker#Health_check_list | 15:34 |
| fungi | " should monitor their groups by... | 15:34 |
| ttx | I just converted into their own section, refresh | 15:34 |
| fungi | that was fast! | 15:34 |
| ttx | fungi, TheJulia: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003820 | 15:37 |
| fungi | awesome, thanks | 15:38 |
| ttx | otherwise i expect a bit of hiatus until the elections complete | 15:38 |
| fungi | yeah, catching up is a struggle | 15:39 |
| zaneb | fungi: any reason lists.openstack.org doesn't support https yet? | 15:39 |
| fungi | zaneb: um... because we haven't bought a cert for it | 15:39 |
| fungi | easy enough to add | 15:40 |
| fungi | well, and a minor spit of configuration management to add the necessary options and vhost templating for that | 15:40 |
| cdent | "bought"? | 15:40 |
| fungi | yes, we live in the ancient world of 2016 where certs still cost money | 15:41 |
| cdent | i'm sorry | 15:42 |
| zaneb | ha | 15:42 |
| fungi | the (separate) mailman 3 work i've been poking at will require https anyway so i was mostly planning to tackle it then | 15:44 |
| fungi | but if there's a strong interest from the community in switching it to https sooner, that's certainly possible | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | meh | 15:45 |
| fungi | note that with mailman 2 it still sends your site password to you via clear-text e-mail, so https isn't really a huge help | 15:46 |
| fungi | you'd basically be protecting access to your ml preferences from people who can mitm your http sessions but not the smtp to your mta | 15:47 |
| cdent | i don't want the man to know how often I go back and read fungi's postings | 15:48 |
| fungi | mm3 has a modern auth mechanism, so putting it behind https makes a lot more sense | 15:49 |
| fungi | cdent: sorry to say that if they sniff your archive browsing even encrypted via https they can probably tell which posts you're reading based on analyzing the payload sizes | 15:50 |
| fungi | you should use tor if you really care about that | 15:50 |
| * cdent shakes impotent fist | 15:51 | |
| fungi | pro tip: if you have an idempotent fist you can shake it as many times as you like | 15:52 |
| zaneb | rofl | 15:53 |
| * cdent facepalms | 15:53 | |
| evrardjp | I laughed too much on that one | 15:54 |
| dims | LOL | 16:00 |
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| * jbryce is late to the laugh track, but laughs out loud anyway | 18:05 | |
| persia | Silence having been broken: congrats to everyone on office hour being an hour: this is a big improvement over the recent thursdays :) | 18:06 |
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| mrhillsman | is there a template for resolutions? | 20:33 |
| fungi | mrhillsman: not that i'm aware of | 20:38 |
| mrhillsman | thanks | 20:38 |
| fungi | persia: sadly i think we have the post-ptg vegetative state to thank for our more-on-time-than-usual office hour | 20:38 |
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| dhellmann | tc-members: please provide your opinion about merging the tc mailing list with the others: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134924.html | 21:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | 322 votes in so far if anyone was curious :) | 22:02 |
| persia | For those watching: that number represents just over 20% of the folk who helped release Rocky. TC members and hopefuls are encouraged to turn up their get-out-the-vote campaigns if they want a solid mandate for their platforms. | 22:05 |
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