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| asettle | fungi, - my bad | 08:59 |
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| asettle | diablo_rojo_phon, YOU DIDNT EVEN WAIT FOR ME TO VOTE ON MY BOO'S OFFICIAL REVIEW | 09:00 |
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| gmann | zaneb: asettle evrardjp i replied on stable policy tag re-adding process. https://review.opendev.org/#/c/655984/ | 09:34 |
| gmann | as per tonyb on trove's removal tag review, tag is applicable for all current stable branches not per branch so we cannot allow team to remove and re-add tag at any time - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/652084/ | 09:34 |
| gmann | when any project requesting application to remove the stable policy tag then, they need to know the side effect of that on user and especially when they can re-add the tag. | 09:36 |
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| gmann | other option is to define this tag per stable branch which is kind of redefining the tag. as per current definition of tag, re-adding process is missing in our doc. | 09:39 |
| asettle | gmann, thanks! | 09:41 |
| asettle | Reviewing now | 09:41 |
| gmann | asettle: thanks | 09:42 |
| evrardjp | gmann: I think my comment was not really understood | 09:43 |
| evrardjp | I meant we should express the fact why in the text :) | 09:43 |
| evrardjp | ppl need to understand this tag applies to all branches | 09:44 |
| evrardjp | and the impact on stable teams | 09:44 |
| evrardjp | but maybe I didn't catch your comment. Will re-read :) | 09:44 |
| gmann | evrardjp: got it. I am on to adding the 'why'. | 09:44 |
| gmann | got a internal meeting. will check in an hour. | 09:45 |
| evrardjp | gmann: thanks :) | 09:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ivan Kolodyazhny proposed openstack/governance master: Retire xstatic-vis and xstatic-angular-ui-router projects https://review.opendev.org/656686 | 12:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Adding Image Encryption as a popup team https://review.opendev.org/661983 | 14:38 |
| mnaser | o/ | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Fix broken url links https://review.opendev.org/660906 | 14:52 |
| asettle | o/ | 14:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add Python3 update goal for Train https://review.opendev.org/657908 | 14:57 |
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| mnaser | evrardjp, lbragstad and tc-members: we've merged our goals for T. I think it's time we communicate them | 17:23 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: i found this really interesting conversation happening inside the cncf toc -- https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/topic/31955198 something interesting to just read and see how other communities deal with issues | 17:33 |
| fungi | i find it especially interesting that for a project to apply to become part of the cncf they need sponsors to vouch for them before they can even be considered | 17:35 |
| fungi | as for gh stars, yes a quick web search turns up services who are happy to sell you however many stars you want | 17:38 |
| mnaser | i kinda felt it was a bit odd of the direction that seemed much more on the offense than "this could simply be something someone didn't know" | 17:38 |
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| fungi | also i would find it distasteful for our community to refer to any open source project, whether it's connected with us or not, a "shitshow" (as that discussion topic is doing) | 17:46 |
| fungi | s/distasteful/shameful/ | 17:47 |
| fungi | but *especially* for something like that to come from a community leader | 17:48 |
| mnaser | yes, that was a bit of a shock to me too .. i'd imagine there's other ways to represnet it | 17:50 |
| smcginnis | I am glad to see some folks there calling into question the value of GitHub stars. | 17:52 |
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| zaneb | fungi: re the sponsor thing, I'm not certain that isn't the case (at least in practice) for top-level OSF projects also? | 18:08 |
| zaneb | the GH stars thing is messed up though | 18:08 |
| fungi | zaneb: yeah, i guess it depends on what layer you're looking at. if you're considering lf as the equivalent of osf and cncf as just a "fund" (that's what their governing documentation technically refers to those mini-foundations as) | 18:11 |
| fungi | then the fund leadership could be seen as equivalent to the openstack tc in thaht scenario | 18:12 |
| zaneb | right, yeah, that is another way of looking at it | 18:12 |
| fungi | so kubernetes~=nova, cncf~=openstack, lf~=oft | 18:13 |
| fungi | s/oft/osf/ | 18:13 |
| zaneb | neither way of looking at it is an exact analogy, for a variety of reasons | 18:14 |
| fungi | sure | 18:15 |
| clarkb | also I'm not sure you need a sponsor for top level osf projects? | 18:17 |
| clarkb | unless monty and jim count as sponsors for zuul | 18:17 |
| fungi | one of them is technically on the osf bod | 18:17 |
| fungi | but i don't recall where in the bylaws it says anything about a sponsor in any existing governing body | 18:18 |
| clarkb | right but neither are showing up with a pile of cash saying we sponsor this project | 18:18 |
| fungi | oh, "sponsor" in this case i thought just meant you needed two members of the cncf toc to vouch for the new project | 18:18 |
| clarkb | oh not sponsor in the way I was thinking then | 18:20 |
| zaneb | monty and jim were both employed by a platinum member of the foundation last time I checked | 18:22 |
| zaneb | I meant sponsor=cash | 18:22 |
| fungi | pretty sure we also haven't said pilot projects need to come with funding? | 18:23 |
| fungi | but reviewing bylaws to be sure | 18:23 |
| clarkb | ya I always read "sponsor" in the sporting term. eg pay money to make the thing viable | 18:23 |
| fungi | i didn't find anything in the latest osf bylaws. also the confirmation guidelines don't seem to require it either: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines | 18:26 |
| fungi | and i vaguely recall discussions with the osf executive leadership where it was mentioned that securing a separate source of funding shouldn't be a condition of applying or confirmation | 18:27 |
| fungi | but it's possible i dreamt that | 18:28 |
| smcginnis | fungi: I think you are right, though I can't recall where that came from either. | 18:35 |
| smcginnis | In practice, new top level OSF projects come from Jonathan and team working directly recruiting or bringing on interested projects. | 18:36 |
| smcginnis | Zuul is a bit of a snowflake there. Or at least will be once the sample size is larger. | 18:36 |
| fungi | yes, it's entirely possible it's a de facto requirement for a pilot project while not actually recorded in any governance documents | 18:42 |
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| fungi | though i suspect that if an interesting project approached the osf without its own baked-in funding source, it wouldn't be turned away exclusively on that basis | 18:43 |
| smcginnis | I agree. | 18:43 |
| smcginnis | At the risk of being inflammatory, my experience with LF has been things are very pay to play. | 18:44 |
| fungi | i've always done my best to assume my impression of that being the case is in error | 18:45 |
| fungi | and hope that their real goal is to increase the reach of software freedom and the ways in which society can benefit from it | 18:47 |
| fungi | and not just to make money | 18:47 |
| persia | To be fair, that's not about LF directly. It's about many of the LF programmes. There exist programmes that separate funding sources from technical leadership, and other programmes where technical direction is given to purpose-contracted developers by a board where board seats are decided by funding. | 18:50 |
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