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| njohnston | o/ | 04:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiu Fossen proposed openstack/governance master: Switch to Ussuri jobs https://review.opendev.org/689978 | 06:36 |
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| ttx | Started the draft of the TC response re: Airship, based on the Zuul team feedback: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Y5RwcEVvYb | 08:48 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 08:49 |
| * ttx looks up status of Ironic integration | 08:51 | |
| njohnston | o/ | 08:51 |
| * njohnston is in the Czech Republic so this is an easy set of office hours this week | 08:52 | |
| ricolin | ttx one question, usually they will have TCs and WCs before they official project? Or other way around? | 08:52 |
| ricolin | */they/they are/ | 08:53 |
| ttx | ricolin: they already have a TC and WC as a pilot project | 08:53 |
| ttx | (we ask that the governance is fully set up before they can be confirmed) | 08:53 |
| ricolin | they need to add more info in governance repo like TC member list, etc. | 08:55 |
| ricolin | https://opendev.org/airship/governance | 08:56 |
| ttx | yeah | 08:57 |
| ttx | good point to add | 08:57 |
| ttx | (I'm working to summarize each right now) | 08:57 |
| ttx | ricolin: by "governance doc needs more work", do you have other examples, beyond missing the member list? | 09:02 |
| asettle | o/ | 09:04 |
| ricolin | ttx was also referring to what you just put in `who get to decides on what` also detail on hosting meetings and members/Chair responsibility | 09:05 |
| ttx | ok | 09:05 |
| njohnston | probably a method to target communication specifically the TC or WC; all the listed communication methods are for the whole community; the equivalent of "att [tc] to subject line of email" in the OpenStack context | 09:05 |
| ttx | asettle: feel free to jump in and correct my prose | 09:05 |
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| asettle | Ha! ttx I'll have a lookie shortly :D | 09:16 |
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| ttx | OK I think I captured everything... ricolin asettle njohnston feel free to correct etherpad | 09:21 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Y5RwcEVvYb | 09:21 |
| njohnston | thanks ttx | 09:21 |
| * ricolin looking:) | 09:21 | |
| ttx | I tried to start every paragraph on a positive note to counterbalance the pointy remarks | 09:22 |
| ttx | (I think the feedback was mostly positive but if you only mention the few misses it can look too negative) | 09:22 |
| ttx | ricolin: they have TC/WC member list on the wiki | 09:24 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Airship/Airship-TC https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Airship/Airship-WC | 09:25 |
| ricolin | that's nice, so maybe just ask them to add those links to governance repo?:) | 09:26 |
| ttx | yeah, I just fixed the text in the etherpad | 09:26 |
| ricolin | I see also Meeting Logistics is there too | 09:26 |
| ricolin | ttx looks great to me! thanks ttx | 09:30 |
| ricolin | thanks fungi!:) | 09:30 |
| ttx | ricolin: probably better if you send it as TC co-chair, if you're comfortable with that | 09:31 |
| ttx | Maybe let asettle wordsmith it a bit :) | 09:31 |
| ricolin | ttx sure | 09:31 |
| asettle | ttx, doing so now. I got distracted trying to get some work travel booked | 09:31 |
| ttx | Good work everyone... I know it was unusually short notice | 09:33 |
| njohnston | ttx: looks good to me | 09:33 |
| ttx | (which I tried to passive-aggressively mention in the draft) | 09:33 |
| ttx | (but asettle must have found it too passive-aggressive and removed it) | 09:34 |
| asettle | Hahahha sorry | 09:34 |
| asettle | I was thinking of re-adding, differently | 09:35 |
| ttx | asettle: yeah I wanted the board to understand that next time having a bit more time would be better. | 09:35 |
| asettle | Completely agree. Seems rushed :/ | 09:35 |
| ttx | Like " ok for today but please don;t do it again" | 09:36 |
| asettle | Mine is a bit more... aggressive | 09:36 |
| asettle | Hahahaha | 09:36 |
| ttx | haha yeah | 09:36 |
| asettle | Keep it or smooth it uot? | 09:37 |
| asettle | out* | 09:37 |
| asettle | I just feel like it should be said out loud, really | 09:37 |
| ttx | beh your call. | 09:38 |
| asettle | Can I have 5 mins to think on it before I shoot us all in the foot? | 09:38 |
| ttx | maybe it would feel less aggressive without the "provided by the board" | 09:38 |
| asettle | Good call. | 09:38 |
| ttx | I mean, I know Alan had other things on his mind and that played a part in the short notice | 09:38 |
| asettle | Ahhh yeah I think Alan may have been a tid bit busy | 09:39 |
| asettle | So probs a bit snarky on my behalf | 09:39 |
| asettle | Even though technically I'm in the same boat... | 09:39 |
| ttx | unfortunate -> unusually ? | 09:39 |
| ttx | Like " don't make it the usual thing" | 09:39 |
| asettle | Yes, much better | 09:40 |
| ttx | lgtm | 09:42 |
| asettle | Ship it | 09:42 |
| ttx | ricolin: good to go! | 09:43 |
| asettle | \o/ | 09:43 |
| ricolin | ttx ok | 10:02 |
| ricolin | asettle, do you know what's SUSE's plan in Airship community? | 10:03 |
| ricolin | ttx, asettle njohnston http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2019-October/002802.html | 10:06 |
| ricolin | done:) | 10:07 |
| asettle | ricolin, um, nothing. SUSE has ceased all active development on SUSE OpenStack Cloud | 10:12 |
| asettle | So I'd imagine that's also the same for Airship. If individuals want to continue to contribute, that is encouraged. | 10:13 |
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| smcginnis | FWIW, the board didn't get much notice on the Airship vote either. | 11:20 |
| smcginnis | If it feels too rushed, we can always raise that and push for it to be deferred. Though I think the feedback collected looks great. | 11:21 |
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| ttx | yes, not sure more time would have unearthed anything more | 12:04 |
| jroll | the feedback looks great to me as well :) | 12:14 |
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| gmann | dhellmann: fungi diablo_rojo_phon : nice idea. did we finalize the statement ? along with ussuri on py3 we can include the Train last release on py2.7 as fungi suggested. this will be clear of saying what is happening with py2 support it is co-supported with py3 or dropped. | 12:48 |
| gmann | who is target audience for slide ? accordingly i can prepare the content of wiki or TC doc. a brief info or more technical plan as in - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/drop-python2-support | 12:50 |
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| fungi | gmann: space is limited so probably best to focus on ussuri being py3-only and not try to cram in things about train being the last release to support py2 | 13:25 |
| fungi | target audience is anyone at the conference. this is going in a slide deck which repeats in public areas and maybe between presentations on the projectors too | 13:26 |
| gmann | fungi: ok. | 13:26 |
| gmann | how much detail content we need ? or just a headline is enough. I was thinking to publish the schedule if we finalize the same in 24th Office hour | 13:28 |
| gmann | especially for projects, developers and anyone using master on production/testing etc | 13:29 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: board call in 9 minutes, if i didn't completely screw up the time (again) | 13:51 |
| asettle | My team meeting :( thanks for the reminder though mnaser | 13:52 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Sounds right to me. I will be late, but will attend. | 13:52 |
| mugsie | I will attend for the first bit - | 13:53 |
| mugsie | have a conflict in at half past | 13:53 |
| mnaser | FYI https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/22October2019BoardMeeting | 13:58 |
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| fungi | as usual, side-channel discussions are in #openstack-board | 14:06 |
| ricolin | attending | 14:10 |
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| jungleboyj | Finally on. :-) | 14:43 |
| fungi | just in time for the governance part of the presentation | 14:45 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:56 |
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| smcginnis | Any questions or concerns anyone would like me to raise in the board meeting? | 15:14 |
| fungi | clearly there were concerns over the accelerated pace of the feedback period, but i'm not aware of any other significant worries | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, some good things raised in the feedback collected, but unless someone thinks otherwise, I didn't think anything else worth raising as an issue here. | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | I do hope to mention something about the timing allowed though. | 15:16 |
| gmann | tc-members: ussuri cycle goal candidate 1 feedback/discussion is open: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-October/010287.html | 15:16 |
| asettle | Thanks gmann | 15:16 |
| gmann | thanks diablo_rojo for stepping up for champion. | 15:17 |
| gmann | other proposed ideas needs volunteer for champion so i am going to ask for the same in ML. | 15:18 |
| jbryce | smcginnis: that was my pretty much my fault for missing that step until later in the process once we moved it to this board meeting | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | I guess you'll have to buy everyone a drink in Shanghai jbryce. :) | 15:20 |
| jbryce | i accept your sentence | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 15:21 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:21 |
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| TheJulia | ttx: I feel like a rest API could be designed around hat juggling | 15:40 |
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| ttx | GET /v1.0/randomize_hat | 15:46 |
| * TheJulia sends it HTTP/1.0 because it is faster to manually type out such a request | 15:49 | |
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| ttx | tc-members: so I have a last-minute thing on the Monday night we planned our dinner on... Would y'all be open to moving it to Tuesday, assuming the restaurant is OK with that ? | 16:30 |
| zaneb | wfm | 16:30 |
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| ricolin | works for me too | 16:30 |
| ttx | maybe add your response to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-TC-PTG | 16:31 |
| gmann | wfm. team dinners are not yet planned to ok. | 16:32 |
| ttx | ricolin: maybe you can call the restaurant tomorrow if we have enough people OK with the move | 16:32 |
| gmann | to/so | 16:32 |
| ttx | diablo_rojo: I think you prefer Tuesday too ^ | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | ttx: I won't be able to make it on Tuesday but if it works for the majority go for it. | 16:36 |
| ttx | hmm... Wednesday then? | 16:36 |
| ttx | I have all days OK except Monday ;/ | 16:37 |
| ttx | jungleboyj: would Wednesday work better for you? | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | ttx: Yeah, I don't have any commitments yet. We are targeting Thursday for Cinder dinner. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | ttx: Tuesday I have meetings/dinner to get US and Shanghai Lenovo teams together. | 16:38 |
| ttx | tc-members: please note down on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-TC-PTG if you would be OK with moving TC dinner to Tuesday or Wednesday, as some of us are doublebooked on Monday | 16:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Whatever days the marketplace mixer isnt I am free. | 16:48 |
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| ricolin | ttx will do | 17:47 |
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| smcginnis | I'm sure it's been out there forever, but just ran across https://helpwanted.apache.org/ and thought it was interesting in relation to our "help wanted" efforts. | 18:59 |
| smcginnis | I wonder how well it was worked for them. | 18:59 |
| fungi | this seems similar to the "choose your own adventure" interface idea for the new contributor portal | 19:01 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, kind of a guide through all the different options. | 19:02 |
| smcginnis | Doesn't look like it's too actively maintained. I found two python development help wanted entries, one from 2016 and one from 2017. | 19:02 |
| smcginnis | Only the 2017 one linked to a feature request bug - which has long since been closed. | 19:03 |
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