Wednesday, 2019-10-23

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gmannTC office hour..01:03
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add documentation owners investment opportunity for 2019  https://review.opendev.org/68148005:10
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add Goal Champions investment opportunity for 2019  https://review.opendev.org/68098505:11
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add community infra investment opportunity for 2019  https://review.opendev.org/68126005:19
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Post TC-election info-sheet  https://review.opendev.org/68343205:22
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add ``charm-neutron-api-plugin-ovn`` charm  https://review.opendev.org/68792605:36
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ttxmugsie, evrardjp_ : would you be OK with moving the TC dinner from Monday to Tuesday or Wednesday ? Please answer to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-TC-PTG08:08
ttxzaneb: We know you're OK for Tuesday... Would you be OK for Wednesday ? jungleboyj can't make Tuesday08:09
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openstackgerritArne Wiebalck proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Add new chairs for the Baremetal SIG  https://review.opendev.org/69051909:04
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mugsiettx: voted - I am OK with it10:03
mugsieeither*10:03
ttxthx10:04
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ttxzaneb, evrardjp_ ?14:46
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jungleboyjttx:  Like I said, if I am the one outlier it isn't a big deal.14:57
ttxThere might be some kind of RDO party in the works for Wednesday.15:02
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gmanntc-members: we got the volunteer to Champion the zuulv3 migration goal. thanks to tosky for volunteer.17:26
gmannML thread is already started to get the initial feedback.17:26
ricolinthat's great news! thanks tosky!17:26
gmannout of three goal proposal, we have two proposal with champion and ready to start the discussion. diablo_rojo and tosky will be defining the goal with more details in gerrit goal/proposed/ folder17:29
diablo_rojoYep! Its on my todo list.17:31
diablo_rojoWas giving people a little while to reply on the thread before I got started but its been crickets out there17:32
gmann+117:36
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toskylet's see what I can produce :)17:48
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gmanntc-members: we have not updated the ussuri template on projects side and they are still running the train template (openstack-python3-train-jobs). is release bot automation ready or we should do manual update like we did in train and finish the automation of those for V ?18:14
ricolinGot same question too, I saw some manual patches like https://review.opendev.org/#/c/689978/ around already. will be nice if we can do it automatically18:17
zanebgmann: I think evrardjp_ is working on it18:17
zanebAIUI the plan is to propose the automatically some time during U18:18
zanebmugsie mentioned that things got held up because https://review.opendev.org/685453 didn't exist yet, but it does now18:19
gmannzaneb: ok. because as part of py2.7 drop one of the option of smooth migration is updating the ussuri template to include the pep8 job (L61) -https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/drop-python2-support18:19
gmannand if we have ussuri template running on project side will help that18:20
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gmannbecause we cannot change the "openstack-python-jobs" template to drop the py2.7 job as this is sued by stable branches and might required by projects who want to keep py27 support.18:21
gmann*used18:21
zanebyep, I think that was me that suggested just adding the pep8 job to that template18:21
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gmann+1, thanks18:22
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zanebso once that merges we can tell people that they can drop the python-openstack-jobs but they must make sure they've updated from train->ussuri python3 jobs as well if nothing else has done it for them18:27
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gmannyeah. along with that other suggestion and plan (for py2.7 integration jobs etc )after finalizing tomorrow, we can compose a consolidated goal with all those what to do, what not to do (at least clear guidelines).18:34
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evrardjp_ttx: sorry I was away. Far away from a computer. For dinner, anything goes, I will make myself available.22:16
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evrardjp_zaneb: the plan is to make sure a new release automatically proposes the move to new template in the master branch. However, it means that release names and a few other stuff have to happen before this step. We didn't get the chance to do it on time for ussuri (the current master). I didn't tackle this further.22:19
zanebevrardjp_: any reason we can't just run it now?22:19
evrardjp_this is a release proposal bot, so it has some kind of assumptions of when it runs22:20
evrardjp_however it was a simple sed.22:20
evrardjp_I assumed we can just run the equivalent shell script in all projects super simply22:20
evrardjp_assume*22:20
zanebI think coreycb had some scripts in the goals repo for doing that22:21
evrardjp_"Run this to migrate your jobs for ussuri. In the future, a proposal bot will do that for you"22:21
zaneb(note that it won't always be a simple sed, though it is this time)22:21
evrardjp_it's about midnight and I am jetlagged as hell... Could you explain why it wouldn't always be a simple sed?22:22
evrardjp_Because the content of the template is us to decide, so I would expect teams then decide what to do with it22:22
evrardjp_(and not the tc)22:22
zanebif we add new versions of python then we'll also need to update tox.ini, setup.cfg22:22
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zanebso I guess several simple seds22:23
evrardjp_indeed22:23
zaneba complex sed, if you will22:23
evrardjp_I am not sure which approach I took on this script but we can surely iterate22:23
coreycbzaneb: btw we're getting a backport of python3.8 to bionic. is it too late to add that to ussuri supported pythons?22:23
coreycbit's going to be the default for 20.0422:24
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evrardjp_coreycb: I think that would be out of policy, but policy can be changed.22:25
evrardjp_I am sorry I missed the tc feedback for Airship. Great that you all worked it out :) Good team!22:26
evrardjp_It seems I have caught up the pings, tomorrow I will tackle the rest. Thanks team!22:29
coreycbevrardjp_: yeah I'm afraid of that. have a good night.22:31
evrardjp_coreycb: you shouldn't be afraid of that22:31
evrardjp_it's fine to change this22:32
evrardjp_we just have to understand how this would work out :)22:32
evrardjp_(because we can't plan things like that in the future I guess)22:32
evrardjp_coreycb: however if at the same time, everyone pushes code to remove py2.7 I wouldn't expect ppl to use the latest and greatest of 3.8 yet. But I might be wrong.22:33
fungiyou could argue that with 3.8 available in bionic, which is a target platform for ussuri, it's a reasonable interpreter to include22:34
evrardjp_coreycb: if you want to change the PTI to, for example, adding the latest released python, I wouldn't mind22:34
gmannzaneb: evrardjp_ ok. I am going to do it ussuri template update as part of py2 drop patches and in V it can be part of release bot.22:34
evrardjp_but that's me personally22:34
fungigranted python 3.8 wasn't even released until after the start of the ussuri development cycle22:34
fungiso that's an aggressive support timeline (not that i'd oppose it)22:35
evrardjp_gmann: that sounds great! it might be worth syncing on how you do it, so we can include this in the releasing22:35
evrardjp_fungi: I think we think alike here.22:35
coreycbfrom our end we'll be supporting ussuri on 3.8 for 5 years22:36
coreycbOn 20.04 that is22:36
evrardjp_I should go to sleep now. My brain says I should, my body doesn't :p22:36
evrardjp_I will read you all tomorrow.22:36
evrardjp_y'all*22:36
evrardjp_haha22:36
evrardjp_(not the whole scrollback!)22:36
coreycb:) I'll revisit tomorrow as well22:36
evrardjp_coreycb: that's awesome22:37
evrardjp_but also scary for the future :p22:37
evrardjp_5 years22:37
fungicoreycb: just making sure (i expect you already are), but recall that ussuri won't even release until roughly a month after ubuntu 20.0422:37
fungi...on the topic of aggressive support timelines22:38
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fungiis the plan to include a ussuri snapshot in 20.04, or to backport openstack ussuri to 20.04?22:38
coreycbfungi: yeah... that is something we need to figure out22:38
fungiahh, okay. as long as you're aware ;)22:38
fungiyou know the inner workings there far better than i22:39
coreycbfungi: not sure yet. just taking a post train breath. :)22:39
fungiyou're not the only one! ;)22:39
coreycbfungi: lol I'm sure a lot of us feel that way22:40
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