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| evrardjp | gmann: thanks for highlighting the issue. | 07:39 |
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| evrardjp | I have answered there. I will get the ball running there. | 07:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add xstatic-* projects for vitrage-dashboard https://review.opendev.org/709211 | 13:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Update TC size https://review.opendev.org/720471 | 13:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Retire OSA repo_build and pip_install projects https://review.opendev.org/717832 | 13:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Update wording on tc roster https://review.opendev.org/720477 | 13:27 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 13:40 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:40 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:01 |
| knikolla | o/ | 14:03 |
| evrardjp | so many folks! | 14:04 |
| evrardjp | awesome! | 14:04 |
| evrardjp | :) | 14:04 |
| njohnston | Is the second half of the board meeting happening now? Maybe some people are watching that. | 14:05 |
| mnaser | tc-members and other interested members of the community, we're holding a strategy session witin the board here -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/14April2020BoardMeeting | 14:06 |
| jungleboyj | Doh. In another meeting. Will join if the meeting wraps up. | 14:08 |
| knikolla | same, i'm stuck in another meeting. | 14:10 |
| fungi | they're still just on rollcall for now | 14:10 |
| * njohnston is quadruple booked right now and is listening in to 2 sets of headphones even w/o being on the board meeting :-( | 14:11 | |
| knikolla | it feels like all i do these days is zoom/bluejeans meetings, and washing of dishes. | 14:14 |
| jungleboyj | knikolla: ++ and helping kids figure out how to do school. | 14:14 |
| evrardjp | As usual, I can't join those. | 14:15 |
| evrardjp | though this time, it's a technicality, not a timing issue! | 14:15 |
| evrardjp | Tell me how it was! :) | 14:16 |
| gmann | ironic discussion going on.. | 14:16 |
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| mnaser | yoctozepto: thanks for your review :) | 14:26 |
| evrardjp | gmann: interesting | 14:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Yay, I am on now. | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Update Reference with Victoria Election Results https://review.opendev.org/720109 | 14:45 |
| yoctozepto | mnaser: thanks, you have some valid points and I agree with some of them too; replied now | 14:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Update wording on tc roster https://review.opendev.org/720477 | 14:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Update TC size https://review.opendev.org/720471 | 15:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Remove projects' TC liaisons https://review.opendev.org/720190 | 15:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: Cleanup py27 support https://review.opendev.org/719348 | 15:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update Reference with Victoria Election Results https://review.opendev.org/720109 | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | Official congratulations to our new tc-members! ^ | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | If you haven't seen it, you should already have the new Rollcall rights | 15:14 |
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| jungleboyj | Yay! | 15:14 |
| * ttx removes himself from the tc-members highlight | 15:16 | |
| mugsie | :( | 15:16 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 15:16 |
| ttx | don;t be sad! Just say my name thrice and I'll appear | 15:16 |
| * mugsie writes a bot to send any tc members highlight to ttx as well :) | 15:16 | |
| gmann | in that case, you can register one more nick name then tttx (special ping) :).. | 15:18 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | ttx: beetlethierry, beetlethierry, beetlethierry! | 15:19 |
| ttx | ยค | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | ttx: you definitely need to be careful about what you wish for. | 15:20 |
| fungi | hasttxur | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | fungi: consider me rightfully scared. | 15:20 |
| mnaser | so i threw up a review for my first (not-so-wild-but-wild-in-openstack-world) idea is getting container images | 15:23 |
| mnaser | i'd appreciate reviews on that. | 15:24 |
| mnaser | happy to talk over it during office hours too | 15:24 |
| jungleboyj | Blasphemy! ;-) | 15:24 |
| mnaser | i mean, it's hard to me that we have to do so much to drive such a simple thing | 15:25 |
| mnaser | always makes me remember what ttx says about how much process we have | 15:25 |
| mnaser | i was looking at some of my old commits | 15:25 |
| mnaser | something that put this to me in perspective was | 15:26 |
| mnaser | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/7605/ -- 8 years ago, i merged an actual change/addition to the nova API that was done in 2-3 days | 15:26 |
| mnaser | and this was way pre-hype too, we need to get back to that world of move fast and move quick | 15:26 |
| ttx | bad systems/humans ratio | 15:26 |
| fungi | well, also all the software got bigger and more complicated | 15:27 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Good point. And all the process and politics takes some of the fun out of it. | 15:27 |
| fungi | 8 years ago lots of people could hold a good percentage of nova's codebase in their head and be able to review changes for it with less effort | 15:28 |
| mnaser | and maybe that's what our mistake is, we need to find ways to let us be able to move fast still | 15:28 |
| fungi | making it possible to get changes into nova in a few days again might also depend on shrinking nova's codebase and featureset back to the size it was 8 years ago | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Shrinking nova's codebase sounds like a great goal. | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | s/nova/openstack projects/g | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | mnaser: How does this container proposal relate to LOCI and kolla? | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: +1 | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | in fact I would prefer saying +9001 | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Just don't say ISO9001. | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | (that's an over 9 thousand proposition) | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | hahahah I see you get that double joke :) | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | You've been in corporate land too much too. | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | Truth | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | It's a joke made with good quality! | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | :p | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | So bad. :D | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: We've probably confused some people. But they should be thankful they don't understand. | 15:34 |
| fungi | i'm sad to admit that i was not confused | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | hahah | 15:35 |
| spotz | Ugh who brought up ISO9001!:) | 15:35 |
| knikolla | some quick duckduckgo-ing cleared that up | 15:35 |
| jungleboyj | evrardjp: "sad_trombone.wav" | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | I am all happy to simplify our processes | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | is there a process for it? | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | :p | 15:36 |
| fungi | just don't say iso27001 or i'll get flashbacks | 15:36 |
| gmann | tc-members: what is plan for leaderless projects appointment. should we hold a adhoc meeting or some specific time to discuss those? | 15:36 |
| gmann | because its release, PTG time so we should fill their PTL position asap. | 15:37 |
| gmann | or whatever action we decide for those | 15:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update TC size https://review.opendev.org/720471 | 15:38 |
| gmann | IMO, adhoc meeting is much speedy way to do | 15:38 |
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| fungi | yesterday is basically when the elected ptls would have been announced if there had been any contested elections, so this isn't too far behind schedule yet | 15:38 |
| jungleboyj | Adhoc meeting sounds good. | 15:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Remove projects' TC liaisons https://review.opendev.org/720190 | 15:39 |
| clarkb | don't forget that 8 years ago you could run an entire openstack cloud (with swift and a cirros vm) in under a gigabyte of memory. API changes broke end users every other week. Upgrades were almost impossible. There was very little testing. Etc | 15:41 |
| clarkb | I think a lot of the change since then has been very positive particularly for end users | 15:41 |
| clarkb | but that makes landing changes in code bases a slower more measured process | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | gmann: yes, now that the TC is elected, we can select a chair and then vote on proposals. | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | I will be sending a ML email over that | 15:42 |
| gmann | evrardjp: sounds good. thanks | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | if any of the tc-members is interested by running, it can be done by proposing a simple patch to members | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | if you have any questions please do. | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | I suggest we move fast. | 15:43 |
| gmann | true | 15:43 |
| mugsie | how do I propose a patch? | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | I won't be running. | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | mugsie: :) | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | Just edit reference/members.yaml, and add "Chair:" in role, like: | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681285/ | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | gmann: in the meantime, people can probably vote on the proposal and start discussing it. | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | It's just that the chair should be handling the +w :) | 15:45 |
| gmann | ok | 15:46 |
| evrardjp | gmann: do you think there are some that are more worrysome than others? | 15:46 |
| gmann | knikolla: belmoreira : this is etherpad for that - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/victoria-leaderless | 15:47 |
| evrardjp | if there are things that need discussing live, then a meeting is indeed what we should do | 15:47 |
| knikolla | gmann: thanks! | 15:48 |
| gmann | one thing is how to handle the two late candidacy for Tacker. | 15:48 |
| gmann | and the other PTL appointment patches to merge where we have single candidate. | 15:49 |
| knikolla | gmann: is there a precedent for two late candidacies? | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | gmann: yeah on the merge, I think we should encourage all the new tc members to vote on those appointments | 15:50 |
| evrardjp | s/new// | 15:50 |
| gmann | these are to vote if not done: | 15:50 |
| gmann | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/717340/ | 15:50 |
| gmann | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/717333/ | 15:50 |
| gmann | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/717334/ | 15:50 |
| gmann | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718655/ | 15:51 |
| gmann | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/717346/ | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/governance-website master: Cleanup docs building https://review.opendev.org/720525 | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | maybe we should just give the dashboard :) | 15:51 |
| knikolla | https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:formal-vote+(status:open+OR+status:merged)+ptl | 15:51 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:52 |
| gmann | this is just open one - https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:formal-vote+status:open+ptl | 15:52 |
| evrardjp | knikolla: it's not enough there are other things like https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718933/2 | 15:52 |
| gmann | evrardjp: yeah it is for Appointing PTL to do asap | 15:52 |
| gmann | but yes other open things to keep review | 15:53 |
| evrardjp | tc-members, if you don't have a governance dashboard in your gerrit, I am using this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/792239/ | 15:53 |
| knikolla | evrardjp: thanks! bookmarked | 15:54 |
| evrardjp | gmann: happy to have a meeting over Tacker, or any negative rollcall we might have | 15:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/governance-website master: Cleanup docs building https://review.opendev.org/720525 | 15:55 |
| evrardjp | (in the case we want to have option 5 instead of the propose option) | 15:55 |
| evrardjp | knikolla: yeah sorry it's maybe not a full link, but at least that goes into your gerrit config, and should do the trick | 15:55 |
| evrardjp | depends on how you do it I guess | 15:55 |
| gmann | evrardjp: yeah, at least find some direction or next step to conclude the option (5 or so). | 15:56 |
| gmann | sometime in early next week ? | 15:57 |
| gmann | If you want or i can send the doodle vote to find best timing. | 15:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Fold LOCI into OpenStack-Helm https://review.opendev.org/718933 | 15:58 |
| jungleboyj | evrardjp: Thank you! Bookmarked for me too. | 15:58 |
| evrardjp | gmann: could you send the doodle? That would be amazing | 15:58 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: ++ | 15:59 |
| gmann | evrardjp: sure. | 15:59 |
| evrardjp | sorry I am just in between two meetings, and I would love a little extra bandwidth that you are so kindly offering :D | 15:59 |
| gmann | i can do while watching my nova FFE patches stuck on gate since yesterday :) | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | The LOCI patch was conflicting because of the liaisons cleanup we just merged. So I rebased it. For the existing voters, please revote. | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | gmann: so much sadness encompassed in that sentence | 16:01 |
| openstackgerrit | James Page proposed openstack/governance master: Add TrilioVault Charms to OpenStack Charms https://review.opendev.org/720533 | 16:01 |
| mnaser | smcginnis, evrardjp: i left a comment in there relating to it, loci is largely unmaintained and has a special way of doing things (aka a requirements middle image layer, which means it isn't very useful on its own, kolla creates "system containers" with multiple services inside the same container) | 16:13 |
| fungi | possible this could be "loci v2" then? | 16:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: Add nomination for TC chair https://review.opendev.org/720545 | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | fungi: ++ | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/governance master: Migrate from olso.rootwrap to oslo.privsep https://review.opendev.org/718177 | 16:23 |
| evrardjp | fungi: or dloci | 16:27 |
| evrardjp | distributed loci | 16:27 |
| fungi | loci-ng | 16:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Add mugsie nomination for TC Chair https://review.opendev.org/720552 | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | LOCI 2: The next generation | 16:48 |
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| evrardjp | ok so we've got at least two nominations for TC chair, and we've been historically bad into choosing amongst multiple choices with only gerrit. | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | tc-members ^ | 16:49 |
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| mugsie | evrardjp: last time I ran a civs poll | 16:50 |
| mugsie | I obviously cannot do that again :) | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | I propose that we leave a little bit more time for more possible candidates, and throw a civs poll | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | haha yeah | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | I can run it. Just making sure we have the candidates. | 16:50 |
| mugsie | ++ | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Should probably set a nomination deadline. | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | I was planning to say that | 16:51 |
| mugsie | evrardjp: type faster!! :P | 16:51 |
| evrardjp | but I was also planning to say: | 16:51 |
| evrardjp | tc-members: if you don't intend to run, please tell it, it would be far simpler than waiting for an eventual deadline | 16:51 |
| evrardjp | mugsie: hahaha | 16:51 |
| mugsie | evrardjp: one change from the standard CIVS poll is we set the results to be public - aka we can see who voted for what. not sure if that should apply here or not | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | I think we asked last time | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | IIRC it was anonymous. | 16:54 |
| mugsie | we asked it after I started the poll, because it only occurred to me when setting it up | 16:54 |
| knikolla | i will not run for chair, but i do really miss the chair in my office. | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | knikolla: a chair is pretty important indeed | 16:55 |
| mugsie | knikolla: I was so lucky I used to be a remote worker, and still had a decent chair :) | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | ricolin has an ottoman! | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | with his chair | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | that's like top notch chair | 16:56 |
| evrardjp | :) | 16:56 |
| evrardjp | I have to run for today | 16:57 |
| evrardjp | I will send something on the ML to move this topic forward. | 16:57 |
| evrardjp | I will put a deadline for next week monday in the case we don't have news. | 16:57 |
| evrardjp | we don't have everyone's answer* | 16:58 |
| evrardjp | I will do that all tomorrow, sorry for the inconvenience | 17:00 |
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| njohnston | I am not running for chair | 17:23 |
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