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| frickler | tc-members: do you know if anyone is still looking at https://opendev.org/openstack/training-labs ? seems to be pretty abandoned, maybe mark it as such? | 11:49 |
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| frickler | (someone trying to use it showed up in #openstack) | 11:49 |
| fungi | its outdatedness is also somewhat related to the coa exam being based on outdated openstack releases because turn around time to get the exam refreshed and distributed is on the order of years | 11:52 |
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| gmann | frickler: thanks for brought this up. I will check in openstack upstream institute if that is used somewhere in training or just by foundation for CoE. accordingly we can move it under x/ or foundation namespace | 14:04 |
| fungi | it's currently tracked as a repo for the tw sig, which we know is now defunct, so yes anything we can do to retire or find new homes for repos like that one would be good | 14:09 |
| fungi | the last substantive changes to land in training-labs were in march of 2020, though someone pushed up some reviews for updating it a few weeks ago | 14:12 |
| fungi | https://review.opendev.org/q/owner:fprzewozn | 14:14 |
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| gmann | tc-members: meeting time in ~2 min from now | 14:58 |
| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Oct 14 15:00:20 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| yoctozepto | o/ | 15:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | Absence: Kendall Nelson (diablo_rojo) | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:01 |
| dpawlik | o/ | 15:01 |
| gmann | let's start | 15:02 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 15:02 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 15:02 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:03 |
| gmann | we had one action item | 15:03 |
| gmann | mnaser to check with doc SIG chair and close it and move SIG repo under TC and add tc-members as core | 15:03 |
| gmann | I have added tc-members in the core list of those repo | 15:03 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 15:03 |
| gmann | and other part we will discuss next in separate topic as few more question on training repo part | 15:04 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check (dansmith/yoctozepto) | 15:04 |
| dansmith | no complaints at the moment | 15:04 |
| yoctozepto | same here | 15:04 |
| jungleboyj | Seems to be good. | 15:05 |
| fungi | we've had some recent zuul regressions related to moving its internal state into zookeeper as we work toward the highly available scheduler for v5, but have mostly been able to hide the pain from users | 15:05 |
| fungi | but there have been a few restarts and some "stuck" builds here and there | 15:06 |
| gmann | ok | 15:08 |
| gmann | there is one in stable/train for d-g PyYAML-6.0 | 15:08 |
| gmann | which is fixed by frickler and now approved too | 15:09 |
| fungi | yeah, pyyaml 6 drops support for yaml.load() if you don't specify a loader to use, it previously just warned noisily | 15:09 |
| fungi | also there's been continued pain from suds-jurko not working with setuptools>=58 | 15:09 |
| gmann | yeah, even few more lib | 15:09 |
| gmann | we discussed this in this week qa meeting | 15:10 |
| fungi | right, there's been like half a dozen affected, suds-jurko was just the latest one to crop up as being a problem | 15:10 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/813302 | 15:10 |
| fungi | though it's also been widely discussed that we should be dropping suds-jurko in favor of maintained alternatives | 15:11 |
| gmann | only possible step is to replace with other alternate lib or remove the deps itself | 15:11 |
| gmann | anyjson too | 15:11 |
| gmann | we discussed to trigger or start the discussion from requirement side, by dropping it and notify the failing projects | 15:12 |
| gmann | frickler: was testing how many project/test fails with that. | 15:12 |
| gmann | let's wait for that and discuss on ML first | 15:13 |
| gmann | anything else on Gate checks? | 15:14 |
| gmann | #topic Project Health checks framework | 15:14 |
| gmann | I think we will continue discussing it in PTG on best way to present / use those stats | 15:14 |
| gmann | moving on... | 15:15 |
| gmann | #topic Stable team process change | 15:15 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/810721 | 15:15 |
| gmann | it is updated now, please review the latest PS | 15:16 |
| jungleboyj | ++ Hadn't seen any comments as of yesterday. | 15:16 |
| gmann | it looks good to me | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | \o/ | 15:17 |
| gmann | anything else to discuss on this except review and comment there if any ? | 15:18 |
| gmann | ok, let's move then | 15:19 |
| gmann | #topic Technical Writing (doc) SIG need a chair and more maintainers | 15:19 |
| gmann | as i mentioned in starting, I added tc-members in the repos under this SIG | 15:20 |
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| gmann | and frickler brought the non-maintained state of openstack/training-labs which is a repo under this SIG | 15:20 |
| gmann | in last meeting, we discussed that we can move all the repo of this SIG to TC | 15:20 |
| gmann | but by seeing those i details, I feel like trainings repo make sense to move under FC SIG instead of TC | 15:21 |
| yoctozepto | agreed | 15:21 |
| gmann | openstack/training-labs openstack/training-guides openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment | 15:21 |
| gmann | ^^ especially these three | 15:21 |
| gmann | or to other place where it suite more like under foundation or so | 15:22 |
| fungi | does the fc sig handle certified openstack operator testing? | 15:22 |
| fungi | that's what training-labs is "training" people for | 15:22 |
| gmann | fungi: no. | 15:22 |
| gmann | FC make use of openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment and openstack/training-guides at least | 15:22 |
| gmann | for the upstream training site and virtual image for hands-on in training | 15:23 |
| fungi | yeah, the repos related to upstream institute would potentially make sense under the fc sig | 15:23 |
| fungi | but presumably not the training-labs repo | 15:23 |
| gmann | i quickly discussed about it with ildikov too and she is not aware of openstack/training-labs usage | 15:23 |
| gmann | yeah, openstack/training-labs seems not in use seems | 15:24 |
| gmann | let's discuss this in next week in PTG when kendal and ildikov will be there who handle the training parts at least upstream one | 15:24 |
| fungi | well, it's not being maintained/reviewed. people do still seem to use it to train for the certification, as evidenced by someone pushing updates for it a few weeks ago | 15:24 |
| gmann | I will add it in PTG etherpad | 15:24 |
| fungi | but i agree, the coa is primarily driven by the foundation, so it would make sense for them to decide what should be done with the training-labs repo and find new volunteers to take it over, or retire it | 15:25 |
| gmann | 'people do still seem to use it to train for the certification,' you mean corporate trainings? or from foundation side | 15:25 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:26 |
| fungi | gmann: that's just it, it's hard to know who's using it and for what, since they don't have to tell us | 15:26 |
| gmann | fungi: i see. | 15:27 |
| gmann | i have added this in PTG etherpad to discuss next week | 15:27 |
| gmann | anything else on this? | 15:28 |
| gmann | #topic Place to maintain the external hosted ELK, E-R, O-H services | 15:28 |
| gmann | I tried to summarize it in ML #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-October/025251.html | 15:29 |
| gmann | with same section heading | 15:29 |
| spotz_ | Hey all here late and no scroll back | 15:30 |
| gmann | I think we are all set here and wendar will be working on setting up the AWS accounts or so. | 15:30 |
| gmann | spotz_: hi | 15:30 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: ++ | 15:30 |
| gmann | fungi: I think you have read the summary. as discussed in last to last week meeting also, we will start this work in TacT SIG and dpawlik wendar and Ross Tomlinson will be helping on the migration/maintenance part | 15:31 |
| dansmith | I'm super happy we seem to have a path here | 15:32 |
| gmann | and now onwards discussion can be in openstack-infra channel unless anything from TC side is required | 15:32 |
| dansmith | because I really thought this was going to end in tears | 15:32 |
| gmann | dansmith: yeah | 15:32 |
| jungleboyj | dansmith: Indeed. | 15:33 |
| gmann | this is super help for us. | 15:33 |
| fungi | yeah, the tact sig is mainly just an umbrella the new effort can stand under, it's not really going to involve the current tact sig members in the building and running of it | 15:33 |
| fungi | nor the opendev sysadmins | 15:33 |
| gmann | fungi: agree. | 15:34 |
| fungi | eigenstate is sponsoring a contract developer to do the ingestion pieces, and dpawlik is leading the way on the log scraping part | 15:34 |
| gmann | along with wendar , huge thanks to dpawlik also for volunteering to help here. | 15:34 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:35 |
| gmann | I will remove this topic from our next meeting agenda | 15:35 |
| gmann | anything else on this topic? | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 15:36 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:36 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:36 |
| dpawlik | fungi: allright. Some part for the log scraping script has been done. It is already configured for RDO so hope it will fit of all of the expectations | 15:36 |
| gmann | two reviews need more vote #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/810721 | 15:38 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/813112 | 15:38 |
| gmann | dpawlik: +1, thanks again | 15:38 |
| gmann | please review the stable team part which I am hoping we can merge before/during PTG week | 15:39 |
| gmann | one last thing from me | 15:39 |
| gmann | we will cancel the next week TC meeting as we are anyways meeting in PTG | 15:39 |
| yoctozepto | sensible | 15:39 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 15:39 |
| gmann | I will arrange the PTG topic tomorrow and schedule(what topic to discuss what time ) part we can discuss on our first 30 min on Thursday | 15:40 |
| gmann | and do not forget to join TC + community leaders sessions on Monday | 15:41 |
| gmann | Monday, Oct 18 15 UTC - 17 UTC (TC+ Community Leaders Interaction) | 15:41 |
| gmann | that's all from me today, anything else to disucss? | 15:41 |
| fungi | i'm saddened i'll have to miss half of it because of overlap with the security sig session | 15:41 |
| fungi | but there's only so many hours in the week | 15:41 |
| gmann | fungi: oh, no worry, please join in 2nd half of it. | 15:42 |
| * yoctozepto knows the drill | 15:42 | |
| gmann | it is 2 hrs sessions | 15:42 |
| yoctozepto | I have an overlap with kolla but I'm trying to get agenda to suit me ;d | 15:42 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: ah, same time seems. | 15:43 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, it's kolla's traditional timeslot | 15:43 |
| yoctozepto | along with the two others | 15:43 |
| yoctozepto | thankfully not too many overlaps | 15:43 |
| gmann | yeah, hard to avoid it 100% | 15:44 |
| gmann | ok, if nothing else, let's end the today meeting. ~15 min early | 15:44 |
| yoctozepto | thanks gmann | 15:44 |
| gmann | thanks all for joining | 15:44 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Oct 14 15:44:39 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-10-14-15.00.html | 15:44 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-10-14-15.00.txt | 15:44 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-10-14-15.00.log.html | 15:44 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 15:44 |
| opendevreview | hanxiang gao proposed openstack/governance master: Add Skyline as an official project https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/814037 | 16:32 |
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