Tuesday, 2023-05-23

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opendevreviewMerged openstack/governance master: Appoint Hasan Acar as Monasca PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/88237412:58
frickleroh, great, a volunteer to clean up monasca zuul config errors *scnr*13:13
knikollatc-members: reminder weekly meeting in 19 minutes17:41
knikolla#startmeeting tc18:00
opendevmeetMeeting started Tue May 23 18:00:17 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is knikolla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
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knikolla#topic Roll Call18:00
knikollao/18:00
dansmitho/18:00
knikollaHi all, welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee18:00
knikollaA reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct 18:00
knikollaToday's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee18:00
jamespageo/18:01
gmanno/18:01
noonedeadpunko/18:01
knikollaThanks JayF for covering for me last week. Just got back from PTO today and don't have any upcoming expected absences for the rest of the cycle. 18:01
JayFo/18:01
spotz_o/18:01
slaweqo/18:01
knikolla#topic Follow up on past action items18:02
knikollaI don't see any action items logged from the previous meeting18:03
knikollaIs that correct? 18:03
jamespageI think so - it was quite a quick one18:03
gmannyeah, no action item #link https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-05-16-18.00.html18:03
knikollaThanks jamespage, Hopefully this one can be a quick one as well :)18:04
knikolla#topic Broken docs due to inconsistent release naming18:04
knikolla#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/88129018:04
knikollaThis merged, thanks fungi for working on it while I was gone.18:04
gmannone thing still to fix, release notes page is linked to #link https://releases.openstack.org/2023.1/index.html18:05
noonedeadpunkI checked some common problem things and things looked very good to me18:05
gmannmaybe we need to redirect https://releases.openstack.org/antelope/index.html to ^^18:05
noonedeadpunkyes, except that18:05
knikollaGood catch gmann, I can pick that up later today. 18:05
knikollaThanks noonedeadpunk for doing some testing. 18:05
gmannthanks, rest all are correct18:06
knikolla#topic Gate health check18:06
knikollaEveryone's favorite topic :) any updates?18:06
slaweqI didn't saw any new issues last week18:07
dansmiththings seem to be going pretty decent lately. hoping the cirros bump helps with guest kernel crashes and doesn't introduce other troubles18:07
knikolla\o/18:07
gmannyeah, it was fine18:07
gmanntested cirros new image in nova, neutron etc and did not notice any issue but let's ss18:08
knikolla#topic Python 3.8 support and testing18:08
gmannsee18:08
dansmithgmann: yep18:08
gmannhorizon change for that is also up18:08
gmann#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/88395318:08
gmannthere are some failure but horizon PTL is on top of it18:08
knikollaawesome, thanks gmann18:09
dansmithcool, I will be looking for guest crashes in the logs in open search the rest of the week to see if we notice a drop18:09
gmann++, thanks. 18:09
dansmithone other thing of note I guess18:09
dansmithis the mysql memory savings merged as a default now18:10
knikolla#topic Gate health check18:10
gmannI think yes18:10
dansmithso people may notice some impact there (hopefully not) but be on the lookout18:10
gmann#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/88386318:10
dansmiththere was also a thing in -cinder recently where they saw an OOM with a c-bak job (which is known to be heavy)18:10
knikollaI prematurely switched the topic in a moment of silence, apologies. 18:10
dansmithso clearly didn't make a huge difference in memory usage for them I guess18:11
fungion friday, ihar mentioned an oom killing the database process on a devstack job for stable/yoga18:12
gmannI think c-bak job can reduce enabling the things (services etc) and test only backup test ? 18:12
dansmithfungi: right, that's what caused us to push the default, but it won't affect stable/ unless someone backports it or a targeted change for that job18:12
dansmithgmann: agree18:12
funginoted18:13
fungiso if anyone else points it out in stable jobs, it's fixed in master for now18:13
dansmithyeah, and actually,18:13
dansmithbackporting even the job flag to yoga would require backporting the actual devstack support for it18:13
gmannand it can be enabled per job on stable/18:13
gmannyeah18:14
dansmithunless that happened and I didn't realize it18:14
dansmith(nope)18:14
gmannyou added in 2023.1 or zed?18:14
gmannor yoga?18:14
dansmithit got backported to zed but not yoga18:14
gmannk18:15
dansmithhttps://github.com/openstack/devstack/blob/stable/zed/lib/databases/mysql#L16618:15
fungithanks, so seeing it happen on stable/yoga jobs shouldn't be surprising for now18:15
dansmithnope18:15
dansmithand it was on the job for which we added the flag in the first place because it's so heavy.. i.e. nova-ceph-multistore18:15
dansmithso very unsurprsing18:15
slaweqdo we want to backport it to yoga (and maybe older branches) then?18:15
gmannat least yoga can be good seeing xena going to EM soon18:16
dansmithwe can if we need to.. yoga is going out of support right so it's kinda meh for job maintenance IMHO18:16
dansmithI thought it was yoga not xena that was transitioning no?18:16
slaweqbut if backport is easy and can help saving infra resources (less rechecks) then IMO we should do it18:16
gmannit is Xena in progress #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/88125418:17
dansmithah no I see, okay18:17
dansmithslaweq: fine, fine, I'll do it :D18:17
gmannyoga going to EM might have time of a release or so18:17
knikollaYoga is going in EM in November. 18:17
gmannyeah18:17
slaweqdansmith thx a lot 18:17
noonedeadpunkI think I'm blocking xena-em right now18:18
noonedeadpunkbut had to focus on merging things in time for trailing release of 2023.118:19
gmannk18:19
knikollaSo we should backport the memory fix to Yoga given that it still has ~4 months to go. 18:20
dansmithyeah I'm doing18:20
dansmithso action-item me so I look useful18:20
knikollaerrr, 5. bad math. 18:20
noonedeadpunkfwiw, in OSA we spot 0 difference in ram consumption after applying the same settings18:21
knikolla#action dansmith backport memory reduction patch for devstack to yoga and look useful doing it. 18:21
fungiwe don't count august, i'm petitioning to have it removed from the calendar18:21
knikollafungi: i'm with you on that. 18:22
fungiyears should be a prime number of months long (just like weeks are a prime number of days)18:22
fungiand august seemed disposable18:22
JayFfungi: Just drop all the Caesar-based months and lets get a nice even 10 ;) 18:22
knikollaJayF: lol, a new metric system for months18:24
knikollaanything else on gate? 18:24
dansmithnot from me18:24
gmannnothing from me18:24
knikollagreat! 18:24
knikolla#topic Python 3.8 support and testing18:24
knikollaThere are two changes in flight18:25
knikolla#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882165?usp=search18:25
knikolla#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882154?usp=search18:25
knikollaanything that would be useful to discuss in high-bandwidth?18:25
gmannAs tooz py3.8 drop is reverted, I proposed release for tooz so that we can remove the constraints hack #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/88395518:26
knikollaah, cool.18:26
knikollathanks gmann. 18:26
noonedeadpunkI failed to check patches previous week18:26
noonedeadpunkThey're really high in the to-do list though18:27
knikollaThat's alright. Feedback seems minor so should move pretty quickly once you get around to them.18:27
knikollaThanks for putting in the time. 18:27
knikollaAnything else on the topic?18:27
knikolla#topic Recurring tasks check - Bare 'recheck' state18:28
slaweqrecheck stats are updated today18:29
slaweqall seems to be fine18:29
dansmithqa people today noted they had zero bare rechecks in the last week :)18:29
gmann\o/18:29
slaweqI want to modify my script to get some sort of summary about recheck reasons now and start checking those18:29
knikollaNice!18:29
JayFHeh. I should maybe stop wording mine as pleas to Zuul then ;) 18:30
knikollaThat seems really useful, thanks slaweq.18:30
knikollaIt seems that we can remove this recurring check from the regular meeting agenda until such work has been done?18:30
slaweqJayF yeah, proably :D18:30
slaweqknikolla I agree18:31
spotz_hehe18:31
slaweqif there will be anything worth to discuss, I will bring it up here18:31
slaweqbut we don't need to have it weekly in the agenda probably18:31
knikolla#success No need to have a recurring item to check the statistics for "bare rechecks"18:31
opendevstatusknikolla: Added success to Success page (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Successes)18:31
knikolla#topic Open Reviews18:32
knikolla#link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open18:32
knikolla(open reviews and open discussion if anything has any items they want to bring up)18:32
jamespageif anyone wanted to ask me any more questions around the proposal of sunbeam as a new project happy to answer here18:33
jamespagethe name has now been through legal review and got an OK18:33
knikollaThanks jamespage. I am about to press +W on the proposal. 18:34
spotz_What's the difference between this and charms?18:35
dansmithI think it's covered in the proposal right?18:35
jamespageyeah quite a bit of detail in the commit message about why we want to split the two apart18:35
knikolla++18:36
gmannyeah 18:36
JayFspotz_: that's been asked about 4 different ways in the gerrit review. The projects are extremely close, but I didn't find that a good enough reason to -1 when the existing charms PTL agrees it should be split.18:36
jamespageI think that's the most verbose commit message I've ever written :)18:36
spotz_Yeah I saw that, just reminds me of all the ansible related stuff we had going for a while18:36
knikollaFor verbose commit messages I'm about to write an essay in one that you're all probably going to have to suffer through. 18:37
jamespagelol18:37
gmannjamespage: ++, nice detail there18:37
jamespagethx18:38
knikollaI pushed it through, thanks jamespage.18:39
jamespagethankyou knikolla and thanks for the reviews all!18:39
knikollaAlso of note, for those attending vancouver, we have a TC + Community Leaders interaction, which I'm tracking topics proposed for at 18:40
knikolla#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-leaders-interaction-2023-vancouver18:40
knikollaI'll send out an email later today18:40
knikollaIt's only a bit over an hour, so will have to keep it short. 18:40
knikollaAnd with that, unless there's something else, I can give you all back 20 minutes. 18:41
spotz_Thanks all18:41
slaweq\o/18:41
slaweqthx all18:41
knikolla#endmeeting18:42
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fungirwminder, there's another board/openstack community call tentatively scheduled for 18:00 utc on wednesday august 9, i attached a placeholder ical file to the message i sent to the ml about it18:49
fungis/rwminder/reminder/18:49
fungialso see the announcement i sent to the ml about changes to how the foundation staff are going to be organizing project updates going forward18:50
dansmithfunny I thought we were taking august off the calendar18:51
clarkbI'm ok with that particular if it is going to be smokey18:52
dansmithI'm pretty much fine with not having any more birthdays, so...18:52
fungijust because i've petitioned to get rid of august doesn't mean it will happen. but if it does, that's one more conference call we get to skip18:53
opendevreviewMerged openstack/governance master: Propose Sunbeam as a new OpenStack project  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/88138419:05
rosmaitaknikolla: sorry i missed the TC meeting, i'm still not used to the tuesday afternoon meeting slot19:34
dansmithfunny how people miss lots of meetings when the weather starts getting nice, huh rosmaita  :P19:37
rosmaitajust a coincidence19:37
dansmithsure, sure :)19:38
rosmaita:D19:38

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