| knikolla | o/ | 12:49 |
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| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Appoint Hasan Acar as Monasca PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882374 | 12:58 |
| frickler | oh, great, a volunteer to clean up monasca zuul config errors *scnr* | 13:13 |
| knikolla | tc-members: reminder weekly meeting in 19 minutes | 17:41 |
| knikolla | #startmeeting tc | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue May 23 18:00:17 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is knikolla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 18:00 |
| knikolla | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | Hi all, welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee | 18:00 |
| knikolla | A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct | 18:00 |
| knikolla | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 18:00 |
| jamespage | o/ | 18:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 18:01 |
| noonedeadpunk | o/ | 18:01 |
| knikolla | Thanks JayF for covering for me last week. Just got back from PTO today and don't have any upcoming expected absences for the rest of the cycle. | 18:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 18:01 |
| spotz_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| slaweq | o/ | 18:01 |
| knikolla | #topic Follow up on past action items | 18:02 |
| knikolla | I don't see any action items logged from the previous meeting | 18:03 |
| knikolla | Is that correct? | 18:03 |
| jamespage | I think so - it was quite a quick one | 18:03 |
| gmann | yeah, no action item #link https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-05-16-18.00.html | 18:03 |
| knikolla | Thanks jamespage, Hopefully this one can be a quick one as well :) | 18:04 |
| knikolla | #topic Broken docs due to inconsistent release naming | 18:04 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/881290 | 18:04 |
| knikolla | This merged, thanks fungi for working on it while I was gone. | 18:04 |
| gmann | one thing still to fix, release notes page is linked to #link https://releases.openstack.org/2023.1/index.html | 18:05 |
| noonedeadpunk | I checked some common problem things and things looked very good to me | 18:05 |
| gmann | maybe we need to redirect https://releases.openstack.org/antelope/index.html to ^^ | 18:05 |
| noonedeadpunk | yes, except that | 18:05 |
| knikolla | Good catch gmann, I can pick that up later today. | 18:05 |
| knikolla | Thanks noonedeadpunk for doing some testing. | 18:05 |
| gmann | thanks, rest all are correct | 18:06 |
| knikolla | #topic Gate health check | 18:06 |
| knikolla | Everyone's favorite topic :) any updates? | 18:06 |
| slaweq | I didn't saw any new issues last week | 18:07 |
| dansmith | things seem to be going pretty decent lately. hoping the cirros bump helps with guest kernel crashes and doesn't introduce other troubles | 18:07 |
| knikolla | \o/ | 18:07 |
| gmann | yeah, it was fine | 18:07 |
| gmann | tested cirros new image in nova, neutron etc and did not notice any issue but let's ss | 18:08 |
| knikolla | #topic Python 3.8 support and testing | 18:08 |
| gmann | see | 18:08 |
| dansmith | gmann: yep | 18:08 |
| gmann | horizon change for that is also up | 18:08 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/883953 | 18:08 |
| gmann | there are some failure but horizon PTL is on top of it | 18:08 |
| knikolla | awesome, thanks gmann | 18:09 |
| dansmith | cool, I will be looking for guest crashes in the logs in open search the rest of the week to see if we notice a drop | 18:09 |
| gmann | ++, thanks. | 18:09 |
| dansmith | one other thing of note I guess | 18:09 |
| dansmith | is the mysql memory savings merged as a default now | 18:10 |
| knikolla | #topic Gate health check | 18:10 |
| gmann | I think yes | 18:10 |
| dansmith | so people may notice some impact there (hopefully not) but be on the lookout | 18:10 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/883863 | 18:10 |
| dansmith | there was also a thing in -cinder recently where they saw an OOM with a c-bak job (which is known to be heavy) | 18:10 |
| knikolla | I prematurely switched the topic in a moment of silence, apologies. | 18:10 |
| dansmith | so clearly didn't make a huge difference in memory usage for them I guess | 18:11 |
| fungi | on friday, ihar mentioned an oom killing the database process on a devstack job for stable/yoga | 18:12 |
| gmann | I think c-bak job can reduce enabling the things (services etc) and test only backup test ? | 18:12 |
| dansmith | fungi: right, that's what caused us to push the default, but it won't affect stable/ unless someone backports it or a targeted change for that job | 18:12 |
| dansmith | gmann: agree | 18:12 |
| fungi | noted | 18:13 |
| fungi | so if anyone else points it out in stable jobs, it's fixed in master for now | 18:13 |
| dansmith | yeah, and actually, | 18:13 |
| dansmith | backporting even the job flag to yoga would require backporting the actual devstack support for it | 18:13 |
| gmann | and it can be enabled per job on stable/ | 18:13 |
| gmann | yeah | 18:14 |
| dansmith | unless that happened and I didn't realize it | 18:14 |
| dansmith | (nope) | 18:14 |
| gmann | you added in 2023.1 or zed? | 18:14 |
| gmann | or yoga? | 18:14 |
| dansmith | it got backported to zed but not yoga | 18:14 |
| gmann | k | 18:15 |
| dansmith | https://github.com/openstack/devstack/blob/stable/zed/lib/databases/mysql#L166 | 18:15 |
| fungi | thanks, so seeing it happen on stable/yoga jobs shouldn't be surprising for now | 18:15 |
| dansmith | nope | 18:15 |
| dansmith | and it was on the job for which we added the flag in the first place because it's so heavy.. i.e. nova-ceph-multistore | 18:15 |
| dansmith | so very unsurprsing | 18:15 |
| slaweq | do we want to backport it to yoga (and maybe older branches) then? | 18:15 |
| gmann | at least yoga can be good seeing xena going to EM soon | 18:16 |
| dansmith | we can if we need to.. yoga is going out of support right so it's kinda meh for job maintenance IMHO | 18:16 |
| dansmith | I thought it was yoga not xena that was transitioning no? | 18:16 |
| slaweq | but if backport is easy and can help saving infra resources (less rechecks) then IMO we should do it | 18:16 |
| gmann | it is Xena in progress #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/881254 | 18:17 |
| dansmith | ah no I see, okay | 18:17 |
| dansmith | slaweq: fine, fine, I'll do it :D | 18:17 |
| gmann | yoga going to EM might have time of a release or so | 18:17 |
| knikolla | Yoga is going in EM in November. | 18:17 |
| gmann | yeah | 18:17 |
| slaweq | dansmith thx a lot | 18:17 |
| noonedeadpunk | I think I'm blocking xena-em right now | 18:18 |
| noonedeadpunk | but had to focus on merging things in time for trailing release of 2023.1 | 18:19 |
| gmann | k | 18:19 |
| knikolla | So we should backport the memory fix to Yoga given that it still has ~4 months to go. | 18:20 |
| dansmith | yeah I'm doing | 18:20 |
| dansmith | so action-item me so I look useful | 18:20 |
| knikolla | errr, 5. bad math. | 18:20 |
| noonedeadpunk | fwiw, in OSA we spot 0 difference in ram consumption after applying the same settings | 18:21 |
| knikolla | #action dansmith backport memory reduction patch for devstack to yoga and look useful doing it. | 18:21 |
| fungi | we don't count august, i'm petitioning to have it removed from the calendar | 18:21 |
| knikolla | fungi: i'm with you on that. | 18:22 |
| fungi | years should be a prime number of months long (just like weeks are a prime number of days) | 18:22 |
| fungi | and august seemed disposable | 18:22 |
| JayF | fungi: Just drop all the Caesar-based months and lets get a nice even 10 ;) | 18:22 |
| knikolla | JayF: lol, a new metric system for months | 18:24 |
| knikolla | anything else on gate? | 18:24 |
| dansmith | not from me | 18:24 |
| gmann | nothing from me | 18:24 |
| knikolla | great! | 18:24 |
| knikolla | #topic Python 3.8 support and testing | 18:24 |
| knikolla | There are two changes in flight | 18:25 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882165?usp=search | 18:25 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882154?usp=search | 18:25 |
| knikolla | anything that would be useful to discuss in high-bandwidth? | 18:25 |
| gmann | As tooz py3.8 drop is reverted, I proposed release for tooz so that we can remove the constraints hack #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/883955 | 18:26 |
| knikolla | ah, cool. | 18:26 |
| knikolla | thanks gmann. | 18:26 |
| noonedeadpunk | I failed to check patches previous week | 18:26 |
| noonedeadpunk | They're really high in the to-do list though | 18:27 |
| knikolla | That's alright. Feedback seems minor so should move pretty quickly once you get around to them. | 18:27 |
| knikolla | Thanks for putting in the time. | 18:27 |
| knikolla | Anything else on the topic? | 18:27 |
| knikolla | #topic Recurring tasks check - Bare 'recheck' state | 18:28 |
| slaweq | recheck stats are updated today | 18:29 |
| slaweq | all seems to be fine | 18:29 |
| dansmith | qa people today noted they had zero bare rechecks in the last week :) | 18:29 |
| gmann | \o/ | 18:29 |
| slaweq | I want to modify my script to get some sort of summary about recheck reasons now and start checking those | 18:29 |
| knikolla | Nice! | 18:29 |
| JayF | Heh. I should maybe stop wording mine as pleas to Zuul then ;) | 18:30 |
| knikolla | That seems really useful, thanks slaweq. | 18:30 |
| knikolla | It seems that we can remove this recurring check from the regular meeting agenda until such work has been done? | 18:30 |
| slaweq | JayF yeah, proably :D | 18:30 |
| slaweq | knikolla I agree | 18:31 |
| spotz_ | hehe | 18:31 |
| slaweq | if there will be anything worth to discuss, I will bring it up here | 18:31 |
| slaweq | but we don't need to have it weekly in the agenda probably | 18:31 |
| knikolla | #success No need to have a recurring item to check the statistics for "bare rechecks" | 18:31 |
| opendevstatus | knikolla: Added success to Success page (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Successes) | 18:31 |
| knikolla | #topic Open Reviews | 18:32 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 18:32 |
| knikolla | (open reviews and open discussion if anything has any items they want to bring up) | 18:32 |
| jamespage | if anyone wanted to ask me any more questions around the proposal of sunbeam as a new project happy to answer here | 18:33 |
| jamespage | the name has now been through legal review and got an OK | 18:33 |
| knikolla | Thanks jamespage. I am about to press +W on the proposal. | 18:34 |
| spotz_ | What's the difference between this and charms? | 18:35 |
| dansmith | I think it's covered in the proposal right? | 18:35 |
| jamespage | yeah quite a bit of detail in the commit message about why we want to split the two apart | 18:35 |
| knikolla | ++ | 18:36 |
| gmann | yeah | 18:36 |
| JayF | spotz_: that's been asked about 4 different ways in the gerrit review. The projects are extremely close, but I didn't find that a good enough reason to -1 when the existing charms PTL agrees it should be split. | 18:36 |
| jamespage | I think that's the most verbose commit message I've ever written :) | 18:36 |
| spotz_ | Yeah I saw that, just reminds me of all the ansible related stuff we had going for a while | 18:36 |
| knikolla | For verbose commit messages I'm about to write an essay in one that you're all probably going to have to suffer through. | 18:37 |
| jamespage | lol | 18:37 |
| gmann | jamespage: ++, nice detail there | 18:37 |
| jamespage | thx | 18:38 |
| knikolla | I pushed it through, thanks jamespage. | 18:39 |
| jamespage | thankyou knikolla and thanks for the reviews all! | 18:39 |
| knikolla | Also of note, for those attending vancouver, we have a TC + Community Leaders interaction, which I'm tracking topics proposed for at | 18:40 |
| knikolla | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-leaders-interaction-2023-vancouver | 18:40 |
| knikolla | I'll send out an email later today | 18:40 |
| knikolla | It's only a bit over an hour, so will have to keep it short. | 18:40 |
| knikolla | And with that, unless there's something else, I can give you all back 20 minutes. | 18:41 |
| spotz_ | Thanks all | 18:41 |
| slaweq | \o/ | 18:41 |
| slaweq | thx all | 18:41 |
| knikolla | #endmeeting | 18:42 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue May 23 18:42:48 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:42 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-05-23-18.00.html | 18:42 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-05-23-18.00.txt | 18:42 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-05-23-18.00.log.html | 18:42 |
| fungi | rwminder, there's another board/openstack community call tentatively scheduled for 18:00 utc on wednesday august 9, i attached a placeholder ical file to the message i sent to the ml about it | 18:49 |
| fungi | s/rwminder/reminder/ | 18:49 |
| fungi | also see the announcement i sent to the ml about changes to how the foundation staff are going to be organizing project updates going forward | 18:50 |
| dansmith | funny I thought we were taking august off the calendar | 18:51 |
| clarkb | I'm ok with that particular if it is going to be smokey | 18:52 |
| dansmith | I'm pretty much fine with not having any more birthdays, so... | 18:52 |
| fungi | just because i've petitioned to get rid of august doesn't mean it will happen. but if it does, that's one more conference call we get to skip | 18:53 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Propose Sunbeam as a new OpenStack project https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/881384 | 19:05 |
| rosmaita | knikolla: sorry i missed the TC meeting, i'm still not used to the tuesday afternoon meeting slot | 19:34 |
| dansmith | funny how people miss lots of meetings when the weather starts getting nice, huh rosmaita :P | 19:37 |
| rosmaita | just a coincidence | 19:37 |
| dansmith | sure, sure :) | 19:38 |
| rosmaita | :D | 19:38 |
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