| JayF | tc-members: can I get at least one ack on this before I pop it out to the mailing list? https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-ptg-summary-2024.1 | 00:04 |
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| opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Retire js-openstack-lib https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/898858 | 02:09 |
| gmann | JayF: looks good to me, thanks for summarizing | 02:16 |
| gmann | JayF: added releasenotes doc issue (i mentioned in PTG) in the tracker. same issue exist for bobcat also | 02:23 |
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| fungi | JayF: this should probably find its way into the chair hand-over checklist: ttps://opendev.org/opendev/irc-meetings/src/branch/master/meetings/technical-committee-meeting.yaml#L10 | 17:23 |
| fungi | sorry, mispaste. https://opendev.org/opendev/irc-meetings/src/branch/master/meetings/technical-committee-meeting.yaml#L10 | 17:23 |
| fungi | looks like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee contains a redundant copy of the chair info, and did get updated | 17:24 |
| gmann | I think wiki is the frequently looked page for TC meeting and info but agree that we should update in both places | 17:25 |
| fungi | well, the yaml file content is what gets published to https://meetings.opendev.org/#Technical_Committee_Meeting | 17:26 |
| fungi | which is the site i usually use when referring people to basic meeting info | 17:26 |
| gmann | but for TC meeting it is little different as location of meeting is not permanent so we need to keep the updated info in wiki | 17:28 |
| gmann | having chair info there is quick to know but we can remove that is that is causing issue | 17:28 |
| gmann | and agenda too | 17:28 |
| fungi | optionally, the chair entry could just say something like "refer to wiki" or maybe to https://governance.openstack.org/tc/#current-members | 17:28 |
| JayF | Does wiki have a way to make new accounts now? | 17:37 |
| fungi | JayF: same way as always. log in from launchpad | 17:55 |
| fungi | the login button takes you to the ubuntuone sso | 17:56 |
| fungi | like logging into gerrit, the first time you log in it makes an account for you | 17:56 |
| JayF | oh, interesting. I was told that wasn't the case | 17:58 |
| JayF | in that case; lets wiki it up! :D | 17:58 |
| JayF | If someone wants to propose something along the lines of what was suggested about referring to the current members doc, that'd be great, or I can get around to it eventually | 17:59 |
| JayF | but I've committed to only remove things from my todo list today :D | 17:59 |
| fungi | some users have hit an error when trying to log in for the first time, and we've been unable to pin down whether it's a bug in the version of the mediawiki openid plugin we're using or bad data coming from ubuntuone's openid provider | 17:59 |
| fungi | JayF: are you saying you want someone to propose a change to https://opendev.org/opendev/irc-meetings/src/branch/master/meetings/technical-committee-meeting.yaml#L10 to update the chair's name, or update a checklist of chair hand-over reminders somewhere? | 18:01 |
| JayF | The former is what I was referring to | 18:01 |
| JayF | the existing "chair responsibilities/handover" document is already large and daunting | 18:02 |
| fungi | JayF: https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/irc-meetings/+/900444 | 18:06 |
| JayF | +1; I may propose a further change later to redirect it over to the authoritative document | 18:08 |
| fungi | as long as wikis aren't going to be authoritative documents. that server is wholly unmaintained and could in theory go away at any point without warning and without any ability for us to recover it | 18:09 |
| fungi | we've been saying that for 6-7 years already and still nobody has volunteered to work on maintaining it | 18:09 |
| fungi | so it basically sits there ignored while people keep their fingers crossed that nothing ever happens to it | 18:10 |
| fungi | we cerated the meetings site as a means of getting some of that information off the wiki eventually | 18:10 |
| fungi | ryan lane was maintaining the server by hand after he migrated the content off the older moinmoin wiki, but never set up configuration management for it and there were no volunteers to take over after he left the community | 18:12 |
| fungi | JayF: maybe you were remembering hearing people say that everyone should move important information off the wiki, not that nobody can create accounts on it | 18:14 |
| JayF | fungi: was about to ask is it at least documented | 18:15 |
| JayF | fungi: then lol'd to myself at the knowledge of the answer | 18:15 |
| JayF | fungi: what wiki tech is it, and you all run stuff with ansible+docker, yeah? | 18:15 |
| fungi | i think we all eventually got tired of reminding people to move off the wiki | 18:15 |
| JayF | no no no, I can't add stuff to my list today, even though this is super tempting | 18:15 |
| * JayF goes back to removing stuff from his list, but if you leave the info here you might nerd-snipe personal-time Jay | 18:16 | |
| fungi | JayF: it's mediawiki. the main challenges are going to be migrating the content and configuration from a many-years-out-of-date mw version | 18:16 |
| fungi | and also just the fact that mediawiki is a giant pile of php | 18:17 |
| frickler | also no docker, no ansible, not even puppet Ithi | 18:21 |
| frickler | *I think. and very EOL OS | 18:21 |
| JayF | eh, I don't judge giant piles of php | 18:21 |
| JayF | I do judge all the other bits ;) | 18:21 |
| JayF | but my hope would be the hard is all in the migration, maybe can find something that's already handled the hard bits for the other parts | 18:22 |
| fungi | right. there are probably ansible roles and/or container images suitable for deploying modern mediawiki, which is why i say migrating the data and configs is likely to be the most challenging part | 18:22 |
| JayF | IDK, this would be a nice change of pace for me, if I can get a free few hours in the next week or seven we'll see :D | 18:22 |
| fungi | especially with all the plugins installed in the current wiki | 18:22 |
| JayF | oh. plugins. plugins are going to be the pain. | 18:27 |
| fungi | yeah, even the openid auth is via a plugin | 18:36 |
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